Boy, was I wrong!

Around 10 years ago, I was talking to a balloon and stent manufacturer's representative, who was raving about some new device that was due for release to the market. Back then, the sky seemed the limit to cardiac device manufacturers, who were falling over themselves scrambling to design and market the next new device.

The angioplasty market then had ballooned (no pun intended) from nothing to a multi-billion dollar industry. Stents were just getting underway but clearly had potential for being at least as large.

But this was a time when preventive therapies were also beginning to get quite powerful. We had just gotten started doing CT heart scans and were excited about the possibilities, statin drugs were gaining evidence through clinical trials, and the power of many nutritional supplements was finally achieving validation. We were even learning the error of our prior low-fat ways.

So I broadly pronounced to the enthusiastic product representative, "In 10 years, balloons, angioplasty, and stents will occupy this little corner of cardiac care because prevention will have become so powerful. We won't talk about heart procedures. We'll talk about coronary plaque regression!"

I even advised the representative that he should consider a career change in anticipation of the coming wave of preventive strategies.

Was I ever wrong. Despite the power of heart disease prevention--which is indeed true--cardiac device and procedure technology has boomed, both in popularity as well as in revenue success. Device manufacturing and sales are hugely successful. Implanting devices into people is a hugely profitable enterprise.

Since my ill-timed comments to the salesman, Boston Scientific, a major manufacturer of stents and other cardiac devices, reported revenues of $6.2 billiondollars in 2005, a 12% increase over the prior year. Medtronic reported 2005 revenues of $11.3 billion, growing at 15% per year. Clearly, cardiac procedures are still quite popular--and profitable.

My timing was off, but not for long. The huge crest of change in preventive therapies is upon us. That's the premise behind the Track Your Plaque concept: heart disease prevention can't be found in a hospital, is not supported by cardiac device manufacturers, and is not being advocated by most cardiologists or primary care physicians. Yet the tools are getting better and better every day.

Those of you who succeed in halting or reducing your heart scan score are extremely unlikely to add to Boston Scientific's or Medtronic's revenues. Help me spread the word.

Don't forget how dangerous heart disease can be

Sometimes it's easy to get smug when coronary plaque is a reversible process.

When you see people day in, day out, week in, week out, drop their heart scan scores, reversing what could be a dangerous disease, you can sometimes lose sight of just how dangerous coronary disease can be.

Whether I like it or not, I maintain a reasonably active role in hospitals out of necessity. I do need their services occasionally for people with advanced heart disease when I meet them (when regression is not the initial conversation for safety reasons), or valve disease is diagnosed, or someone shows up with congenital or heart muscle diseases. In other words, although we focus on coronary issues, there's more to heart disease than just coronary disease.

This unfortunate case just served to remind me how powerful coronary disease can be. Elizabeth, an active 67-year old, finally came to the hospital after suffering 6 months of chest pain and increasing breathlessness. She hated hospitals and hadn't seen a doctor in 30 years since she was successfully treated for cancer.

In those 30 years, she'd been quite active with family and a small business. But she also smoked 2 packs of cigarettes most of those years.

After she was admitted to the hospital, it became clear that Elizabeth had experienced one, if not several, heart attacks along the way. The entire front 2/3 of her heart was non-functional. If that wasn't bad enough, two of her heart valves were severely diseased and dysfunctional: Her aortic valve barely opened (aortic valve "stenosis", or stiffness) and the mitral valve leaked severely (mitral valve "insufficiency", or leakiness). All of this was confirmed with conventional testing in the hospital, including a heart catheterization.

Elizabeth ended up in emergency surgery--very unusual, by the way, for valve surgery of the sort she had--but died in the first few hours after her procedure. Her heart had simply been too damaged from her heart attacks, and the extraordinary stress of surgery that included two valves was too much. She died on the ventilator.

Coronary disease is a very serious matter. When I see cases like Elizabeth, it boosts my commitment to tell everyone that heart disease--when identified early enough--is a controllable, preventable, even reversible process. For poor Elizabeth, she was much too far down the path of severe, irreversible disease that control or reversal was simply not an option. She was in imminent danger of dying even upon arrival.

It's exciting yet sometimes frightening to know what you have in your hands: The means to control this monster called coronary disease. Use it wisely. But don't lose sight of what it can do it you permit it to grow, fester, and explode.

How many ways can you disguise sugar?

I came across this shockingly silly report on AOL, who obtained their info courtesy Health Magazine:

The Best New Healthy Foods for Busy People
from Health


The foods on their list:

Kettle Brand Bakes Hickory Honey BBQ--the healthy claim is based on the lack of trans-fatty acids and low-fat.










Post Healthy Classics Raisin Bran Cereal Bars, Cranberry--Likewise, low-fat, sweet, and addictive means healthy to these people.




Amy’s Mediterranean Pizza With Cornmeal Crust --Please!!



Horizon Organic Colby Cheese Sticks --Because it's made by cattle without use of growth hormone or antibiotics, they declare this healthy. I guess we can ignore the saturated fat content and high total fat content.

100% Whole Grain Chips Ahoy! Cookies --You mean we can add the bran back to wheat products and make it healthy?!


This kind of mass-market marketing trickery leaves me incredulous. Don't believe it for a moment. This is typical of the food industry: Take one aspect of nutrition that is truly healthy, such as high-fiber, or low-fat, or organic. Then add undesirable, unhealthy ingredients. The current fad is to add lots of sugar and or sugar-equivalents (usually flour and other wheat products). Because there's one healthy ingredient, they'll call the end-product healthy, too.

If you want to see what health looks like if you indulge in "healthy" products like this, just look up and down the grocery aisles at your neighborhood grocery store. You're likely to see the results: Gross obesity, diabetes, and arthritis.

You won't, of course, see the huge acceleration of growth in coronary plaque, but it's there, ticking away.

To remind us what ideal body weight is: Watch an old movie!

Jack was skeptical. At 273 lbs, 5 ft 11 inches, he felt that he was "just right".

"I feel fine. I don't see why you think I should lose weight," he declared. "In fact, when I lost 25 lbs a couple of years ago, everyone said I was too skinny!"

I showed Jack why: He had an HDL of 35 mg/dl, small LDL (over 90% of all LDL particles), an elevated blood sugar of 123 mg/dl (diabetes is officially 126 mg/dl or greater), high blood pressure, and increased inflammation (C-reactive protein). These were all manifestations that his body weight was too much for it to handle.




So I told Jack that we've all forgotten what ideal weight should look like. Our perception of "normal" has been so utterly and dramatically distorted by the appearance of our friends, family, co-workers, and other people around us that we've all lost a sense of what a desirable weight for health should be.




So I suggested to Jack that, if he wanted to rememember what ideal weight is and what people are supposed to look like, just watch old movies.

Old movies, like the 1942 production of Casablanca, or the 1952 production of Singin' in the Rain, show the body build that was prevalent in those days. Look at Humphrey Bogart or Gene Kelly--men with average builds, weighing 140-160 lbs--that's how humans were meant to look.

A report this morning on the Today Show showed the "after" photos of several people following bariatric (weight reduction) surgery. The "after" pictures, from the perspective of ideal weight and ideal health, remain hugely overweight.

We need to readjust our perceptions of weight. The average woman in the U.S. now weighs 172 lbs(!!!). Don't confuse average with desirable.

Diabetes is a choice you make

Tim had heart disease identified as a young man. He had his first heart attack followed by a quadruple bypass surgery at age 38. Recurrent anginal chest pain and another small heart attack led to several stents over three procedures in the first four years after bypass.

Tim finally came to us, interested in improving his prevention program. You name it, he had it: small LDL, low HDL (28 mg/dl), lipoprotein(a), etc. The problem was that Tim was also clearly pre-diabetic. At 5 ft 10 inches, he weighed 272 lbs--easily 80 or more pounds overweight.

Tim was willing to make the medication and nutritional supplement changes to gain control over his seeminglly relentless disease. He even turned up his exercise program and lost 28 lbs in the beginning. But as time passed and no symptoms recurred, he became lax.

Tim regained all the weight he'd lost and some more. Now Tim was diabetic.

"I don't get it. I eat good foods that shouldn't raise my insulin. I almost never eat sweets."

I stressed to Tim that diabetes and pre-diabetes, while provoked acutely by sugar-equivalent foods (wheat products, breads, breakfast cereals, crackers, etc.), is caused chronically by excess weight. If Tim wants to regain control over his heart disease, he needed to lost the weight.

Unlike, say, leukemia, an unfortunate disease that has little to do with lifestyle choices, diabetes is a choice you make over 90% of the time. In other words, if you become diabetic (adult variety, not children's variety) as an adult, that's because you've chosen to follow that path. You've neglected physical activity, or indulged in too many calories or poor food choices, or simply allowed weight to balloon out of control.

But diabetes is also a path most people can choose not to take. And it is a painfully common choice: Nearly two-thirds of the adults in my office have patterns of pre-diabetes or diabetes when I first meet them.

Let me stress this: For the vast majority of adults, diabetes is a choice, not an inevitability.

I'll call the doctor when I feel bad!

Max just had his heart scan. He sat down with the x-ray technologist at the work console while she pointed out the white areas in his coronary arteries that represented plaque.

"It looks like you're going to have a fairly high score," the technologist commented. "The final report will be available after one of our cardiologists reviews your images."

Max shrugged. "Well, I don't feel anything. I'm always running around with work, with my kids, stuff like that. That's better than any stress test. I guess I'll worry about it if it starts to bother me."


You'd be surprised how common this view remains: If it's not bothering you, then just forget about it. It's easy to do, since you have no symptoms, nothing to impair your physical activities. But what are the potential consequences of ignoring your heart scan? Here's a few:

--Prevention and plaque reversal efforts are most effective the earlier you start. From a heart scan score viewpoint, the lower your starting score, the easier it is to gain control over it. More people will succeed in reducing their score when the starting score is lower.

--The role of prevention of heart disease instantly crystallizes when you know your score. Your LDL cholesterol of 142 mg/dl or HDL of 41 mg/dl no longer seem like just numbers of borderline signficance. Instead, they become useful tools to gain control over plaque. They cast your numbers in a new and clear light.

--Knowing your heart scan score today gives you a basis for comparison in future. Your score of, say 250, today, can be 220 in one year. Without your preventive efforts, it will be 30% higher: 325. That's a big difference!

--Sudden death or heart attack--can occur in up to 35-40% of people with hidden heart disease--without warning.

Don't even bother getting a heart scan if you're going to ignore it. I've said it before and I'll say it again: A heart scan is the most important health test you can get--but only if you do something about it.

Coenzyme Q10 and statin drugs

Although drug manufacturers claim that muscle side effects from statin drugs occurs in only around 2% or people or less, my experience is very different.

I see muscle weakness and achiness develop in the majority of people taking Lipitor, Crestor, Zocor, Vytorin, etc. I'd estimate that nearly 90% of people get these feelings sooner or later.

Thankfully, the majority of the time these feelings are annoyances and do not lead to any impairment. Full-blown muscle destruction is truly rare--I've seen it once in over 10 years and thousands of patients.

The higher the dose of statin drug and the longer you take it, the more likely you're going to have muscle aches.

I experienced a strange phemomenon myself today. I worked outdoors for about 4 hours, pulling weeds, digging in the dirt, spreading topsoil. (I have an area of overgrowth in the front yard.) Admittedly, I worked pretty hard and it was a warm, humid day.

I was sore, as you'd expect at age 49. But, much more than that, I was exhausted--my muscles ached and I had barely enough strength to get up the stairs.

Hoping for some relief, I took an extra dose of coenzyme Q10. I usually take 50-100 mg per day. Today, when I felt this overwhelming muscle fatigue, I took an additional 200 mg. Within 10 minutes, I felt a surge of energy. It was, in fact, a perceptible, quite dramatic feeling.

I am thoroughly convinced, through my own experiences on Lipitor (I have a high LDL particle number despite a healthy lifestyle, among other abnormalities), and the experiences of many other people, that coenzyme Q10 can be an extremely useful tool to minimize the muscle aches and weakness of the statin drugs.

If you do indeed need to take one of these agents, coenzyme Q10 is worth knowing about. Supplementing coenzyme Q10 has, for me, been a real lifesaver. For many people, LDL reduction is a crucial part of their heart scan score control program. In my experience, many of them would not be able to take the drug without eozyme Q10.

Blast your LDL with oat bran and almonds

Nearly all of us can use an extra boost in reducing LDL cholesterol. We have a large number of people, in fact, who have reduced LDL into the Track Your Plaque range of 60 mg/dl or less without the use of statin cholesterol-reducing drugs.




Oat bran is among my favorite ways to reduce LDL. Three tablespoons per day is a really effective method to drop your LDL around 20 points. There's twice the beta glucan (soluble, or "viscous", fiber)in oat bran, as compared to the more popular oatmeal. Add oat bran to anything you can think of: yogurt, cottage cheese, vegetarian chili, oatmeal, top desserts with it, etc. Some people struggle to find oat bran in the grocery store. Most health food stores that sell bulk products will have oat bran, usually less than a $1 per pound. Many grocery stores will also have an oat bran hot cereal along with the Cream of Wheat and oatmeal. That's okay, provided the only ingredient is oat bran--no added sugars, etc.





Another dynamite method to reduce LDL 10-20 points is adding raw almonds to your daily food choices. One or two handfuls per day works great. We find it at Sam's Club for around $12.99 for a 3 lb. bag. The plentiful fibers and monounsaturates in almonds keep you full and satisified, take the edge off your sweet tooth, and even blunt the blood sugar rise caused by other foods.

Both these foods are also great ways to combat the metabolic syndrome. Since both fiber-rich oat bran and almonds slow the release of sugars into the blood, blood insulin level is also reduced. This results in a happy cascade of less small LDL, increased HDL, and a reduction in inflammation.

All these wonderful effects contribute to inching you closer to success: dropping your heart scan score.

Pre-diabetes with normal blood sugar

We pay special attention to pre-diabetes, in all its varied manifestations, in the Track Your Plaque program. This is because these factors are potent instigators of coronary plaque growth.

Early in the Track Your Plaque program we ignored these measures. After all, this is a program for heart disease risk reduction, not for mangement of diabetes. But we saw explosive rates of plaque growth when pre-diabetic factors were not controlled--even when cholesterol and related factors were under excellent control.

It became increasingly clear that factors associated with pre-diabetes needed to be managed, as well. This includes small LDL, increased blood sugar, high blood pressure, increased inflammation (as CRP).

Many people, however, have normal blood sugars (100 mg/dl or less) with a high blood insulin level (>10 microunits/ml). (This blood test is available in most laboratories.) This means that they have early resistance to insulin. The pancreas, the source of insulin, responds to the body's unresponsiveness to insulin by increasing insulin production.

Increased blood insulin with normal blood sugar will drive production of higher triglycerides, a drop in HDL, creation of small LDL, and inflammation--and coronary plaque growth, as evidenced by increasing CT heart scan score.

Blood insulin levels can be very effectively dropped by weight loss; exercise; reduction of processed carbohydrates like breads, pretzels, and breakfast cereals; and increased raw nuts and oat products; and vitamin D replacement to normal levels. Drug manufacturers are desperately trying to make this a mandate for drug treatment (Actos, Avandia), but are encountering resistance, since most people without overt diabetes don't want to take diabetic medication (rightly so!).

You and your doctor should consider insulin as a factor to track, especially if you have small LDL, low HSL, or high triglycerides, or any of the other manifestations listed above.

Sometimes small LDL is the only abnormality

Janet is a 58-year old schoolteacher. At 5 ft 3 inches and 104 lbs, she had barely an ounce of fat on her size-2 body. For years, Janet's primary care physician complimented her on her cholesterol numbers: LDL cholesterol values ranging from 100 to 130 mg/dl; HDL cholesterol of 50-53 mg/dl.

Yet she had coronary disease. Her heart scan score: 195.

Lipoprotein analysis uncovered a single cause: small LDL. 95% of all of Janet's LDL particles were in the small category. What was surprising was that this pattern occurred despite her slender build. Weight is a powerful influence on the small LDL pattern and the majority of people with it are overweight to some degree. But not Janet.

How did she get small LDL if she was already at or below her ideal weight? Genetics. Among the genetic patterns that can account for this pattern is a defect of an enzyme called cholesteryl-ester transfer protein, or CETP. This is the exact step, by the way, that is blocked by torcetrapib, the new agent slated for release sometime in future (The manufacturer, Pfizer, is apparently going to sell this agent only packaged in the same tablet as Lipitor. This has triggered an enormous amount of criticism against the company and they are, as a result discussing marketing torcetrapib separately.)

Also note that Janet had a severe excess of small LDL despite an HDL in the "favorable" range. (See my earlier conversation on this issue, The Myth of Small LDL at http://drprevention.blogspot.com/2006/06/myth-of-small-ldl.html.)

With Janet, weight loss to reduce small LDL was not an option. So we advised her to take fish oil, 4000 mg per day; niacin, 1000 mg per day; vitamin D, 2000 units per day; use abundant oat bran and raw almonds, both of which suppress small LDL. This regimen has--surprisingly--only partially suppressed her small LDL pattern by a repeat lipoprotein analysis we just performed. We're hoping this may do it, i.e., stop progression or reduce her heart scan score.

The lesson: Small LDL is a very potent pattern that can be responsible for heart disease, even if it occurs in isolation. And, contrary to conventional thinking, small LDL can occur as an independent abnormality, even when HDL is at favorable levels.
Overweight, hungry, diabetic, and fat-free

Overweight, hungry, diabetic, and fat-free

Let me tell you about my low-fat experience from 20 years ago.

At the time, I was living in Cleveland, Ohio, and served on the faculty at a large metropolitan university-affiliated hospital, supervising fellows-in-training and developing high-tech cath lab procedures like directional athererectomy and excimer laser coronary angioplasty. (Yes, another life.)

I was concerned about personal heart disease risk, though I knew next to nothing about lipids and coronary risk prediction outside of the little I learned in training and what the drug industry promoted.

I heard Dr. Dean Ornish talk while attending the American College of Cardiology meetings in Atlanta. Dr. Ornish spoke persuasively about the dangers of fat in the diet and how he "reversed" coronary disease using a low-fat, no added oils, no meat, vegetarian diet that included plenty of whole grains. So I thought I'd give it a try.

I eliminated all oils; I removed all meat, eggs, and fish from my diet. I shunned all nuts. I ate only low-fat products like low-fat yogurt and cottage cheese; and focused on vegetables, fruit, and whole grains. Beans and brown or wild rice were a frequent staple. I loved oatmeal cookies--low-fat, of course!

After one year of this low-fat program, I had gained a total of 31 lbs, going from 155 lbs to 186 lbs. I reassessed some basic labs:

HDL 28 mg/dl
Triglycerides 336 mg/dl
Blood sugar 151 mg/dl (fasting)


I became a diabetic. All through this time, I was also jogging. I ran on the beautiful paths along the Chagrin River in suburban Cleveland for miles north and south. I ran 5 miles per day most days of the week.

It was diabetes that hit me alongside the head: I was eating low-fat meticulously, exercising more than 90% of the population, yet I got fat and diabetic!

I have since changed course in diet. Last time I checked, my lipid values on NO statin agent:

HDL 67 mg/dl
Triglycerides 57 mg/dl
Blood sugar 91 mg/dl

That was my lesson that fat restriction is a destructive, misguided notion. The data since then have confirmed that restricting total fat is unnecessary, even undesirable, when fat calories are replaced by carbohydrate calories.

Comments (52) -

  • dave schy

    12/15/2009 1:55:11 PM |

    Not sure exactly what you were eating. As a chef for the last 30 years here is what I eat now.
    Maybe worth taking a look.

    http://www.newtaste.com

  • Peter

    12/15/2009 2:02:55 PM |

    I've read that Ornish scored zero on the heart scan.  As long as we're speculating about anecdotal evidence, I have to wonder if that's because of his stance against sugar and flour.

  • Christian

    12/15/2009 2:21:42 PM |

    But obviously Dean Ornish's program seems to work in order to reverse heart desease. Of course it consists of more than just a change in your diet, so my question is: Do you think that if Dean Ornish would apply a diet that is high in fat and low in CHO - in addition to his stress management program and exercise and so on - it would work to  heart desease?

  • Vivian

    12/15/2009 3:52:04 PM |

    Ditto this.  Exactly.

  • Anonymous

    12/15/2009 4:13:03 PM |

    Huh? For a minute, I thought you were writing about my exact experience. Yup, I was a vegetarian all my life until a year ago. Followed Dean Ornish's advice and saw my glucose and lipids behave exactly like yours. In the last one year, I have started eating eggs, fish and fat (butter, olive oil) and my blood sugar is normal and lipids are 110 total and 66 LDL. However, I am on statins and my doctor doesn't want to take me off of it yet. I wish my HDL was as high as yours but it's hovering around 35 and 40.

    I keep wondering how many people's health is affected by all the quackery that goes in the name of medical research and science.

  • JPB

    12/15/2009 4:18:42 PM |

    Oh yes, I can relate to that.  I followed my then doctor's advice on diet (yes, it was low-fat, high carb).  In a year, I gained 12 pounds effortlessly and 50 points total cholesterol plus my blood glucose was inching up....
    When is the truth about low-fat going to come out?  There seem to be too many well-entrenched powers out there!!

  • DrStrange

    12/15/2009 4:35:37 PM |

    "I ate only low-fat products like low-fat yogurt and cottage cheese..."

    I would love to know actual percentage of calories from fat in the diet.  "Low-fat" dairy can really add to quite a bit!  I know that Ornish now has a "spectrum" of diets depending on how healthy you want to be, to coax people on board, but his original diet (and his sort of ultimate one on the spectrum) is around 10% total fat calories.  Many or most who use the term "low-fat" really mean closer to 20% or even 30% calories from fat....

  • Anonymous

    12/15/2009 5:11:24 PM |

    so how does your diet look now? great results after you switched!

  • Peter

    12/15/2009 5:27:50 PM |

    If it were the case that a low fat/high carb diet causes obesity and diabetes in most people, the Japanese would be fat and diabetic, but they have far less obesity and diabetes than we do.  Probably other factors besides the ratio of fats and carbs are more decisive in determining who gets sick and who doesn't.

  • Anonymous

    12/15/2009 7:05:28 PM |

    Thanks for sharing your personal experience Dr. Davis.  Very interesting.

  • Chloe

    12/15/2009 9:18:00 PM |

    My theory confirmed.  Once the "community standard of care" or even the experts in traditional medicine fail in treating a doctor-patient's concerns and that doctor-patient has to self-treat then we lay folks get the benefit of their learning how to take care of themselves.  Love it and am grateful you found a way to treat yourself so we all could benefit from that knowledge.

  • Gretchen

    12/15/2009 9:39:00 PM |

    ". . . he "reversed" coronary disease using a low-fat, no added oils, no meat, vegetarian diet"

    This is often stated, but in fact even Ornish never "reversed" CVD by diet alone. He did what he did with a complete program that included diet, stress reduction, I think smoking cessation, and immense peer support.

  • billye

    12/15/2009 10:37:19 PM |

    Hi DR. Davis,

    You certainly had a horrifying experience.  But, your end result was very positive.  You are lucky that you did not continue longer, because, your out come might have mirrored mine.  I too went to a Dean Ornish lecture and bought in to his program.  I didn't stop with that, I followed many other Doctors programs over a 30 year period.  They all failed. I too had diabetes type 2, hypertension, Lipid problems, and last but not least chronic kidney disease. Of course, I ballooned up to 240 pounds.

    What we had in common, as all of those with diseases of the metabolic syndrome do, is the fact that every program was locked into
    the so called "healthy eating" dogma first presented and proselytized by Dr. Ancel Keys and his low fat and high carbohydrate hypothesis.  It still pervades medicine,even today.


    It took me 50 years to finally get it.  My awakening came when I read Garry Taubes best seller, Good Calories Bad Calories.  I then followed on with Barry Groves Trick and Treat.  These two books educated me as to what a health supporting program could be, and started me on the way to recovery.  I also followed up with your fine blog along with some others.  

    I am happy to report that my diabetes type 2 is now cured, without medication, and always <100mg/dl.  While I know that CKD can not be cured, my nephrologist Dr. Tourgeman says "he is amazed that there is a huge improvement in my kidney function".  My latest VAP test HDL 63, TRIG 63, LDL 154, all without statens.  But, my Real LDL size are pattern A large bouyant and fluffy, which is a huge change from what they used to be 11 months ago.  I am taking SLO-NIACIN to reverse my high LDL.  My diabetes induced hypertension is a problem, but we will see, because I have about 40 pounds to lose yet.  I am now 185 pounds.  All of this because I listened to my doctor who told me to switch to high saturated fat and low carbohydrate.  What a miracle this is.  I also supplement with vitamin D3, 8000IU, and high dose fish oil.
    Billy E nephropal.com

  • Dr. William Davis

    12/15/2009 11:38:05 PM |

    Gretchen is correct: The Ornish program consists of more than a low-fat diet. However, the diet is a crucial component of the program, one that cannot be ignored given its potentially destructive effects in a large proportion of people, especially those who are non-ApoE4.

    Also, I would argue that Dr. Ornish NEVER showed reversal of coronary atherosclerosis. He showed reversal of ENDOTHELIAL DYSFUNCTION, which, by the methods used, provide the appearance of reversal of disease. They are two different things.

    As a non-cardiologist and using 20th century technology, perhaps we can forgive him this faux pas.

  • Gyan

    12/16/2009 5:12:55 AM |

    Dr Davis,
    What was your blood sugar prior to going on low-jfat diet?

  • Myron

    12/16/2009 8:22:06 AM |

    "Dr. it's not the red meat that's bad for you it's the green meat", one carnivore commented. "HaHa", he said.

    It's not the no fat it's the no bad fats that count.   Cancer is a cell membrane disease and a disease of the mitochondria cell membrane.   Feed the membrane, feed the mitochondria and Cancer can go away.
    Live longer feel better eat live leaf juices foods.    Sure you should get your vitamins from food--that's what I'm talking about--solar powered leaf juice.

  • Kurt

    12/16/2009 1:04:29 PM |

    I began on the Ornish diet after my heart scan almost a year ago. In four months, I went from 183 to 167 lbs, and my LDL cholesterol dropped 40%. Triglycerides and fasting blood sugar remained unchanged. My HDL did drop about 10%, to 50. I've since increased my intake of healthy fats, but my experience with the Ornish diet was very positive, especially as it showed me that I could control my cholesterol with diet, something my doctor didn't believe was possible.

    I do think genetics are involved, especially given the discrepancy between our results.

  • Adolfo David

    12/16/2009 2:06:27 PM |

    Dr Ornish is a public danger. Be sure.

    I dont know how a doctor who recommends so terrible diet is 'famous'.

    He has to use exercise and meditation in order to balance the disaster of his diet in his patients. So sad.

  • Dr. William Davis

    12/16/2009 3:17:33 PM |

    Kurt's different response might be explained by being an ApoE4 homo- or heterozygote. I am an ApoE3 homozygote. In addition, there are genetic variants in CETP, hepatic lipase, lipoprotein lipase, and others that can modify the response.

    My point here is that, with extreme unnatural limitation of fat, a substantial proportion of people (probably 70% or more) will experience adverse effects.

    Also, the initial response is determined to a large degree by the diet PRIOR to the diet change.

  • PJNOIR

    12/16/2009 3:27:20 PM |

    I am diabetic- I was over weight and my sugars ran high. I followed the ADA diet (much like Ornish program)- low fat with moderate to high carbs- certainly high at the end of the day's tally I took all the meds and insulin prescribed – did cardio and some gym work.  Rarely snacked and always hungry. Gained 40 lbs in three months.  Discovered Atkins- then other low carb diets. Added high fat – lose 70 lbs  this last year.  Cholesterol fell to 130- Trigs are better then perfect. No more meds for diabetes. Blood pressure under control for the first time. I do NO cardio just strength training I am never hungry and avoid all grains and starches. Soy is a major never no-no.  I’m so glad I read Taubes  and Bernstein and did a little research on my own.  High fat and Low carb saved my life.

  • Diana

    12/16/2009 3:57:30 PM |

    It reminds me of a Vogue (a highly scientific publication, I know) article I read a few days ago. A woman went on a "cleansing" grapes-only diet promoted by yuppie-type Frenchwomen. She lost 1 lb each of water and muscle...and gained a pound of fat. Unfortunately the epiphany eluded her...

  • steve

    12/16/2009 3:59:14 PM |

    Ornish may be modifying his views: he now recommends daily consumption of fish oil!

  • White Zombie

    12/16/2009 8:56:24 PM |

    Dr. Davis,

    Its interesting you posted this. I am a Indian vegetarian before and now also, I used to run 7 days a week for nearly 15yrs. I was a pretty fast runner too keep 7-8min per mile competing in races until I got a heel spur and couldn't run at all but I got it fixed with homeopathic medicine but I digress. I used to be low fat, high carb, whole grain diet which lead a cholesterol profile of which I have records for 15yrs:

    HDL: ranges 50-58
    TriG: lowest was 130 to 275
    LDL: lowest was 130 to 250

    My most recent reading a 9months back:

    HDL: 58
    LDL: 158
    TriG: 250

    My latest reading 2 weeks old:

    HDL: 63
    LDL: 114
    TriG: 90

    What did I do ? For one I stopped doing any form of aerobics do only weight training 4 times a week for 15-20mins of intense weight training. I lost few pounds not much, lost a fat percentage points, I started eating a lots of salads, lots & lots of walnuts, pecans, fish oil, vitamin d supplement. My take I think the weight training improves insulin sensitivity along fish oil, walnuts and vit-d supplementation do the trick.

    My eye opener was Gary Taubes book the chapter on Cholesterol where he talks about Dr. John Gofman research on cholesterol and trigs. I am no longer afraid of fat, I consume a lot, no fat free milk, lots of walnuts, lots of olive oil and I don't see myself gaining any weight at all.

    I have to give thanks to Art Devany Evolutionary Fitness and your advice in this blog for my achievement.

    -White

  • FMJ

    12/16/2009 9:45:33 PM |

    Dr Davis:

    Thanks for this eye opener experience. What is your opinion of supplements like r-alpha lipoic acid, pycnogenol and acetyl L-carnitine for the treatment of glucose metabolization problems ?

    Thanks

    FMJ

  • Anonymous

    12/17/2009 2:10:07 AM |

    Is your 91 blood sugar level optimal?  Mine dropped from 95 or 96 down to 71 when I eliminated wheat.

  • Dr Matti Tolonen

    12/17/2009 2:52:53 PM |

    A new large, 90,000 people comprising European 10-yrs follow-up study EPIC (European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition)does not support the use of low-fat diets to prevent weight gain.
    http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/6/1632

  • DrStrange

    12/18/2009 12:52:17 AM |

    from:  http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/6/1632

    "Mean total fat intake as a percentage of energy intake ranged between 31.5% and 36.5%"

    Sorry, that is not a low fat diet!  Low fat means approx 10% calories from fat.

  • Anonymous

    12/18/2009 2:06:11 AM |

    I'm confused.  I thought diabetes was a permanent condition that could not be cured or reversed?

  • DrStrange

    12/19/2009 1:32:29 AM |

    Type 1 diabetes is indeed permanent.  Type 2 is often completely reversible with appropriate diet and exercise.  If it is too far advanced in destroying the beta cells via high sugar and high insulin inflammation then the person may still need to supplement insulin but much lower amounts w/ above diet and exercise.

  • karl

    12/19/2009 1:51:31 AM |

    I had a similar experience to Dr. Davis - I followed AHA low fat diet - still didn't lose weight - so I cut the fat even further - and gained weight. I would go to bed hungry as it was better than feeling the hunger in the day.  

    As soon as I read Taubes book, I went low carb and quickly lost weight - switching to mostly non saturated fat - I lost even more weight - and it wasn't hard. I'm now at 14% body fat.

  • Anonymous

    12/19/2009 4:39:46 AM |

    ok already. i will give an animal/fish, low grain diet another try...... I need to count calories this time as the last time I eliminated wheat and went Paleo, I put on 10lbs

    more mechanisms please.  I find that helps me believe

  • Anonymous

    12/20/2009 6:12:10 AM |

    I have a friend who said he did Ornish religiously. The few times they had us over for dinner, they had what appeared to be pure Ornish type dishes. The man lost an enormous amount of weight (which was one of the strongest motivations for his wanting to do the  diet).

    However, lab tests confirmed that his cholesterol was moving in the wrong direction (triglycerides were in the 4 digits) and his doctor told him to start eating more meat and to cut back on the carbs!

    The quote from his doctor? "We tend to see this with people doing Ornish; your case is not unique."

    Yikes.

  • Mac

    12/21/2009 11:58:45 PM |

    Can you devote some posts to the dietary modifications needed for an ApoE 4... I know that fat has more of an effect, but is it saturated and trans fat only, or all fat.  Should ApoE 4 still take fish oil?

  • clevelander

    12/28/2009 1:34:47 PM |

    I'm a 55 year old woman.  I reversed a bad lipid profile by researching and then creating my own diet based on what, how, and why I eat.

    My before lipids
    LDL < 100
    HDL < 50
    TRIG > 300
    Blood sugar fasting 107
    weight, close to 180 lbs (I'm 5'3")
    waist 40"



    I set a goal, to consume 1500 calories a day, allowing for 1800 2000 on high activity days(>1 hr bicycling or salsa dancing, for example), with the calorie distribution 30% fats, 50% carbs, 20% protein.  Trans fats were never an issue, I don't eat fast food or much processed food.

    I kept a rigorous food diary (note: nutritiondata.com is a great place to get info), and for the 1st 6 weeks eliminated every added sugar I could think of - no cookies, candy, soda, etc.  I developed a list of "go to" foods: oat bran, 1% cottage or ricotta cheese, a serving of legumes every day, low-sodium V8 juice, almonds, and all the green vegetables my heart desired.  I supplemented with 6 caps of fish oil (~ 6 gm), and 4 inulin fiber tablets aday, which had the advantage of tasting like giant Sweetarts.  I included 30 minutes minimum of exercise/high activity a day, and weights 15 minutes 4 times a week.

    After 6 weeks my doc was stunned:

    LDL < 93
    HDL 63
    TriG 98!
    Blood sugar 96
    weight:163
    waist: 37"

    Th thing is, i can stick to this diet because it didn't depart that far from my usual cooking.eating preferences.  I had always eaten the good stuff; trouble was I topped it with dessert all too often.

    I now allow myself a little added sugar in the form of 1 oz 70% dark chocolate (5-9 gm depending on brand), and an occaisional Stella D'Oro anisette toast - while their serving size is 3 pieces I have one with my coffee, all of 4 gms sugar!

    My carb choices are whole grains, mostly not wheat: oat bran, hulled (not pearled) barley, quinoa, as well as beans and yellow/orange vegs like sweet potato & squash.  Here's the thing: I keep a measureing cup on my counter and limit myself to 1/2 cup servings, maximum twice a day.

    Proteins: fish at least twice a week, ricotta and cottage cheese, eggs, whole and whites.  Limited meat and poultry, which is just a preference.  Bison when I can get it.  Legumes.

    Fruit: twice a day, mostly whole
    Vegs; plan my meals around them.  Unlimited of green leafy, tomatoes, cukes, mushrooms, summer squash, cruciferous/ I love a good salad, and always measure the dressing - 1 Tb max commercial (no low fats - yecch!), or 1 tsp olive oil plus lemon juice or vinegar.  Again, the measuring spoon is always within reach.



    My motto; have that, but halve that.  I enjoy small portions of high fat dairy, for instance.

    Snacking:  I put out 1/4 cup of nuts in a dish, along with my daily chocolate or a bit of dried fruit. That is what I nibble on.

    I am headed to my goal of keeping the lipids/blood sugar good, 140 lbs, < 35" waist.


    Hope this is helpful.

  • Anonymous

    12/28/2009 3:23:35 PM |

    Well, not to knock the approach advocated here, but  I've had a very different experience on Ornish.  I've been following the original Ornish recommendations which are closer to what Dr. Esselstyn promotes as a result of his 20 year study.  I lost 50 pounds effortlessly, lowered total TC from 160 to 90, and TG steady at 80 and have stayed there for over three years.  

    Perhaps the difference is in the details.  I see a lot of people here saying they followed Ornish and ate low fat cookies, low fat dairy and such, but Esselstyn shows that that you really need to cut out all processed foods, all animal products, and watch those small amounts of oil.  It's a very different diet I suspect than many of you tried.  Esselstyn did show reversal of disease, as well as mortality, not just endothylium function, by the way.  I haven't seen published comparable results from Dr. Davis' regime here.

    If Ornish was such a horrible diet, you'd see terrible disease rates in Okinawa, other parts of Asia, or in many of the other societies, Seventh day adventists for that matter, around the world where they essentially eat the same diet.  But, of course you don't.  It's very easy to slam a diet that you're not really following, and anyone who says they were following the ADA diet and thinks it's the same as the original Ornish diet clearly doesn't know what the Ornish diet is.  ADA is 30% fat, Ornish is 10% fat, for starters, and as I mentioned, if you really want to do it right, Esselstyn has the details down.

    I do wonder about the heavy use of the calcium score here when you have recent studies questioning the value of these scores such as this:

    http://www.theheart.org/article/1035927.do

    Coronary calcification progression doubted as a CV diagnostic
    DECEMBER 17, 2009 | Reed Miller
    Editor's note: The headline for this story has been revised to more accurately reflect study findings.
    Royal Oak, MI - Coronary artery calcification (CAC) progression is not a suitable end point for trials of cardiovascular-disease therapies, and the usefulness of tracking CAC progression over time is still in doubt, according to researchers who analyzed previous randomized trials that tracked CAC for at least a year [1].

  • Anonymous

    12/30/2009 5:15:48 PM |

    I got fat by eating low-fat/high-carb for years starting in my teens into my early 30's.  Weight loss programs like Weight Watcher's only made me more obese and made me clinically sicker (low HDL and very high triglycerides).  

    Following Atkins way of eating (now moving to PaNu) has completely turned everything around for me.  I have lost over 100lbs and kept it off and my labratory results are, in my doctor's words, "enviable."  My diet is < 10% carbs and > 60% healthy fat (mostly saturated).  I started a vitD and Omega-3 regiment as well and I will get lab results from that in about 2 weeks.

    The lab results are great, but the feeling of complete control over my eating is even better.  When I an hungry it is because my stomach is empty, and the feeling can be sustained until I can grab something to eat.  When I was low-fat/high-carb, I was constantly hungry and food-obsessed and the only way I could lose any weight was from sheer deprivation which is unsustainable.

  • DrStrange

    1/1/2010 1:19:12 AM |

    Just eating "low fat/high carb" can easily be a terrible diet.  CocaCola and Entenmann's fat free pasteries would qualify here.  What McDougall, Ornish, etc are recommending is low fat/high carb consisting ONLY of minimally processed, whole foods, from plants.  That means the green "plants" not the factories "plants". AND it is crucial for the diet to work that you aren't sneaking in little bits here and there of junk food and highly processed foods that claim to be low fat but have a lot of fat hidden by labeling claims.

    If you only eat from the produce section, whole/intact grains, whole legumes, and moderate fruit, maybe an ounce of flax or walnuts per day the diet will work wonders!

  • B.K.

    1/1/2010 5:20:56 PM |

    I tried reducing fats as well. Rice, baked vegetables, potatoes, salads with fat-free dressing, you name it. At 5'8" tall, I got up to 210 lbs. and a 38" waist. Fat was the "bad guy". Diet soda, diet foods, water, walking...then the numb fingers, blurry vision, and even peeing my pants hit me because I could not get out of the bathroom. The Dr. said diabetes; it took 2 weeks to get in to him. In the meantime, my boss was on Atkins and dropping weight and feeling GOOD. In just 2 weeks, when I was tested, my urine was still "a disaster area" but BG after fasting and walking several blocks in was 75. Now it is usually always below 100. I dropped about 60 lbs. in less than 6 months! My last A1C was 5.4. I do not take meds of any kind. I have a 'safe list' of carbs to eat, all of them low GI and avoid corn syrup, flour, and sugar. I eat a LOT of nice, red, fat meat. Pretty much, if it's a "dead animal", I'll eat it. If it's green or colorful, I eat it. Nothing "white" or high GI. That was 3.5 years ago. I do not have a need for statins, insulin, nothing. Grandpa is fat-free, high carb, etc. - oats, rice, you name it. He's not obese, but his cholesterol is over the moon and I can't get him to get a BS test.

  • Ned Kock

    1/2/2010 3:24:43 PM |

    My experience was very similar in terms of the numbers, although I followed a slightly different diet modification path:

    Before: LDL: 156, HDL: 38, triglycerides: 188.

    After: LDL: 123, HDL: 66, triglycerides: 46.

    I included more details on the post below, if you are interested:

    http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/2009/12/refined-carbs-sugar-and-cholesterol-my.html

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  • Term Paper

    2/18/2010 7:08:16 AM |

    This is often stated, but in fact even Ornish never "reversed" CVD by diet alone. He did what he did with a complete program that included diet, stress reduction, I think smoking cessation, and immense peer support.

  • jea

    5/24/2010 6:38:48 PM |

    I have lost 51 pounds on the Ornish low fat diet, avoiding most sweets, and exercising 6 days a week, that included weights and cardio.

    Slamming Ornish is easy but it seems some do because the diet fails because it is not followed properly.

    Eating sugars such as cookies and carbs such as white flour will make you gain weight. I only eat whole grains and measure my portion.

    Its also interesting that Ornish does say that blood levels such as HDL will increase on a high fat diet because your body needs more protection.

    But the diet is not a cure all. As he has pointed out, even people with lower cholesterol can die if they dont change their attitude and habits.

  • Max

    6/3/2010 6:01:53 AM |

    i eat a lot & never exercise  and i am 22 yrs, no disease has dared to touch me..

  • DrStrange

    6/6/2010 5:51:12 PM |

    Max   At  22 no disease has had time to develop.  It is quite natural to have a fairly distorted sense of time and lack of awareness of your own mortality.  Most everyone can do as you have been doing and feel fine and not "see" damage.  Yet. But continue as you are and it is almost guaranteed you will end up w/ either diabetes, some form of cardiovascular disease, or both.  By the time you are in your 40's you will be a fat, old man, panting to walk up a flight of stairs, with high blood pressure, high blood sugar, and dyslipidemia.  You can pretty much take that to the bank!

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  • error fix

    8/22/2010 10:44:51 PM |

    Do you think that if Dean Ornish would apply a diet that is high in fat and low in CHO - in addition to his stress management program and exercise and so on - it would work to heart desease? b

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