Pre-diabetes: An explanation for explosive coronary plaque growth

Art's first CT heart scan in March, 2006 yielded a concerning score of 1336. He felt fine--no chest discomfort, no breathlessness, etc.

Art agreed to take the statin cholesterol drug his primary care doctor prescribed. He also agreed to take the fish oil, niacin, and some of the nutritional supplements that we advised. But Art just couldn't bring himself to make the commitment to lose weight.

At the start of his program, Art--at 5 ft. 8 inches--was 40 lbs overweight (212 lb). This was important since his blood sugar wavered in the pre-diabetic range, going as high as 130 mg. (The American Diabetes Assn. defines diabetes as a blood glucose of 126 mg or greater.)

One year later, Art's lipid and lipoprotein values were corrected to perfection. But he still weighed in at a hefty 209 lbs--essentially no change. His blood sugar likewise hovered in the 120's.

I felt Art need to be prodded, so I asked him to undergo another heart scan. His score: 1935--a 600 point increase, or 45%!

Only now has Art begun to comprehend to power of diabetes and pre-diabetes to fan the flames of plaque growth. Recent published data, in fact, show that the majority of recently diagnosed diabetics already have well-established coronary artery disease.

Don't let this happen to you. Do not dismiss diabetic patterns as they will catch up to you. If Art can lose the 30-40 lbs in the abdominal weight that is creating the diabetic pattern, he will likely succeed in stopping plaque growth. Otherwise, it's just a matter of time before his heart attack, stent, or bypass.

Who cares if you're pre-diabetic?

Marta is a smart lady. She's worked in hospital laboratories for the last 23 years and knows many of the ins and outs of lab tests and their implications.

After years of being told that her cholesterol was acceptable, she needed to undergo urgent bypass surgery after experiencing severe breathlessness that proved to be a small warning heart attack at age 57. But this made Marta skeptical of relying on cholesterol to identify heart disease risk.

I met Marta two years after her bypass surgery when she was seeking better answers. And, indeed, she proved to have several concealed sources of heart disease: small LDL particles, Lipoprotein(a), intermediate-density lipoprotein (IDL--a very important abnormality that means she is unable to clear dietary fats from her blood), among others. But she was also mildly diabetic with a blood sugar of 131 mg (normal < or = 100 mg). This had not been previously recognized.

As I'm a cardiologist and our program focuses on reversal and control of coronary plaque, I asked Marta to return to her primary care doctor to continue the conversation about diabetes. She was a bit frightened but followed through.

"Well, you're not urinating excessively. And your long-term measure of blood sugar, hemoglobin A1C, is still normal. I wouldn't worry about it. We'll just watch it."

I guess I should know better. What the poor primary care doctor doesn't know is that pre-diabetes and mild diabetes are potent risks for heart disease. In fact, some of the most explosive rates of plaque growth occur when these patterns are present. It's well established that risk for heart attack in a diabetic is the same as that of someone who's already suffered a prior heart attack--very high risk, in other words.

Marta's primary care doctor's advice would be like inquiring about cancer and the doctor says "Let's just wait until it's metastatic--then we'll start to worry." Of course, this is insane.

Pre-diabetes and mild diabetes should not be ignored or just "watched". Even though the blood sugar itself may not be high enough to endanger you, the hidden patterns underlying your body's unresponsiveness to insulin creates a torrent of hidden coronary risk.

For better answers, Track Your Plaque members can read "Shutting Off Metabolic Syndrome" at http://www.cureality.com/library/fl_dp001metabolic.asp on the www.cureality.com website. ("Metabolic syndrome" is the name commonly given to the constellation of abnormalities associated with pre-diabetes and diabetes.)

Don't get smug!

It may sound silly, but after someone succeeds in stopping their heart scan score from increasing or reduces their score, I warn them to not get smug. Let me explain.

I'll tell you about Jack. I met Jack a few years ago after he had a heart scan at age 39. His score: 1441! A score this high at his age obviously puts him in the 99th percentile. Also recall that a score >1000 carries a 25% annual risk for heart attack.

This captured Jack's attention. At the start, his lipoproteins were disastrous with numerous abnormal patterns. Jack committed to the program. After one year, his lipoproteins were around 80-90% corrected towards perfection. He'd lost 27 lbs, was exercising six days a week, and felt great.

Jack's repeat score one year later: 1107--over a 300 point drop! A huge success. He was ecstatic.

Unfortunately, work and life in general distracted him. Jack allowed himself to drift back to old habits, indulging in fast food 2 or 3 times a week, slacking on exercise such that it became sporadic, half-hearted efforts, and regained 15 lbs. He even failed to show up for appointments and we lost contact for two years.

One day, Jack simply decided to see where he stood, so he got himself another heart scan. The score: 2473--over a doubling from his reduced score.

The message: Long-term consistency is key, even after you've achieved control over your score. Stick with your program--and don't get smug!

Holidays are dangerous!

If you're on holiday from work today, make sure you're not on holiday from your health, too.

Too often, people come back to the office telling me that the holidays simply got out of hand--cookouts, picnics, family gatherings, etc.--and they simply couldn't avoid overeating, overdrinking, sitting around--and gaining 3-5 lbs in a weekend. (Our record is 10 lbs in a weekend!)

I don't want to harp on this issue and ruin your holiday, but I can't stress how important it is that you don't allow this to happen to you. Weight gained in a brief space of time has exceptionally destructive effects. Ever see the movie "Super Size Me"? It's an entertaining and well-done yet graphic portrayal of the damaging effects of rapid weight gain.

Enjoy your time off. Relax, enjoy your family and friends--but continue to pay attention to choosing the right foods, don't overeat, take time out to do something (or several things) physical. It'll pay off hugely in the long run.

More on carotid plaque...

Although not a perfect test, carotid ultrasound is an exceptionally easy and accessible test. Using high-frequency sound, clear images are available for most people.

I say it's not perfect because the way it's done in 2006 makes it a non-quantitative test. It is a qualitative test. In other words, you may find out that there's a 30% blockage ("stenosis"), at the far end of the common carotid artery on the right side. Unfortunately, this gives you an isolated measure of diameter of the plaque compared to the artery. What it does not tell you is what the volume of the entire plaque is. That's a far more accurate measure (and one that is incorporated into your heart scan score, by the way).

Nonetheless, carotid ultrasound is easy, very safe, and available in most hospitals and many clinics. One difficulty: most insurance companies will not allow you to go through a carotid ultrasound scan as a "screening" procedure, i.e., a test just to see if you have a carotid plaque. They will generally pay if you're having symptoms of a stroke or "mini-stroke" (transient ischemic attack, or "TIA"), have an abnormal sound in your carotid ultrasound detected by your doctor (a carotid "bruit"), or some other unusual indications. Sometimes, a resourceful physician will muster up a diagnosis based on something in your history (e.g., left arm numbness, a common and often benign complaint that can also signal stroke).

Another option are the mobile scanners or some hospital services that offer carotid screening, usually for a very modest price. Drawback: Sporadic availability, difficulty in obtaining serial scans, and imprecise reporting since it's viewed as a screening test. But it's better than nothing.

My hope is that, as screening services using safe imaging techniques like ultrasound propagate and increase in direct availability to the public, you'll be able to circumvent the obstacles imposed by your insurance company and even, sometimes, your doctor. But try your doctor first.

Carotid plaque can be shrunk

Rose, a 64-year old woman, just had a 70% carotid blockage identified by a screening ultrasound. When the result was given to her doctor, he prescribed Lipitor and told Rose that an ultrasound would be required every year. She would need carotid surgery, an "endarterectomy", if the blockage worsened.

"Can't I reduce the amount of blockage I have?" asked Rose.

"No. Once you've got it, it doesn't get any better."


Is this true? Once you've got carotid plaque, you can only expect it to get worse and it can't be reduced?

This is absolutely not true. In fact, compared to coronary plaque, carotid plaque is easier to reduce!

Of course, the Track Your Plaque program is designed to help you control or reduce coronary plaque. But, in our experience, people who have both coronary and carotid plaque will show far greater and faster reduction of carotid plaque. Dramatic reductions are sometimes seen. I've personally seen 50-70% blockages reduced to <30% on many occasions.

The requirements to achieve reduction of carotid plaque are very similar to the approach we use to reduce coronary plaque. One difference is that hypertension may play a more important role with carotid plaque and needs to be reduced confidently to the normal range before carotid plaque is controlled.

I find it shocking that the attitude like the one provided by this physician continue to prevail. Unlike coronary plaque, which has a relatively small body of scientific literature documenting how it can be reduced, carotid plaque actually enjoys a substantial clinical literature. Part of the reason is that the carotids are more easily imaged using ultrasound. (Heart structures can be seen with ultrasound, but not the coronary arteries.)

Numerous agents have been shown to contribute to reduction of carotid plaque: statin drugs, niacin, fish oil, the anti-diabetic "TZD" drugs (Actos, Avandia), several anti-hypertensive drugs, vitamin E, pomegranate juice, and several others.

It outrages me to hear stories like this. Rose is not the only one.

Don't accept the flip dismissals or the over-enthusiastic referral for carotid procedures. Insist on a conversation about plaque regression.


Note: Although I am a vigorous advocate of atherosclerotic plaque regression, this does not mean that if you have a severe (70% blockage or greater), or if there are symptoms from your carotid disease, that you should engage in a program of reversal. You must always take the advice of your doctor if your safety is in question.

Vitamin D--A coronary risk factor

Look up "coronary risk factors" in any text and you'll find high cholesterol, smoking, diabetes, and high blood pressure listed. You won't find deficiency of vitamin D listed.

Ask 99% of physicians if a deficiency of vitamin D is a coronary risk factor and you'll get rolling eyes and a sigh.

Yet, in the Track Your Plaque experience, vitamin D is emerging as a very important factor in coronary plaque development. We have observed that there are a substantial number of people whose lipids and lipoproteins are not abnormal enough to fully explain their heart scan score. In other words, there seems to be something else necessary to satisfactorily explain the magnitude of coronary plaque.

I believe that severe vitamin D deficiency is at least one of the most important factors. We've seen many people with blood levels of vitamin in the range of severe deficiency (<20 ng/ml of 25-OH-Vitamin D3) yet bland lipids and lipoproteins.

Correcting vitamin D blood levels to 50 ng/ml also seems to be among the required factors in stopping coronary plaque growth, or stopping your heart scan score from increasing.

Keep your eye on this extremely important and exciting issue. Sadly, it won't be propelled into the media like the conversation about cholesterol or high-tech procedures, since no company stands to profit from it. But you and I don't have to play that game.

Cholesterol is dead!

I saw a patient in the office yesterday. He came to me for an opinion regarding his high heart scan score of 525, putting him in the 90th percentile (5% annual risk of heart attack).

His doctor had been puzzled because his LDL cholesterols had ranged from 110 to 131 mg--actually below average. (The average LDL for the U.S. is 132 mg.) Likewise, HDL was a favorable 63 mg.

Lipoprotein analysis told the story loud and clear. His LDL particle number, a far more precise measure of LDL, was 2448 nmol/l. This means that his true LDL was more like 240-250 mg! (You can get a sense for what the true LDL is from LDL particle number by dropping the last digit: 2448 becomes 244.) Conventional LDL was therefore inaccurate by over 100 mg.

He also had a severe small LDL particle pattern. The cause of his coronary plaque was a large excess of small LDL particles. LDL cholesterol (and total cholesterol, likewise) didn't even hint at this pattern. Nor did his favorable HDL.

Think of LDL particle number as an actual count of LDL particles per volume, e.g., number of particles per cc of blood. This makes it easier to conceptualize. LDL particle number is the measure you get when you have an NMR lipoprotein profile, our preferred method of lipoprotein testing. If this is unavailable to you, apoprotein B is a reasonable second choice, though not as accurate in my view. More info on NMR is available at their website, www.lipoprofile.com.

How to make a $1 million in cardiology

Want to make a $1,000,000 as a cardiologist in the next year? It's easy. All you have to do is:

1) Perform heart catheterizations or other procedures on anybody you can, even if it's not necessary. Perform them even if the patient has no symptoms and the stress test is normal.

2) Perform heart catheterizations if the patient is too timid or ill-informed to object.

3) Insert coronary stents in blockages, even when they're minor and it's not necessary.

4) Turn every heart procedure into a revenue-producing stream by looking for other profit opportunties, such as minor kidney artery blockages.

5) Heart disease is frightening. Scare the heck out of patients by exagerrating the dangers so they'll go through testing and procedures gratefully.


Sound absurd? Well, it would be if these weren't all true.

These are real examples, as awful as it sounds. I've witnessed all these behaviors. Not just occasionally, but with regularity.

Just today, I encountered a colleague who performs heart catheterizations routinely (up to several per day) when any symptom is present and the stress test is entirely normal. This is grossly inappropriate.

Your protection is being better-informed and avoid being sucked into the vast and frightening cardiovascular machine of revenue-yielding procedures. Part of your protection is to get a CT heart scan, then engage in a program of heart disease prevention.

Doctor, do I have lipoprotein (a)?

I met Joyce today for a 2nd opinion. She told me about this conversation she'd had with her cardiologist:

"Doctor, do you think I could have lipoprotein (a)? I read about how it can cause heart attacks even when cholesterol is controlled."

"What does it matter? Even if you have it, there's nothing we can do about it. There's no treatment for it."

Joyce was understandably groping for some means to prevent her coronary disease from causing more danger. At 56, she'd already survived a heart attack that resulted in two stents to her left anterior descending. Around 9 months later, she received a 3rd stent to another artery.

Her doctor had put her on Pravachol and said that was enough. "We know that cholesterol causes heart disease and the Pravachol reduces it. Why do we need to know anything more?"

So Joyce came to me for another view. I explained to her that there are, in fact, several ways to deal with lipoprotein(a). It is, without a doubt, among the more difficult patterns to manage--but not impossible. In fact, we have a growing list of participants in the Track Your Plaque program who have stopped or reduced their heart scan scores.

I continue to be horrified at the level of ignorance that prevails among my colleagues, the cardiologists, and the primary care community. If your doctor gives you advice like this, get a new doctor.
Do you work for the pharmaceutical industry?

Do you work for the pharmaceutical industry?

In response to my post, Lovaza Rip-off, I received this angry comment:


Very high triglycerides, as you all know, is a very serious and life-threatening condition. Therefore, it is very important that any medication you take for treatment must be FDA proven and scientifically backed. This is true for a few reasons. First, there have been zero studies done to show the effects of Costco brand fish oil pills on patients with high triglycerides. So, you cannot assume, simply because the pills you are taking "claim" to have a certain amount of Omega 3 in the them, that they actually do (supplement labeling is self-submitted by the company, and not regulated by any external or 3rd party agency).

Secondly, the other components in fish oil, and maybe in Costco brand (no one knows because it isn't on the label) can actually inhibit the bioavailablity of Omega 3, most notably, Omega 6. And, nowhere on the Costco label does it tell you how much Omega 6 is in it. We also cannot underestimate the importance of purity with these compounds: a top selling brand of fish oil found stores like CVS was recently recalled because it was found to have large amounts of fire retardant in it! These supplements are NOT regulated by the FDA.

Thirdly, be careful when you compare costs. The cost of hospitalization due to acute pancreatitis (a risk of very high triglycerides) far outweighs the cost of taking Lovaza for even several years. If you have a real disease, you need a real drug. And, until Costco does a prospective long-term clinical trial to show that it lowers triglycerides, it should not be used in place of Lovaza.

Finally, I am a living example of how taking a high-potency supplement form of Omega 3 barely lowered my triglycerides, yet within 2 weeks of being on Lovaza there was a significant difference. I am now at my goal. So, before you knock a company, that, in my opinion, has saved my life, please do your research and do not mislead people into thinking that an Omega 3 is an Omega 3 is an Omega 3. If your insurance covers the most potent, the most pure, and the ONLY proven Omega 3 pill on the market, you should be thankful.



The comment was posted anonymously, so I don't know who it came from. But I can tell who I think it is: Someone who works for the drug industry.

This is a common phenomenon: Large corporations are fearful of the comments that are generated on internet conversations and other media. On the internet, there are actually people whose job it is to do "damage control." I suspect this came from one of them.

Why bother? Surely there are better things to do? Well, that's easy. There are billions of dollars at stake. Lovaza, in particular, is sold on the perception that it is somehow superior. If word gets out that maybe you can achieve the same results at a fraction of the cost . . .

Perhaps the "commenter" should also question whether omega-3 fatty acids can come from eating fish.

As part of my cardiology practice, I provide consultation on complex hyperlipidemias, or unusual lipid abnormalities. I have many patients with something called familial hypertriglyceridemia, a genetic condition that permits triglyceride levels of 500, 1000, even many thousands of mg/dl, levels that, as the anonymous commenter points out, can be dangerous.

I virtually never prescribe Lovaza for these people. In their treatment program, I use simple fish oil supplements, such as that from Costco, Sam's Club, or other retailers. I have not witnessed a single failure in treating these people and reducing triglycerides. People with lesser triglyceride abnormalities likewise respond very nicely to inexpensive fish oil that we can buy at the health food store. (I do rely on useful services like Consumer Reports and www.consumerlab.com to reassure us that no pesticide residues, mercury, or other contaminants are in the brands we use.) Excellent, high-quality fish oil supplements are sold by Carlson, Life Extension, Barlean's, even the Members' Mark brand from Sam's Club.

So, the notion that only prescription fish oil is capable of reducing triglycerides is, in a word, nonsense.

Take that back to your CEO.

Comments (30) -

  • Jenny

    3/24/2009 7:18:00 PM |

    The drug industry seems to have put a full time anonymous troll at work  replying to posts my blog.

    They always appeal to authority, along the lines of "How dare you say .... I'm a medical professional and what you are saying is dangerous...." They don't seem to get the part about how no one is going to believe their authority since they're posting anonymously.

    I occasionally post one of their screeds as my forum regulars enjoy bashing them. But my blog policy is that I don't make anonymous posts public if they are without merit.

  • Anonymous

    3/24/2009 8:26:00 PM |

    I wonder if that person continues to eat the foods that raised his triglycerides in the first place while taking the drug.  I suppose he considers himself smart and ahead of the game? Hah!!! Mother nature always wins!

  • Dr. William Davis

    3/24/2009 9:46:00 PM |

    Hi, Jenny--

    Good for you to stand up to them.

    I agree: They're very clever about crafting their comments to make you feel small. I find it funny. Here we are, David vs. Goliath, and they resort to deception, subterfuge, and smear to make their points.

    Anonymous (above): Excellent point! I failed to mention how effective diet is for high triglycerides.

  • Michael

    3/25/2009 12:57:00 AM |

    The argument that the vitamin industry is self-regulated and answers to nobody is genuine.  Look what happened to the financial industry with self regulated derivative products!  Given a choice between lab-tested Lovaza and an off-the-shelf fish oil that has no oversight for their claims ... I'll have to go with the Lovaza.  My triglycerides were 800+ ... now they are 300.  My physician said, with triglycerides that high, I can't take the chance of getting a dud bottle of vitamins.

  • Michael

    3/25/2009 1:03:00 AM |

    Re:  "I wonder if that person continues to eat the foods that raised his triglycerides in the first place while taking the drug."

    So you've set up a hypothetical situation and trash the person on the basis of your assumption/wondering?  And that makes you smarter than ... who?

  • Andrew

    3/25/2009 3:27:00 AM |

    lol OUCH, Dr. Davis.

    I think the CEO's Mama is going to feel that one.

    Excellent reply.  Although, I do think that one positive thing that can be taken away from what the "anonymous" person wrote is that it is very true that supplements are not regulated.  It is extremely important that everyone researches where their supplements come from and if they do meet some kind of quality control standards.

  • Anonymous

    3/25/2009 3:29:00 AM |

    I was thinking the same thing, what is he eating that nothing less than a prescription(?) drug has any effect?

    Regarding purity...  What?  Like no one else has ever had any recalls?

    What about all of the drugs that garnered FDA approval and were then recalled due to long term effects that did not show up in trials?

  • Anonymous

    3/25/2009 4:12:00 AM |

    I agree that person was probably affiliated with Big Pharma in some way.

    In early 2006, my triglycerides were 432mg/dl with no supplements. After taking four Life Extension Super Omega-3 capsules (which yields 2.4 grams of EPA/DHA) once daily and absolutely NO changes in my diet or added exercise, my triglycerides dropped to 157mg/dl when I retested a little over 3 months later, so I know their fish  oil works at reducing triglycerides. Life Extension brand costs me about 63 cents per day at that dosage and it has a 5 star rating from the International Fish Oil Standards. Here is a snip it from their website:

    "The International Fish Oil Standards (IFOS) is an international program concerned with the quality of omega 3 products, as it relates to the international standards for purity and concentration established by the World Health Organization and the Council for Responsible Nutrition."

    http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Health-Nutrition-Awards/Fish-Oil-Supplements.htm

    http://www.nutrasource.ca/ifos_new/index.asp?section=ifosfaq

    I also like the fact the Life Extension fish oil has sesame lignans & olive fruit extract in it as well.

  • Anonymous

    3/25/2009 1:56:00 PM |

    Supplements are not FDA regulated?  It kinda ruins your point when you make a completely false comment like this.

    Here are two FDA websites that describe exactly how they indeed do regulate the supplement industry:

    http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/supplmnt.html

    http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/dscgmps6.html

    Oh, to be a complete buffoon....

  • JPB

    3/25/2009 2:42:00 PM |

    I have noticed that any time I leave a comment that challenges any part of the current dogma that inevitably someone claiming to be a doctor steps up to tell me that I don't know what I am talking about....

  • Anonymous

    3/25/2009 2:53:00 PM |

    I eat tons of saturated fat and sometimes I take my fish oil but my trigs are 104  because I dont't eat any sugar or starch. Why take drugs when you can control the entire spectrum of cholesterol values and other health issues with diet?

    People you dont' need to take any drugs. You've been brainwashed big time.

  • mtflight

    3/25/2009 7:49:00 PM |

    OOps Dr. Davis, I accidentally published my last comment before proofing it and messed up a link. here it is as it was intended (post this one instead of the other one please).

    I can think of one instance where fish oil won't reduce triglycerides / VLDL:  in the presence of antioxidants.

    I know it sounds strange, but the mechanism by which VLDL/triglyceride reduction takes place depends on peroxidation products of n-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids.  

    It was noticed that when people take antioxidants with their fish oil, for instance vitamin E, the plasma TG/VLDL reductions did not take place.  I experienced this first hand... and I was baffled why the fish oil was "not working" at reducing my triglycerides.

    In a nutshell, the liver determines the presence of peroxidized [hopefully glycated as well] polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA), is not ideal for release into circulation, so through a process dubbed PERPP, the VLDL particle that never was is aborted and is instead kept inside the liver.

    The article is called "Hold The Antioxidants and Improve Plasma Lipids?" by Ronald L. Krauss, M.D. Ph.D. can be read at
    PubMed or
    The Journal of Clinical Investigation

    Peter genially deconstructs the described process in detail at AGE RAGE and ALE: VLDL degradation and Fish Oil

    So probably the best way to reduce triglycerides is to cut out the wheat/starch/sugar/honey/fructose.

    I still take fish oil (with antioxidants) but I eat low-carb so my triglycerides are below 100.

    R.L. Krauss is one of the researchers responsible for recognizing that small dense LDL  are the atherogenic LDL.  yet as an advisor to the AHA, well... not much progress there, unfortunately.

    Thanks for your blog Dr. Davis!

    Alex

  • moblogs

    3/25/2009 11:17:00 PM |

    ...And if they don't work for the industry, they probably should and collect their commission! Smile

    It just shows desperation. You can paste posters and ads everywhere but when it comes down to it, you can never beat word of mouth which will always help you achieve minimal cost and max. benefit. And word of mouth just expanded with the net.

    People like to help each other. Industries don't.

  • Shreela

    3/26/2009 2:14:00 AM |

    Dr. Davis: Did you and Jenny compare IP addresses between your emailer and her commenters by any chance?

    I searched for the following keyword combinations:

    fish oil recall
    cvs fish oil fire retardant
    cvs fish oil recall
    cvs omega fire retardant recall
    cvs fish oil PBDE recall
    cvs fish oil PCB recall

    I would hope that news of the nation's number 1 chain pharmacy having a very popular supplement recalled because of toxic contamination would be heavily represented in search results. But NO!

    Except that last keyword combo's first result did have "lab tested for contaminants", and surprise, CVS's fish oil caps passed (and they sourced Consumer Lab, so extra cred for their article):
    http://www.supplementgenius.com/2008/08/09/50-fish-oil-supplements-get-lab-tested/

    One of the emailer's other claims intrigued me, so I searched these keyword combos:

    omega 6 inhibits bioavailablity of omega 3
    omega 6 decrease bioavailablity of omega 3

    I haven't found much on omega 6 affecting bioavailability of omega 3 yet, but I did find a 97 study about "inadequate intake of vitamin E results in a decreased absorption of omega-3" at least.

  • Andrew

    3/26/2009 8:04:00 AM |

    "Here are two FDA websites that describe exactly how they indeed do regulate the supplement industry:

    http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/supplmnt.html

    http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/dscgmps6.html"

    Sadly, that's not really regulation.  

    From the FDA website:
    "Generally, manufacturers do not need to register their products with FDA nor get FDA approval before producing or selling dietary supplements.* Manufacturers must make sure that product label information is truthful and not misleading."

    It's the classic case of police oversight (actively looking for violators) vs. fire-alarm oversight (only responding when an alert has been raised).  So while it's true that regulation exists, it's not where it needs to be.

    If you have time, check out the documentary "Bigger, Faster, Stronger."  They show how absurdly easy it is to produce, promote and sell supplements that are complete and total garbage.

  • Trinkwasser

    3/26/2009 7:08:00 PM |

    Who needs fish oil supplements when you can eat the whole fish???

    In all seriousness there may be quality control issues with supplements, but I *decimated* my trigs simply by not eating excess carbs. I can't think of a way that something you don't eat could be adulterated

  • Dr. William Davis

    3/26/2009 9:43:00 PM |

    Hi, Shreela--

    Sorry, but it didn't even occur to me. We'll have to do that next time (and I'm sure there will be a next time).

  • Dr. William Davis

    3/26/2009 9:44:00 PM |

    Remember: We take fish oil to accomplish more than reduce triglycerides.

    It also reduces cardiovascular events, accelerates clearance of post-prandial abnormal particles, and modifies plaque composition.

  • Nameless

    3/27/2009 6:45:00 AM |

    My cardiologist tried to prescribe me Lovaza over the fish oil I normally take, using the argument that OTC brands may have mercury in them. I of course declined her offer, and tried to tell her that OTC brands are rather unlikely to have mercury.

    But it got me interested in the differences, if any, between Lovaza and OTC fish oil. I originally contacted GlaxoSmithKline, which was a waste of time, no response. So I went right to the source, Pronovo, the company that actually makes Lovaza for Glaxo. I had two questions, why are transfats listed as being in the product, and what about oxidation, which is the real potential problem with fish oils, not mercury contamination.

    Response from Pronovo for the transfats question:
    However I can assure you that Lovaza has never contained partially hydrogeneated oil. This is simply a mistake. I agree, it is not good marketing - and we are working on it.

    -- Okay, weird answer, but I guess it's believable... kinda. I still don't see why they wouldn't have fixed it by now though. It's sort of like marketing Lipitor -- now with extra trans-fats!

    And regarding oxidation, which i consider the main issue with fish oils, they say that Lovaza is stable at room temperature, even after its opened. They went on to say they don't recommend refrigerating it, as the shelf life may not have been determined in refrigerator conditions.

    Huh? To the best of my knowledge, after fish oil has been opened it's always been considered safest to refrigerate it, to limit potential oxidation. If a liquid is used, it's even more important. And the higher the percentage of omega 3s, the greater the potential for oxidation. So why wouldn't it be suggested to refrigerate Lovaza?

    The only reason I can come up with relates to the last thing they said to me:

    Anyway, you can store Lovaza toghether with other medications. I gues this may be considered a
    good thing when it comes to patient compliance.

    ---

    And then I thought about how pharmacists store medications. Or say, mail order places, which ship 3 month supplies, where they will ship using their own bottles -- meaning they had to use open Lovaza bottles. So this basically means patients will be getting fish oil that has been sitting around for god knows how long, open, and non-refrigerated... and then finally shipped in the Medco (or whatever mail order) bottles, to be used for the next 3 months. And this whole time the fish oil has been exposed to air with no refrigeration.

    So how is Lovaza better than OTC fish oil again? At least I can count on OTC fish oil being sealed and not exposed to air when I buy it.

  • Dr. William Davis

    3/27/2009 1:04:00 PM |

    Hi, Nameless--

    The pharmacist opening the bottle of Lovaza hadn't occurred to me. Excellent point.

    Yet another reason to avoid using this overpriced product.

  • mtflight

    3/27/2009 4:10:00 PM |

    We're missing this:

    the peroxidation is what allows the liver to abort the production of VLDL/triglycerides and through the subsequent delipidation cascade the other particles that would result. See my post above!

    The plaque composition and reduction of cardiovascular events "probably" due to it affecting the omega balances (6:3) and therefore the eicosanoid production.

    I take generic, enteric-coated fish oil. The one I buy has some tocopherols (to prevent peroxidation).

  • Anonymous

    3/27/2009 6:18:00 PM |

    The anon poster made a grave mistake fish oil is not a "drug" it is a food!

  • Nameless

    3/27/2009 6:47:00 PM |

    The only advantage to Lovaza I can see, assuming the patient gets sealed bottles of the stuff, is the reduction in pills daily. And I guess that'd be good for those with stomach issues where they can't tolerate too many pills a day. Although even there we are only talking about like 1 or 2 less capsules daily.

    What would be interesting are studies comparing high dose capsules vs low dose in patients, and see if there is any difference in outcomes. I am curious if Dr. Davis has noticed any difference between patients on fish oil with higher omega 3 content (ex: 600mg/capsule vs 300mg/capsule). In theory, the additional non-EPA/DHA fats in the capsule of lower strength fish oils could have some negative effects. But without studies, who knows?

    Same with the forms of fish oil, which tend to be ignored. Are ethyl esters as effective as triglyceride forms? The current studies are mixed... some show no difference, some show the triglyceride  form of Omega 3s absorbing a lot better.

    For Lovaza to back up any of their claims, they need to do a head-to-head study with a good OTC fish oil, say like Carlson's or Nordic Naturals. But we know that'll never happen. Generic Lovaza may hit the market by years end too, depending on what the courts rule, which will be weird. Companies like the ones I mentioned above, or Meg-3, could cash in by licensing with a drug maker and just reselling their OTC fish oil as a new 'drug'. Which would completely obliterate any notion that Lovaza is different than OTC fish oils too.

  • Anne

    3/28/2009 12:40:00 PM |

    I am prescribed Lovaza, though it's called Omacor here in the UK. I used to buy my fish oils from the health food store and it was costing me around £25 ($36) per month - obviously fish oils are much dearer in the UK - so I asked my cardiologist to prescribe me Omacor and he did. My prescriptions are free of charge under the National Health Service so I'm now getting my fish oils for free.

    I was very puzzled that the manufacturers say not to store Omacor in the refrigerator and on pressing them, saying that in the summer I could not be sure that the temperature in my house would stay under 25 C they conceded that I could store the Omacor in the fridge: "If you feel that a temperature rise may affect your Omacor, then it is possible to store the product in the fridge."  !

    Anne

  • Trinkwasser

    3/30/2009 3:10:00 PM |

    Has anyone found differences between brands (or between the same brand at different times, they may come from different sources) in their palatabily?

    I tend to feel bloated and get fishy belches with the capsules I've tried (not Costco or Lovasa but various OTC and mail order types) which doesn't happen with the whole fish, except for elderly mackerel or stale kippers. You don't know how old the capsules might be or how they've been stored.

    My theory is, by reducing the carbs and Omega 6s a lower dose of Omega 3s will probably work. I'll let you know if I'm right or not after I'm dead (grins)

  • Bill

    3/31/2009 5:21:00 PM |

    Michael said: "The argument that the vitamin industry is self-regulated and answers to nobody is genuine."

    Comment: Some easily identifiable companies self-regulation is far superior than the FDA's regulation of drug companies Michael considering the FDA's record on such matters. If one were to take the time to look for reliable providers of high-quality supplements they would be far ahead of the game and have zero the risk of the myriad of side effects caused by pharmaceutical drugs which are often times rehashed toxic byproducts of the manufacturing process put in pill form instead of being paid for to dispose of.

    Michael said:" Look what happened to the financial industry with self regulated derivative products!"

    Comment: Relevance?

    Michael said: "Given a choice between lab-tested Lovaza and an off-the-shelf fish oil that has no oversight for their claims ... I'll have to go with the Lovaza.

    Comment: Have at it Michael and take with it the dozens of risks for side effects that go with it vs. the safety of the fish oil supplements.

    Michael said: "My triglycerides were 800+ ... now they are 300. My physician said, with triglycerides that high, I can't take the chance of getting a dud bottle of vitamins."

    Comment: Just what you would expect from a doctor who is PROGRAMMED to view vitamins or other nutritional supplements as worthless from YEARS of programming efforts by Big Pharma and virtually no classes on Orthomolecular medicine which has been widely studied for decades upon decades with great results and few risks at even high levels of dosing to deal with serious nutritional deficiencies (aka-"chemical" imbalances).

    Chalk another one up to the propoganda machine Michael - you seem to have bought in hook line and sinker or maybe you're just a paid propogandist?

    In health and in truth,
    Bill

  • cAPSLOCK

    4/5/2009 7:45:00 PM |

    Anne... I must pick at a nit.  Yu said:

    My prescriptions are free of charge under the National Health Service so I'm now getting my fish oils for free.

    They are far from free.  I understand you do not seem to have to pay for them, but we are all paying, even on this side of the sea, for the "free percriptions" folks receive.

  • Anne

    4/7/2009 7:44:00 AM |

    Hi Capslock,

    The money I am charged in my taxes goes towards the cost of the National Health Service so from that point of view my prescriptions are not free, but I am paying my taxes regardless of whether I buy the fish oils from the health food store or get them at no cost on prescription. Since the fish oils are *extremely* expensive from the health food store and since I pay my  taxes this seems the best deal to me.

    Anne

  • Anne

    4/9/2009 7:04:00 AM |

    Hi Capslock, a PS to my previous message - I'm thinking you must be thinking that the UK system is similar to the American one and that only low income people don't pay prescription charges ? No, everyone under 18 and over 60 gets their prescriptions free, and anyone who has one of certain chronic conditions gets them free too, doesn't matter what your income is or even if you're a millionaire !

    If I did pay for my prescriptions then the maximum charge for anyone is £7.20 per prescription, no matter the price of the medicine, no matter the income of the patient....and £7.20 for a prescription of Omacor fish oils is still much cheaper than buying fish oils from the health food store !

    Anne

  • Fda Regulatory Affairs

    4/17/2009 11:40:00 AM |

    Thanks for this informative post

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