Protecting the right to use bio-identical hormones in your heart disease prevention program

If you've been following the Track Your Plaque program, you know that we are advocates of "bio-identical hormones", i.e., hormone replacement using forms that are identical to the naturally-occuring human form.

In other words, we find it criminal that pharmaceutical manufacturers continue to promote use of non-identical hormones despite a probable increased side-effect and complication profile (a la Premarin). This unhappy situation persists because bio-identical hormones cannot be patent protected, meaning profits cannot be protected. Synthetic hormones can be patented and profits protected, thus their popularity among drug companies.

If that's not bad enough, Wyeth Pharmaceuticals--maker of synthetic hormone preparations, Premarin and Prempro--has filed an FDA petition to disallow the use of bio-identical hormones as prepared and dispensed by "compounding pharmacies". These are specialty pharmacies that mix and dispense hormones like estrogens (human estradiol, estriol, and estrione) and testosterone. They do so only with a doctor's prescription. Most are members of the Professional Compounding Centers of America (www.pccarx.com), a professional organization devoted to promoting quality-control over compounding practices.

Compounding pharmacies are occasionally guilty of compounding some suspect preparations. Witness the Fentanyl lollipops of 2002 in which the pain medication, Fentanyl, was put into lollipops for patients with chronic pain. This posed obvious dangers to any children who unsuspectingly ate the lollipops.

But the majority of compounding pharmacies are not guilty of such exotic practices. Most are simply pharmacies who might, for instance, mix a specific dermatologic preparation according to the orders of a dermatologist. Likewise with bio-identical hormones.

We have extensive experience with such a pharmacy in Madison, Wisconsin, the Women's International Pharmacy. They have filled hundreds of hormone prescription for us. They are responsible in their dispensing practices, in our experience. In fact, they have been at least as good, if not better, than other pharmacies we've dealt with.

We believe in protecting our rights to prescribe and you to use the choice of hormone preparations you and your doctor desire. This should include bio-identical hormones. The transparent profit motive from Wyeth should raise the hairs on your neck.

If you would like to post your comment to the FDA, there's a little time left. The folks at Womens' International Pharmacy have made it easy by posting links on their website. Go to http://www.womensinternational.com and just follow the instructions.



Here's a sample of some of the objections citizens have raised to Wyeth's petition:


I have been taking bioidentical hormones for two years. Bioidentical Hormones have been a great relief to me without the risk. I consult with my Physician who prescribes bio-identical hormones specifically for me, and my pharmacist prepares them. Without this medication and I would not be able to sleep; I would not be able to work due to the constant hot flashes. Without this medication, I find that I have less tolerance and I am considerably disagreeable. I also have problem with my memory without them. I want the bioidentcial hormones for the health benefits they provide. I urge you to not be swayed by Wyeth's petition. The product Premarin made by Wyeth, is made from pregnant horses not natural sources. Wyeth's hormones have been shown to cause cancer. I would not expect my government and its officials to submit to the highly funded petitioning of a pharmaceutical company who product is threatened by bioidentcial hormones. I do not expect my government to approved Wyeth's petition and leave me no choice of bioidentcial hormones and only the choice of Wyeth's cancer causing drugs Preamrin and Prempro. I ask that the FDA reject Wyeth's petition Docket #2005P-0411.

Another petitioner writes:

As a woman I take exception to Wyeth accusing the Compounding Pharmacy industry of unsafe practices. As a citizen of the United States I expect the FDA to stand up for my rights and the rights of all women who have found or in the future may seek consistent, safe and effective treatment with bioidentical hormones. Eliminating options by bowing to a large pharmaceutical company like Wyeth is not in the public interest and would deprive hundreds of thousands of American women from access to bioidentical hormones. Synthetic hormone replacement has been proven unequivocally unsafe in a government sponsored study and should not be forced as the sole treatment option for women. I hereby request the FDA rule against Wyeth's request. The FDA should not close down the bioidentical option of healthcare. I welcome studies of bioidentical hormones even though they are already FDA-approved and have been working effectively for decades. We already have the proof - hundreds of thousands of women, who over the past two decades have chosen bioidentical hormones based on their physicians' assessments. They are living proof that bioidentical hormones are safer and more effective and reliable than synthetic hormone drugs.

A physician and user of bio-identical hormones writes:

Wyeth, the filer of this complaint, is trying to prevent women from being able to choose less expensive compounded options for hormone replacement. There is medical evidence that in modifying the structure of their drugs (such as Premarin and Prempro) so that they could be patented, they may have introduced factors that cause the health risks identified in the Women's Health Initiative. This complaint appears to be filed for commercial purposes because of the market share that has shifted from Wyeth's products to bio-identical products from compounding pharmacies. If the complaint were upheld, patients and their doctors would not have a choice in hormone treatments. Wythe's commercial strategy of trying to eliminate the 'competition' from compounding pharmacies is against the public interest and in the interest of its own corporate profits. Women and their doctors should be able to choose between patented formulations such as those offered by Wyeth, bioidentical formulas available from compounding pharmacies, and no hormone treatment. I have been taking bio-identical hormones for several years and have had excellent results in improving my symptoms. I have been unable to take other synthetic hormones in the past, and am very concerned that my best treatment option will be taken away.

If you get a 64-slice CT coronary angiogram

With new 64-slice CT scanners popping up everywhere nowadays, be sure to get your heart scan with it.

The new scanners do indeed provide wonderful images of the coronary arteries. But, say you have a 20% blockage in one artery by a coronary angiogram generated on one of these devices. What will you do in 1, 2, or 3 years when you want to know if you have progressed? Should you have the CT angiogram repeated?

Well, if you did you'll be exposed to a large dose of radiation--appropriate for a diagnostic test, but not for a screening test. The radiation exposure is not that different from undergoing a full conventional cardiac catheterization, or up to 100 chest x-rays.

"20% blockage" is also, contrary to popular opinion, not a quantitative measure. It is just an estimate of the diameter reduction at one spot. That number says nothing about the lengthwise extent of plaque. It also says nothing about the potential for "remodeling", the phenomenon of artery enlargement that occurs as plaque grows. In other words, if you had another CT coronary angiogram a year later and was told that your blockag was still 20%, in reality you could have had substantial plaque growth but it would not be reflected in that value.

People will come to me after having a CT angiogram for an opinion. Unfortunately, I send them back to their scan center to get a simple coronary calcium score. That measure is easy, quantitative, precise, and can be repeated yearly if necessary to track progression. (Track Your Plaque--I hope most of you get this by now.) Some physicians poke fun at the heart scan, or calcium, score--it's old, boring, only a measure of hard plaque. None of that's true. The coronary calcium score is a measure of total plaque (hard and soft). And when you are empowered to learn how to control and reduce your score, then it's the most exciting number in your entire health program!

Don't fall for the hype. If you go to a scan center and they insist on a 64-slice CT scanner, or if your doctor orders one, you should insist on getting a calcium score out of the test. Just ask. If they refuse, go somewhere else. Centers that refuse to generate a score have one thing on their mind: identifying people with severe blockages sufficient to obtain the downstream financial bonanza--angioplasty, stents, and bypass surgery.

If you have hypertension, think Lp(a)

Clair has coronary disease.

Clair first came to attention at age 57 when she suffered a large heart attack involving the front of her heart (the "anterior wall") two years ago. Her cardiologist implanted a drug-coated stent. Her doctors advised her to "cut the fat" in her diet, exercise, and take Lipitor.

One year later, she required a stent to another artery (circumflex). At this point, Clair was thoroughly demoralized and terrified for her future. Her first heart attack left her heart muscle with only 50% of normal strength.

She came to my office for another opinion. Of course, one of the first things we did was to identify all causes of her heart disease. No surprise, Clair had 7 new causes not previously identified, including low HDL (37 mg/dl), a severe small LDL particle pattern (75% of all particles were small), and Lp(a).

Her blood pressure was also 190/88, despite her relatively slender build and 3 medications that reduced blood pressure. That's a Lp(a) effect: Exagerrated coronary risk along with unexpected hypertension that often seems inappropriate.

In fact, I saw several patients just this week with lipoprotein(a), Lp(a), and exagerrated high blood pressure (hypertension). It's not that uncommon.

Though it has not been described in the medical literature, our experience is that hypertension is a prominent part of the entire Lp(a) "syndrome".

Lp(a) is responsible for much-increased potential for coronary disease (coronary plaque). It increases in importance as estrogen recedes in a woman (pre-menopause and menopause) and testosterone in a man, since both hormones powerful suppress Lp(a) expression (though why and how nobody knows).

I believe that Lp(a) is also responsible for hypertension that most commonly develops in a persons mid-50s and onwards, often with a vengeance. 3 or 4 anti-hypertensive medications and still not controlled.



Role of l-arginine

L-arginine may be more helpful in this situation than others. L-arginine, recall, is the supply for your body's nitric oxide, a powerful dilator of the body's arteries and thereby reduces blood pressure. We use 6000 mg twice a day, a large dose that requires use of powder preparations rather than capsules.

More reading about l-arginine and nitric oxide is available through Nobel laureate, Dr. Louis Ignarro's book, NO More Heart Disease : How Nitric Oxide Can Prevent--Even Reverse--Heart Disease and Stroke, available at Amazon.com ( http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0312335814/104-1247258-6443909?v=glance&n=283155).




Will l-arginine truly reverse heart disease on its own? No, I don't believe so. Contrary to Dr. Ignarro's extravagant claims, I find l-arginine a facilitator of plaque regression, i.e, it helps other strategies achieve regression, but it does not achieve regression or reversal by itself. (Note that Dr. Ignarro is a lab researcher who studies rats and has never treated a human being.)

But l-arginine may have special application in the person with lp(a), particularly if hypertension is part of the syndrome.


Note: As always, please note that I talk frankly about l-arginine and other supplements and medications but have no hidden agenda: I am not selling anything, nor am I affiliated with any source/website/store etc. that sells these products. If I advocate something, I do so because I truly believe it, not because I'm trying to sell something. I make this point because so much nonsense is propagated in the media because of profit-motive. That's not true here.

Dr. Ornish: Get with the program!


In the era up until the 1980s, most Americans indulged in excessive quantities of saturated fats: fried chickem, spare ribs, French fries, gravy, bacon, Crisco, butter, etc.

Along came people like Nathan Pritikin and Dr. Dean Ornish, both of whom were vocal advocates of a low-fat nutritional approach. In their programs, fat composed no more than 10% of calories. This represented a dramatic improvement--at the time.


In 2006, a low-fat diet is a perversion of health. It means over-reliance on breads, breakfast cereals, pasta, crackers, cookies, pretzels, etc., the foods that pack supermarket shelves and that now constitute 70-80% of most Americans' diet.

Dr. Ornish still carries great name recognition. As a result, his outdated concepts still gain media attention. The June, 2006 issue of Reader's Digest, in their RDHealth column, carried an interview with Dr. Ornish in which he reiterates his fat-phobia.

However, on this occasion he takes a different tack. This time he rails against the "dangers" of fish oil and omega-3 fatty acids. "I've recently learned that omega-3s are a double-edged sword...In some cases, omega-3s could be fatal."

He goes on to say that, while he believes that fish oil may prevent heart attacks, it has fatal effect if you already have heart disease.

Does this make sense to you?

He's basing his views on a single, obscure study published in 2003 conducted in rural England that showed an increase in death and heart attack on fish oil. Most authorities have not taken these findings seriously, since they are wildly contrary to all other observations and because the study had some design flaws.

Despite the fact that this isolated study runs counter to all other, better-conducted studies seems not to matter to Dr. Ornish.

Clinging to the low-fat concept is like hoping 8-track tapes will make a comeback. It's not going to happen. We enjoyed the benefits while they lasted, appropriate for the era. But now, they're woefully outdated.

The overwhelming evidence is that fish oil provides tremendous benefits with little or no downside. In the Track Your Plaque program, fish oil remains a crucial supplement to gain control over your coronary plaque and stop or reduce your heart scan score. Ignore the doomsday preachings of Dr. Ornish.

(Watch for an article I wrote updating the benefits of fish oil for Life Extension magazine.)

The cholesterol fallacy

Evan spotted the kiosk set up in the middle of the local mall. "Free cholesterol screenings. Know your heart health!" the sign declared.

It was a free cholesterol screening being offered by a local hospital.

The friendly nurse behind the kiosk had Evan fill out a form, then pricked his finger. Five minutes later, she reported to him with a smile, "Sir, your cholesterol is 177--your heart's fine! We get concerned when cholesterol is over 200. So you're in a safe range."

What the nurse failed to recognize is that Evan's HDL was 30 mg, a low value that actually places him at high risk for heart disease. Low HDL also signifies high likelihood of the small LDL particle pattern, a marked predisposition towards pre-diabetes and diabetes, a probable over-reliance on processed carbohydrates in his diet, a dramatically increased probability of hidden inflammation (e.g., elevated C-reactive protein), increased tendency for high blood pressure. . .

In other words, Evan's "favorable" total cholesterol is, in truth, nonsense. It's misleading, falsely reassuring, and provided none of the insight that a real effort might have yielded. Like hippies, tie-dye, other relics of the 1960s, total cholesterol needs to be put to rest. It has served many people poorly and been responsible for countless deaths.

When you see a kiosk or other service like this, even if it's free, run the other way.

"Heart disease a growth business"





So announced a Boston newspaper recently, featuring a story about new heart program at a local hospital.

They were announcing how a hospital had entered the cardiovasculare procedure game and how it would boost their bottom line. The article discussed how the hospital administration was anticipating "a surge in patients from the baby boom generation."

To justify this new program, the article quoted an administrator from another hospital: "Cardiovascular issues is [sic] the number one cause people sought treatment at our hospital."

The hospital featured in the story had spent $13.5 million dollars to develop their program.

Do you think they'll make it back?

You bet they will--many times over. Hospitals are businesses, complete with a bottom line, an expectation of profit and an eye towards growth.

The hospitals in the city where I live (Milwaukee, Wisconsin) are, as in Boston and elsewhere, very aggressive--expanding into new territories, hiring new "salesmen" (physicians), all to capture more marketshare and produce more "product" (your coronary angioplasty, stent, bypass surgery, defibrillator, etc.).

The equation for hospital profits is tried and true. Ignore your heart disese risk and you can help your local hospital grow its business. Neglect to get your heart scan and you can help your hospital pay down its debt. Get a heart scan, then do nothing about it, and you may even justify a pay raise for the hospital administrators for record revenue growth and profit.

Hospitals are a growth business because of the failure of most people and their doctors to 1) identify hidden coronary disease (CT heart scan to obtain your heart scan score), then 2) seize control over it (the Track Your Plaque program or, at least, your doctor's guidance along with your efforts at prevention).

Unless you do so, you are highly likely to help your hospital boost its annual goal for procedures.

The myth of small LDL

Annie's doctor was puzzled.

Despite an HDL cholesterol of 76 mg (spectacular!) and LDL of 82 mg, her CT heart scan showed a score of 135. At age 51, this placed her in the 90th percentile.

Not as bad, perhaps, as her Dad might have had, since he died at age 54 of a heart attack.

So we submitted blood for lipoprotein testing. Surprise! over 90% of all her LDL particles were small. (By NMR, they're called "small". By gel electropheresis, or the Berkeley Lab test, or VAP (Atherotech) technique, they're called "HDL3".)

What gives? Traditional teaching in the lipid world is that if HDL equals or exceeds 40 mg/dl, then small LDL will simply not be present.

Well, as you can see from Annie's experience, this is plain wrong. Yes, there is a graded, population-based effect--the lower your HDL, the greater the likelihood of small LDL. But small LDL is remarkably persistent and prevalent--regardless of your HDL.

We've seen small LDL even with HDLs in the 90's! I call small LDL the "cockroach" of lipids. If you think you have it, you probably do. Getting rid of small LDL requires a specific bug killer. (Track Your Plaque Members: Read Dr. Tara Dall's interview on small LDL.)

Don't let anybody blow off your request for lipoprotein testing just because your HDL is high. That's just not acceptable. Loads can be wrong even with a favorable HDL.

My stress test was normal. I don't need a heart scan!

Katy had undergone a stress test while being seen in an emergency room, where she'd gone one weekend because of a dull pain on the right side of her chest. After her stress test proved normal, she was diagnosed (I believe correctly) with esophageal reflux, or regurgitation of stomach acid up the esophagus. She was prescrbed an acid-suppressing medication with complete relief.

But Katy also had coronary plaque. Three years ago, her CT heart scan score was 157. She'd made efforts to correct the multiple causes, though she still struggled with keeping weight down to gain full control over her small LDL particle pattern.

I felt it was time for a reassessment: another heart scan. After three years, without any preventive efforts, Katy's score would be expected to have reached 345! (That's 30% per year plaque growth.) It's a good idea to get feedback on just how much slowing you've accomplished.

But Katy declared, "But I didn't think another heart scan was necessary. My stress test was normal!"

What Katy was struggling to understand was that even at the time of her first scan, a stress test would have been normal. Plaque can be present with a normal stress test.

Plaque can even show explosive growth all while stress tests remain normal. Just ask former President, Bill Clinton, how much he should have relied on stress tests. (Mr. Clinton underwent annual stress nuclear tests. All were normal and he had no symptoms--all the way up 'til the time he needed urgent bypass surgery!)

Of course, at some point even a crude stress test will reveal abnormal results. But that's years into your disease and a lot closer to needing procedures and experiencing heart attack.

So, yes, Katy would benefit from another heart scan despite her normal stress test.

The message: Don't rely on stress tests to gauge whether or not plaque has grown, stabilized, or reversed. Stress tests can be used to gauge the safety of exercise, blood pressure response, and the potential for abnormal heart rhythms. Stress tests can be used as a method to determine whether blood flow in your coronary arteries is normal through an area with plaque.

But a stress test cannot be used to gauge whether plaque has grown. It's as simple as that. Gauging plaque growth requires a heart scan.

Patient-napping: Yet another reason to stay clear of hospitals!

When I started practicing medicine around 20 years ago, it was common practice to alert a physician when their patient was seen in an emergency room.

If John Smith, for example, went to the emergency room with chest pain, the physician who had an established relationship with the patient--knew their history, had managed their health and illnesses, etc.--was notified, even if the hospital ER had no relationship with the physician. It was not uncommon for the patient to then be transferred to the hospital where their own doctor practiced.

Though cumbersome at times, it preserved the relationship of the patient with their doctor.

Over the past few years, this practice has crumbled. Nowadays, hospitals and their employed physicians (and other unscrupulous physicians acting in the name of profit) "fail" to notify the physician with an established relationship.

Guess what happens? The patient all too often ends up being put through the gamut of testing and procedures.

Why? For hospital profit, of course. If failure to notify a doctor who's had a 10-year long relationship with the patient is "overlooked" or, even more commonly, it's "unsafe" to transfer the patient because the patient is too "unstable" to be transferred, then this patient becomes ripe for picking--heart catheterization, stents, bypass surgery, etc. Ten's, if not hundreds, of thousands of dollars can be reaped by this deception. I call it "patient-napping".

I see this at least several times every month. As hospitals are becoming increasingly competitive, and as they put pressure on their physicians to churn patients for revenues, you're going to see more and more of this.

As always, what is your protection from this expanding influence of hospitals and the doctors too meek to stand up to them? Education and information. Arm yourself with an understanding of what is accomplished in hospitals, when you truly need them, and when you don't.

Take it one step further. At least from a heart disease standpoint--the #1 profit-maker for hospitals--aim to 1)identify your coronary plaque, then 2) seize control over your coronary plaque and reduce your risk for heart attack and heart procedures as much as humanly possible. That's the goal of the Track Your Plaque program.

Don't believe the negative press on fish oil



A British Medical Journal study released in March, 2006 has prompted a media flurry of reports on the worthlessness of fish oil. (Hooper L, Thompson RL, Harrison RA et al. Risks and benefits of omega 3 fats for mortality, cardiovascular disease, and cancer: a systematic review. BMJ March,2006)

Don't believe it for a second.

First of all, the study was a re-analysis of the existing published scientific literature. It was not a new study. It included a wild conglomeration of different clinical observations, as the studies examining fish oil over the years have been extraordinarily heterogeneous--in populations examined, omega-3 supplement (e.g., fish vs. capsule), period of observation, endpoints measured.

The results were skewed by inclusion of a moderate-sized British study by Burr et al in men with angina. In this study, no benefit was demonstrated and, in fact, a negative effect--more heart attack and death--was observed with fish oil. This was not news, since the study was published in 2003. It's results have been a mystery to everyone, since its unexpected negative result for fish oil was so starkly different from virtually every other study that preceded it (suggesting a study flaw or statistical fluke).

Nonetheless, the Burr study served to throw off the overall analysis. It diluted the dramatic and persuasive outcome of the GISSI-Prevenzione Study of 11,000 people in which a 28% reduction in heart attack and 45% reduction in cardiovascular death was observed. Note that the substantial numbers of the GISSI make the study's outcome nearly unassailable.

Another important fact: fish oil is among the most powerful tools available to correct elevated triglycerides. Drops of 50% are common. Recall that triglycerides are a necessary ingredient to create the nasty LDL, as well as VLDL, Intermediate-density lipoprotein, and an undesirable shift from large to ineffective small HDL. Reducing triglycerides is therefore crucial for your plaque control program.

This re-analysis serves to prove nothing. Such analyses can only pose questions for further study in a real study like GISSI: a randomized (random participant assignment), controlled (treatment vs. placebo or other treatment) study.

The weight of evidence remains heavily in favor of fish oil, not only as helpful, but fabulously beneficial, particularly for anyone aiming to reduce coronary plaque.
Thyroid perspective update

Thyroid perspective update

Since the publication of the extraordinary HUNT Study relating the entire spectrum of thyroid function and heart issues, I have been vigorously and systematically examining thyroid function in numerous patients.

While there's no news in relating flagrant low thyroid function with triggering heart disease in several forms, the cut-off between low thyroid and normal thyroid has been a matter of dispute for decades.

In the early 20th century, low thyroid function wasn't diagnosed until someone gained 40 lbs, displayed extravagant amounts of edema (water retention) in the legs and huge bags under the eyes, hair fell out in clumps, and often eventually proved fatal. At autopsy, these unfortunates also showed advanced and extensive quantities of coronary atherosclerotic plaque.

Low thyroid is usually diagnosed on the basis of the blood test, thyroid stimulating hormone, or TSH. TSH is a pituitary gland hormone responsible for stimulation of thyroid function. When thyroid function flags, the pituitary increases TSH release. Thus, a high TSH signals lower thyroid hormone levels.

The difficulty is in distinguishing normal thyroid function from low thyroid function judged by TSH levels. As the years have passed, in fact, the cut-off for "normal" TSH has drifted lower and lower.

The HUNT Study, I believe, clinches the argument: A TSH of 1.5 or lower, perhaps even 1.0 or lower, is desirable to eliminate the excess cardiovascular risk provided by an underactive thyroid, not to mention feel better: more energetic, clearer thinking, greater well-being.

Having now applied this renewed appreciation for thyroid, I have come to believe that:

--Low thyroid function, even subtle levels, are rampant and far more common than ever previously thought. In my office practice, the case could be made that several people per day are marginally or mildly hypothyroid (low in thyroid).
--Restoration of optimal thyroid levels facilitates correction of lipid measures, especially LDL cholesterol and, to a lesser degree, lipoprotein patterns dependent on the insulin axis such as triglycerides and small LDL. It's a lot happier way to correct lipids than statins.

I don't discount the value of feeling better. People who feel better--more energetic, more upbeat, clearer thinking--tend to do better in health overall. If thyroid restoration is a part of that equation, then greater attention should be paid to this facet of health on our way to optimal heart health.

Though I sometimes feel like an endocrinologist dispensing desiccated thyroid (rarely the synthetic T4), I believe that this has been a previously neglected and important part of our effort to achieve coronary plaque stabilization and reversal.

Comments (18) -

  • Jeremy

    10/10/2008 2:33:00 PM |

    I have a TSH of 2, which the doctor told me was normal. What steps can I take to get my TSH to be lower, like 1.5 or 1?

  • Anna

    10/10/2008 5:58:00 PM |

    Great post, doc!  As I've mentioned in past comments, this is a subject near and dear to my heart.

  • Anonymous

    10/10/2008 8:02:00 PM |

    Doctor,
    I applaud your attention to the low thyroid issue but also would urge you to check Free T4 and Free T3 -- I spent several years gaining weight, depressed, exhausted, and suffering numerous symptoms (including high cholesterol) but being told I needed and anti-depressant, statins, etc because my TSH was normal.  When I finally found a doctor to test the Free T3 and 4, I was found to be low in both and I need both to function well.  I can track symptoms and cholesterol rises to the T3 and T4 blood levels. Thank goodness I've found a doctor who will test and adjust when I report the need for same.

    Keep up the good work.
    S

  • Anne

    10/11/2008 9:00:00 AM |

    My TSH is 2.6. What should I say to my doctor as on the lab report that comes out as normal.

  • gunther gatherer

    10/11/2008 10:52:00 AM |

    Hi Doctor and thanks for your informative blog. I'd like to echo Jeremy's comment and ask what one can do to lower TSH to below 1.5?

    Mine is currently 3.5, considered officially normal, but I have a very difficult time losing weight and would like more energy and better sleep. My diet is very good, but I think I may be missing something with TSH so high.

    Thanks, G

  • Nancy LC

    10/11/2008 6:19:00 PM |

    My doctors were happy to leave me around a TSH of 5.  I asked for, and got, a small increase in thyroid meds and got the TSH down to 3.  Felt better, but after reading about these latest studies I decided I wanted to be at 1 or lower.  So I talked to my doctor, told him I felt like I wasn't optimal yet and asked if I could go a little higher on the meds.  He agreed.

    This latest bump is making me feel really good, like I actually WANT to move around and exercise and get things done.  

    I tried the natural thyroid meds once and felt they were too high in T3 for me, I never adapted to them.

  • Dr. B G

    10/12/2008 7:28:00 PM |

    G,

    My TSH from 1997 until 2007 were always 1.3 to 1.9.  I lost 50 lbs over the last 5 yrs (and low carb the last 2yrs) but my TSH did not 'normalize' until my vitamin D normalized.

    Normal by DR. Davis and many experts and cancer epidemiologists is 25(OH)D 60-75 ng/ml.

    Good luck. You are grain-free right? Consider casein-free too (ie Paleo diet).

    -'G' too Smile

  • Dr. B G

    10/12/2008 7:28:00 PM |

    G,

    My TSH from 1997 until 2007 were always 1.3 to 1.9.  I lost 50 lbs over the last 5 yrs (and low carb the last 2yrs) but my TSH did not 'normalize' until my vitamin D normalized.

    Normal by DR. Davis and many experts and cancer epidemiologists is 25(OH)D 60-75 ng/ml.

    Good luck. You are grain-free right? Consider casein-free too (ie Paleo diet).

    -'G' too Smile

  • Lynn M.

    10/12/2008 9:46:00 PM |

    Nancy,

    An intolerance of natural thyroid meds often indicates adrenal insufficiency.  Also, natural thyroid such as Armour needs to be dosed differently than Synthroid.  Armour should be taken in small doses spaced through the day. T3 has a short half-life of 6-7 hours (the figure varies depending on the source), so you'll get too much jolt if taking the daily dose all at once.  T4 meds like Synthroid have a half life of 6-7 weeks, so once daily dosing is fine with them.

  • Anonymous

    10/13/2008 5:40:00 AM |

    I was recently diagnosed with Hashimoto's, due to elevated thyroid antibodies, yet my TSH was in the 3-3.5 range, which most doctors will state is 'normal'.

    So, it's proven very difficult to get treatment so far. I also have symptoms that match hypo, and an ultrasound that shows a mildly enlarged thyroid. I was also told that my thyroid felt 'lumpy' when it was palpated. Yet, two doctors so far won't even consider letting me try a low-dose trial of thyroid medication. The magic number for them is a TSH of 5.0 or higher.

    For those who haven't seen endocrinologists, many  tend to be... stubborn. Thyroid disease seems to be treated different than other diseases. Doctors pretty much ignore symptoms, they don't agree with a standard as to who is Hypothyroid, and who isn't, they don't use the same TSH marker to treat, and they don't even agree which blood tests to give. It's actually sort of insane.

    So for those of you with TSH levels in the high 2s or 3s, my only advice is to get your free values tested and your thyroid antibodies tested too. If they are positive, you potentially could find a doctor to treat you... eventually... maybe.  If you don't test positive for antibodies, and your free T3/T4 are normal, I think you'll have a real hard time finding a doctor to give you any thyroid meds.

  • donny

    10/13/2008 4:17:00 PM |

    I spent some time yesterday reading about vitamin a, iodine and thyroid.

    According to this http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/89/11/5441

    goiter becomes more likely in iodine deficient areas where vitamin a deficiency is also present. There also seems to be the suggestion that the goiters sometimes caused by a high, rather than a low, level of iodine intake might be guarded against by vitamin a sufficiency.

    quote "The data from the intervention indicate that VA status may also modify the response to iodine repletion. In the trial, there was a significant decrease in median TSH, Tvol, mean Tg, and goiter rate in the IS+VA group compared with the IS group. In areas of endemic goiter, the major determinant of serum Tg and Tvol is TSH stimulation of the thyroid (42, 45). Our findings suggest TSH hyperstimulation, indicated by increased TSH, Tg, and Tvol, was reduced by VA treatment.

    I've seen it stated all over the web that hypothyroid interferes with the ability of the body to convert beta carotene to vitamin a.  

    This study,

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3120391

    was in pregnant heifers, so grain of salt, but..

    They added synthetic beta carotene to these cattle's feed, and according to the abstract,

    "It is inferred from the results that beta-carotene interferes with the activity of the thyroid gland and the production of its hormones, and that the increases or decreases of the activity of this gland, caused by beta-carotene, influence the metabolism of cholesterol in the body."

    They don't mention what form the increase in cholesterol takes, but since thyroid function is described as 'interfered with' I suspect the change was not a beneficial one.

    These guys should know better, and never ever just say 'beta carotene' when what they really mean is 'synthetic beta carotene.' If these cattle had been fed green grass, their beta carotene intake would have been through the roof. I doubt this would have caused thyroid or cholesterol metabolism dysfunction. Reminds me of those studies on humans with synthetic beta carotene with not-so-good results.

  • Anna

    10/13/2008 6:27:00 PM |

    My advice to those with symptoms and a TSH over 2.0 or 2.5 (or any health issue that isn't being addressed well and helping the patient feel/function better) is to find another doctor who is more open minded about patients and health instead of settling for one way to look at things.   After all, our doctors are consultants who are supposed to work *for us* with their experience and expertise; not the other way around.  My teeth grind now when I hear someone say "my doctor won't let me...",  like the doc is a parent or boss.

    I never thought I'd become one of those "doctor-shoppers", because I always thought that was a negative, hypochondriac-sort of thing, especially for middle -aged women, the demographic I am now in (I have a new appreciation for the roots of the word "hysterical").  I can easily see how "doctor-shopping" can become a problem, but I've stopped seeing it as always a negative thing.  I pulled my exhausted, fuzzy-thinking self over that huge mental hurdle and pushed myself not to settle until I found docs who could also see me as a partner in my care, not as a subordinate in the relationship, because I saw that as the best way to achieve *all* my health goals, not just my thyroid care.  Ultimately, I think that can mean less visits to the doc over time and less tries at Rxing with a variety of meds in an attempt to manage symptoms.  For instance, nagging neck pain and stiffness on one side that persisted for many years (after a muscle injury), was diagnosed as osteoarthritis after an x-ray ordered by the doc I saw for a decade.  She said take NSAIDS and learn to bear it, part of getting older.  Great.  The next year, the new PCP osteopathic doc I saw said, want to try some PT -   often it helps.  I had 8 PT sessions (no that wasn't convenient or cheap) and initially I was unimpressed, but by the 4th session I saw real improvement, which increased until the last session.  The relief from the neck pain/stiffness has lasted several years (reccurances are usually easily dealt with by adjusting my sleep posture and resuming the PT exercises I learned).  No meds and much less pain and greatly improved mobility in my neck  or meds & bearing it - all a matter of perspective on how to treat/not treat.  

    I think most people are afraid or too weary to *really search* for an appropriate physician match, and they don't really want to take enough responsibility for understanding their needs; they'd rather just take a friends referral or be told what to do or wait until something urgent presents itself.  It's natural to crave familiarity, but that's a poor reason to stick with indifferent or adequate care or let Chance make the choice.  I know there can be other barriers, such as the expense and the difficulty scheduling around work or other obligations or even lack of local physician choice (especially in remote areas), but if there are significant health issues at stake (to treat or prevent), overcoming those barriers can really pay off in better care and reduced unproductive doc visits.  I'd say my unproductive office visits numbered 3:1 over the productive ones in the past 15 years or so - what a waste! - mostly because I stuck to the same doctor too long, one that just attributed everything I was experiencing to "getting old".  I'm not more bothered by aging than the next person, but frankly, most of her answers were cop-outs and I shouldn't have settled for lame responses for so long.

    I've seen some docs in the interim years that were definitely improvements, but I still felt I might be able to get better care within my network if I kept making inquiries.   For a brief time, we had very good PCP physician that both my husband and I liked very much, but I still saw my out of network doc for my thyroid and my PCP was ok with that.  

    But last year our PCP doc left our network and took a break from medical practice, just after my son's pediatrician suddenly passed away.  I suspect that ped-doc would have been a good candidate for TYP, btw, he lived near us and I often saw him in the grocery store with his cart full of AHA approved edible food-like substances).   So we were all left without an assigned PCP, though of course, if anything urgent came up we could see whoever was available.  And the travel to see the out of network thyroid doc was harder to do, so I started seeing an in-network endocrinologist, in the hopes that I could transition to him for all that stuff.  I had to switch to what he knew, Rxing only synthetic T4 and finally some added T3, instead of the 98/2% T4/timed release compounded natural T3 the other doctor gave me (which I liked better).

    I saw this as a good opportunity; I started looking for a new PCP for the whole family, someone in family medicine this time, also a bit closer to home than the other facility (which we chose when we were new to the area and lived closer).  I took my time, making short "get acquainted" appts with potential docs, which is allowed in my plan.  I asked a lot of questions about their approach to preventive care and how they promote good health, and especially with the health issues for our family.  

    I knew I'd probably found the right one when I saw the EBT coronary calcium score poster on the back of the door while I was waiting to meet the doc.  He said EBT CCS scans are a test worth paying out of pocket for even if insurance won't - you'll like that Dr. D!  He's familiar with BH, compounded Rx, has very good views of thyroid conditions, and tries to focus on lifestyle more than drugs and true prevention rather than just early screening and detection/treatment.  When I asked about thermography instead of mammography, he said a number of patients had asked about it and he was currently looking into it, so didn't have a recommendation yet; he was open to looking any info I could forward on thermography.  I think the persistent search will have been worth the effort, because I think we will make a good team; he's pretty close to a "Renaissance Doc", IMO.  Wish I'd known about him a long time ago, might have saved me and my family a lot of misery (rigid, unenlightened docs can forget that the loved ones can suffer when the patient isn't up to par, too).  I'd just about given up finding the right doc in our network; now I hope he doesn't bolt the system like the last one I felt great about.  

    It might take some time, effort, and expense, especially with limiting HMO networks and insurance restrictions/or lack of insurance, but the way I see it, it's really worth looking until you find better care, inside or outside your network network.   It's much easier to do this when the health care issues are more minor than when they get serious, too.  

    I don't know how all insurance plans work, but the last two plans we have had (through my husband's employer) allowed choosing a PCP at any time as many times as long as I stay within the network.  I'm told some PCPs don't bill for brief "new patient" visits (no exam), but don't quote me on that.  I'm in suburban area of a larger city, so there are literally hundreds of PCPs I can choose from within two networks (but I have to choose one or the other network, not a mix).  For too long I thought all the docs in a network would just think exactly the same, plus they all used the same lab, so that discouraged me from looking further.  Well, I was surprised to find out that wasn't necessarily true, but it took some continued and persistent digging to find the "free thinkers" and finally making a few of those "get acquainted appts" to ask questions.  That's much better than both of us being "on the spot" during an office visit for an acute health problem and learning there is a mismatch.

    "New patient" appts can quickly cover more topics than a regular exam visit, too, which is usually restricted to one health complaint or cramming in all the annual exam items.  I focussed on asking questions and learning how the doctor sees his/her role in our healthcare and where he/she did/didn't have experience and expertise, rather than debating my opinions or views that differed.  It was a much better way to narrow down my choices.  There's too much at stake to throw a dart at a name and then stick with the random result no matter what.

    Persistence is the key.  I've learned never to let my health become an auto-pilot sort of thing.

  • Anonymous

    10/16/2008 8:31:00 PM |

    TSH is only a good starting point, one absolutely has to also know their free T4 (and T3) so that a lower-normal TSH isn't masking a too low free T4 (and T3).  Combined the TSH and free T4 can identify central hypothyroidism, originating in the pituitary that comes with the same symptoms of hypothyroidism originating at the thyroid.

  • Anna

    10/18/2008 4:11:00 AM |

    Donny,

    Interesting about the Vit A and beta carotene connection to thyroid.  Before I took thyroid hormone I have very reddish-orange palms.  That went away after some time with thyroid treatment and hasn't returned.

  • Dr. B G

    10/19/2008 1:13:00 PM |

    Anna Donny,

    Those are amazing observations.

    I do think Vitamin A is important. Most supplements however have 'beta carotene' and as Donny mentioned they are probably Lurotin by BASF or some other SYNTHETIC vitamin. This un-natural vitamin did not fare well in any clinical trial.

    Natural vitamin A is crucial -- just as vitamin D is for the thyroid and every organ in the body for growth, reproduction and anti-proliferative effects.

    Cows may be entirely deficient when compared with grass fed cows. I came across one study where the beef industry made the lovely conclusion that more marbling of the meat was achieved when the cows were fed vitamin-A-deficient feed!

    -G

  • Dr. B G

    10/19/2008 1:13:00 PM |

    Anna Donny,

    Those are amazing observations.

    I do think Vitamin A is important. Most supplements however have 'beta carotene' and as Donny mentioned they are probably Lurotin by BASF or some other SYNTHETIC vitamin. This un-natural vitamin did not fare well in any clinical trial.

    Natural vitamin A is crucial -- just as vitamin D is for the thyroid and every organ in the body for growth, reproduction and anti-proliferative effects.

    Cows may be entirely deficient when compared with grass fed cows. I came across one study where the beef industry made the lovely conclusion that more marbling of the meat was achieved when the cows were fed vitamin-A-deficient feed!

    -G

  • dubyaemgee

    1/23/2009 4:11:00 PM |

    Honestly, this has to be one of the best blogs around!

    My levels are:
    Thyroid Panel with TSH
    TSH 4.326
    Thyroxine (T4) 5.2
    T3 uptake 38
    Free Thyroxine Index 2.0

    I see people referring to T3 and T4 levels, but not sure what "normal" is. My TSH seems high, and I feel as though I exhibit the symptoms of hypothyroidism. Any ideas?

  • Anonymous

    3/10/2009 8:58:00 PM |

    A wonderful endocrinologist in St. Louis named E.J. Cunningham told me that there is no blood test that tells you exactly how much T3 is inside the cells activating the mitochondria.  All of the tests are only approximations.  You must actually take a history and do a physical exam to diagnose hypothyroidism.  The only way to find out  if you are correct is the patients response to T3 or armour thyroid therapy.  If you have positive thyroid autoantibodies, you should be on therapy in most cases.

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