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What′s Up With My Doctor?

What's Up With My Doctor?

Edition: 2016-12-25

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several days on or about 2016-12-03
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discussion thread is still open at WFF.

If you have found a results-oriented rogue doctor, cherish them. But that's probably not why you found your way to this article.

Common FAQs:

Why is my doctor hostile about my diet?
Why doesn't my doctor ever ask about my diet?
Why can't I get a real lipoprotein or thyroid test from my doctor?

If you find yourself asking for fT3, fT4, rT3 and TA, or perhaps an NMR or Lp(a) test, and get a non-supportive response, there are two separate issues here:
1. yes, those tests were not proactively suggested for you, and
2. you may be the first client to ever ask that doctor for them.
This is the modern medical milieu in a sobering snapshot.

We are in a tragic situation that shows some promise of turning around, but in the meantime, consumers of healthcare need to be aware of the wider context so as to be able to identify, seek and interpret effective advice and treatment.

Consensus medicine is the product of Western Civilization, which many are now beginning to realize has been in an unhealthy metabolism (full-time grain-laden glycemic) for all of recorded history and then some. To the extent that consensus medicine is even aware of low carb (much less ketogenic metabolism), it considers it an uninteresting fringe topic, a place where people like diabetics and epileptics used to live only because they had no access to insulin and anti-convulsive meds. And, to seal the deal, low-carb cultures, unlike even osteopaths and chiropractors, have no med schools that might represent a formal dissenting view.

In 12 years of pre-med, med and residency, your MD got less than 20 classroom hours on the role of diet in health, and all of that small smattering was based on science confounded by the culture's full-time glycemic diet. The role of nutrition in health is not even a topic in med school Boards.

Yes, knowledge of nutrition is not even required to become an MD.

Dr. Robert Lustig reports that 81% of U.S. med schools don't even teach nutrition. The situation in Europe is only slightly less depressing. Only 31% of schools there don't teach it, but med students still get a mere 24 hours, and the content may be presumed to be predominantly consensus nutrition mythology.

Med School Lesson 1: diet doesn't matter.

How could 80% of my caseload (almost all the non-infectious chronic stuff) have a root cause in something that was a med school footnote?

It's really unsurprising that consensus medicine ignores diet. In addition to the dismissive attention paid to it by med schools, what is being taught is incorrect, so the consensus diet advice students are instructed to deliver is in fact negatively correlated with health.

Med School Lesson 2: so don't bother to read papers on nutrition

…and they don't, especially nutritionists “…they are handed a set of stone tablets on graduation from which they are told to never ever deviate.” The original Wheat Belly (WB) book has 295 footnotes. Wheat Belly Total Health has 466, mostly cites from the medical lit, and your MD is exceedingly unlikely to have read any of them, even though they are dead-on regarding wheat, carbs and diet generally.

It doesn't help that too many nutrition papers (not those cited in WB) are little better than intellectual junk food - hopelessly confounded, almost never isolating for low-carb/grain-free/healthy-fat, completely oblivious to gut biome and circadian issues, using placebos or controls that are anything but, and heavily influenced by their funding sources. Most food-fright-of-the-week headlines turn out to be based on such worthless and/or agenda-driven papers.

Med School Lesson 3: prescribe a preparation

As an MD in training pointed out on the WBB, the med school focus is on pharmacology - prescribing drugs. Drug companies have excess influence in courseware, and on the “Standard of Care” (SoC) - the approved treatments for conditions. Naturally, the solution usually requires that the patient buy a drug, even when changing aisles at the supermarket would have a more effective and less adverse result. Post-graduate visits by cute pharma sales reps, free dinners and free trips, reinforce the message. There are just enough drugs that are actually useful that this state of affairs seems credible.

Med School Lesson 4: liability

The SoC is safe (for the MD). No MD is going to lose a malpractice case by following the dogma. In cancer, the SoC is usually fatal, and often has no material effect on lifespan, but no oncologist gets sued over it. When you suggest deviating from the SoC, the MD's inner lawyer goes to red alert, and the MD may not even realize it. Treat your glioma with a restricted calorie keto diet, hyperbaric therapy, exogenous ketones and elevated Vitamin D? Panic attack just due to liability.

Aside: this article is about MDs. Any health care provider with a lesser rank than MD is dramatically less likely to deviate from dogma. MDs have a longer leash, particularly when their off-schedule or radical approach has demonstrable positive results. PAs, NPs, RNs, LPNs, dietitians and counselors of all kinds take a severe career risk in stepping outside the box, so set your expectations accordingly.

Med School Lesson 5: MD = matriculated deity?

If the student isn't careful, formal medical education can afflict them with godlike psychology:
MPT: The Big Dirty Secret Every Doctor Knows
Eminence-based medicine is not the exception. It's the rule.

This, alas, is exacerbated by the tendency of patients to assume that doctors have the power of life and death. The deeper into this trap the MD falls, the less open they are to being mistaken, and especially to being challenged by non-doctors.

Post Grad Lesson 0: what that student loan implies

The young doctor may be entirely unprepared to confront a situation that implies that much of their medical education, not even paid off yet, almost entirely omitted a massively important topic.

Similarly, the mature physician is not prepared to deal with the historical implications.

Post Grad Lesson 1: follow the money

Most of an MD's income doesn't come directly from patients. It comes from insurance providers, who may refuse to cover non-SoC therapies.

Preventative and preemptive treatment is often also not in-plan (in large part because little preventative advice has been effective, and as we see with WB, effective dietary advice is pretty simple and doesn't require 12 years of training). The various medical specialties have consequently allowed themselves to be herded into a posture of fix on failure.

Yes, a dietary revolt by the general public is going to dramatically reduce the demand for MDs, but most of those MDs haven't seen that far ahead, and that's not what's on their minds when you bring up diet.

Post Grad Lesson 2: Fix on Failure

As Dr. Davis has said several times on his blog, consensus medicine has allowed itself to get painted into an acute care corner. It tries (and all too often fails) to fix things only after they've spun out of control. Prevention is not on the menu, both because it's not compensated by insurance, and also because the consensus guidance offered is not correlated with healthy outcomes.

Let's hit that point again: medical professionals aren't highly enthused about prevention, both because it doesn't pay well, but perhaps principally because the outcomes have not been encouraging. The presumption may be that we aren't following the advice, rather than that the advice is incorrect.

Post Grad Lesson 3: I have no map for that territory

When I asked my GP (now retired) to order NMR lipoprotein testing (that actually measures small LDL) and full thyroid testing (that actually directly measures thyroid function, and not just pituitary reaction), he admitted that he had never written such an order, and wouldn't know how to read the results. To his credit, he was willing to refer me to an internist who would order the tests.

Post Grad Lesson 4: guild loyalty

It's 1850. You propose to your MD that perhaps blaming bad humours, treated by bloodletting with leeches, or emetics, might not be an effective way to address your chronic indigestion. Another red alert. You are asking the doc to defect from the fraternity, and join the rebellion. Even if the doctor is disposed to consider that, there are substantial career risks for doing so, as we see in the Noakes and Fettke cases

Post Grad Lesson 5: webmd.com

Any physician with an established practice now has to deal, daily, hourly, appointment-to-appointment, with patients overflowing with insights, advice, “facts” and self-diagnoses from the internet, much of it flat out incorrect. This has rapidly conditioned them that patients bearing new/contrary information are mistaken until proven otherwise by overwhelming evidence, which probably hasn't happened yet for your doc, who confidently predicts that you won't be the exception.

Post Grad Lesson 6: shock of the new

To update something I said on WBB:
Another aspect of this is that the problem is extraordinary. As Dr. Davis asserts in the recent Wheat Belly Total Health book (p137), less than 2% of what passes for “food” in the average supermarket is actually fit for routine human consumption. I can't think of a precedent for this sort of thing. So in addition to the particulars of medicine vs. nutrition, we have the perfectly normal rational skeptical response of “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”.

OK, here are 466 cites. Connect the dots yourself.
Skeptic MD: “I don't have time for that.

OK, it's been done for you in this book.
Skeptic MD: “That's a popular best seller, with recipes! Surely you don't expect me to take that seriously (especially when I have a vague subconscious unease about the wider implications).

Post Grad Lesson 7: the overlooked itself has changed, and so what

Even if consensus medicine had paid more attention to diet, and thwarted the USDA's suicidal shift to low fat (1977-1992), would it have reacted to:
 - the relatively sudden rise of semi-dwarf hybrid wheat (1960-1985),
 - the sudden rise of cheap sugar (high fructose corn syrup: 1975-1985),
 - the sudden rise of high Omega 6 PUFA industrial grain/seed oils and
 - the only recently banned trans-fats?
Not only do these “foods” present novel issues in diet, they also, by way of being high yield and inexpensive, have pandemically infested the majority of prepared foods over the last 30 years.

The history of medical societies is dominated by resistance to change, even when they are paying attention, and in the case of diet, they haven't really been paying attention.

Post Grad Lesson 8: Too Much Too Soon

Grain-Free LCHF can't be correct, because that would imply …

In the specific case of Low Carb High Fat diets (LCHF, and the WB recommendations are presently very low carb, borderline keto), getting your doctor to accept the benefits of LC also implies accepting that HF is at least not harmful. You're asking them to toss overboard multiple major features of the consensus diet (namely: get 60% of calories from carbs, low fat is “good” and high fat is “bad”).

This dot connects itself to another: consensus heart disease etiology is also upside down, and based on a defective theory supported by studies recently revealed to have concealed data that falsified their conclusions.

Fat isn't the problem; it rather looks like carbs and inflammation are. De novo lipogenesis, the conversion of the rapidly-digested carbohydrate of wheat, amylopectin A, into triglyceride-containing particles like very low-density lipoproteins, or VLDL. This is a top candidate for the real cause, and Small LDL-P (NMR or electrophoresis LDL), the crucial measure, is almost never measured. Instead you're most likely to get an archaic crude approximation (LDL-C), and a reflexive prescription for a statin which artificially distorts this symbolic “cholesterol” number that doesn't matter, but does screw up your CoQ10 pathway, which actually does matter.

Inflammation? What those old now-debunked papers actually identified was that Omega 6 linoleic acid, the main fat in so-called healthy vegetable oils, is a health disaster. We need it in our diet, but in a near 1:1 ratio of ω6:ω3. Thanks to consensus nutrition advice, intake is more like 18:1 in most places now, and results in shorter lifespan, just like those old trials tried to hide.

If a consensus advocate furthers take the time to figure out that WB is borderline keto (Nutritional Ketosis), they are quite apt to confuse that with DKA (Diabetic KetoAcidosis) or even starvation ketosis. DKA is only a hazard to advanced diabetics who produce almost no insulin. This is quite a bit to swallow for someone taught the inverse, and that none of it really mattered to begin with.

Look at the trend chart for any of the leading non-infectious chronic conditions, Type 2 diabetes being perhaps the most disturbing - not just high, not just rising, but accelerating. You'd think that Conventional Medicine would be in a panic about this, and willing to consider quite radical theories on what the cause is, and actually try some different approaches.
Nope.
And big pharma merely sees it as an attractive revenue stream.

Post-Grad Lesson 9: The Future Isn't What It Used To Be

Knowing 5% of 50%

Perhaps less than half of the cells (by cell count) in our bodies are human, and this article so far has been about feeding the human cells. The other half (maybe more) are the microbiomes, principally the gut biome, a diverse collection of bacteria, eukaryotic parasites, fungi, protozoans, yeasts and viruses. These produce critical nutrients and provide important protective functions. They have specific nutritional requirements. Consensus medicine presently knows even less about this than about human diet. Knowledge of biome fine tuning is exploding, and leaving consensus medicine in its dust. By the time the subject gets even equal time with diet in med schools, self-empowered citizens will be decades ahead.

What Was That About Thyroid?

From consensus medicine you can expect
dis-interest (in flagrant symptoms),
mis-testing (TSH only),
mis-diagnosis (“normal”, when it is really hypo), and
mis-treatment (T4 only, if anything).
This is a common topic on the WBB. There are entire web sites devoted to the scandal. Hollywood bit players are writing books about it.

Consensus medicine is pretty useful for many acute conditions, like trauma injuries. In my view it is dangerously useless on all metabolic conditions (T2D, obesity), most chronic cardiovascular conditions, and key endocrine conditions. It is merely expensively useless on auto-immune conditions and many cancers. If you have a chronic non-infectious ailment, be prepared to do your home work and be your own case manager.

Summary

This is a really awful moment in history to be a classically trained MD. In addition to what grain-free low-carb high-fat low-inflammatory gut-flora-attentive diet implies about a huge black hole in their training, they are straining under the yoke of universal health care rationing and its cookie-cutter standards of care (which care nothing for actual outcomes).

All of the above does not excuse knee-jerk resistance, denialism and general freak-out when you raise the topic of diet with your doc, but may at least explain it, and prepares you for the likelihood of encountering it.

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