Lipoprotein testing

This is an update of a post I made about a year ago. However, I'm reposting it since the question comes up so often.


How can I get my lipoproteins tested?
This question came up on our recent online chat session and comes up frequently phone calls and e-mails.

If lipoprotein testing is the best way to uncover hidden causes of coronary heart disease, but your doctor is unable, unknowledgeable, or unwilling to help you, then what can you do?

There are several options:

1) Get the names of physicians who will obtain and interpret the test for you. That’s the best way. However, it is also the most difficult. Lipoprotein testing, despite over a decade of considerable scientific exploration and validation in thousands of research publications, still remains a sophisticated tool that only specialists in lipids will use. But this provides you with the best information on you’re your lipoproteins mean.
2) If you don’t have a doctor who can provide lipoprotein testing and interpretation, go to the websites for the three labs that actually perform the lipoprotein tests: www.liposcience.com (NMR); www.berkeleyheartlab.com (electropheresis or GGE); www.atherotech.com (ultracentrifugation). None of them will provide you with the names of actual physicians. They can provide you with the name of a local representative who will know (should know) which doctors in your area are well-acquainted with their technology. I prefer this route to just having a representative identify a laboratory in your area where the blood sample can be drawn, because you will still need a physician to interpret the results¾this is crucial. The test is of no use to you unless someone interprets it intelligently and understands the range of treatment possibilities available. Don’t be persuaded by your doctor if he/she agrees to have the blood drawn but has never seen the test before. This will be a waste of your time. That’s like hoping the kid next door can fix your car just because he says he fixed his Mom’s car once. Interpretation of lipoproteins takes time, education, and experience.

3) Seek out a lipidologist. Lipidologists are the new breed of physician who has sought out additional training and certification in lipid and lipoprotein disorders. Sometimes they’re listed in the yellow pages, or you can search online in your area. One drawback: Most lipidologists have been heavily brainwashed by the statin industry and tend to be heavy drug users.

4) Contact us. I frankly don’t like doing this because I feel that I can only provide limited information through this method and, frankly, it is very time consuming. I provide a written discussion of the implications and choices for treatment with the caveat to discuss them with your doctor, since I can’t provide medical advice without a formal medical relationship. We also charge $75 for the interpretation. But it’s better than nothing.

5) Make do with basic testing. Basic lipids along with a lipoprotein(a), C-reactive protein, fibrinogen, and homocysteine would provide a reasonable facsimile of lipoprotein testing. You’ll still lack small LDL and postprandial (after-eating) information, but you can still do reasonably well if you try to achieve the Track Your Plaque targets of 60-60-60. It’s sometimes a necessary compromise.

Our discussions on the Track Your Plaque Forum have impressed me with the difficulty many people encounter in getting lipoproteins drawn and interpreted. Some of our Members have been very resourceful identifying blood draw laboratories around the country, such as Lab Safe, that will at least provide the blood draw service.

I wish it was easier and we are working on some ideas to facilitate this nationwide. It will take time.

In 20 years, this will be a lot easier when doctors more commonly use lipoprotein testing. But for now, you can still obtain reasonably good results choosing one of the above alternatives.

Is it exercise or diet?

Wayne, a 61-year old retired school superintendent, had been an exercise fanatic all his adult life. If not running long distances and occasional marathons, he'd bike up to 70 miles a day. He did this year-round. In cold weather, he set his bicycle up on an indoor device and also ran on a treadmill and added weight training.

That's why it was kind of surprising that he sported a large belly. At 5 ft 8 inch and 190 lbs, that put his Body Mass Index (BMI) also high at 28.8 (desirable <25). You'd think that vigorous, almost extreme, exercise like this would guarantee a slender build.

Wayne also had lipoproteins to match: triglycerides 205 mg/dl, LDL 176 mg/dl but LDL particle number much higher at 2403 nmol/l (an effective LDL of 240 mg/dl); 75% of LDL particles were small.

I asked Wayne about his diet. "I eat healthy. Cheerios for breakfast usually. Some days I'll skip breakfast. Lunch is almost always a sandwich: tuna, turkey, something like that on whole wheat bread or a whole wheat bagel. Chips, too, but I guess that's not too healthy. Dinners vary and we eat pretty healthy. Almost never pizza or junk like that."

"Pasta?" I asked.

"Oh. sure. Two or three tiems a week. Always whole wheat. With a salad."

Wayne was well aware of the conventional advice for whole grains and, indeed, had been trying to increase his intake, particularly since his basic cholesterol numbers had been high in past. To his surprise, the more he tried at diet, the more LDL seemed to go up, as did triglycerides.

I see this situation every day: The obsession with processed carbohydrate foods, worsened by the message perpetuated by the American Heart Association, the USDA Food Pyramid, Kraft, Kelloggs, Post, etc. Eat more fiber, eat whole grains.

NY Times columnist, Jane Brody, chronicles her (embarassing) mis-adventure following the same mis-guided advice in Cutting Cholesterol, an Uphill Battle.

According to the USDA Food Pyramid, Wayne is not getting enough grains and whole grains, particularly since he is highly physically active. Consistent with the message given by the food industry: "Eat more!"

The food industry-supported Whole Grain Council advises:

Whole Grains at Every Meal
The US Dietary Guidelines recommend meeting the daily requirement by eating three "ounce-equivalents" of breads, rolls, cereals or other grain foods made with 100% whole grains. A slice of bread or a serving of breakfast cereal usually weighs about an ounce.

Want an easier way to think about it? Just look at your plate at each meal, and make sure you've included some source of whole grains. That's why our slogan is "Whole Grains at Every Meal."



By this scheme, if you are overweight, it's because you lack fiber and you're too inactive. "Get up and go!" It's not the diet, they say, it's you!

See through this for what it is: Nonsense. Wayne was overweight, packing 20 extra pounds in his abdomen from his over-dependence on processsed carbohydrates--"whole grains"--not from inactivity.

Instant heart disease reversal


What if reversal of heart disease--regression of coronary atherosclerotic plaque--were achievable instantly? Just add water and--voila!!

To my knowledge, it is not--yet. But I sometimes play with this idea in my head. I could imagine that such a program would consist of a few essential elements:

--A fast or semi-fast, or at least a very spare diet, over a period like 10 days to promote net catabolism. It is also supremely anti-inflammatory to restrict calories.

--High-dose vitamin D, e.g., 20,000 units per day of D3 to fully replenish depleted stores and achieve all the metabolism-correcting effects of D3 restoration.

--EPA + DHA at a higher than usual dose with frequent throughout-the-day dosing to encourage replacement of cellular lipid constituents with the more stable omega-3 fraction of fatty acids.

Beyond this, I'm uncertain. What role l-arginine, statins, niacin . . . conjugated linoleic acid? ApoA1 Milano infusions?

This is simply whimsical at this point. I don't know if such an approach would work. But if it did, you might imagine that it would offer an opportunity--for the properly motivated--as an alternative treatment for angina, advanced coronary disease, a means to pull someone back from the brink.

With the insights gained from our slow-but-powerful Track Your Plaque approach, perhaps we will also gain insights into how to accelerate such a process of reversal so that it is achievable in days, rather than months or years.

The small LDL epidemic

Ten years ago, small LDL was fairly common, affecting approximately 50% of the patients I'd see. For instance, an LDL particle number of 1800 nmol/l would be 40-50% small LDL in about half the people.

But in the last few years, I've witnessed an explosion in the proportion of people with small LDL, which now exceeds 80-90% of people. The people who show small LDL also show more severe patterns. 80-90% small LDL is not uncommon.

Why the surge in the small LDL pattern? Two reasons: 1) The extraordinary surge in excess weight and obesity, both of which favor formation of small LDL particles, and 2) over-reliance on processed carbohydrates, especially wheat-based convenience foods.

The constant media din that parrots such nonsense as the report on CNN Health website, Healthful Breakfast Tips to Keep You Fueled All Day, helps perpetuate this misguided advice. The dietitian they quote states:

"If you don't like what you're eating, you won't stick with it. If your choices aren't the most nutritious, small tweaks can make them more healthful. For example, if you have a sweet tooth in the morning, try a piece of nutty whole-grain bread spread with a tablespoon each of almond butter (it's slightly sweeter than peanut butter) and fruit preserves instead of eating foods that offer sweetness but little nutritional benefit, like doughnuts or muffins. If you enjoy egg dishes but don't have time to prepare your favorite before work, try microwaving an egg while toasting two slices whole wheat or rye (whole-grain) bread. Add a slice of low-fat cheese for a healthful breakfast sandwich that's ready in minutes. And don't overlook leftovers. If you feel like cold pizza (which contains antioxidant-filled tomato sauce, calcium-rich cheese, and lots of veggies), have it. It's a good breakfast that's better than no breakfast at all."

It sure sounds healthy, but it's same worn advice that has resulted in a nation drowning in obesity. The food choices advocated by this dietitian keep us fat. It also perpetuates this epidemic of small LDL particles.

If you have small LDL and its good friend, low HDL, it's time for elimination of wheat products, not some politically-correct silliness about increasing fiber by eating whole grains. Whole grains create small LDL! Or, I should say, what passes as whole grains on the supermarket shelves.

For some helpful commentary on this issue, see Fanatic Cook's latest post, Playing with Grains.

Mini-dose CTA?

I caught this little news report in the online edition of Canyon News , an LA paper, under the title Cedars-Sinai Develops Test to Prevent Heart Attacks .

They report that Dr. Daniel S. Berman M.D., chief of Cardiac Imaging and Nuclear Cardiology at Cedars-Sinai, reports that a new method of performing CT coronary angiography, "mini-dose CTA," has been developed that allows both coronary calcium scoring as well as CT coronary angiography (CTA) at a dose as low as 10% of standard dose. No technical details were provided.

Now, that may be worth knowing more about. If this is true, then CTA may indeed be useful as a "screening" procedure. However, we are going to need to know more: What devices are capable of doing this, what settings on the devices were used, etc. It does indeed come from a reputable source in Dr. Dan Berman, who is well known in nuclear cardiology circles.

We will try and dig for info. Stay tuned.

Wheat-free and weight loss

With a heart scan score of 1222, Leslie could be in deep trouble in short order.

At 64 years old, Leslie had gained nearly 40 lbs since she'd given up a lot of her activities caring for a husband who'd developed psychological difficulties and stopped contributing to the household duties. A tall woman at 5 ft 9 inches, she held her 202 lbs well, but her lipoprotein patterns were a disaster:

--LDL particle number 2482 nmol/l--an equivalent LDL cholesterol of 248 mg/dl (drop the last digit)
--HDL 38 mg/dl
--Triglycerides 241 mg/dl
--90% of LDL particles were small
--Lipoprotein(a) 240 nmol/l

Blood sugar was in the pre-diabetic range at 112 mg/dl, C-reactive protein was high at 3.0 mg/l, blood pressure was somewhat high at 140/84.

Now, with the exception of lipoprotein(a), these patterns are exquisitely weight-sensitive. A reduction in weight would yield effects superior to any medication I could give her.

Processed wheat products were a big problem for Leslie: whole wheat bread, pretzels for snacks, whole wheat pasta. Yes, they sound healthy, even endorsed by the American Heart Association, often bearing "heart healthy" labels on the packages. Don't you believe it.

In particular, Leslie had the number one cause for heart disease in America: small LDL particles, a pattern that is magnified 30-70% by wheat products. Endorsed by the Heart Association? (As I often tell people, if you want heart disease, follow the diet advocated by the American Heart Association.)

Leslie was skeptical, worried that she would be hungry all the time and would have virtually nothing left to eat. Instead, when she returned to the office three months later, she reported that eating was easy, finding healthy foods not containing wheat was easier than she thought, she felt great, finding more energy than she'd had in years.

She'd also shed 30 lbs.

Leslie's lipoprotein patterns also reflected the weight loss. She achieved her 60:60:60 Track Your Plaque lipid targets, small LDL shrunk dramatically, blood sugar and blood pressure were back in normal ranges.

I see results like Leslie's several times every week. For those of us with patterns like Leslie's, or just obesity that accumulates in the abdomen, going wheat-free is among the most powerful single strategies I know of.

If you need convincing, try an experiment. Eliminate--not reduce, but eliminate wheat products from your diet, whether or not the fancy label on the package says it's healthy, high in fiber, a "healthy low-fat snack", etc. This means no bread, pasta, crackers, cookies, breads, chips, pancakes, waffles, breading on chicken, rolls, bagels, cakes, breakfast cereal. I find elimination of wheat easier than just cutting back. I believe this is because wheat is powerfully addictive. It's very similar to telling an alcoholic that a drink now and then is okay--it just doesn't work. They need to be alcohol-free. Most of us need to be wheat-free, not just cut back.

You won't be hungry if you replace the lost calories with plenty of raw almonds, walnuts, pecans, sunflower and pumpkin seeds; more liberal use of healthy olive oil, canola oil and flaxseed oil; adding ground flaxseed and oat bran to yogurt, cottage cheese, etc.; and more lean proteins like lean beef, chicken, turkey, fish, and eggs.

The majority of people who go wheat-free lose weight, sometimes dramatically. Most people also feel better: more energy, more alert, better sleep, less mood swings. Time and again, people who try this will tell me that the daytime grogginess they've suffered and lived with for years, and would treat with loads of caffeine, is suddenly gone. They cruise through their day with extra energy.

Even without weight loss, going wheat-free usually raises HDL, reduces the dreaded small LDL dramtically. It also reduces triglycerides, blood sugar, C-reactive protein, blood pressure. Blood sugar control in diabetics is far easier, with less fluctuations and sharp rises in blood sugar.

Success at this also yields great advantage for your heart scan score control and reversal efforts.

Collective wisdom


As public consciousness and knowledge about health issues grows, thanks to the internet and other media, I predict that:

1) Hospitals will recede into a role of acute and catastrophic care ONLY, dropping the charade of providing health, which they do NOT.

2) Doctors and other health professionals will begin to see themselves as providers of acute and catastrophic care, also. They will stop providing day to day care, such as treating high blood pressure, cholesterol, breast exams, and other preventive maintenance.

3) Instead, preventive care will be self-provided. The public will have acquired sufficient savvy and know-how to manage issues like blood pressure themselves. They will need the assistance of helpful information resources, web-based for the most part. Much preventive care can, in fact, be algorithm-driven, just like following a simple recipe.

All the worries about runaway health care costs will be much reduced, since excessive testing driven by liability worries will disappear, repeated office visits for day-to-day issues will go away. Yes, you will need a doctor and hospital for a broken leg, car accident, unexpected cancer, or non-compliance or neglect of prevention.

But osteoporosis, high blood pressure, nutrition, weight loss, hormone management, cholesterol issues, minor complaints will all be managed by people themselves with the assistance of web-based knowledge systems.

I already sense this sort of phenomeonon developing, though in its infancy, in venues like the Track Your Plaque Forum and other health portals, places where the information being discussed exceeds the quality of information you can obtain from your doctor. Over and over again, for instance, the sophistication and knowledge demonstrated by our Track Your Plaque Forum discussions shows that the public is capable of far more understanding of health issues than many previously believed. Most of our members could carry on a credible conversation with trained lipid experts. The knowledge base of our members exceeds that of 98% of most of my colleagues when it comes to heart scans, lipoproteins, and nutrition.

I am in awe of Wikipedia, the popular online encyclopedia. Five 20- and 30-somethings have created a knowledge base that has now eclipsed Encyclopedia Britannica in size and scope, with equivalent accuracy, and relatively little cost. I'd like to see the same phenomenon occur in health care information, helping to usurp the current paternalistic "I'll tell you what to do" model.

Success--Slow but sure

John is a gentleman.

At age 76, he continues to teach at a local college. He's a delight to talk to, having written several scholarly books on religious topics. He's a fountain of knowledge on religious history and the roots of faith.

John is one of those incurably optimistic people, always greeting me with a smile and a warm handshake. I can't help but linger for a hour or so to talk with John, unfortunately disrupting my office schedule miserably.

John is another Track Your Plaque success story. Though he didn't set any records in reduction of his heart scan score, he did it simply by adhering to the program over a period of two years, succeeding slowly but surely.

John's first heart scan score: 1190, a score that carries as much as a 25% annual risk for heart attack. Among the list of causes was an LDL cholesterol in the 170 mg/dl range, along with an LDL particle number that verified the accuracy of LDL.

Among John's suggested treatments was a statin drug, since I was not confident he could reduce LDL with diet and nutritional modifications sufficiently to safely reduce both LDL and his risk for heart attack. But he proved terribly intolerant to any dose of any statin, with incapacitating and strange side-effects, like head-to-toe itching, abdominal cramps and diarrhea. It was clear: John needed to do the program without benefit of a statin drug.

I therefore asked John to maximize all efforts that reduce LDL, 70% of which were small LDL paricles despite his very slender build. He used oat bran and ground flaxseed daily, raw nuts, a soy protein smoothie every morning, and eliminated wheat and other high-glycemic index foods (including the Oreos he loved to snack on). Because the mis-adventures with statin drugs wasted nearly a year, I asked John to undergo another heart scan. Score 2: 1383, a 16% increase.

I asked John to keep on going. Thankfully, he did manage to tolerate fish oil, niacin (though it required over a year just to get to a 1000 mg per day dose), and vitamin D. With all these efforts, he did reduce LDL to the 80-90 mg/dl range. Of course, John's unflagging optimism was crucial. He did express his occasional anxiety over his heart scan score, but dealt with it in a logical, philosophical way. He understood that there was no role for prophylactic stents or bypass, and he accepted that much of his program rested on his ability to adhere to the strategies we advised.

Another year later, a 3rd heart scan: 1210, a 12% reduction.

I'm very proud of John and his success. When you think about it, he succeeded in conquering heart disease with some very simple tools, minus statin drugs. It can be done, but requires consistency and patience--and an optimistic outlook.

Vitamin D and octagenarians

Roger practically bounced in his chair vibrating with energy.

"It must be the vitamin D! I haven't felt like this in years. I can work around the yard all day and still have energy left over."

At age 84, Roger started out with pretty good health, despite a prosthetic valve and bypass surgery 5 years earlier. He looked 74, perhaps younger.

I've seen this effect now in about 20 octagenarians. A Track Your Plaque Member mentioned this same effect in his father-in-law in a discussion in our Forum. Most are taking around 6000-8000 units per day (gelcap, of course). The average dose of vitamin D tends to be higher in this age group, since by age 80, you've essentially lost the capacity to convert 7-hydrocholesterol to active vitamin D3 in the skin. Most octagenarians start with 25-OH-vitamin D3 levels of 10 ng/ml or less--profound deficiency.

I believe the effect is real, having now witnessed it multiple times. Unfortunately, my observations are too informal to qualify as a study. (I wouldn't even know how to quantify this. I suppose some sort of muscle and coordination testing might yield quantifiable measures.) However, there are some data emerging that show less fractures, falls, improved coordination, and perhaps improved memory and mentation with vitamin D supplementation, though doses often used in studies tend to be lower than what we are using in practice.

I haven't been so excited about the effects of a nutritional supplement in a long time. Vitamin D continues to yield surprises every day in its array of positive and powerful effects.

Could we say that vitamin D restores youthfulness?
Melatonin for high blood pressure?

Melatonin for high blood pressure?

Melatonin is fascinating stuff.

In addition to its use as a sleep aid, melatonin exerts possible effects on cardiovascular parameters, including anti-oxidative action on LDL, reduction in sympathetic (adrenaline-driven) tone, and reduction in blood pressure.

Several studies document the blood pressure-reducing effect of melatonin:

Daily nighttime melatonin reduces blood pressure in male patients with essential hypertension.

Melatonin reduces night blood pressure in patients with nocturnal hypertension.

Prolonged melatonin administration decreases nocturnal blood pressure in women.

Blood pressure-lowering effect of melatonin in type 1 diabetes.


But blood pressure may be increased when melatonin is added to nifedipine, a calcium channel blocker:

Cardiovascular effects of melatonin in hypertensive patients well controlled by nifedipine: a 24-hour study.


Effects on BP tend to be modest, on the order of 5-8 mmHg reduction in systolic, half that in diastolic.

But don't pooh-pooh such small reductions, however, as small reductions exert mani-fold larger reductions in cardiovascular events like heart attack and stroke. NIH-sponsored NHANES data (see JNC VII), for example, document a doubling of risk for each increment of BP of 20/10. The Camelot Study demonstrated a reduction in cardiovascular events from 23% in placebo subjects to 16.7% in subjects taking amlodipine (Norvasc) with a 5 mm reduction in systolic pressure, 2 mmHg drop in diastolic pressure. Small changes, big benefits.

Many people take melatonin at bedtime and are disappointed with the effects. However, a much better way is to take melatonin several hours before bedtime, e.g., take at 7 pm to fall asleep at 10 pm. Don't think of melatonin as a sleeping pill; think of it as a sleep hormone, something that simply prepares your body for sleep by slowing heart rate, reducing body temperature, and reducing blood pressure. (You may need to modify the interval between taking melatonin and sleep, since individual responsiveness varies quite a bit.)

I also favor the sustained-release preparations, e.g., 5 mg sustained-release. Immediate-release, while it exerts a more rapid onset of sleep, allows you to wake up prematurely, The sustained-release preparations last longer and allow longer sleep.

The dose varies with age, with 1 mg effective in people younger than 40 years, higher doses of 3, 5, even 10 or 12 mg in older people. Sustained-release preparations also should be taken in slightly higher doses.

The only side-effect I've seen with melatonin is vivid, colorful dreams. Perhaps that's a plus!

Comments (15) -

  • Jeanne Shepard

    5/10/2008 2:27:00 PM |

    I've hears that you can take melatonin too long, that is build up a tolerance.
    Any thoughts? I prefer it to other sleep aides, otherwise.

  • Anonymous

    5/10/2008 9:15:00 PM |

    After reading the article, I'm going to give melatonin a try.  Bought a bottle of 1mg tablets.

  • Michael

    5/10/2008 11:09:00 PM |

    I don't know if I have a weird body or something, but melatonin doesn't agree with me at all. It makes me a tiny bit groggy when I take it, but it turns me into a zombie the next day. Even small doses, like 1-2grams, basically makes me feel like I didn't sleep at all that night, and I feel crummy all day.

  • Jenny

    5/11/2008 11:33:00 AM |

    Dr. Davis,

    I have taken melantonin for many years and it helps me not only sleep, but get back to sleep if I wake up in the middle of the night.

    I've found a huge difference in the effectiveness of various company's pills. Trader Joe's for example, don't work for me at all. Schiff work very well.

    I was told years ago to take 1/4 of a pill for best results, and that is what I do. That works better than a larger amount for me.

  • Anne

    5/12/2008 1:10:00 AM |

    I have found melatonin to be very helpful. I go to sleep easily and I stay asleep. After I had bypass 8years ago, I was unable to sleep more than an 4-6 hours without Ambien. 8 months ago I started taking melatonin. It did not work right away, but after a few weeks I started to sleep very well and I have not had to restort to Ambien since. I take 3mg.

    I take 25mg metoprolol, a Beta blockers and found out that BB's decrease melatonin. Found this info through the internet, not my doctor.  

    My BP has been well controlled, even at night so I never checked to see if it went lower with melatonin.

  • Jeanne Shepard

    5/12/2008 3:24:00 AM |

    Jenny,

    Have you ever been told that you can't take it for a long period of time?
    I'd like to keep taking it, but was told not to.

    Jeanne

  • JohnN

    5/15/2008 2:01:00 AM |

    I have been taking melatonin for years and credit it with restorative sleep and general good health.
    Even so, my success rate is only about 70%. I discover that the amount of melatonin (in the blood) for a good night sleep (the desired effect) is a very small fraction of the oral dose that you can take. The difference is how the body (liver) metabolizes the substance. You really have to experiment to find the right dose for yourself; more is not better.
    For someone to try it for the very first time start at .1-.2 mg (a very small chunk of the tablet) and modify the dose accordingly.
    Do not think of it the same way as Ambien. It's best function is to ease you into sleep.
    Good luck.

  • Ann Theresa

    9/27/2008 1:59:00 PM |

    I am so hot at night that when I sleep, I wake up because of it.  I started taking my blood pressure upon waking and found it to be high.  160 or so over  90-95. I could feel the way my body felt. My blood pressure during the day is usually 115-120 over 70.  I knew I was peri menepausal, so the hormone thing was very suspect. After a lot of research, I decided to start taking 3 mg Melatonin. I checked with my doctor and he was catching up with me on his computer as we spoke.It was funny!  But anyway....I have been on these for about 3-4 weeks now and find that although I'm still warm when sleeping,  I am in a deeper sleep. My blood pressure now upon waking is about 123-125 over 82-83.  I have seen a significant improvement in lower blood pressure.  I will add that I have been walking daily and started taking a B complex also before bed.  I take my melatonin just before bedtime.  I have never had any problems with falling asleep. So the timing of use should be adjusted for when you need it.  I would much rather take this hormone than take the blood pressure medicine my doctor was so fast to offer.

  • Anonymous

    11/10/2008 7:54:00 PM |

    I swear by melatonin, and recommend the 5mg time release.  For me, it works best if I take it about 30 minutes before bedtime.  The time release eliminates the problems with waking up too early.

    The only time I have problems with feeling groggy is when I don't get enough sleep.  If you take it at midnight, then get up at 5 am, you're going to feel it.  If I know I'm not going to get at least 7-8 hours of sleep, I will skip the melatonin that night so I don't feel groggy.

    I have seen extreme differences in brands, so I think there is something to the comments about the quality of different manufacturers.

    I've never been told not to take it over long periods, but then I didn't ask a doctor about it.  I've noticed a slight tolerance if you take it all the time, so I sometimes will stop taking it for a while to break that cycle.

  • Improve Health Heart

    4/10/2009 3:43:00 PM |

    Hello.

    Your post looks quite interesting.. I never knew that Melatonin is a substance which has such uses.. I had heard of the term anywhere in any book but never took much interest in it..

    But your post spills out quite knowledgeable information definitely this much that it will hold my attention for a long long time..

    I also have a great interest in Heart related issue's and I have created a blog myself for it..

    I hope my posts will also help you gain some info..

  • Jonathan Byron

    4/22/2009 2:44:00 PM |

    There is some interesting research that suggests that melatonin is one factor that reduces insulin secretion at night.

  • TedHutchinson

    9/6/2009 6:26:07 PM |

    Oxidized-LDL and Fe3+
    /Ascorbic Acid-Induced Oxidative
    Modifications and Phosphatidylserine Exposure in Human
    Platelets are Reduced by Melatonin

    Abstract.
    Low-density lipoprotein (LDL) modifications and platelet activation are major risk factors for cardiovascular diseases. When platelets are exposed to oxidative stress, they become activated. Oxidized LDL (ox-LDL) and metal-catalysed oxidation systems such as Fe3+/ascorbic acid increase free radical production.
    We wanted to verify whether melatonin has a protective effect against oxidative modifications and phosphatidylserine externalization in platelets induced by ox-LDL and Fe3+/ascorbic acid.....snip.... These data suggest that melatonin may protect platelets from iron overload-induced and ox-LDL-induced
    oxidative modifications and also from the triggering signals of apoptosis activation, possibly due to its scavenger effect on toxic free radicals.

    The full text of both abstract and paper are the link above.

  • Serg

    7/21/2010 5:52:26 PM |

    This article regarding Melatonin for high blood pressure? is very interesting and useful, blood pressure may affect your sexual activity, and this not only happen to older people as I used to believed, young people can also be affected so you may need  to buy viagra to help yourself on those situations.

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    11/3/2010 4:54:14 PM |

    I also favor the sustained-release preparations, e.g., 5 mg sustained-release. Immediate-release, while it exerts a more rapid onset of sleep, allows you to wake up prematurely, The sustained-release preparations last longer and allow longer sleep.

  • mike

    2/22/2011 11:37:17 AM |

    One such remedy that has gained popularity in recent years is melatonin. Melatonin is a growth hormone naturally produced by the pineal gland in your brain. Melatonin hormones are secreted at night or in the dark and helps regulate the sleeping cycle. It is believed that melatonin may help the body know when it is time to go to sleep and when it's time to wake up. These days, melatonin can be taken in pill form to treat everything from jet lag to insomnia. However, like with all medications, there is the potential for serious melatonin side effects if take with other medications.

    Reference:
    melatonin usage consider your age

    melatonin side effects

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Take a niacin "vacation"

I've been seeing a curious niacin phenomenon that has not, to my knowledge, been reported anywhere in the medical literature.

People with lipoprotein(a), or Lp(a), are best treated with niacin, particularly given the relative lack of other effective therapies. I now have seen approximately 10 people with great initial responses to niacin, only to observe Lp(a) levels slowly drift back up to the starting level over a period of 2-3 years.

In other words, if starting Lp(a) is 200 nmol/l (approximately 80 mg/dl), drops to 70 nmol/l on niacin. Then, over 2-3 years of treatment, it drifts back to 200 nmol/l. Very frustrating.

Somehow, your body's Lp(a) manufacturing mechanism circumvents the niacin, sort of like antibiotic resistance (without the bacteria, of course).

My response to this, though untested, is to have people take an occasional "niacin vacation". I don't mean take a trip to the Bahamas while on niacin. I mean take 2 weeks off from niacin every three months or so. My hope is that the occasional vacation from niacin will allow the body to continue to respond and suppress "resistance". When resuming niacin, you may have to escalate the dose gradually to avoid re-provoking the "flush".

The same "resistance" seems to develop to testosterone in males: an initial drop followed by a gradual increase. Curiously, I've not seen this in females with estrogens, which seems to generate a durable Lp(a) suppressing effect. For this reason, an occasional testosterone "vacation" might also be considered.

So far, I've advised several people to try this. The long-term success or failure, however, is uncertain. I know of no other solutions, however.

If you have Lp(a) and are on long-term niacin, you should consider talking about this issue with your physician. Like many aspects of Lp(a), while fascinating in its complexity, much remains uncertain. Stay tuned.

When LDL is more than meets the eye

Jerry wanted to know what to do with his LDL cholesterol of 112 mg/dl. "My doctor said that it's not high but it could be better."

So I asked him what the other numbers on his lipid panel showed. He pulled out the results:

LDL cholesterol 112 mg/dl

HDL 32 mg/dl

Triglycerides 159 mg/dl


I pointed out to Jerry that, given the low HDL and high triglycerides, his calculated LDL of 112 was likely inaccurate. In fact, if measured, LDL was probably more like 140-180 mg/dl. LDL particles were also virtually guaranteed to be small, since low HDL and small LDL usually go hand-in-hand (though small LDL can still occur with a good HDL).

So Jerry's LDL is really much higher than it appears. To prove it, Jerry will require an additional test, preferably one in which LDL is measured, such as LDL particle number (NMR), apoprotein B, or "direct" LDL.

It's really quite simple. Jerry likely has a high number of LDL particles that are too small. This pattern confers a three- to six-fold increased risk for heart disease.

Treatment requires more than just reducing LDL. Small LDL--an important component of this pattern, responds, for instance, to a reduction in processed carbohydrates like wheat products (breads, breakfast cereals, pretzels, etc.), NOT to a low-fat diet. Weight loss to ideal weight, especially loss of abdominal fat, will yield huge improvements in these numbers. Niacin may be a necessary component of Jerry's treatment program, since it increases LDL size and raises HDL.

For more discussion on measures superior to LDL cholesterol, see my upcoming editorial, Let Dr. Friedewald Lie in Peace (an expansion of a previous Heart Scan Blog). It will be posted on the Cardiologist on Call column on the Track Your Plaque website within the next week.)

Oil-based vitamin D


As time passes, I gain greater and greater respect for the power of restoring vitamin D blood levels to normal, i.e. 50-70 ng/ml. Just yesterday, I saw several people with blood levels of <10 ng/ml--severe deficiency.

Vitamin D deficiency this severe poses long-term risk for osteoporosis, arthritis, colon cancer, prostate cancer, inflammatory diseases, diabetes, and heart disease. Vitamin D appears to make coronary plaque reversal--reduction of your heart scan score--easier and faster.

But it is important that you take the right kind of vitamin D. Several of the people I saw yesterday with vitamin D levels of somebody living in total darkness were taking vitamin D, but they were taking tablets. Tablets are the wrong form. Powder-based tablets, in my experience, yield little or no rise in blood levels. Some preparations generate a small rise but the dose required is huge.

If you're going to take vitamin D, take a preparation that yields genuine and substantial rises in blood levels. This requires an oil-based capsule. I commonly see blood levels of 25-OH-vitamin D3 rise from, say, 10 ng/dl to 60 ng/ml when oil-based capsules are taken.

The most common dose I prescribe to patients is 2000 units per day to females, 3000-4000 units per day to males in non-sun exposed months. Ideally, your dose is adjusted to blood levels.

The Vitamin Shoppe preparation pictured here is one I've used successfully and generates bona fide rises in blood levels. And it costs around $5. Just be sure the preparation you buy is oil-based.

For rapid success, try the "fast" track

Have you tried fasting?

Before your eyes glaze over, let me tell you what I mean. I don't mean a water-only fast for two weeks while you drool over all the temptations around you and you feel sorry for yourself.

I also don't mean the juice fasts that some people use that turn into fruit juice fasts of pure sugar.

Here's another way to do it. Usually, 48 hours of doing this will yield several benefits:

--Weight loss of 1 lb. You will likely experience an even greater weight loss of 2-4 lbs, but much of this will be water loss.

--If you're like me and share a heightened sensitivity to sugars and carbohydrates (like wheat), you may find out just how awful you feel when you eat certain foods. Many people tell me they feel absolutely wonderful when they fast--clearer thinking, increased energy, improved mood. Not the constant gnawing urge to eat they expected.

--After your fast is over, you look back and realize just what large portions of food you were eating. You'll be content with smaller quantities--and enjoy it more.


The "fast" I've used successfully includes two foods:

1) Vegetable juices--that you either juice yourself or purchase. V8 or its equivalent works pretty well. Though purchased V8 is not the best, it's better than nothing and does work reasonably well. If you juice your own vegetable juices, watch out for the diarrhea if you're unaccustomed to vegetable juices. Four 8 oz glasses per day works well.

2) Soy milk--for a source of protein and modest quantity of sugar and fat. I like the Light Silk Soymilk (Vanilla) which contains 80 calories, 2 g fat (0.5 g monounsaturated), 7 g sugar, 6 g protein per 8 oz glass. Four 8 oz glasses of soymilk also work well. In my neighborhood, 8th Continent is another good choice.


Sip both of these throughout the day. Of course, drink water in unrestricted amounts.

What can you expect in your coronary plaque control/heart scan score reversal program? When the fast is over, a rise in HDL, reduction in small LDL, reduction in triglycerides, reduction in blood sugar and insulin, and a smaller tummy. This strategy can be useful to kick-start weight loss efforts or as a periodic way to maintain control over weight and lipid/lipoprotein patterns.


Nutritional Composition Silk Soymilk--Vanilla

Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 1 cup (240mL)
Servings per container 8 H/G OR 4 QT

Amount per Serving

Calories 70
Calories from Fat 20

% Daily Value
Total Fat 2g 3%
Saturated Fat 0g 0%
Trans Fat 0g
Polyunsaturated Fat 1g
Monounsaturated Fat 0.5g

Cholesterol 0mg 0%
Sodium 120mg 5%
Potassium 300mg 8%
Total Carbohydrates 8g 3%
Dietary Fiber 1g 4%
Sugars 6g
Protein 6g
Vitamin A 10%
Vitamin C 0%
Calcium 30%
Iron 6%
Vitamin D 30%
Riboflavin 30%
Folate 6%
Vitamin B12 50%
Magnesium 10%
Zinc 4%
Selenium 8%

No flush = No effect



"Inositol Hexanicotinate is the true 'flushless niacin.' Unlike 'sustained-release' niacin, which is just regular niacin in a pill which dissolves more slowly, Inositol Hexanicotinate is a niacin complex, formed with the B-vitamin-like inositol. When you take an IHN supplement, the central inositol ring gradually releases niacin molecules, one at a time delivering true niacin. This, like “sustained-release” niacin, allows you to take niacin at clinically-proven doses without going crazy with the itch."


That above bit of nonsense adorns one manufacturers sales pitch for its no-flush niacin. No-flush niacin is one of the biggest scams in the health food store.

Ordinarily, I love health food stores. There's lots of fun and interesting things available that pack real power for your health program. Unfortunately, there's also outright nonsense. No-flush niacin is absolute nonsennse.

No-flush niacin is inositol hexaniacinate, or an inositol molecule complexed with 6 niacin molecules. So it really does contain niacin. However, although it works in rats, it exerts no known effect in humans.

Just Friday, a 41-year old woman came to my office for consultation because her doctor didn't know what to do with lipoprotein(a). She had seen a cardiologist who told her to take no-flush niacin. Both the cardiologist and the patient were therefore puzzled when lipoprotein(a) showed no drop and, in fact, was slightly higher on the no-flush preparation.

The lack of any observable effect and no studies whatsoever showing a positive effect (there is one study demonstrating no effect), manufacturers continue to manufacture it and health food stores continue to push it as an alternative to niacin that causes the flush. It's quite expensive, commonly costing $30-$50 for 100 tablets.

Don't fall for this gimmick. Niacin is among the most helpful of treatments for gaining control over coronary plaque. It raises HDL, corrects small LDL, reduces triglycerides (along with its friend, fish oil, of course), reduces lipoprotein(a), and dramatically contributes to reduced heart attack risk. No-flush niacin does none of this. Track Your Plaque Members: For a thorough discussion of niacin--how to use it, what preparations work and which do not, read Niacin: Ins and outs, ups and downs on the www.cureality.com website.

"Black holes" on heart scan


Lots of smokers, especially younger smokers, rationalize their habit by telling themselves that they'll stop if and when any hint of adverse health effects develop.

The problem is that, even in the first decade of smoking, dramatic and profound effects can develop--but you won't know it.

One of the most graphic examples of this I see every day in people who have heart scans. While CT heart scans are, of course, for identification of coronary plaque/coronary disease, they're also great for visualizing the lungs.

This man is a light smoker. The lungs are the black tissues (that's normal) on either side of the (white) heart in the center. Now, note the holes in the lung tissue. That's what they literally are: holes left by the destrucive, tissue-eating effects of cigarette smoking.

How common are the holes (or emphysematous "blebs", as they're called in medical lingo)? Very common. You'll even see them in 30-somethings who've smoked only a few years.

These are holes that have nothing in them. The lung tissue that was destroyed to create the hole will never grow back, even when smoking stops. The holes in this example are actually small to average in size. I've seen much bigger. And this only represents the early stages of lung tissue destruction. A long-time heavy smoker shows all other sorts of abnormalities.

Whenever I show these "black holes" to people who smoke, they are horrified and I've actually gotten many people to quit. Take the opportunity to quit as soon as you can if you smoke.

Small LDL--a persistent bugger

Sometimes, small LDL is easy to get rid of. Take niacin, for instance, and it can simply disappear from your body.

But other times, it can be aggravatingly persistent. Several times every day, in fact, I need to run through the checklist of strategies to reduce small LDL with patients.

How important is small LDL? In my experience, it is among the most potent causes behind coronary plaque known. It's a big part of the explanation why some people at an LDL of cholesterol of X mg/dl will have heart disease, while others with the same X mg/dl of LDL will not. When present, small LDL particles are much more likely to trigger atherosclerotic plaque formation. Small LDL particles magnify Lp(a)'s ill-effects tremendously. The data vary but small LDL probably increases heart attack risk at least three-fold.



Here's a checklist of strategies that I advise patients to consider to minimize the small LDL pattern:


--Lose weight to ideal weight--This is very important and effective.


--Fish oil--A relatively small effect unless triglycerides are high to begin with.




--Reduction of wheat products--This can provide a BIG effect. More precisely, a reduction in high-glycemic index foods is effective. But the biggest day-to-day high-glycemic food culprits are wheat products like breads, pasta, crackers, chips, pretzels, and breakfast cereals. "You mean whole wheat bread makes small LDL?!" Yup.


--Reduction of sweets--For the same reasons as reducing wheat products.


--Add raw almonds and walnuts--1/4 to 1/2 cup per day.




--Replace wheat products with OAT products, especially oat bran. This does NOT mean oat-containing breakfast cereals with added sugar and wheat, e.g., Honey Nut Cheerios, Cracklin' Oat Bran Cereal, etc. You might as well eat candy. Buy oat bran as plain oat bran--nothing added. Use it as a hot cereal or added to yogurt, "breading" for chicken, etc.




--Vitamin D--A variable effect, likely resulting from its beneficial effects on "insulin resistance".


--Exercise


--Niacin--Very effective but not always enough.


Among the choices, my favorites are weight loss, niacin, and reduction of wheat products. Those will give you the biggest bang for your buck.

Red badge of courage

A group of 60- and 70-somethings were standing in the anteroom to the cardiac rehabilitation center. All (males) had their T-shirts pulled up, comparing their coronary bypass scars.

It reminds me of war veterans comparing their war wounds. The scars of suffering, of having "conquered" and won a war with a common enemy, a badge of courage.

This is part of the broad social acceptance of bypass surgery and other major procedures for heart disease. Hospitals support it. They do it for the psychological support for patients enduring a difficult process. Often, talking about a shared experience can be a helpful purge for the fears and frustrations of a traumatic event.

Curious thing, though. I've actually had people request bypass surgery simply because all their friends have had one. No kidding. "I just figure my time is coming. I might as well get it over with."

Get the picture? We've had a battle with heart disease and the hospitals have won. The enormous success of hospitals over the last 20 years is not because of delivering babies, it's not from psychiatric hospitalization, it's not from cancer treatment. It's from heart disease. The largest floors in the hospital are usually the cardiac floors. The bulk of revenues and profit are from heart disease.

If I manufacture widgets and each widget I sell makes me scads of money, guess what? I want to sell more and more widgets. I'll persuade people they need my widgets even if they don't. Perhaps I'll even persuade them that buying one is a noble cause. Maybe I'll subtly suggest that I am a charitable operation and I only sell my products for the public good. I could even name my company after a saint. Personal profit--absolutely not!

Ignore the hype. See hospitals and their "products" for what they are: A necessary service--some of the time; profitable products that they hope to sell to more and more people most of the time.

"We don't believe in heart scans"

Tim's CT heart scan score was an earth-shattering 3,447, clearly in the upper stratosphere of percentile rank. Risk of heart attack: 25% per year. At age 58, it was a wonder that nothing had happened yet.

Tim went to the Cleveland Clinic for an opinion, long a powerful bastion of heart procedures. The consulting cardiologist told Tim, "We don't believe in heart scans. They're wrong too often."

An opinion from a widely-respected cardiovascular center. If they don't "believe" in heart scans, does that mean they "believe" in stents and bypass surgery? Does it mean that the thousands of research studies that have now been published on the value of heart scanning are pure fiction? Is there a choice to believe or not believe?

I continue to be shocked at the extraordinary ignorance on the topic of heart scanning among my colleagues. The number one killer of Americans and you still rely on stress tests?

Why this perception that heart scans are "wrong too often"? What this cardiologist means, I believe, is that when people are taken to the cath lab for catheterization, a substantial number of those with positive heart scan scores don't have "blockage". But I could have told him that even before the heart catheterization.

There is an expected and well-documented likelihood of finding significant "blockage" based on your heart scan score. At Tim's scary score of 3,447, what is the likelihood of "blockage" of 50% or more? It's around 40-50%. That means that half the people at this score will have a blockage sufficient to justify inserting stents or undergoing bypass surgery, half will not. There will indeed be many plaques, but none severe enough to block flow.

Does that make the heart scan wrong? I don't think it does. Just because you don't need a major procedure to "fix" blockages does not mean that no heart disease is present. Without preventive efforts, Tim's heart attack risk remains an alarming 25% per year--whether or not he gets stents or bypass. The only treatments that substantially reduce this risk (in an asymptomatic person) are preventive efforts, not procedures.

Yet cardiologists like the one Tim consulted at the Cleveland Clinic regard heart scans as something "he doesn't believe in". I would suggest a return to the textbooks and published literature and re-thinking how heart disease should be managed.

Heart scans should provide an opportunity for prevention, not an opportunity for profit.

More on the “Rule of 60”

Despite its apparent simplicity, there’s a lot of thought and wisdom in the Rule of 60.

What if you achieve only a single value in the Track Your Plaque “Rule of 60”? What if, for instance, you got LDL down to 60 mg/dl, but ignored the fact that your HDL was 41 mg/dl and triglycerides were up to 145 mg/dl? Can you still do pretty well?

Probably not. In fact, this specific combination of low HDL and high triglycerides tells me several things:

1) LDL is really much higher than suggested by the 60 mg/dl, which is a calculated value, often much higher. Recall that calculated LDL is prone to immense inaccuracy. When measured, the LDL is commonly somewhere between 120 and 160 mg/dl. However, when you raise HDL to 60 and reduce triglycerides to 60, much of the inaccuracy is removed, i.e., calculated LDL becomes more accurate. LDL can be measured as LDL particle number (NMR), apoprotein B, or direct LDL.

2) LDL particles are small. This is yet another reason why the weight-based LDL measures can be inaccurate. Imagine you have two identical glass jars full of marbles. One jar has small marbles, the other has large marbles, but both jars have the same weight in marbles. Which jar has more marbles? The one with small marbles, of course. The same phenomenon occurs with LDL particles: at the same weight, you can have different numbers of LDL particles. It’s the number of particles that better determine risk for heart disease, not the weight.

3) Triglycerides of 145 mg/dl is actually below the target advised by the National Cholesterol Education Panel Adult Treatment Panel-III guidelines, i.e., you’re okay by conventional standard. But look beneath the surface, and you’ll find that triglycerides at 145 mg/dl are associated with flagrant excesses of VLDL lipoprotein particles and a greater likelihood of a postprandial (after-eating) disorder (increased IDL or postprandial triglycerides), both of which add to coronary plaque.

4) This pattern is also commonly associated with higher blood sugar, higher blood pressure, increased inflammation (e.g., C-reactive protein), increased fibrinogen—all the facets of the metabolic syndrome, or pre-diabetes.

In fact, some of the most aggressive plaque growth—increasing heart scan scores—will occur with this specific pattern. So just achieving one facet of the Track Your Plaque Rule of 60 does not suffice. It’s the whole package that really stacks the odds in your favor of stopping or dropping your heart scan score.
Do you work for the pharmaceutical industry?

Do you work for the pharmaceutical industry?

In response to my post, Lovaza Rip-off, I received this angry comment:


Very high triglycerides, as you all know, is a very serious and life-threatening condition. Therefore, it is very important that any medication you take for treatment must be FDA proven and scientifically backed. This is true for a few reasons. First, there have been zero studies done to show the effects of Costco brand fish oil pills on patients with high triglycerides. So, you cannot assume, simply because the pills you are taking "claim" to have a certain amount of Omega 3 in the them, that they actually do (supplement labeling is self-submitted by the company, and not regulated by any external or 3rd party agency).

Secondly, the other components in fish oil, and maybe in Costco brand (no one knows because it isn't on the label) can actually inhibit the bioavailablity of Omega 3, most notably, Omega 6. And, nowhere on the Costco label does it tell you how much Omega 6 is in it. We also cannot underestimate the importance of purity with these compounds: a top selling brand of fish oil found stores like CVS was recently recalled because it was found to have large amounts of fire retardant in it! These supplements are NOT regulated by the FDA.

Thirdly, be careful when you compare costs. The cost of hospitalization due to acute pancreatitis (a risk of very high triglycerides) far outweighs the cost of taking Lovaza for even several years. If you have a real disease, you need a real drug. And, until Costco does a prospective long-term clinical trial to show that it lowers triglycerides, it should not be used in place of Lovaza.

Finally, I am a living example of how taking a high-potency supplement form of Omega 3 barely lowered my triglycerides, yet within 2 weeks of being on Lovaza there was a significant difference. I am now at my goal. So, before you knock a company, that, in my opinion, has saved my life, please do your research and do not mislead people into thinking that an Omega 3 is an Omega 3 is an Omega 3. If your insurance covers the most potent, the most pure, and the ONLY proven Omega 3 pill on the market, you should be thankful.



The comment was posted anonymously, so I don't know who it came from. But I can tell who I think it is: Someone who works for the drug industry.

This is a common phenomenon: Large corporations are fearful of the comments that are generated on internet conversations and other media. On the internet, there are actually people whose job it is to do "damage control." I suspect this came from one of them.

Why bother? Surely there are better things to do? Well, that's easy. There are billions of dollars at stake. Lovaza, in particular, is sold on the perception that it is somehow superior. If word gets out that maybe you can achieve the same results at a fraction of the cost . . .

Perhaps the "commenter" should also question whether omega-3 fatty acids can come from eating fish.

As part of my cardiology practice, I provide consultation on complex hyperlipidemias, or unusual lipid abnormalities. I have many patients with something called familial hypertriglyceridemia, a genetic condition that permits triglyceride levels of 500, 1000, even many thousands of mg/dl, levels that, as the anonymous commenter points out, can be dangerous.

I virtually never prescribe Lovaza for these people. In their treatment program, I use simple fish oil supplements, such as that from Costco, Sam's Club, or other retailers. I have not witnessed a single failure in treating these people and reducing triglycerides. People with lesser triglyceride abnormalities likewise respond very nicely to inexpensive fish oil that we can buy at the health food store. (I do rely on useful services like Consumer Reports and www.consumerlab.com to reassure us that no pesticide residues, mercury, or other contaminants are in the brands we use.) Excellent, high-quality fish oil supplements are sold by Carlson, Life Extension, Barlean's, even the Members' Mark brand from Sam's Club.

So, the notion that only prescription fish oil is capable of reducing triglycerides is, in a word, nonsense.

Take that back to your CEO.

Comments (30) -

  • Jenny

    3/24/2009 7:18:00 PM |

    The drug industry seems to have put a full time anonymous troll at work  replying to posts my blog.

    They always appeal to authority, along the lines of "How dare you say .... I'm a medical professional and what you are saying is dangerous...." They don't seem to get the part about how no one is going to believe their authority since they're posting anonymously.

    I occasionally post one of their screeds as my forum regulars enjoy bashing them. But my blog policy is that I don't make anonymous posts public if they are without merit.

  • Anonymous

    3/24/2009 8:26:00 PM |

    I wonder if that person continues to eat the foods that raised his triglycerides in the first place while taking the drug.  I suppose he considers himself smart and ahead of the game? Hah!!! Mother nature always wins!

  • Dr. William Davis

    3/24/2009 9:46:00 PM |

    Hi, Jenny--

    Good for you to stand up to them.

    I agree: They're very clever about crafting their comments to make you feel small. I find it funny. Here we are, David vs. Goliath, and they resort to deception, subterfuge, and smear to make their points.

    Anonymous (above): Excellent point! I failed to mention how effective diet is for high triglycerides.

  • Michael

    3/25/2009 12:57:00 AM |

    The argument that the vitamin industry is self-regulated and answers to nobody is genuine.  Look what happened to the financial industry with self regulated derivative products!  Given a choice between lab-tested Lovaza and an off-the-shelf fish oil that has no oversight for their claims ... I'll have to go with the Lovaza.  My triglycerides were 800+ ... now they are 300.  My physician said, with triglycerides that high, I can't take the chance of getting a dud bottle of vitamins.

  • Michael

    3/25/2009 1:03:00 AM |

    Re:  "I wonder if that person continues to eat the foods that raised his triglycerides in the first place while taking the drug."

    So you've set up a hypothetical situation and trash the person on the basis of your assumption/wondering?  And that makes you smarter than ... who?

  • Andrew

    3/25/2009 3:27:00 AM |

    lol OUCH, Dr. Davis.

    I think the CEO's Mama is going to feel that one.

    Excellent reply.  Although, I do think that one positive thing that can be taken away from what the "anonymous" person wrote is that it is very true that supplements are not regulated.  It is extremely important that everyone researches where their supplements come from and if they do meet some kind of quality control standards.

  • Anonymous

    3/25/2009 3:29:00 AM |

    I was thinking the same thing, what is he eating that nothing less than a prescription(?) drug has any effect?

    Regarding purity...  What?  Like no one else has ever had any recalls?

    What about all of the drugs that garnered FDA approval and were then recalled due to long term effects that did not show up in trials?

  • Anonymous

    3/25/2009 4:12:00 AM |

    I agree that person was probably affiliated with Big Pharma in some way.

    In early 2006, my triglycerides were 432mg/dl with no supplements. After taking four Life Extension Super Omega-3 capsules (which yields 2.4 grams of EPA/DHA) once daily and absolutely NO changes in my diet or added exercise, my triglycerides dropped to 157mg/dl when I retested a little over 3 months later, so I know their fish  oil works at reducing triglycerides. Life Extension brand costs me about 63 cents per day at that dosage and it has a 5 star rating from the International Fish Oil Standards. Here is a snip it from their website:

    "The International Fish Oil Standards (IFOS) is an international program concerned with the quality of omega 3 products, as it relates to the international standards for purity and concentration established by the World Health Organization and the Council for Responsible Nutrition."

    http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Health-Nutrition-Awards/Fish-Oil-Supplements.htm

    http://www.nutrasource.ca/ifos_new/index.asp?section=ifosfaq

    I also like the fact the Life Extension fish oil has sesame lignans & olive fruit extract in it as well.

  • Anonymous

    3/25/2009 1:56:00 PM |

    Supplements are not FDA regulated?  It kinda ruins your point when you make a completely false comment like this.

    Here are two FDA websites that describe exactly how they indeed do regulate the supplement industry:

    http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/supplmnt.html

    http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/dscgmps6.html

    Oh, to be a complete buffoon....

  • JPB

    3/25/2009 2:42:00 PM |

    I have noticed that any time I leave a comment that challenges any part of the current dogma that inevitably someone claiming to be a doctor steps up to tell me that I don't know what I am talking about....

  • Anonymous

    3/25/2009 2:53:00 PM |

    I eat tons of saturated fat and sometimes I take my fish oil but my trigs are 104  because I dont't eat any sugar or starch. Why take drugs when you can control the entire spectrum of cholesterol values and other health issues with diet?

    People you dont' need to take any drugs. You've been brainwashed big time.

  • mtflight

    3/25/2009 7:49:00 PM |

    OOps Dr. Davis, I accidentally published my last comment before proofing it and messed up a link. here it is as it was intended (post this one instead of the other one please).

    I can think of one instance where fish oil won't reduce triglycerides / VLDL:  in the presence of antioxidants.

    I know it sounds strange, but the mechanism by which VLDL/triglyceride reduction takes place depends on peroxidation products of n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids.  

    It was noticed that when people take antioxidants with their fish oil, for instance vitamin E, the plasma TG/VLDL reductions did not take place.  I experienced this first hand... and I was baffled why the fish oil was "not working" at reducing my triglycerides.

    In a nutshell, the liver determines the presence of peroxidized [hopefully glycated as well] polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA), is not ideal for release into circulation, so through a process dubbed PERPP, the VLDL particle that never was is aborted and is instead kept inside the liver.

    The article is called "Hold The Antioxidants and Improve Plasma Lipids?" by Ronald L. Krauss, M.D. Ph.D. can be read at
    PubMed or
    The Journal of Clinical Investigation

    Peter genially deconstructs the described process in detail at AGE RAGE and ALE: VLDL degradation and Fish Oil

    So probably the best way to reduce triglycerides is to cut out the wheat/starch/sugar/honey/fructose.

    I still take fish oil (with antioxidants) but I eat low-carb so my triglycerides are below 100.

    R.L. Krauss is one of the researchers responsible for recognizing that small dense LDL  are the atherogenic LDL.  yet as an advisor to the AHA, well... not much progress there, unfortunately.

    Thanks for your blog Dr. Davis!

    Alex

  • moblogs

    3/25/2009 11:17:00 PM |

    ...And if they don't work for the industry, they probably should and collect their commission! Smile

    It just shows desperation. You can paste posters and ads everywhere but when it comes down to it, you can never beat word of mouth which will always help you achieve minimal cost and max. benefit. And word of mouth just expanded with the net.

    People like to help each other. Industries don't.

  • Shreela

    3/26/2009 2:14:00 AM |

    Dr. Davis: Did you and Jenny compare IP addresses between your emailer and her commenters by any chance?

    I searched for the following keyword combinations:

    fish oil recall
    cvs fish oil fire retardant
    cvs fish oil recall
    cvs omega fire retardant recall
    cvs fish oil PBDE recall
    cvs fish oil PCB recall

    I would hope that news of the nation's number 1 chain pharmacy having a very popular supplement recalled because of toxic contamination would be heavily represented in search results. But NO!

    Except that last keyword combo's first result did have "lab tested for contaminants", and surprise, CVS's fish oil caps passed (and they sourced Consumer Lab, so extra cred for their article):
    http://www.supplementgenius.com/2008/08/09/50-fish-oil-supplements-get-lab-tested/

    One of the emailer's other claims intrigued me, so I searched these keyword combos:

    omega 6 inhibits bioavailablity of omega 3
    omega 6 decrease bioavailablity of omega 3

    I haven't found much on omega 6 affecting bioavailability of omega 3 yet, but I did find a 97 study about "inadequate intake of vitamin E results in a decreased absorption of omega-3" at least.

  • Andrew

    3/26/2009 8:04:00 AM |

    "Here are two FDA websites that describe exactly how they indeed do regulate the supplement industry:

    http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/supplmnt.html

    http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/dscgmps6.html"

    Sadly, that's not really regulation.  

    From the FDA website:
    "Generally, manufacturers do not need to register their products with FDA nor get FDA approval before producing or selling dietary supplements.* Manufacturers must make sure that product label information is truthful and not misleading."

    It's the classic case of police oversight (actively looking for violators) vs. fire-alarm oversight (only responding when an alert has been raised).  So while it's true that regulation exists, it's not where it needs to be.

    If you have time, check out the documentary "Bigger, Faster, Stronger."  They show how absurdly easy it is to produce, promote and sell supplements that are complete and total garbage.

  • Trinkwasser

    3/26/2009 7:08:00 PM |

    Who needs fish oil supplements when you can eat the whole fish???

    In all seriousness there may be quality control issues with supplements, but I *decimated* my trigs simply by not eating excess carbs. I can't think of a way that something you don't eat could be adulterated

  • Dr. William Davis

    3/26/2009 9:43:00 PM |

    Hi, Shreela--

    Sorry, but it didn't even occur to me. We'll have to do that next time (and I'm sure there will be a next time).

  • Dr. William Davis

    3/26/2009 9:44:00 PM |

    Remember: We take fish oil to accomplish more than reduce triglycerides.

    It also reduces cardiovascular events, accelerates clearance of post-prandial abnormal particles, and modifies plaque composition.

  • Nameless

    3/27/2009 6:45:00 AM |

    My cardiologist tried to prescribe me Lovaza over the fish oil I normally take, using the argument that OTC brands may have mercury in them. I of course declined her offer, and tried to tell her that OTC brands are rather unlikely to have mercury.

    But it got me interested in the differences, if any, between Lovaza and OTC fish oil. I originally contacted GlaxoSmithKline, which was a waste of time, no response. So I went right to the source, Pronovo, the company that actually makes Lovaza for Glaxo. I had two questions, why are transfats listed as being in the product, and what about oxidation, which is the real potential problem with fish oils, not mercury contamination.

    Response from Pronovo for the transfats question:
    However I can assure you that Lovaza has never contained partially hydrogeneated oil. This is simply a mistake. I agree, it is not good marketing - and we are working on it.

    -- Okay, weird answer, but I guess it's believable... kinda. I still don't see why they wouldn't have fixed it by now though. It's sort of like marketing Lipitor -- now with extra trans-fats!

    And regarding oxidation, which i consider the main issue with fish oils, they say that Lovaza is stable at room temperature, even after its opened. They went on to say they don't recommend refrigerating it, as the shelf life may not have been determined in refrigerator conditions.

    Huh? To the best of my knowledge, after fish oil has been opened it's always been considered safest to refrigerate it, to limit potential oxidation. If a liquid is used, it's even more important. And the higher the percentage of omega 3s, the greater the potential for oxidation. So why wouldn't it be suggested to refrigerate Lovaza?

    The only reason I can come up with relates to the last thing they said to me:

    Anyway, you can store Lovaza toghether with other medications. I gues this may be considered a
    good thing when it comes to patient compliance.

    ---

    And then I thought about how pharmacists store medications. Or say, mail order places, which ship 3 month supplies, where they will ship using their own bottles -- meaning they had to use open Lovaza bottles. So this basically means patients will be getting fish oil that has been sitting around for god knows how long, open, and non-refrigerated... and then finally shipped in the Medco (or whatever mail order) bottles, to be used for the next 3 months. And this whole time the fish oil has been exposed to air with no refrigeration.

    So how is Lovaza better than OTC fish oil again? At least I can count on OTC fish oil being sealed and not exposed to air when I buy it.

  • Dr. William Davis

    3/27/2009 1:04:00 PM |

    Hi, Nameless--

    The pharmacist opening the bottle of Lovaza hadn't occurred to me. Excellent point.

    Yet another reason to avoid using this overpriced product.

  • mtflight

    3/27/2009 4:10:00 PM |

    We're missing this:

    the peroxidation is what allows the liver to abort the production of VLDL/triglycerides and through the subsequent delipidation cascade the other particles that would result. See my post above!

    The plaque composition and reduction of cardiovascular events "probably" due to it affecting the omega balances (6:3) and therefore the eicosanoid production.

    I take generic, enteric-coated fish oil. The one I buy has some tocopherols (to prevent peroxidation).

  • Anonymous

    3/27/2009 6:18:00 PM |

    The anon poster made a grave mistake fish oil is not a "drug" it is a food!

  • Nameless

    3/27/2009 6:47:00 PM |

    The only advantage to Lovaza I can see, assuming the patient gets sealed bottles of the stuff, is the reduction in pills daily. And I guess that'd be good for those with stomach issues where they can't tolerate too many pills a day. Although even there we are only talking about like 1 or 2 less capsules daily.

    What would be interesting are studies comparing high dose capsules vs low dose in patients, and see if there is any difference in outcomes. I am curious if Dr. Davis has noticed any difference between patients on fish oil with higher omega 3 content (ex: 600mg/capsule vs 300mg/capsule). In theory, the additional non-EPA/DHA fats in the capsule of lower strength fish oils could have some negative effects. But without studies, who knows?

    Same with the forms of fish oil, which tend to be ignored. Are ethyl esters as effective as triglyceride forms? The current studies are mixed... some show no difference, some show the triglyceride  form of Omega 3s absorbing a lot better.

    For Lovaza to back up any of their claims, they need to do a head-to-head study with a good OTC fish oil, say like Carlson's or Nordic Naturals. But we know that'll never happen. Generic Lovaza may hit the market by years end too, depending on what the courts rule, which will be weird. Companies like the ones I mentioned above, or Meg-3, could cash in by licensing with a drug maker and just reselling their OTC fish oil as a new 'drug'. Which would completely obliterate any notion that Lovaza is different than OTC fish oils too.

  • Anne

    3/28/2009 12:40:00 PM |

    I am prescribed Lovaza, though it's called Omacor here in the UK. I used to buy my fish oils from the health food store and it was costing me around £25 ($36) per month - obviously fish oils are much dearer in the UK - so I asked my cardiologist to prescribe me Omacor and he did. My prescriptions are free of charge under the National Health Service so I'm now getting my fish oils for free.

    I was very puzzled that the manufacturers say not to store Omacor in the refrigerator and on pressing them, saying that in the summer I could not be sure that the temperature in my house would stay under 25 C they conceded that I could store the Omacor in the fridge: "If you feel that a temperature rise may affect your Omacor, then it is possible to store the product in the fridge."  !

    Anne

  • Trinkwasser

    3/30/2009 3:10:00 PM |

    Has anyone found differences between brands (or between the same brand at different times, they may come from different sources) in their palatabily?

    I tend to feel bloated and get fishy belches with the capsules I've tried (not Costco or Lovasa but various OTC and mail order types) which doesn't happen with the whole fish, except for elderly mackerel or stale kippers. You don't know how old the capsules might be or how they've been stored.

    My theory is, by reducing the carbs and Omega 6s a lower dose of Omega 3s will probably work. I'll let you know if I'm right or not after I'm dead (grins)

  • Bill

    3/31/2009 5:21:00 PM |

    Michael said: "The argument that the vitamin industry is self-regulated and answers to nobody is genuine."

    Comment: Some easily identifiable companies self-regulation is far superior than the FDA's regulation of drug companies Michael considering the FDA's record on such matters. If one were to take the time to look for reliable providers of high-quality supplements they would be far ahead of the game and have zero the risk of the myriad of side effects caused by pharmaceutical drugs which are often times rehashed toxic byproducts of the manufacturing process put in pill form instead of being paid for to dispose of.

    Michael said:" Look what happened to the financial industry with self regulated derivative products!"

    Comment: Relevance?

    Michael said: "Given a choice between lab-tested Lovaza and an off-the-shelf fish oil that has no oversight for their claims ... I'll have to go with the Lovaza.

    Comment: Have at it Michael and take with it the dozens of risks for side effects that go with it vs. the safety of the fish oil supplements.

    Michael said: "My triglycerides were 800+ ... now they are 300. My physician said, with triglycerides that high, I can't take the chance of getting a dud bottle of vitamins."

    Comment: Just what you would expect from a doctor who is PROGRAMMED to view vitamins or other nutritional supplements as worthless from YEARS of programming efforts by Big Pharma and virtually no classes on Orthomolecular medicine which has been widely studied for decades upon decades with great results and few risks at even high levels of dosing to deal with serious nutritional deficiencies (aka-"chemical" imbalances).

    Chalk another one up to the propoganda machine Michael - you seem to have bought in hook line and sinker or maybe you're just a paid propogandist?

    In health and in truth,
    Bill

  • cAPSLOCK

    4/5/2009 7:45:00 PM |

    Anne... I must pick at a nit.  Yu said:

    My prescriptions are free of charge under the National Health Service so I'm now getting my fish oils for free.

    They are far from free.  I understand you do not seem to have to pay for them, but we are all paying, even on this side of the sea, for the "free percriptions" folks receive.

  • Anne

    4/7/2009 7:44:00 AM |

    Hi Capslock,

    The money I am charged in my taxes goes towards the cost of the National Health Service so from that point of view my prescriptions are not free, but I am paying my taxes regardless of whether I buy the fish oils from the health food store or get them at no cost on prescription. Since the fish oils are *extremely* expensive from the health food store and since I pay my  taxes this seems the best deal to me.

    Anne

  • Anne

    4/9/2009 7:04:00 AM |

    Hi Capslock, a PS to my previous message - I'm thinking you must be thinking that the UK system is similar to the American one and that only low income people don't pay prescription charges ? No, everyone under 18 and over 60 gets their prescriptions free, and anyone who has one of certain chronic conditions gets them free too, doesn't matter what your income is or even if you're a millionaire !

    If I did pay for my prescriptions then the maximum charge for anyone is £7.20 per prescription, no matter the price of the medicine, no matter the income of the patient....and £7.20 for a prescription of Omacor fish oils is still much cheaper than buying fish oils from the health food store !

    Anne

  • Fda Regulatory Affairs

    4/17/2009 11:40:00 AM |

    Thanks for this informative post

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