Heart scan tomfoolery 2

In the last Heart Scan Blog post, I discussed the significance of the apparent discrepancy between Steve's heart scan score and volume score. This post addresses his second question, also a FAQ about heart scan scores.

Steve noted that his second scan compared to his first showed:

- Left Main volume went up from 22.4 to 35.6
- LAD went down from 95.2 to 91.3
- LCX volume went down from 23.2 to 0
- RCA volume went up from 0 to 9.3

So there are apparent divergences in behavior in the left main that increased and both LAD (left anterior descending) and LCX (left circumflex) that decreased.

The explanation is simple: When heart scans are "scored," they are viewed in horizontal "slices." When the heart is viewed as horizontal slices, the LAD and LCX originate from the common left main stem. In other words, it's like a tree with the left mainsteam representing the trunk, the LAD and LCX representing two main branches.

Plaque can form, obviously, in all three arteries, but it can do so by starting in the left main, for instance, and extending into either the LAD or LCX, or both. The left main plaque can therefore bridge any 2 or all 3 arteries.

When the plaque is "scored" by taking the computer mouse and circling the calcified plaque in question (to allow the computer program to generate the calcium score and volume score of that particular plaque), the plaque that may extend from left main into the LAD and/or LCX might be labeled "left main," or it might be labeled "LAD" or "LCX." There is no reliable way to "dissect" apart the plaque into the three arteries, since the plaque is coalescent and continuous. So the scoring technologist or physician simply arbitrarily declares the artery "LAD," for instance.

The problem comes when two different interpretation methods are used: Perhaps it's a new technologist or physician, or there was no attention paid to how the previous scan was read. One reader calls it "left main" and the next calls it "LCX."

So the apparent discrepancy has to do with flaws in the methods of segregating plaque location, as well as inattention to scoring techniques. The total score, however, remains unaffected.

Nonetheless, Steve has enjoyed a modest reduction in the score of the left main/LAD/LCX from his original 140.8 down to a second left main/LAD/LCX score of 126.9.

The right coronary artery (RCA), however, is not subject to this difficulty and Steve score shows a modest increase in score. (Why the divergent behavior between left main/LAD/LCX and RCA? There is no clear explanation for this, unfortunately.)

All in all, the news for Steve is good: He achieved these results on his own using nutritional techniques. Because he, in all practicality, stopped the progression of his heart scan score and avoided the "natural" rate of increase of 30% per year, all he needs to do is "tweak" his program a bit to achieve reversal, i.e., reduction of score.


Here's an image from another previous Heart Scan Blog post (about the relationship of osteoporosis and coronary disease) that shows such a plaque that starts in the left mainstem yet extends into both the LAD and LCX:

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  • Leigh

    11/9/2010 8:14:33 PM |

    I am concerned about the amount of radiation in one heart scan, not to mention having one done every year or even five years. When I called my hospital and inquired about the amount of heart scan radiation, I was told it was equivalent to about 30 chest x-rays.

    If I gain knowledge of my heart's condition, but end up with cancer, what have I accomplished?

  • Dr. William Davis

    11/10/2010 12:39:42 AM |

    Hi, Leigh--

    Your hospital told you wrong.

    A 64-slice MDCT device exposes you to around 8 chest x-rays equivalent of radiation. Not great, but not bad.

    Too bad there's no alternative.

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Can CRP be reduced?

Can CRP be reduced?

The JUPITER study has sparked a lot of discussion about c-reactive protein, or CRP.

If we follow the line of reasoning that prompted this study, reducing CRP may correlate with reduction of cardiovascular events. Thus, in the JUPITER study, Crestor 20 mg per day reduced cardiovascular events by nearly half.

From a CRP perspective, starting values were 4.2 mg/dl in the Crestor group of the trial, 4.3 mg/dl in the placebo group. After 24 months, CRP in the Crestor group was 2.2 mg/dl, 3.5 mg/dl in the placebo group, representing a 37% reduction.

Now, in our Track Your Plaque program--an experience that has yielded the virtual ELIMINATION of cardiovascular events--we aim for a CRP level of 1.0 mg/dl or less, ideally 0.5 mg/dl or less. The majority of people achieve these ambitious levels. In fact, it is a rare person who does not.

How do we achieve dramatic reductions in CRP? We use:

--Weight loss through elimination of wheat and cornstarch--This yields impressive reductions.

--Vitamin D--I have no doubt whatsoever of vitamin D's capacity to exert potent anti-inflammatory effects. I am not entirely sure why this happens (enhanced sensitivity to insulin, reduced expression of tissue inflammatory proteins like matrix metalloproteinase and others, etc.), but the effect is profound.

--Elimination of junk foods--like candies, cookies, pretzels, rice cakes, potato chips, etc.

--Exercise--Amplifies the benefits of diet on CRP reduction.

--Not allowing saturated fats to dominate--Yes, yes, I know. The demonization of saturated fat conversation has been largely replaced by the Taubesian saturated fat has not been confidently linked to heart disease conversation. But controlled feeding studies, in which a single component of diet is manipulated (e.g., saturated vs. monounsaturated vs. polyunsaturated fat) have clearly shown that saturated fats do activate several factors in the inflammatory response.

--Fish oil--Though I am a firm believer in the huge benefits of omega-3 fatty acid supplementation/restoration, the anti-inflammatory effect is modest from a CRP perspective. However, there are anti-inflammatory benefits beyond that of simple CRP (via normalization of eicosanoid metabolism and other pathways).

--Weight loss--A BIG effect. Weight loss drops CRP like a stone. The CRP-reducing effect is especially large if achieved via carbohydrate reduction.

Of course, this is much more complicated than taking a pill. But it is effective to achieve health benefits outside of cardiovascular risk, is enormously useful as part of a weight loss effort, and doesn't cost $1400 per year like Crestor.

In short, if CRP reduction is the goal, it certainly does not have to involve Crestor.

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  • stephen_b

    11/13/2008 7:23:00 PM |

    Here are a couple of data points:

    2007-10: Vit D 25-hydroxy: 34.7 ng/mL
    CRP: 0.33 mg/L

    2008-05: Vit D 25-hydroxy: 39.7 ng/mL
    CRP: 0.26 mg/L

    I don't know how significant it is, but increasing vitamin D levels for me resulted in a better CRP.

    StephenB

  • Anonymous

    11/13/2008 7:48:00 PM |

    Were the controlled feeding studies done on high carb diets?  Are there any studies like this on low carb diets?  I think Cassandra Forsythe studied the short term  difference between MUFA/omega 3 and saturated fat on a eucaloric low carb diet but I don't believe she has finished writing her thesis yet and I don't know if she checked CRP.  It seems to me that a high carb diet amounts to a high saturated fat diet since what the body does with the carbs is make it into saturated fat, no?  So eating a lot of saturated fat on a low carb diet may well amount to less saturated fat in the body than eating lots of carbs on a low fat/saturated fat diet.  Wait a minute, don't i remember hearing about a study like that?

  • Jenny

    11/13/2008 8:10:00 PM |

    Dr. Davis,

    Can't you extract data from cases from your files and publish in one of the journals?

    One problem I have always had with Dr. Atkins is that he made a lot of claims but never published a single study using data from the thousands of cases he claimed to have had.

    You have the credential to report your results to mainstream journals. I see plenty of doctor-published studies with tiny numbers of participants, as few as 10 (completely statistically meaningless!) If you have hundreds or thousands, why not analyze the data and publish. That way it goes from "anecdotal" to peer-reviewed.

    Yes, it is a lot of work, but that is the kind of work that helps everyone. You might be able to find a grad student in epidemiology or a related field to help you with the number crunching, too.

  • Anonymous

    11/13/2008 10:08:00 PM |

    How about getting dental/periodontal inflammation cleared up?

  • Jeff Consiglio

    11/13/2008 10:10:00 PM |

    "But controlled feeding studies, in which a single component of diet is manipulated (e.g., saturated vs. monounsaturated vs. polyunsaturated fat) have clearly shown that saturated fats do activate several factors in the inflammatory response."

    I tend to agree with you that animal based long-chain saturated fatty acids may not be quite as benign as some in the low-carb community assert. But was wondering if you had an opinion on the medium-chain saturated fatty acids in coconut oil?

  • Anonymous

    11/14/2008 12:50:00 AM |

    I absolutely agree with you, Dr. Davis. I am living proof that your wellness plan works.

  • Anne

    11/14/2008 1:00:00 AM |

    Years ago my hs-CRP was over 13. I tried taking 3 different statins and they all caused muscle pain.

    My hs-CRP has slowly fallen as I tried to optimize my health with lifestyle changes. It is now 3 - not perfect, but much better. I have lost about 25lbs. I have eliminated gluten(wheat, barley, rye) and rarely eat any grain. Junk food is out except for a small piece of dark chocolate. Trying to get my vitamin D to optimal. Through food choices I am keeping my blood glucose from spiking.  I take fish oil. I exercise....oops, I should say I still need get on an exercise program. Maybe exercise will bring down the CRP to <1.

    Yup, I agree, CRP can be decreased without statins. I wonder if decreasing CRP through lifestyle changes is more beneficial than reducing it with a pill? It would be nice to see such a study, but I don't think that will happen.

  • Anonymous

    11/14/2008 1:36:00 AM |

    I tried these measures and reduced my hs-CRP to less than 0.2. It works.

  • Anonymous

    11/14/2008 7:23:00 AM |

    Part of the confusion over saturated fats could be that UN-saturated fats have been shown to deaden our immune system, while saturated fats had no effect. [1][2]

    So any comparison of the two in patients with growing inflammation will appear to show greater inflammation with sat fats.

    Deadening our immune system can be helpful if for some reason we have chronic inflammation (like atherosclerosis) or an autoimmune disease, but deaden our immunity too much and cancer deadens us instead.

    I'd prefer to find the cause of the inflammation, address it, and keep my immune system at full strength with more sat fats.

    Saturated fats also convert our most dangerous LDL subclasses to the harmless varieties, resulting in very little of the dangerous LDL IIIa, IIIb, and IVb subclasses.  It also boosts our most helpful HDL subclass 2b.

    I'd guess the studies you referred to used hydrogenated saturated fats [they were STILL making that mistake even in 1994!] or fats from grain-fed animals which are high in omega-6. Both of those WILL raise inflammation. I like to stick to grass-fed meats and dairy whenever possible.

  • The Vitamin Tutor

    11/14/2008 7:46:00 AM |

    Let's not forget vitamin C. Cheap. Proven effective in multiple clinical studies. Safe.

    http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2008/11/12_vitaminc.shtml

  • Olga

    11/14/2008 2:09:00 PM |

    Hi Dr. Davis:

    I was wondering if you read Michael Eades review of the Jupitor study.  It can be found on his protien power blog site at:

    http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/cardiovascular-disease/1853/#more-1853

  • Olga

    11/14/2008 3:43:00 PM |

    Hi Dr. Davis:

    Have you come across a recent research paper which showed significant reduction of arterial calcification after administration of vitamin K to rats.  Very compeling research published in April 2007, by Dr. Cees Vermeer and his group.  Here is a link to a review of the paper with a link to the actual research paper.  Keep up the great work!

    yhttp://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/11/can-vitamin-k2-reverse-arterial.htmlou

  • Dr. Dwight Lundell

    11/16/2008 1:55:00 PM |

    Dr. Davis,
    The reduction in events was not 55% but O.O9% you continue to fall into the dishonest use of statistics by the statin makers. the number needed to treat to avoid one event is 120! The jupiter study and the
    Vytorin study should clearly show that LDL reduction has little benefit and is only a marker for a poor diet. The LDL theory is dead.
    That said your program is right on the mark, reduction of carbohydrate intake, exercise and fish  oil along with vitamin D will do more to save lives and prevent heart attack than all the statins on the world.

  • Anonymous

    11/16/2008 1:59:00 PM |

    I'm reading a new book from Ulf Ravnskov, Fat and Cholesterol is Healthy. Saturated fat seems to be harmless after Ulf's researh of all relevant studies.
    I've also read a lot on Weston A Price and it seems that saturated fat was dominating the fats in the food of the native americans (healty ones). In sweden, a doctor reviewed almost every study that said "saturated fat is bad" and came up with the conclusion that not a single study we're trusted. Also beacuse a lot of studies said the opposite.
    Wille, Sweden. Low Carb High Fat for 3 years.

  • Nancy LC

    11/24/2008 4:32:00 PM |

    This is tangentially related to your posting but I thought you might be able to comment on, or be interested in reading about, the types of fat found in "atherosclerotic plaques and xanthomas".  Here's a link to the abstract: http://www.jlr.org/cgi/content/abstract/24/10/1329

    Some interesting individual fats were palmitic (16:0) 12.7%, stearic (18:0) 1.5%, oleic (18:1) 25.5%, linoleic (18:2) 38.1%, arichidonic (20:4) 8.3%, EPA (20:5) 0.7%, and DHA (22:6) 0.6%

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    11/3/2010 2:33:17 PM |

    --Weight loss--A BIG effect. Weight loss drops CRP like a stone. The CRP-reducing effect is especially large if achieved via carbohydrate reduction.

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