AHA: Doctors don't have time for prevention

Doctors "don't have enough time to educate their patients and to stop and think about what measures the patient really needs," says Dr. Raymond Gibbons, new head of the American Heart Association.

Dr. Gibbons highlighted how the system reimburses generously for performing procedures, but reimburses relatively little (often just a few dollars) for providing preventive counseling. He claims to have several ideas for solutions.

Good for Dr. Gibbons. There's no doubt that the lack of truly effective preventive information and counseling is a systemic, built-in flaw in the current medical environment. It is especially true in heart disease.

Another problem: "If a doctor didn't say it, it must not be true." That's the attitude of many of my colleagues. Despite their broad and systematic failure to provide preventive counseling, most physicians (my colleagues the cardiologists especially) pooh-pooh information that comes from other sources. Yet, it's my prediction that much of healthcare will go the way of optometry--direct access to care, often delivered in non-healthcare settings like a store or mall. People are hungry for truly self-empowering health information. Too many physicians can't or won't provide it. You've got to turn elsewhere for it.

That's one of the main reasons I set up the Track Your Plaque program. It's direct access to self-empowering information. A flaw: You still require the assistance of a physician to obtain lab values, lipoproteins, and to monitor certain treatments (e.g., niacin at higher doses). If I knew of a way around this, I'd tell you. But right now I don't. We remain constrained by legal and moral obligations.

Nonetheless, phenomena like CT heart scanning and the Track Your Plaque program are just a taste of things to come.
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Niacin scams

Niacin scams

As most of you know, niacin (vitamin B3) is an important tool for many in the Track Your Plaque program.

Niacin:

--raises HDL cholesterol
--reduces small LDL
--reduces lipoprotein(a)

And it's the most potent agent we have for all three patterns, despite just being a vitamin. Niacin also reduces LDL cholesterol, VLDL, IDL, triglycerides; reduces heart attack risk dramatically either alone or in combination with other agents.

Unfortunately, some people who are either afraid of the "hot flush" side effect, or experience excessive degrees of it, have resorted to two preparations sold in stores that have none of these effects.

Most notorious is "No-flush" niacin, also known as inositol hexaniacinate. This compound is an inositol sugar molecule complexed with 6 ("hexa-") niacin molecules. Unfortunately, it exerts none of niacin's effects in the human body. No-flush niacin has no effect on HDL, small LDL, or Lp(a), nor on LDL or heart attack.

In short, no-flush niacin is a scam. It's also not cheap. I've met people who have spent hundreds of dollars on this agent before they realize that nothing is happening, including a flush.

Likewise, nicotinamide does not work. It sounds awfully close to the other name for niacin, nicotinic acid. But they are two different things. Like no-flush niacin, nicotinamide has no effect on HDL, small LDL, Lp(a), etc.

Though I've discussed this issue in past, somehow these two "supplements" seem to sneak back into people's consciousness. You walk down the health food store aisle and spy that bottle of X-brand No-flush niacin, promising all the benefits of niacin with none of the bother. Then you remember that rough night you spent a few months back when the hot flush lasted longer than usual. That's when some people end up buying this agent making extravagant--and false--promises.

For now, for all its imperfections, niacin is still a pretty darn good agent for these patterns. Remember that the best strategy to minimize the hot flush effect is to drink plenty of water. We generally recommend taking the dose at dinner along with water. If the hot flush occurs, drink two large glasses of water (total volume 16-24 oz). Nine times out of ten, the flush is gone. It also dissipates the longer you take niacin.

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  • auntulna

    1/12/2009 11:06:00 PM |

    I've been taking Slo-niacin for more than six months, and about three times it must have broken down too fast. That is an intense hot pins and needles rush! Anyone else had that happen?

  • Grandma S.

    1/13/2009 2:37:00 PM |

    Dr. Davis,
    I do appreciate your blog and the information you provide. I am switching to SloNiacin!

  • stern

    1/13/2009 7:54:00 PM |

    it appears to me that the only    final decisive enemy for the heart is the LA sort LDL,all other are the indicators that your body inclines forward to get that enemy .all other encompassess high tryglicerides ,high ldl,low small hdl,c reactive proyien ,am i wright ?

  • Anonymous

    1/13/2009 9:46:00 PM |

    Niamax is also a slow release niacin.

    Is Niamax acceptable or does it also fall into the scam group?

  • Anonymous

    1/14/2009 12:27:00 AM |

    Please comment on a niacin product I have been using for years by Endurance Products,a sustained form of nicotinic acid that causes no flush (1000 mg daily) plus their regular version of immediate release (250 mg daily). Thanks...

  • martha

    2/4/2009 4:06:00 PM |

    Hi—
    My name is Martha and I am  a  writer working on a story about niacin for Better Homes & Gardens' Heart-Healthy Living magazine. I hope to interview Dr. Davis but also wanted to talk to people who are taking niacin for my story. If you are interested, please email me at marthajmiller@hotmail.com. My deadline is Feb. 16. Thanks
    -martha miller

  • IggyDalrymple

    2/28/2009 2:37:00 AM |

    My VA doc has been prodding me for years to take statins for my bad LDL/HDL ratio.  I finally took Dr Davis' advice and starting taking niacin and it worked.  My doc is now happy.

  • SES

    3/3/2009 10:29:00 PM |

    There are so many people commenting on the side effects of statins I wonder if there are side effects to something like Niaspan. Hot flashes are not what I am talking about.

  • Mary P

    4/28/2009 6:23:00 AM |

    I was talking to a dietitian friend about your strong feelings about no-flush niacin. I'm confused because she pointed me towards a recent European Food Standards Agency report that states that inositol hexanicotinate is bioavailable to humans and a source of niacin (they say, on average, 70% of an oral dose is absorbed into the blood stream).

  • buy jeans

    11/2/2010 7:40:15 PM |

    Nicotinamide--Also called niacinamide. While the nicotinamide/niacinamide forms of vitamin B3 can be used to treat B3 deficiency ("pellagra"), they do not reproduce the lipid and lipoprotein effects of niacin. For our purposes, they are useless.

  • Troy Honaker

    1/4/2011 5:00:05 AM |

    Niacin does have a tendency to have a prickly flushing effect on the skin.  This is normal to my knowledge.  It's not really a "side effect," it's just niacin doing its job.  I have never known it to be dangerous.  It is temporary.

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Factory hospitals

Factory hospitals

Twenty years ago, the American farming industry experienced a dilemma: How to grow more soybeans, corn, or wheat from a limited amount of farmland, raise more cattle and hogs in a shorter period of time, fatter and ready for slaughter within months rather than years?













(Image courtesy Wikipedia)

The solution: Synthetically fertilize farmland for greater crop yield; “factory farms” for livestock in which chickens or pigs are crammed into tiny cages that leave no room to turn, cattle packed tightly into manure-filled paddocks. As author Michael Pollan put it in his candid look at American health and eating, The Omnivore’s Dilemma:


To visit a modern Concentrated Animal Feeding Operation (CAFO) is to enter a world that for all its technological sophistication is still designed on seventeenth-century Cartesian principles: Animals are treated as machines—“production units”—incapable of feeling pain. Since no thinking person can possibly believe this anymore, industrial animal agriculture depends on a suspension of disbelief on the part of the people who operate it and a willingness to avert one’s eyes on the part of everyone else. . .


Pollan goes on to argue that the cultural distance inserted between the brutal factory farm existence of livestock and your dinner table permits this to continue:


“. . .the life of the pig has moved out of view; when’s the last time you saw a pig in person? Meat comes from the grocery store, where it is cut and packaged to look as little like parts of animals as possible. The disappearance of animals from our lives has opened a space in which there’s no reality check on the sentiment or the brutality . . .”


The same disconnect has occurred in healthcare for the heart. The emotional distance thrust between the hospital-employed primary care physician, the procedure-driven cardiologist, the crammed-into-a-niche electrophysiologist (heart rhythm specialist) or cardiothoracic surgeon whose principal concerns are procedures—with an eye always towards litigation risk—mimics factory farms that now litter the landscape of the Midwest. The hospitals and doctors who deliver the process see us less as human beings and more as the next profit opportunity.

The “factory hospital” has allowed the subjugation of humans into the service of procedural volume, all in the name of fattening revenues. Never mind that people are not (usually) killed outright but subjected to a succession of life-disrupting procedures over many years. But whether livestock in a factory farm or humans in a factory hospital, the net result to the people controlling the process is identical: increased profits.

The system doesn’t grow to meet market demand, but to grow profits. The myth that allows this growth is perpetuated by the participants who stand to gain from that growth.

See hospitals for what they are: businesses. Despite most hospitals retaining "Saint" in their name, there is no longer anything saintly or charitable about these commercial operations. They are ever bit as profit-seeking as GE, Enron, or Mobil.

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  • Jenny

    11/9/2008 2:48:00 PM |

    Dr. Davis,

    Have you read the book, Hippocrates' Shadow? You have a lot in common with the physician who wrote it and I think it would be very productive for you to contact him and discuss strategies together.

    I blogged about the book in detail at my Diabetes Update Blog a few days ago.

    We patients can't do much about this, but physicians working together could.

  • Zbigniew

    11/9/2008 8:43:00 PM |

    adequate analogy Smile, but what we get here is a gloomy picture with little hope - while thanks to blogs like yours we may be more lucky than those poor animals.

    So the punchline should be something like "educate, read, b/c if everyone takes care of themselves then everyone will be taken care of"

    best regards,

  • steve

    11/10/2008 2:35:00 PM |

    would be interested in your views of Crestor study, and statins in general: when should they be used, etc?

    thank you

  • Anonymous

    11/11/2008 12:31:00 AM |

    Thanks Jenny, for mentioning the book, Hippocrates'Shadow. This sounds very interesting and I can hardly wait to find a copy.  
    Another great book is "How Doctor's Think, by Jerome Groopman,M.D.
    Dr. Davis, I appreciate this wonderful blog and your excellent advice. You restore some of my lost confidence in the medical profession.

  • puddle

    11/11/2008 3:30:00 AM |

    Thank you, again.  And again.

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Cranberry Sauce

Cranberry Sauce

Happy Thanksgiving 2012, everyone, from all the staff at Track Your Plaque!

Here’s a zesty version of traditional cranberry sauce, minus the sugar. The orange, cinnamon, and other spices, along with the crunch of walnuts, make this one of my favorite holiday side dishes.

There are 31.5 grams total “net” carbohydrates in this entire recipe, or 5.25 grams per serving (serves 6). To further reduce carbs, you can leave out the orange juice and, optionally, use more zest.

1 cup water
12 ounces fresh whole cranberries
Sweetener equivalent to 1 cup sugar (I used 6 tablespoons Truvía)
1 tablespoon orange zest + juice of half an orange
½ cup chopped walnuts
1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
½ teaspoon ground nutmeg
¼ teaspoon ground cloves

In small to medium saucepan, bring water to boil. Turn heat down and add cranberries. Cover and cook at low-heat for 10 minutes or until all cranberries have popped. Stir in sweetener. Remove from heat.

Stir in orange zest and juice, walnuts, cinnamon, nutmeg, and cloves.

Transfer mixture to bowl, cool, and serve.


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  • Kathryn

    12/1/2012 9:01:14 PM |

    Wow, sounds good but that is a LOT of Truvia.  The same amount of real stevia would render that inedible.  I've never tried Truvia, so maybe it isn't as sweet as the real stuff.  I like KAL brand stevia.

    BTW, i was excited to learn that you're going to be on Oz on Monday.  Smile  I think your message should be carried to all the Land.  i hope it does get thru (i know TV shows have a tendency to edit so that the message gets diluted or even lost).  Best wishes!  (Well, i suppose it has already been filmed, still.)

  • JT

    1/6/2013 2:25:40 PM |

    Ah Christ, it seems I ate to much fiber yesterday!  Not to take the lords name in vain this Sunday morning just the fiber rich foods have me run down this morning.  But with that said, I think the defective gut will be alright.  That's a nice change!  The gut will thump and pulsate, and make all kinds of fussing through out the day I'm sure, but the typical sickness I would experience seems to be fading on the latest diet.  Kind of nice, to say the least.  Figure eventually fiber foods will be possible for me to eat again.  Not that I'm all that excited about this, a carrot or cucumber doesn't excite, but it would be oh so nice to broaden the monotone diet a bit more from what it currently is.  

    Congrats on the success of the books!  Very nice and wonderful that word is making its way out to "alternative" ideas to improve ones health, particular with the problems that wheat can have on ones health.  Alterative might not be the correct word to use anymore.  These ideas seem to be becoming more mainstream.  There are a good number of unhealthy people out there, that want help, and are motivated to try new ideas.  As can  be seen with your book, many are finding relief from condition they were all to often told by other health care professionals that their condition could not be treated and must be dealt with for life.  For me personally a big motivation for why I spread the word to others about dietary ideas to address heart disease, and now other health issues, was desperation.  I can remember how very sick I was at one time, home bound largely, in a great deal of pain, and desperate for relief.  Back in the internet days often times I would finding myself not wanting to approach others with dietary information to help with conditions.  It was information that would seem foreign to them.  Then simply I would often think of what I've gone through, how sick I had been, and believe maybe this information can help.    

    Well, it's time for me to move on to new pastures.  With being slightly healthier and having more energy here of late, there are other items on the mind.  I've had people seem to suggest ways to make a living continuing this work/hobby, but to be honest I do not believe that possible.  I never have carried much for the attention.  And there are safer hobbies to participate in.  Possibly I can get into cloths tailoring, making my own cloths.  That would be fun I would have to imagine.  

    Oh, I guess to mention too, someday you might hear about me again.  If I do recover there is a good chance I'll write a book, pamphlet, web sight, what have you, detailing about how I solved my stomach issues and hopfully heart plaque also.  It's a shame that from my experience hospitals seem to care so little about dietary ideas.  It isn't strictly correct, but often times I feel as if I've had to invent the wheel for addressing my gut condition.  In an ideal world, that shouldn't have been the case.

  • Helen Howes

    3/27/2013 10:36:53 PM |

    Has this blog died?  It used to be interesting. the last few entries seem just to be over-sweet recipes..
    Sad, really..

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Wheat five times a day

Wheat five times a day

Terri couldn't understand why her weight wouldn't drop.

At 5'3", 208 lbs., she had the typical mid-abdominal excess weight that went with small LDL, low HDL, high triglycerides, a post-prandial (after-eating) fat clearance disorder, high blood sugar, increased c-reactive protein, and high blood pressure.

She claimed to have tried every diet and all had failed. So we reviewed her current "strict" diet:

"For breakfast, I had Shredded Wheat cereal in skim milk. No sugar, just some cinnamon and a little Splenda. For lunch, I had low-fat turkey breast sandwich--no mayonnaise--on whole wheat bread. For snacks, I had pretzels between breakfast and lunch, and a whole wheat bagel with nothing on it before dinner. For dinner, we had whole wheat pasta with tomato sauce and a salad. While we watched TV, I did have a couple of whole wheat crackers.

"I don't get it. I didn't butter anything, I didn't sneak any sweets, cakes, I didn't even touch cookies. And I love cookies!"

Did you see the pattern? I pointed out to Terri that what she was doing, in effect, was eating sugar 5 or more times a day. Many of her meals, of course, contained no sugar. All were low fat. But the excessive wheat content yielded quick conversion to sugar--glucose--immediately after ingestion.

Repeated surges of blood sugar like this trigger the excessive insulin response that yields low HDL, higher triglycerides, small LDL, etc., everything that Terri had.

Terri was skeptical when I suggested that she attempt an "experiment": Try a four week period of being entirely wheat-free. This meant more raw nuts and seeds, more lean proteins like low-fat yogurt and cottage cheese, chicken, fish, lean red meats, more vegetables and fruits.

After only two weeks, Terri dropped 5 1/2 lbs. She also reported that the mood swings she had suffered, afternoon sleepiness, and uncontrollable hunger pangs had all disappeared. The mental cloudiness that she had experienced chronically for years had lifted.

What happened was that the load of sugar from wheat products, followed by an insulin surge then a precipitous drop in sugar, and finally fogginess, irritability, and cravings for food all disappeared. With it, the entire panel of downstream phenomena (small LDL, CRP, etc.) all faded.

Though she started out intending to complete a four week trial, I believe that, having seen the light, she will continue to be wheat-free, or nearly so, for a lifetime.

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  • Anonymous

    4/27/2007 9:20:00 PM |

    This description fits me to a 'tee' - including the unsuccessful attempts at dieting.

    I was a low-fat vegetarian with a wheat-heavy diet for 12 years.  I was convinced of the healthiness of my eating plan, despite the slow weight gain, ever-higher blood pressure, tryglicerides and cholosterol numbers.  It wasn't until my doctor shocked me with a diagnosis of Type 2 Diabetes that I realized the problem was how I was eating.

    After 9 months of a wheat-free and starch-free diet, a re-introduction of animal proteins from free-range poultry and wild seafoods, and much organic produce and nuts and seeds, I have shed 60 pounds - almost effortlessly.  My waist circumference is back to normal as are all my 'numbers'.  Without any medication.

    But no one could have convinced me prior to the diagnosis shock:  I was that successfully brainwashed by the conventional low-fat wisdom.

  • Dr. Davis

    4/28/2007 2:22:00 AM |

    Eloquently said.

    I fear that there's an entire nation that would concur, if they were aware. Sound the alarm!

  • Jonathan Byron

    4/22/2009 1:41:00 PM |

    You have repeatedly mentioned wheat and corn starch as culprits in a wide variety of disease factors. How much of this is specifically those two foods, and how much is the carb content (and the fact that these are so widely consumed in the west)? Our household is wheat-free (hashimoto's disease in one member), but we eat corn chips, corn tortillas and and corn noodles. Would switching from corn to rice be a logical next step, or would a low-carb diet with fewer grains of all types be better??

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Wacky statin effects

Wacky statin effects

In general, I try to exhaust possibilities before resorting to the statin drugs. But we still do use them, both in general practice and the Track Your Plaque program.

There are indeed a number of ways to reduce, minimize, or eliminate the need for these drugs. For instance, if your LDL is 150 mg/dl but comprised of 90% small particles, then a reduction in wheat and other high-glycemic index foods, weight loss, fish oil, and niacin can yield big drops in LDL.

But sometimes we need them. Say LDL is 225 mg/dl and is a mix of large and small. Exercise, weight loss, niacin, oat bran, ground flaxseed, Benecol, etc. and LDL: 198 mg/dl. Alright, that's when statins may be unavoidable. There's also many people who are not as motivated as all of us trying to reverse heart disease. Some just want the easy way out. Statins do indeed provide that option in some people.

So in truth, we end up using these drugs fairly regularly. How common are muscle aches and fatigue? In my experience, they are universal . If taken long enough, or if high doses are used, muscle complaints are inevitable. Most of the time, thankfully, they're modest and often relieved with a change in drug or with coenzyme Q10 supplementation.












But there's more to statin side effects than muscle aches. Among the wacky effects that I have witnessed with statin drugs:

--Insomnia-especially with simvastatin (Zocor and Vytorin). Insomnia can be quite severe, in fact, with difficulty sleeping more than 3-4 hours a night.

--Bone aches--I don't know why this happens, unless it's somehow related to muscle aches. I've seen this with all the statins, but more commonly with Crestor.

--Memory impairment--a la Dr. Duane Graveline's wacky book, Lipitor: Thief of Memory. I've seen this with Lipitor, though it's uncommon, and less commonly with simvastatin (Zocor, Vytorin).

--Diarrhea--More common with Zetia and Vytorin (which contains Zetia), because of the inhibition of bile acid reabsorption.

--Migraine headaches--This I certainly do not understand, but the cause-effect relationship is undoubtedly true in an occasional person.

--Low libido--In men more than women, though it may be more due to men being more willing to admit to it.

--Increased appetite--Rare, though I've seen dramatic instances.

--Tinnitus--Ringing in the ears. I've only seen it with Lipitor and Zocor.


In their defense (and in general I am no defender of the drug manufacturers), most people do fine with statin drugs, though the majority do eventually require coenzyme Q10 in my experience. By the way, coenzyme Q10 can be an indispensable aid to help tolerate statin agents.

I'd love to hear about your wacky experiences.

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  • Anonymous

    9/23/2007 2:26:00 PM |

    It was the craziest thing, my elbows felt like they needed to pop but couldn't.  I was taking 20mgs of Zocor, and the first couple of months the elbows were fine, but one day I realized they hurt and wouldn't pop.  I enjoy tennis and will occasionally shoot baskets with the boys - working elbows are a requirement for both sports.  I told my doctor the problem and he said to stop taking Zocor, and after two weeks he will have me try a different statin.  Avoiding Zocor brought relief.  After a week of being statin free the elbows stopped aching.    

    I havn't gone back to my doctor to receive a prescription for that new statin.  After learning more about heart disease prevention from this sight and others, my starting LDL was low to begin with right around 80, and so decided to take a different natural approach to lower my LDL and more importantly for me raise HDL.  I cleaned up my diet and began taking nutritional supplements.  It worked, today cholesterol levels are great, and I have working elbows.

  • DietKing2

    9/23/2007 3:27:00 PM |

    When I first started on Lipitor 20mgs a few months back I suffered from 'Lipitor Leg'; that dull, annoying pain that plays hide-and-seek in and about the calf and thigh muscle.  And of course, only one leg, too.  Weird, nu? But it went away when I doubled my intake of CoEnzyme Q10 from 150mgs to 300mgs daily. (yeah, I don't like taking chances on being stingy)
    I could easily blame the Lipitor I'm taking for my short-term memory issues, but I'm hesitant to pass absolute judgment as of yet, only because of the tremendous amount of reading/researching I do daily combined with the fact that I sometimes have my head up my ass, and it causes me to forget stuff.  I'll keep you posted.
    And you keep posting this fantastic stuff, too!
    AdamWink

  • JoeEO

    9/23/2007 4:21:00 PM |

    I have experienced the muscle aches, absent mindedness and what I believe to be severe GERD. The GERD symptoms where so severe that I stopped taking Lipitor (20 MG) a month ago.

    Dr Davis - have you tried Q.O.D. administration of longer acting statin? There is a cardiologist in Hartford CT (PD Thompson) who  
    has found that Q.O.D.  administration of statins "significantly improves serum lipid levels" (PUB MED ID 16230873)

    Peace,

    Joe E O

  • Dr. Davis

    9/23/2007 5:49:00 PM |

    Hi, Joe-

    No, I didn't know that!

    Sounds like an interesting strategy. I think it's worth a try.

  • Anonymous

    9/24/2007 5:00:00 PM |

    After taking Lipitor 10mg for a few days I developed an occasional pain in the back of my right eye.  Since I had never had a pain like that before I stopped taking it and the pain disappeared a few days later, never to return.  Although my cardiologist said he had never heard of anything like that, I found several people on the internet who reported having varying types of vision-related reactions.  It's fairly obvious that some people do have strange reactions.  Years ago, when it was a prescription drug, I once took Claritin and thought I was going to die when my airway started to close down.  Now (don't laugh) I'll only take a new drug in the parking lot of the hospital!  Thinking you won't be able to breathe might do that for you.  Fortunately I don't really have to take any drugs   ...   yet.
            TYP member:  the164club

  • Dr. Davis

    9/24/2007 10:39:00 PM |

    Add another wacky side-effect to the list!

  • Cindy Moore

    9/25/2007 4:23:00 AM |

    Wacky? Well, I'm not sure how memory loss, muscle and bone pain, and debilitating diarrhea can be considered "wacky", but yea, I had them and more...how about severe depression? For the first time in my life I would cry at the least thing and had to force myself out of bed and do anything!!

    I'm sorry. Wacky? That isn't a term I'd use for the side effects that I and many others experienced.

    For those of us that have had severe reactions to these drugs it is very difficult to get your doc to understand and believe. My doc actually laughed at me!! Many are ignored when they complain about muscle and bone pain....then when it gets unbearable they sometimes will quit the drug. Others have what appears to be permanent peripheral neuropathy as a result of statins and their effect being ignored. Having a physician, and an apparently fairly well known one, call these side effects "wacky" minimizes what many have gone thru and makes it harder for others to convince their docs!

  • Tom

    11/17/2007 3:50:00 AM |

    Two weeks after I started 10mg/day of Lipitor I developed tinnitus.  I had never noticed a ringing in my ears before and now all of a sudden it was LOUD.  After three months I saw my doctor for a cholesterol retest (it went way down) and complained of the tinnitus.  He said he hadn't heard of this side effect, but I told him the web said 2% complain of it.  He suggested I go to 5mg/day to see if it helped.  I tried this for a few months, then went totally off for a few weeks, and the tinnitus got better, but never went away.  I'm still on a 5mg dose after 9 months and I still have tinnitus.  My fear is that the damage is done and the tinnitus will never go away.

  • Anonymous

    3/13/2008 2:45:00 AM |

    Other bloggers: you might have something about the tinnitus. I had been plagued by tinnitus a few years ago - unrelated to statins - eventually it went away. I suspect medications. However, six days ago I began 5 mg simvastatin and the tinnitus came back, same sort of noise, same annoying level or volume. Dr. Davis mentioned tinnitus and Zocor in his "wacky" side effects posting. Maybe not so wacky, huh?

  • Veedubmom

    4/6/2008 1:50:00 AM |

    I got sun sensitivity from taking Simvastatin.  Wherever my skin is exposed to the sun, it turns red and starts itching intensely and my skin looks like giant hives.  I have to wear long sleeves, gloves, turtlenecks, etc.  

    Has anyone else ever had this side effect?

    Veedubmom

  • jegan

    1/25/2009 4:26:00 AM |

    I was on Lipitor, but as a result of teh recent study, asked to go on Simvastatin. I too have never suffered tinnitus until taking statins. I perceive it most at night. It sounds either like e pure high pitched white noise, or often like being stuck in an aviary with a million high pitched birds. I did not suffer any pains, but I clearly am more forgetful. I also feel depressed, and really don;t care about anything.. Paying bills, family, cleaning, you name it. Also, my rosacea seems to act up a lot more.

  • Brian

    2/27/2009 1:02:00 PM |

    I started Zocor 2 weeks ago and have ringing in right ear. Somtimes irs loud. I also had dizzyness and feeling of confusion the 1st week. Insomnia too.

  • UrbaneGorilla

    2/28/2009 4:00:00 AM |

    I don't know why there is no real documentation on these type of statin side effects. I'm guessing that there is too much money behind the labeled products.

    To sum up:

    I started taking statins a couple of years ago. A friend told me that he heard that they caused altzheimers-like symptoms. I didn't think that I exhibeted any effects like that, so I pretty much ignored it, except to raise the issue with my doctor.

    During the last two years, I gradually lost interest in pretty much everything. It wasn't that I was forgetful, I just didn't much care about anything. Didn't care about my hobbies, quit my job, only paid bills when I felt like it, left a rental property vacant for 1 1/2 years and other similar issues.

    I am normally a pretty active person with lots of pursuits. When I spoke to my doctor about my 'lack of interest and motivation', she suggested putting me on testosterone and later a mood enhancer. (I'm 60 and I lost my wife to breast cancer about 3 years ago, so I guess the thinking was either that I was going through male menopause or just depressed over her passing.)

    Although I never had the muscle aches or liver problems that are considered the side effects of statins, gradually, I began to feel weaker (not uncommon at 60) and more lackadaisical in my approach to bills and  responsibilities. I also began suffering continual intense tinnitus and insomnia. I became crankier and more vehement in my dealings with other people and dangerously aggressive while driving.

    Oddly enough, my lack of concern with paying bills led to the pharmacist telling me that Blue Shield had canceled me. Although I could easily have called the doctor for a prescription for $5 statins through KMart, I just couldn't be bothered, so I discontinued my medication.

    It's been about 2 1/2 weeks since my prescription ran out. Within 4 days I began feeling better and my thinking became clearer. I no longer have tinnitus, my good mood has returned and I **actually** accept  life's small annoyances again. Finally, I feel better physically and am more motivated. (Unfortunately, now I have to clean up all the financial garbage I've accumulated in the last year or so.)

    If you take statins and begin to suffer any of the symptoms that I've noted above. **Tell** your doctor to take you off for a month. If your symptoms improve, you'll know why.

    Although I no longer have medical insurance, one requirement of the coverage was that my cholesterol be controllable with statins. I'd rather have a heart attack or stroke and die than to go back to being the useless walking zombie that I was.

    John B. Egan
    Grass Valley,CA

  • UrbaneGorilla

    2/28/2009 4:05:00 AM |

    Just want to add that I've changed my screen name. This post was an update to my prior January 24, 2009 post as jegan.

    What can i say. I feel more inventive these days.

    jegan aka Urbanegorilla. Wink

  • Anonymous

    1/4/2010 9:44:00 PM |

    My father has been on Lipitor for close to two years now.  He's getting almost daily "light-headed" symptoms (sometimes several times a day) where he explains that he becomes disoriented.  He'll ask me what day of the week it is.  Or completely forget a conversation we would just have.  It all comes back after a few minutes; but still very scary. As one commenter said, I too have been having trouble convincing people of his symptoms.  Doctors downplay it (and they shouldn't.  No matter how small the group experiencing this).  I'm trying to convince him to get off the statins and instead adopt a strict diet (no wheat/sugar etc. and lots of fish oil). He wont listen.  Does anyone know if this side effect can worsen with continued use? Can I have him take something (CoQ10)that may help lessen symptoms?

    -concerned son

  • UrbaneGorilla

    1/4/2010 10:58:43 PM |

    In response to anonymous who's father is suffering mental issues.. My doctors had no idea that depression, memory problems, unusual spontaneous anger and lack of interest could be caused by statins. My opinion is that pharma is not interested in publishing these matters. Why would they? They make a ton of money selling the products.

    If I hadn't forgotten to pay my Blue Cross bill I would never have known the difference as I was truly in a daze. Not only did I forget to pay the bill, but I couldn't develop enough interest to call either Blue Cross, or my doctor for a new prescription so I could go buy statins at KMart for $4.

    Tell your dad's doctor to take him off the drugs for 2 weeks..See how he feels after that time. He won't have a heart attack in that period but he may well recover as I did.

    Having said that, I still only feel partly improved but considerably so over my fugue state.

  • buy jeans

    11/2/2010 9:15:00 PM |

    In their defense (and in general I am no defender of the drug manufacturers), most people do fine with statin drugs, though the majority do eventually require coenzyme Q10 in my experience. By the way, coenzyme Q10 can be an indispensable aid to help tolerate statin agents.

  • simvastatin side effects

    5/8/2011 8:18:45 AM |

    As we all know, statins reduce the problem of people suffering from high cholesterol level. Some side effects of this drug may be eliminated with the help of coenzymes.

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