Restaurant eating: A fructose landmine

There is no remaining question that fructose is among the worst possible things humans can consume.

Followers of the Heart Scan Blog already know this, from conversations like The LDL-Fructose Disconnect, Where do you find fructose?, and Goodbye, fructose.

But fructose, usually as either high-fructose corn syrup (44%, 55%, occasionally higher percentage fructose) or sucrose (50% fructose), is ubiquitous. I've seen it in the most improbable places, including cole slaw, mustard, and dill pickles.

It's reasonably straightforward to avoid or minimize fructose exposure while eating at home, provided you check labels and focus on foods that don't require labels (like green peppers, salmon, and olive oil, i.e., unprocessed foods). But when you choose to eat at a restaurant, then all hell can break loose and fructose exposure can explode.

So what are some common and unsuspected fructose sources when eating at a restaurant?

Salad dressings--Dressings in all stripes and flavors are now made with high-fructose corn syrup and/or sucrose. This is especially true of low-fat, non-fat, or "lite" dressings, meaning oils have been replaced by high-fructose corn syrup. It can also be true of traditional non-low-fat dressings, too, since high-fructose corn syrup is just plain cheap.

Olive oil and vinegar are still your safest bets. I will often use salsa as a dressing, which works well.

Sauces and gravies--Not only can sauces be thickened with cornstarch, many pre-mixed sauces are also made with high-fructose corn syrup or sweetened with sucrose. Barbecue sauce is a particular landmine, since it is now a rare barbecue sauce not made with high-fructose corn syrup as the first or second ingredient. Sauces for dipping are nearly always high-fructose corn syrup-based.

Ketchup--Yup. Good old ketchup even is now made with high-fructose corn syrup. In fact, you should be suspicious of any condiment.

Highball, Bloody Mary, Margarita, Daiquiri, beer--Even the before-dinner or dinner drink can have plenty of fructose, particularly if a mix is used to make it. While Blood Marys seem the most benign of all, adorned with celery, pickle, and olive, just take a look at the ingredient label on the mix used: high-fructose corn syrup.

Fructose is a stealth poison: It doesn't immediately increase blood sugar; it doesn't trigger any perceptible effect like increased energy or sleepiness. But it is responsible for an incredible amount of the health struggles in the U.S., from obesity, to diabetes, to hyperlipidemias and heart disease, to arthritis, to cataracts.

A glycation rock and a hard place

Advanced Glycation End-products, or AGEs, the stuff of aging that mucks up brains, kidneys, and arteries, develop via two different routes: endogenous (from within the body) and exogenous (from outside the body).

Endogenous AGEs develop via glycation. Glycation of proteins in the body occurs when there are glucose excursions above normal. For instance, a blood glucose of 150 mg/dl after your bowl of stone-ground oatmeal causes glycation of proteins left and right, from the proteins in the lens of your eyes (cataracts), to the proteins in your kidneys (proteinuria and kidney dysfunction), to skin cells (wrinkles), to cartilage (brittle cartilage followed by arthritis), to LDL particles, especially small LDL particles (atherosclerosis).

At what blood sugar level does glycation occur? It occurs even at "normal" glucose levels below 100 mg/dl (with measurable long-term cardiovascular effects as low as 83 mg/dl). In other words, some level of glycation proceeds even at blood glucose levels regarded as normal.

There's nothing we can do about the low-level of glycation that occurs at low blood sugar levels of, say, 90 mg/dl or less. However, we can indeed do a lot to not allow glycation to proceed more rapidly, as it inevitably will at blood sugar levels higher than 90 mg/dl.

How do you keep blood sugars below 90 mg/dl to prevent excessive glycation? Avoid or minimize the foods that cause such rises in blood sugar: carbohydrates.

What food increases blood sugar higher than nearly all other known foods? Wheat.

Is einkorn the answer?

People ask: "What if I would like a piece of bread or other baked product just once in a while? What is safe?"

Eli Rogosa, Director of The Heritage Wheat Conservancy, believes that a return to the wheat of our ancestors in the Fertile Crescent, circa 10,000 years ago, is the answer.

Former science teacher, now organic farmer, farm researcher, and advocate of sustainable agriculture, Eli has been reviving "heritage" crops farmed under organic conditions, some of her research USDA-funded.

In particular, Eli has been cultivating original 14-chromosome ("diploid") einkorn wheat. Although einkorn contains gluten (in lesser quantities despite the higher total protein content), the group of proteins that trigger the immune abnormalities of celiac disease and other immune phenomena, Eli tells me that she has witnessed many people with a variety of wheat intolerances, including celiac disease, tolerate foods made with einkorn wheat. (The variety of glutens in einkorn differ from the glutens of the dwarf mutant that now dominate supermarket shelves.)

Eli travels to Israel every year, returning with "heritage" seeds for wheat and other crops. She formerly worked in the Israel GenBank as Director of the Ancient Wheat Program. She has written a brochure that describes her einkorn wheat.

Eli sent me 2 lb of her einkorn grain that nutritionist, Margaret Pfeiffer, and I ground into bread. Our experience is detailed here. My subsequent blood sugar misadventure, comparing einkorn bread to conventional organic whole wheat bread is detailed here, followed by the odd neurologic effects I experienced here.

Anyone else wishing to try this little ancient wheat experiment with einkorn can also obtain either the unground grain or ground flour through Eli's website, www.growseed.org. Most recently, einkorn pasta is being retailed under the Jovial brand at Whole Foods Market.

If anyone else makes bread or any other food with Eli's einkorn wheat, please let me know:

1) Your blood sugar response (before and 1 hour after consumption)
2) Whether you experienced any evidence of wheat intolerance similar to what you experienced with conventional wheat, e.g., rash, acid reflux, gas and cramping, moodiness, asthma, etc.

But remember: Wheat effects or no, einkorn is still a grain. My belief is that humans do best with little or no grain. The einkorn experience is an effort to identify reasonable compromises so that you and I can have a piece of birthday cake once a year without getting sick.

Genetic incompatibility

Peter has lipoprotein(a), or Lp(a), a genetic pattern shared by 11% of Americans.

It means that Peter inherited a gene that codes for a protein, called apoprotein(a), that attaches to LDL particles, forming the combined particle Lp(a). It also means that his overall pattern responds well to a high-fat, high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet: The small LDL particles that accompany Lp(a) over 90% of the time are reduced, Lp(a) itself is modestly reduced, other abnormalities like high triglycerides (that facilitate Lp(a)'s adverse effects) are corrected. Small LDL particles are, by the way, part of the genetic "package" of Lp(a) in most carriers.

Peter also has another gene for Apo E4, another genetically-determined pattern shared by 19% of Americans. (Another 2% of Americans have two "doses" of Apo E4, i.e., they are homozygotes for E4.) This means that the Apo E protein, normally responsible for liver uptake and disposal of lipoproteins (especially VLDL), is defective. In people with Apo E4, the higher the fat intake, the more LDL particles accumulate. (The explanation for this effect is not entirely clear, but it may represent excessive defective Apo E-enriched VLDL that competes with LDL for liver uptake.) People with Apo E4 therefore drop LDL (and LDL particle number and apoprotein B) with reductions in fat intake.

This is a genetic rock-and-a-hard-place, or what I call a genetic incompatibility. If Peter increases fat and reduces carbohydrates to reduce Lp(a)/small LDL, then LDL measures like LDL particle number, apoprotein B, and LDL cholesterol will increase. Paradoxically, sometimes small LDL particles will even increase in some genetically predisposed people.

If Peter decreases fat and increases carbohydrates, LDL particle number, apoprotein B, and LDL cholesterol will decrease, but the proportion of small LDL will increase and Lp(a) may increase.

Thankfully, such "genetic incompatibilities" are uncommon. In my large practice, for instance, I have about 5 such people.

The message: If you witness paradoxic responses that don't make sense or follow the usual pattern, e.g., reductions in LDL particle number, apoprotein B, and small LDL with reductions in their dietary triggers (i.e., carbohydrates, especially wheat), then consider a competing genetic trait such as Apo E4.

The folly of an RDA for vitamin D

Tom is a 50-year old, 198-lb white male. At the start, his 25-hydroxy vitamin D level was 28.8 ng/ml in July. Tom supplements vitamin D, 2000 units per day, in gelcap form. Six months later in January (winter), Tom's 25-hydroxy vitamin D level: 67.4 ng/ml.

Jerry is another 50-year old white male with similar build and weight. Jerry's starting summer 25-hydroxy vitamin D level: 26.4 ng/ml. Jerry takes 12,000 units vitamin D per day, also in gelcap form. In winter, six months later, Jerry's 25-hydroxy vitamin D level: 63.2 ng/ml.

Two men, similar builds, similar body weight, both Caucasian, similar starting levels of 25-hydroxy vitamin D. Yet they have markedly different needs for vitamin D dose to achieve a similar level of 25-hydroxy vitamin D. Why?

It's unlikely to be due to variation in vitamin D supplement preparations, since I monitor vitamin D levels at least every 6 months and, even with changes in preparations, dose needs remain fairly constant.

The differences in this situation are likely genetically-determined. To my knowledge, however, the precise means by which genetic variation accounts for it has not been worked out.

This highlights the folly of specifying a one-size-fits-all Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA) for vitamin D. The variation in need can be incredible. While needs are partly determined by body size and proportion body fat (the bigger you are, the more you need), I've also seen 105 lb women require 14,000 units and 320-lb men require 1000 units to achieve the same level of 25-hydroxy vitamin D.

An RDA for everyone? Ridiculous. Vitamin D is an individual issue that must be addressed on a person-by-person basis.

Heart scan: Standard of care?

If coronary disease is easy to detect by measuring coronary calcium, shouldn't this represent the standard of care?

In other words, if you've been seeing your doctor and he/she has been monitoring cholesterol levels and, inevitably, talks about statin drugs, then you have a heart attack, unstable angina, or die--yet never knew you had heart disease--isn't this negligence?

Coronary calcium, and thereby coronary atherosclerotic plaque, are markers for the disease itself. Unlike cholesterol, high blood pressure, etc., that represent risk factors for coronary atherosclerotic plaque, coronary calcium is a measure of total plaque: "soft" elements like lipid collections, necrotic tissue, fibrous tissue, as well as "hard" elements like calcium. Because calcium occupies 20% of total atherosclerotic plaque volume, it can be used as an indirect "dipstick" for total plaque.

So why isn't an unexpected heart attack, hospitalization for unstable heart symptions, emergency bypass, etc., not regarded as potential malpractice? These are not benign events, but potentially life-threatening.

The costs of doing drug business?

Here's a telling situation.

Liz had been on prescription niacin, Niaspan, 1500 mg per day (3 x 500 mg tablets) for several years to treat her severe small LDL pattern and familial hypertriglyceridemia (triglycerides 500-1000 mg/dl). Because her health insurance had been paying for the "drug," she insisted on taking the prescription form.

A change in insurance, however, meant that the Niaspan was no longer covered. Her pharmacy wanted to charge $227 per month.

Liz came to the office in tears, worried that she was going to have to choke up $227 per month. I reminded her that, as I had told her several years ago, she could easily replace the Niaspan with over-the-counter Sloniacin or Enduracin. Both release niacin over approximately 6 hours, just like Niaspan.

Here are the prices I've seen with Sloniacin, 100 tablets of 500 mg:

Walgreens: $15.99
Walmart: $12.99
Costco: $8.99

So the most expensive source, Walgreens, would cost Liz just under $15.99 per month to take 1500 mg per day.

$15.99 versus $227.00 per month for preparations that are highly similar. Hmmmmmm.

I wonder what the $211.01 extra per month goes towards? Admittedly, Abbott Labs, the current company selling Niaspan (after Abbott acquired Kos), has invested in a few clinical trials, such as ARBITER-HALTS6. But does supporting research justify this much difference, a difference that amounts to $2532 over a year? If just 100,000 patients are prescribed Niaspan at this dose (a typical dose), this generates $253 million.

Is the cost of developing and marketing a supplement-turned-drug that great? Is this justifiable? Is it any wonder that our health insurance premiums continue to balloon?

I use Sloniacin and Enduracin almost exclusively.

Measurement

A crucial component of self-empowerment in healthcare is to be able to measure various health parameters. More and more measurement tools are entering the direct-to-consumer arena.

Quantification of various phenomena is important in managing many aspects of health. Imagine a carpenter trying to build a house without the use of a tape measure, level, or other measuring tools. In health, as in building a house, measurement, adjustment, and correction are critical.

Among the most helpful health measurement tools:

Blood glucose meters--Blood glucose meters aren't just for diabetics. They are among the most powerful weight loss tools available.

Blood pressure cuffs--There's no better way to assess blood pressure than to assess it under all the varied conditions of life: When you're tired, when you're excited, when you're upset, when you're happy, hungry, stomach full, morning, night. This is a lot better than the one isolated measure in the doctor's office.

Digital thermometers--Your first a.m. oral temperature is a great way to assess thyroid status. We aim to maintain first a.m. oral temperature around 97.3 degrees F, the normal human temperature upon arising that reflects normal thyroid function. (No, Dr. Broda Barnes fans, axillary temperatures should NOT be used due to flagrant variation from right armpit to left armpit, modifying effects of clothing and ambient temperature, etc. Oral temperature tracks internal, "core," temperature fluctuations reliably, including circadian variation, far better than axillary temperatures.)

Fingerstick blood tests--An incredible number of blood tests are now available just by performing a simple fingerstick in your kitchen or bathroom. You can get 25-hydroxy vitamin D, lipids, thyroid measures (TSH, free T3, free T4), hormones (DHEA, testosterone, estrogens). And the list is growing rapidly. Salivary tests are also growing in number for many of the same measures.

A variation on fingerstick blood tests are devices like CardioChek that allow you to do a fingerstick, but also run the test on your own device at home. (The CardioChek device tests total cholesterol, triglycerides, and HDL.)

Urine pH--You can dipstick your own urine to assess the relative acidity or alkalinity of your lifestyle. Acid pH (7 or below) suggests that diet is weighed too heavily in favor of animal products and grains. An alkaline pH (above 7) suggests plentiful vegetables and fruits, not counteracted by animal products and grains.

There are many more, including the ZEO device to monitor sleep quality, RESPeRATE for reduction of blood pressure, HeartMath to manage stress and augment the parasympathatic (relaxation) response. We've come a long way compared to the health monitoring devices of just 25-30 years ago.

Anyway, that's a partial list. Given the rapid advances in technology that allow such home tests, I anticipate a much longer list in the coming few years.

For some perspective on how far these devices have come, here's a great graphic of an early sphygmomanometer, or blood pressure gauge.


Courtesy Wellcome Library, London

I lost 37 lbs with a fingerstick

Jack needed to lose weight.

At 5 ft 7 inches, he weighed in at 273 lbs, putting his BMI at a sobering 42.8. (A BMI of 30 or above is classified as "obese.") In addition to lipoprotein(a), Jack had an extravagant quantity of small LDL (the evil "partner" of lipoprotein(a)), high triglycerides, and blood sugars in the diabetic range. With a heart scan score of 1670, Jack had little room for compromises.

Try as he might, Jack could simply not stick to the diet I urged him to follow. Three days, for instance, of avoiding wheat was promptly interrupted by his wife's tempting him with a nice BLT sandwich. This triggered his appetite, with diet spiraling downward in short order.

So I taught Jack how to check his blood sugars using a fingerstick device, what I call the most important weight loss tool available. I asked Jack to check his pre-meal blood glucose and his one-hour after-meal blood glucose and not allow the after-meal blood glucose to rise any higher than the pre-meal. For example, if blood glucose pre-meal was 115 mg/dl, after-meal blood glucose should be no higher than 115 mg/dl.

If any food or combination of foods increase blood glucose more than the pre-meal value, then eliminate the culprit food or reduce the portion size. For example, if dinner consists of baked salmon, asparagus, and mashed potatoes, and pre-meal blood glucose is 115 mg/dl, post-meal 155 mg/dl, reduce or eliminate the mashed potatoes. If slow-cooked, stone ground oatmeal causes blood glucose to increase from 115 mg/dl to 185 mg/dl (a typical response to oatmeal), then eliminate it.

Having immediate feedback on the effects of various foods finally did it for Jack: It identified foods that were triggering excessive blood sugar rises (and thereby insulin) and foods that did not.

What Jack did not do is limit or restrict calories. In fact, I asked him to eat portion sizes that left him comfortable. There was no need to reduce calories, push the plate away, etc. Just don't allow blood sugars to rise.

Six months later, Jack came back 37 lbs lighter. And he got there without calorie-counting, without regulating portion sizes, without hunger.

The two kinds of small LDL

You won't find this in any publication nor description (at least ones that I've come across) about the ubiquitous small LDL particles. It's an observation I've made having obtained thousands of advanced lipoprotein panels of the sort that break lipoproteins down by size. I've discussed this issue previously here. But small LDL is so ubiquitous, not addressed by conventional strategies like statin drugs or fat restriction (it is made worse, in fact, by reducing fat in the diet), that it is worth keeping at the top of everyone's consciousness.

(Because most of the lipoprotein analyses performed in my office are done via NMR, I will discuss in terms relevant to NMR. This does not necessarily mean that similar observations cannot be made with centrifugation, i.e, VAP from Atherotech, or gel electropheresis from Berkeley, Boston Heart Lab, Spectracell, and others).

There are two basic varieties of small LDL particles:

1) Genetically-programmed--e.g., via cholesteryl-ester transfer protein (CETP) activity
2) Acquired--via carbohydrate consumption


It means that people with acquired small LDL from carbohydrate consumption can reduce small LDL to zero with reduction of carbohydrates, especially the most small LDL-provoking foods of all: wheat, cornstarch, and sucrose.

It also means that people who have small LDL for genetically-determined reasons can only minimize, not eliminate, small LDL. By NMR, we struggle to keep small LDL in the 300-600 nmol/L range when genetically-determined. (People typically start with 1400-3000 nmol/L small LDL particles prior to diet changes and other efforts.) We can only presumptively identify genetically-determined small LDL when all the appropriate efforts have been made, including reduction in weight to ideal, yet small LDL persists.

Here is where we need better tools: when you've done everything possible, yet small LDL persists.

While we break LDL particles (NOT LDL cholesterol, the crude and misleading way of viewing atherosclerosis causation) down by size, it's really about all the undesirable characteristics that accompany small size:

--Distortion of Apo B conformation--i.e., the primary protein that directs LDL particle fate is distorted, making it less likely to be cleared by the liver but more likely to be taken up by inflammatory (macrophages) in the artery wall, creating plaque. It means that small LDL particles linger for a longer time than larger particles.

--Small LDLs are more oxidation-prone. Oxidized LDL are more avidly taken up by inflammatory macrophages.

--Small LDLs are more glycation-prone.

--Small LDLs are more adherent to structural tissues, e.g., glycosaminoglycans, that reside in the artery wall.

You and I cannot measure such phenomena, so we resort to distinguishing LDL particles by size.

The drug industry believes it may have a solution to small LDL in the form of CETP-inhibiting drugs, like anacetrapib. In the way of nutritional solutions beyond carbohydrate reduction, weight loss/exercise, niacin, vitamin D normalization, and omega-3 fatty acid supplementation, there are exciting but very preliminary data surrounding the possibility that anthocyanins may inhibit CETP activity. Having toyed with this concept for the past 6 months, I remain uncertain how meaningful the effect truly is, but it is harmless, since we obtain anthocyanins from foods colored purple or purplish, such as blackberries, blueberries, cherries, red leaf lettuce, red cabbage, etc.

I welcome any unique observations on this issue.
The case against vitamin D2

The case against vitamin D2

Why would vitamin D be prescribed when vitamin D3 is available over-the-counter?

Let's review the known differences between vitamin D2 (ergocalciferol) and vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol):

--D3 is the human form; D2 is the non-human form found in plants.

--Dose for dose, D3 is more effective at raising blood levels of 25-hydroxy vitamin D than D2. It requires roughly twice to 250% of the dose of D2 to match that of D3 (Trang H et al 1998).

--D2 blood levels don't yield long-term sustained levels of 25-hydroxy vitamin D as does D3. When examined as a 28-day area under the curve (AUC--a superior measure of biologic exposure), D3 yields better than a 300% increased potency compared to D2. This means that it requires around 50,000 units D2 to match the effects of 15,000 units D3 (Armas LA et al 2004).

--D2 has lower binding affinity for vitamin D-binding protein, compared to D3

--Mitochondrial vitamin D 25-hydroxylase converts D3 to the 25-hydroxylated form five times more rapidly than D2.

--As we age, the ability to metabolize D2 is dramatically reduced, while D3 is not subject to this phenomenon (Harris SS et al 2002).




From Armas LA, Hollis BW, Heaney RP 2004


While there are dissenters on this view, the bulk of evidence suggests that D2 is an inferior form of D3.

Then why is D2 prescribed by many doctors when the natural, human, and superior D3 is available over-the-counter?

You already know the answer: Much of your doctor's education did not come from scientific lectures nor from reading scientific studies. It came from the pretty drug representative in the waiting room who hands the doctor reprints of the "studies" performed by the drug industry to support the use of their drugs. There is no such nutritional supplement representative in the waiting room. This preference for the "drug" D2 over the supplement D3 also stems from the inherent preference of physicians for things they can control, whether or not there is proof of superiority.

In my view, there is absolutely no reason to take vitamin D2 over D3 except to enrich the drug industry.

Comments (40) -

  • Barkeater

    8/11/2009 1:08:02 PM |

    I recently had a discussion with a relative who got a prescription for Vitamin D.  (This after I bought her a Vitamin D test from Grassroots showing a level of 19.)  I told her the prescription was a bad idea as it was surely Vitamin D2.  She looked into it and came back and told me, no, it was D3.  I have not seen it, but I am asking now - is it really true that prescriptions are invariably D2?  She claimed it was 50k IU of D3, once a week.

    Separately, I see it stated here and there that the Vitamin D added to milk is D2.  Most milk labels I see show it as D3.

  • Anne

    8/11/2009 2:41:22 PM |

    A bit of information that the drug reps don't tell the physician is people need to be on a maintenance dose. I have seen so many people who were prescribed D2 for a few months. Once the vitamin D level rose to over 30, they were told they could discontinue taking the D2.

    One person told me that she had started and stopped D2 three times. She said her doctor could not figure out why her vitamin D level keeps dropping when the D is stopped. At least she was retested. The other people who were told to stop taking D2, were never retested once their D hit "normal".  

    I have a friend who told her doctor she would get her vitamin D as D3 OTC. She said he expressed surprise that it could be bought without a prescription.

  • Richard A.

    8/11/2009 5:06:19 PM |

    The study you site appears to use the dry form of vitamin D3.

  • Tony Kenck

    8/11/2009 5:06:41 PM |

    So is D2 a prescription medicine?

  • TedHutchinson

    8/11/2009 5:13:14 PM |

    Here is an abstract providing an example of the total lack of effect of D2 in a patient.
    The lack of vitamin D toxicity with megadose of daily ergocalciferol (D2) therapy:
    The maximum daily dose of vitamin D currently recommended is 2000 IU. Ergocalciferol (D2) 50,000 IU orally weekly for 8-12 weeks is often used to treat vitamin D deficient patients (25(OH) vitamin D <20 ng/mL).
    The lack of vitamin D toxicity after massive doses of ergocalciferol has yet to be reported in the literature.
    We report a case of a 56-year-old woman who received supratherapeutic doses of ergocalciferol (150,000 IU orally daily) for 28 years without toxicity. We discuss the possible mechanisms which may account for a lack of toxicity despite intake of massive daily doses of ergocalciferol in this patient.


    The sad aspect to this story is that as Vitamin D2 at that ridiculously high intake didn't do her harm, it's also probable that her body did not recognise it at all, so it probably didn't do her any good either. As there have been other accounts of people taking large (but not as huge as this case) amounts of D2 and it not having any noticeable effect on Vitamin d deficiency symptoms it seems just pointless to risk using it, when there is a cheaper, more reliable, alternative readily available.

  • billye

    8/11/2009 8:23:28 PM |

    I think it is up to the patient who is tuned in to this fine blog and several other like minded blogs who preach as you do, such  as "nephropal.blogspot.com" to bring your information to their primary doctors.  My primary doctor still takes a Staten drug even though he knows and marvels at the health gains that I have achieved through supplementation with high dose vitamin D3 and high dose omega 3fish oil, along with a cave man like diet.  I asked him why he take a Staten drug when they work by increasing his vitamin D level? I said just take vitamin D3 instead of the Staten drug.  His answer was that he only takes a little Staten drug.  When he found my wife to be vitamin D deficient, he in fact ordered a script for vitamin D2.  I insisted that she take OTC vitamin D3 and after a tussle he gave in.  

    I am sorry to say that only we the patients can change the system.  I don't blame the very over worked primary care physicians who have no time to read the necessary science.  We the patients have to bring the relevant data to them.  After all it's our health that is being impacted.

  • Dr. William Davis

    8/11/2009 10:53:05 PM |

    Bark--

    There is indeed a prescription D3.

    Now, why a prescription form is necessary is beyond me. I suppose we could make prescription vitamin C, too, and charge $120 per month.

  • Dr. William Davis

    8/11/2009 10:53:51 PM |

    Hi, Anne-

    Yes, I also see this incredible blunder occuring around me.

    I'm not sure what they're thinking.

  • Anonymous

    8/12/2009 12:28:05 AM |

    Vitamin D3 1000 IU 240 tablets per bottle x 2 bottles purchased from Costco is dirt cheap.  $5.20 Cdn.  Very cheap $ U.S. dollars.

    I take 3,000 to 5,000 IU daily and associate it with stopping hot flashes.

    Inadvertently 'experiments' by running out of D3 for several weeks at a time resulted in really terrific hot flashes. Nothing is quite as unpleasant as having a hot flash as soon as I wake up, for example. Clearly I have not done double blind studies.  I am (sort of) menopausal.  No periods from September 2008 to June 2009.  Now, back. Frown

    No vitamin D3 intake during summer of 2008:  terrible terrible hot flahses. Then started taking D3 3000 IU in August 2008. Ran out of D3 sometime in Januray.  Hot flashes started up sometime later.  However, no hot flashes since end of March 2009.  No hot flashes from September to January.  Stopped taking D3 because too lazy to go to Costco to buy more.  Then started taking D3 and then stopped with the hot flashes and have not had another one in months even though obviously the hormones are fluctuating.

    I used to think that HRT would stop hot flashes.  HRT does nothing for the hot flashes.  Vitamin D3 appears to work much more effectively.  

    Dr. G. Kadar
    Toronto, Canada

  • Dr. William Davis

    8/12/2009 1:58:52 AM |

    Dr. Kadar--

    Fascinating observation!

    Any other ladies who've made similar observations? Or perhaps taken vitamin D yet continued to experience hot flashes?

  • Anne

    8/12/2009 2:31:35 AM |

    Tony ~ D2 can be bought as an OTC too.

    Dr. Kader ~ I have a co-worker who says her hot flashes disappear when she takes vitamin D.
    Anne

  • Peter

    8/12/2009 9:58:46 AM |

    I wonder if there is any research on your view that the tablets don't work, only the gelcaps, for raising vitamin D levles.  It seems like it would be very easy to show whether or not this is true, and very important since lots of people take the tablets.

  • Dr. William Davis

    8/12/2009 12:15:34 PM |

    Hi, Peter-

    To my knowledge, there is no research on this topic. However, having tested vitamin D blood levels thousands of times, I can say with confidence that the tablets are inconsistently absorbed--sometimes they work, often they don't, or they increase blood levels less effectively. Levels also vary widely, due to inconsistent absorption.

    Gelcaps--i.e.,oil-based--are absorbed consistently.

  • Anonymous

    8/12/2009 1:59:08 PM |

    What are some good brands of OTC D3?  I see the Costco mentioned, but has it been independently tested?  I know the Costco brand fish oil is supposedly decent, so it would make since that the D3 is as well.

    I usually order online (vitacost.com) and I like the NSI brands.  Are they good?

  • billye

    8/12/2009 4:24:24 PM |

    Dr. Kadar

    Thanks for sharing about your success with vitamin D3 bringing relief for your hot flashes.  I have a daughter who was suffering with hot flashes and refused to take the dangerous medically recommended hormones to alleviate the problem.  Instead she started to take black cohosh. when I pulled a negative study from Pub Med she stopped. She continued to suffer and not in silence.  In the meantime, understanding the health benefits, I convinced her to start taking 6000 IU of vitamin D3 soft gels.  It never dawned on me that this could be so positive relative to hot flashes.  This morning I asked her how come I don't hear any hot flash complaints and she answered that she hasn't had an episode in a very very long time.  It seems likely that we now can put a face on the reason why.  Yet another use for the miracle health supporting hormone vitamin D3.  

    It truly is a fascinating observation,as Dr. Davis remarked.  Thanks for solving this mystery.

  • Nameless

    8/12/2009 5:19:25 PM |

    It's just a guess, but the inconsistent absorption of dry  D3 sounds like it's due to fats (or lack of fats) consumed when dosing. So if patients take it with fish oil, or right after a fatty meal, it may work.

    But I see no reason to stay on dry anyway as gels are very cheap. There are also liquid drops (usually with a fat carrier) for those who dislike pills.

    I'm just waiting for a company to put out a D3/K2 gel next. They seem like logical partners.

  • Diana

    8/12/2009 6:54:38 PM |

    I have a blogsite where I am tracking successes regarding the usage of vitamin D.  Will you tell your success story?  I am an advocate and educator for using Vitamin D3.  I personally take 6000-8000 to keep my levels of D3 at the appropriate level.  

    I will never stop!  It manages the SAD disorder that I had without knowing for over 25 years.  It has changed my life.  My sense of wellbeing has increased to 100%.  Before, it was always a struggle to shake off the feeling that something always felt off, or wrong. It never felt like depression, and my outlook has always been upbeat.  But I still carried around, what I only know how to discribe as almost a sadness, or a feeling that something was wrong but I couldn't put my finger on it.  After taking the Vitamin D3, it just disappeared.  So, now I am an advocate, and believe firmly that this information must be disemminated out into the communities.  

    If you have a story to tell I would appreciate it if you would add it to my blog site:

    http://dactionhealth.ning.com/

    Best~Diana~

  • Diana

    8/12/2009 7:02:19 PM |

    There are also D3 available in liquid form.  It is great for those who can't swallow pills.  I believe it is through Biotics Research.  It is 2000U a drop.  I put 3 to 4 on my finger, and it is done. Nice to have the option and works better for children.

  • Anonymous

    8/12/2009 10:22:05 PM |

    I recently discovered while shopping for my D3 that there is also a D3 version made from sheep lanolin.  Is this as effective as the D3 from fish oil?  Is there any reason why one would be preferred over the other?  I go for the fish oil source because I just don't know anything about the other.

    I've been taking anywhere from 4,000 iu to 10,000 iu per day since February 2009 when my test revealed a level of 27 ng/dl. Last month I asked my dr for another test and he said they normally don't test again, which I just don't understand!(kaiser insurance). I still have my hot flashes but now that I think about it they are few and far between and less intense.
    Nancy

  • Anonymous

    8/12/2009 10:41:32 PM |

    Probably taking vitamin D3 tablets with a meal containing fat helps with absorption.

    I've got patients using the drops.  They butter their toast and add the relevent number of drops of D3 1000 IU per drop to their buttered toast. (I recommend 100% rye sourdough bread for those patients who must eat their bread.)

    I am now asking female patients experiencing intrusive hot flashes to take vitamin D3.  I'll wait for feedback from them.  Also for perimenopausal mood fluctuations.

    Looked at another way:  D3 is a hormone replacement therapy.  

    I do also tell patients about vitamin K2 and how it is also necessary for bone metabolism.  If they take therapeutic doses of
    vitamin D3, then they also must eat eggs (and cheese, liver, etc.)  But minimally, they must eat egg yolks.  In Canada, K2 is not available in any serious way as a supplement.  

    Dr. G. Kadar
    Toronto, Canada

  • Sue

    8/13/2009 2:35:08 PM |

    I would love to take my D3 in gelcap form, but have thus far been unable to find any here in Canada.  I sometimes take the liquid, but get hung up on what constitutes 'a drop,'  so usually settle for tablets along with fish or krill oil.  Anyone know of a Canadian source for gelcaps?

  • Neonomide

    8/13/2009 10:22:50 PM |

    Dr. William Davis said...

    "I can say with confidence that the tablets are inconsistently absorbed--sometimes they work, often they don't, or they increase blood levels less effectively. Levels also vary widely, due to inconsistent absorption.

    Gelcaps--i.e.,oil-based--are absorbed consistently."


    I cannot say anything about hot flashes since I'm a man (but can and will tell these interesting observations to PMP women I know), yet I have something to say about tablet versus powder versus gelcaps issue that may be of interest.

    I have moderate level Crohn's disease and got great help from D3 supplements for over 7 months now. I started with gelcaps (dosage 25-75 µg/d), then abruptly moved into powder form (Vit D Max, dosage 125 µg/d) and observed GREAT improvement in a couple of weeks. Even my BP dropped so much - from 145/95 to 115/75 and I even got dizzy during daytime. (I also took some melatonin to be fair).

    Then - after about 4 months - I changed back to gelcap form and kept the dosage and experienced somewhat more symptoms - if only for a while.

    Is it possible that powder form may work more quickly, or did my powder D3 contain more D3 than mentioned? I honestly don't know.

    I wrote for Dr B G about my Crohn improvement a while ago but she seems to be on holiday as we're speaking? Smile

    - Neo

  • Anonymous

    8/13/2009 11:18:11 PM |

    I buy small easy to dissolve capsules of D3 (dry powder, not oil) made by Bio-Tech from Dr. Eades' Protein Power site (no affliation other than as a reader).  The cost for the dose is very, very good ($8 for 100 capsules) and the bottles are small.  I was able to buy 11 bottles for the same shipping price as 1 bottle, so I stocked up and shared with family members (my experience is that middle aged adults need at least 5000iu per day year round to keep 25 (OH)D levels above 50 ng/mL).  I test at least twice a year, so I know that the D3 is absorbing.  

    I also usually take the D3 around the same time I am consuming some fat, which probably helps with absorption.  Other family members take Carlson's oil capsules with good results.  We avoid hard tablets.

    Bio-tech also makes a non-prescription D3 in a 50,000iU dose, 12 capsules for about $18 (plus shipping), which is a very competitive price compared to high dose Rx D2.

  • rendev

    8/14/2009 5:07:29 AM |

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  • TedHutchinson

    8/15/2009 6:29:52 PM |

    Readers who are using Vitamin D3 for cancer prevention may be interested in this new paper from Vieth
    How to Optimize Vitamin D Supplementation
    to Prevent Cancer, Based on Cellular
    Adaptation and Hydroxylase Enzymology

    The hypothesis seeks to answer some of the Dilemmas that challenge the vitamin D/Cancer hypothesis regarding prostate/pancreatic cancers.
    1)How can the vitamin D hypothesis explain the U-shaped risk curve for prostate cancer when the data suggest that the average 25(OH)D
    concentrations in countries with relatively high rates of prostate cancer are apparently the optimal concentrations for preventing prostate
    cancer?
    2 What plausible mechanism, other than vitamin D, could account for the association between greater lifetime sun exposure and diminished risk of prostate cancer ?
    3 How can latitude and environmental ultraviolet light be associated with increased risk of prostate cancer, and pancreatic cancer, yet not be a significant contributor to the lower average 25(OH)D concentrations theorized to be the key component of the mechanism that relates latitude to cancer risk?
    4 Why is summer season of diagnosis, or a higher serum 25(OH)D associated with better prognosis of prostate cancer?
    5 If vitamin D is adverse for prostate cancer, then why is the rate of rise in prostate-specific antigen (PSA) slower in summer  than in other seasons and why would vitamin D supplementation slow the rate of rise in PSA ?
    6 Why, in regions of the United States where environmental UVB is low, is there a positive association between pancreatic cancer versus serum 25(OH)D, while at the same time, in regions where UVB is high (presumably providing even higher serum 25(OH)D levels), is there no relationship with 25(OH)D ?
    7 If 25(OH)D is antiproliferative in cell cultures of prostate cells in vitro  and pancreatic cells, then why would it contribute to the development of cancer in vivo?

    Vieth suggests that as circulating 25(OH)D levels rise and fall, 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D  concentrations  need to be adjusted and the balance between 25(OH)D-1-hydroxylase [CYP27B1](tumor surpressing) and the catabolic enzyme, 1,25(OH)2D-24-hydroxylase [CYP24](oncogene) may for a while become disrupted.

    Any time there is a delay in cellular adaptation, or lag time in the fine tuning of  1,25(OH)2D  in response to fluctuating 25(OH)d concentrations there is the potential for too little of the tumor suppressor enzyme and too much of the oncogene CYP24.

    Regular daily supplementation with D3 keeps levels high.
    Regular 25(OH)D testing will enable you to see your levels are remaining steady.
    It may be  sensible for people living further North to have a lower summer intake and higher winter amount in order to reduce the amplitude between summer highs and winter low 25(OH)D levels.

    Those who go for Winter sunshine breaks may want to think about increasing D3 intakes before they fly off, reducing supplement intake while under the tropical sunshine and resuming supplementing immediately on returning home to prevent sudden changes in status and limit the extent of gains/losses.

    25(OH)D levels need to be both high and stable.

    The graph Dr Davis shows how D2 levels dropped steeply (indeed levels at the end of the month were  lower than before supplementing started) so the fact that D2 increases the rate at which 25(OH)D depletes making the fluctuation in level more acute, is a further reason to avoid it.

  • Sabio Lantz

    8/16/2009 11:33:35 AM |

    Dr. Davis,
    I just got my labs back after 7 months on low-carb, high-fat diet.  Chol was 337 (my labs are here).
    I was wondering if you or readers could point me to 5 or 6 links that would help educate me on this issue so I can see if I need to make any changes in the next 7 months.  Thank you for your time.

  • epistemology

    10/27/2009 1:43:39 AM |

    Why do doctors prescribe Vitamin D2?
    They don't very often. Calcitriol (most common brand, Rocaltrol) is the most often prescribed Vitamin D around here (near Philadelphia).

    Why do we need a prescription Vitamin D when OTC Vitamin D is just as good?
    Two reasons:
    1. Without a prescription, patients take medicine less reliably,
    2. More importantly, many of my patients are poor, and OTC meds are not paid for, but prescriptions are.

  • Anonymous

    10/29/2009 11:35:25 PM |

    I take D2 (and get as much midday sun as is safe) because of the horrible way the sheep are treated.

    http://www.savethesheep.com/animals.asp

  • Jim

    12/2/2009 5:38:41 AM |

    I know a nurse practitioner who practices in Phoenix, Arizona. She has done hundreds of blood draws for nutrient levels and has noted that some 99% of people were vitamin D deficient.

    She went on to explain that a lot of these people were construction workers and did not even wear sunscreen. Again, this is in Phoenix where the sun shines intensely nearly every single day of the year. If those people are not getting enough D, I think it's pretty safe to say that you are at least at risk.

  • Anonymous

    12/7/2009 4:38:54 PM |

    D2 comes from plant sources. D3 comes from animal sources, primarily animal skins. If you are vegetarian you would not want to take D3.

    The primary reason the prescription form is D2 is because D2 is much safer. Too much vitamin D is worse than too little. The standard prescription dose is very high, 50,000 units. High doses like that of D3 would be extremely dangerous. Your body is much better able to regulate it's absorbtion of D2.

    I would never take D3. It might take a bit higher dose of D2  to achieve the same result (studies do not agree on this) but I am never going to poison myself. I expect sereous negative health consequences in the future as a result of the marketing of D3. D3 is pretty much all you can find over the counter these days. I assume that it is more about promoting animal agriculture than human health.

  • Dr. J.

    12/16/2009 8:24:54 PM |

    It is true that the pharmaceutical industry has at times had undue sway over the medical profession.  To say that physicians are educated by "pretty representatives" is insulting and undermines the credibility of the author.  I agree that vitamin D3 is more "natural" and technically more potent.  The reason why vitamin D2 is more often prescribed is at least three-fold.
    1. Vitamin D2 is available in a prescription strength that allows for a more rapid repletion of vitamin D levels.  (It is hard to find a prescription vitamin D3)  In other words, it would take longer to replete vitamin D with over-the-counter doses of vitamin D3.  So why not just take a bunch of D3 capsules?  The dosing schedule for repletion of vitamin D with D3 is not as well worked out as it is with vitamin D2.  As soon as someone does a large scale study using vitamin D3, we will all be willing to switch.  Doctors are hesitant to make up regimens where effective ones already exist (re: risk of patient harm/legal liabilities)  
    2. Vitamin D2 has been prescribed for decades. We as physicians are more familiar with its effect on patients.  
    3.  Finally, vitamin D3 used to be more expensive--another reason D2 was preferred over D3.  Doctors, like everyone else, are often resistant to change.
    One thing is certain.  The author's assertion that physicians are not guided by science is false.  What we need is large scale clinical trial with vitamin D3.  The problem here is funding.  Who will pay for it?  Until then, the most we can say is that vitamin D3 is more "natural" and more potent.  Vitamin D2 however is effective and has not been shown to be injurious.

  • Dr. William Davis

    12/17/2009 12:22:06 AM |

    Dr. J--

    Allow me to insult you again: It has been my experience that many of our colleagues are miserably susceptible to the smile of a pretty representative. Perhaps you are not, but I see it all the time.

    I'm afraid that I believe you are way off base on the D2. I recommend that you read the existing literature. I believe that there's only one conclusion: D2 is markedly inferior. While better than nothing, why would anyone take a non-human form over a human form?

    Having replaced vitamin D in approximately 2000 patients using D3, I can tell you it is safe and reliable. In the handful of patients taking D2, I've seen everything from modest increases in blood level so 25-hydroxy vitamin D to no increase at all.

  • Deana

    3/20/2010 4:14:53 PM |

    Twice I have been on prescription strength Vit d2(50,000 units first for 8 weeks since my level was 30  and then rose to 66 with RxI took good quality Vit D3 in between 2000 units daily faithfully,eat a good diet (also take ERT age 65) and after serveral months^ my level again fell to 33 now have beenplaced on Vit D2 for 12 weeks, blood level 64 and will repeat test in 6 months.I am now taking 4000 units of D3. I DO NOT seem to be absorbing Vit D3 and wonder why or if I need even more daily

  • Gypsy Boheme

    7/14/2010 1:09:54 AM |

    Why wouldn't you just obtain your Vit D through food sources? sardines, salmon, tuna, liver, egg yolk, cod liver oil, fatty fish, dairy

  • Mary

    10/16/2010 1:27:55 AM |

    I HAVE to say something.  There are some valid health related reasons why some people/children have to take D2.  My daughter has to take D2 (her levels are at 33) so her DAN doc wants her D supplemented.  She also has some gastritis/EE he is hoping to heal in her tummy w it.  He wishes and we all wish she could take D3--I know its way better than D2.  BUT--she can't take D3--she is allergic to both fish and lanolin . . . so . . . therefore she has to take D2 right?  No other D3 option out there for her right--please answer if there is another option for her.  She is allergic to all the natural foods with D3 as well--egg etc.  D2 is all thats left.  I PRAY its helping her a little. We use a local company in WI called Cty Line Pharmaceuticals--the D2 is liquid, its D2 dissolved in propylene gycol with NOTHING else added.  Its a bit spicy but my daughter "Gags" it down as she  surely be allergic to anything added to flavor it.

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    11/3/2010 3:44:48 PM |

    There is no such nutritional supplement representative in the waiting room. This preference for the "drug" D2 over the supplement D3 also stems from the inherent preference of physicians for things they can control, whether or not there is proof of superiority.

  • Anonymous

    12/13/2010 4:25:32 PM |

    I was vit D deficient at a level 12. I was told to take over the counter D3 1,000 a day for 5 mths, retest. It raised to only 23. I was told to take Vit D 3 at 2,000 a day for another 4 mths and the result was I went back down to 18. Finally took the presciption D2 at 50,000 a wk and I am mid normal. My 2 daughters were recently diagnosed with D deficiency as well. I walk a dog daily yet my 85 yr old mother who does not really see the sun and when does wears sunscreen takes no Vit D and is not deficient. Go figure.

    P.S. Yes Vit D did reduce hot flashes as well.

  • Sidney Lohr, Ph.D.

    12/16/2010 4:43:10 AM |

    In 1972, one year after starting my Medical Education {Psychology}, I attended the yearly "National Health Federation" {Monrovia, California} Convention. I was already prescribing High Doses of Vitamin D, and I attended a lecture by a  Physician who was already known as THE EXPERT in Vitamin D research!! To this day, I don't remember his Name. The Subject of this particular presentation,  was that Vitamin D2 was toxic to the Kidneys & caused Kidney Damage; Primarily Kidney Stones! His Research was solid and alarming! I bought the 90-minute Tape of his entire Presentation, but misplaced it approximately 5 years later. His presentation  was a Classic, and I'd pay $50.00 to $100.00 for a copy of the Tape today! If anyone has this tape, PLEASE contact me!!
    Meanwhile, NEVER take any amount of Vitamin D2. He proved that Vitamin D3 was safe, and that Vitamin D2 should never be ingested!

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