Heart scan curiosities 1

Heart scans often reveal more than coronary plaque. From time to time, I'll show some curious findings that people have displayed during routine heart scans.

This 65-year old man had a relatively low heart scan score of 73, but showed an impressive quantity of calcification of his pericardium, the usually soft-tissue sack that encases the heart. The calcified pericardium is the white arcs that surround the heart in the center of the image.



Thankfully, because he's without any symptoms of breathlessness, excessive fatigue, or leg swelling, he won't need to have it surgically corrected. When the pericardium becomes rigid and encircles the heart, it can literally squeeze the heart, a condition called "constrictive pericarditis". The surgery is pretty awful.

This man's calcified pericardium likely resulted from one or more viral infections over his lifetime.

Annual physical

A judge who lives in my neighborhood was found dead in his bed this week from a heart attack. He was 49 years old. His teenage kids found him and performed CPR, but he was cold and long-gone by then.

A close friend of the judge told me that he'd passed an annual physical just weeks before.

This sort of tragedy shouldn't happen. It is easily--easily--preventable. Had this man undergone a heart scan, a score of at least 400 if not >1000 would have been uncovered, and appropriate preventive action could have been taken. The conversation could have centered around the strategies to correct the patterns that triggered his plaque and how he could reduce his score.

Of course, hospitals make use of stories like this to fuel fear that brings hordes to their wards for procedures. Would the judge have required a procedure to save his life, had his heart disease been diagnosed at his annual physical? Not necessarily. Hospitals and cardiologists would try to persuade you that procedures have an impact on mortality. This is simply not true. In fact, the mortality benefits of procedures are questionable except in the midst of acute illness (e.g., unstable chest pain symptoms or heart attack).

Don't be falsely reassured by passing a physical. A physical does nothing to screen you for heart disease. An EKG and stress test, if included, is a lame excuse for heart disease screening. Remember that a stress test is a test of coronary blood flow, not for the presence of coronary plaque. The unfortunate judge most likely had a 30% "blockage" that did not block flow, but ruptured and closed an artery off sometime in the night when he died. A stress test even on the day of his death would not have predicted this.

A CT heart scan would have uncovered it easily, unequivocally, safely.

A curious case of regression

Randi came to me at age 43. Before I'd met her, she'd undergone two heart scans about one year apart. The initial score was 57--not terribly high, but very high for a 41-year old, pre-menopausal female. Recall that rarely do women have any heart scan score above zero before age 50. Randi's 2nd scan had yielded a score of 72, a 27% increase.

Randi even had her lipoproteins assessed and she had the dreaded Lp(a). So when I met her, we discussed the possible choices in Lp(a) treatment: niacin and estrogens as primary treatment, along with LDL reduction to rock-bottom numbers, along with adjunctive DHEA, almonds, ground flaxseed, and fish oil. Sandi was okay with the adjunctive treatments and was already slender and active (BMI <25), and did not show Lp(a)'s evil partner, small LDL. But Randi had no interest in estrogens, even bio-identical preparations, because of the usual uncertainties associated with estrogen replacement. She also proved to be one of the people truly intolerant to anything but the most minute dose of niacin, experiencing prolonged flushing and abdominal cramps with any dose >250 mg.

Randi even attempted a trial of the Mathias Rath concoction of high-dose vitamin C, lysine, and proline as treatment for Lp(a), but we saw no effect on Lp(a).

Unfortunately, this left Randi's Lp(a) essentially uncorrected. Another scan one year later: 90, another 25% increase. 18 months after that, another scan: 120, a 30% increase.

Now 47-years old, Randi had resigned herself to not being able to control her plaque. We'd run out of options. At that point, I'd started to have everyone's vitamin D blood level assessed and then replaced with vitamin D. I did this with Randi, too.

A year after her last scan, she underwent another. The score: 92, a 23% reduction--substantial reversal following a course of unrelenting progression.

Randi and I, of course, both rejoiced with this unexpected success. But it raised some interesting questions: How important is Lp(a) when vitamin D is normalized and small LDL is not a part of the picture? How consistent with regression be with this strategy over time? Would normalization of vitamin D have stopped plaque from becoming established in the first place?

I hope these issues will clarify over time. For now, I'm thrilled with Randi's success. She remains on her present, "incomplete", though successful program.

Note: I would not ordinarily advise a young woman to undergo serial heart scanning with this frequency. Randi had unusual access to a scan center through a relationship with the staff. I am nonetheless grateful for the lessons her experience have taught us.

Fortune teller

Whenever your doctor uses your cholesterol values--total, LDL, HDL, triglycerides--to judge your heart disease risk, he/she is trying to act as your fortune teller.

In some states, fortune telling is illegal, a misdemeanor. The New York State lawbooks say:

A person is guilty of fortune telling when, for a fee or compensation which he directly or indirectly solicits or receives, he claims or pretends to tell fortunes, or holds himself out as being able, by claimed or pretended use of occult powers, to answer questions or give advice on personal matters or to exorcise, influence or affect evil spirits or curses; except that this section does not apply to a person who engages in the aforedescribed conduct as part of a show or exhibition solely for the purpose of entertainment or amusement.
(Source : Wikipedia)

Rather than occult powers, your physician claims to use "medical judgement" to tell your fortune. Except for that distinction, it might be construed as a misdemeanor.


Let's take three typical examples:

58-year old Laura has a high LDL of 195 mg/dl. Her HDL is 52 mg/dl, triglycerides 197 mg/dl. Does she have heart disease?

51-year old Jonathan has an LDL of 174 mg/dl, HDL 34 mg/dl, triglycerides 156 mg/dl. Does Jonathan have heart disease?

71-year old Marian has an LDL cholesterol of 135 mg/dl, HDL 84 mg/dl, triglycerides of 67 mg/dl.

None of the three have symptoms. They all feel well. Nobody is taking a statin cholesterol drug or other agent that would modify the numbers. Jonathan is around 30 lbs overweight. Nobody has an impressive family history of heart disease.

Can you tell who has heart disease and who doesn't? If you can, you're smarter than I am, because I certainly can't tell. But your doctor tries to divine your future by looking at these numbers.

Do they know something that we don't know? No. It's a crude odds game, a guessing game. A guessing game that frequently comes up on the losing end.

These are three real people. Laura, despite her high LDL, has no identifiable coronary heart disease. Jonathan has advanced coronary disease. These were his numbers just prior to his stent. Marian has a moderate quantity revealed by a CT heart scan score of 419.

Don't even try predicting your future from your cholesterol numbers--it simply can't be done. Every day, I see patients and physicians beating their heads over this dilemma. Telling your fortune using pretended occult powers is illegal. Telling your fortune using cholesterol numbers should be, too.

If you want to know if you have coronary plaque, that's the role of the CT heart scan. Plain and simple.

Heart scan score drops like a stone

Matt was dumbfounded when he found out about his heart scan score of 317 in the summer of 2005.

Earlier that year he'd unintentionally lost 20 lbs. in the space of two months and was feeling awful. He was diagnosed with diabetes and put on several medications. He told me that the heart scan score was just adding insult to injury.

As you'd expect in someone with diabetes, Matt had a low HDL, increased triglycerides, and small LDL. Blood pressure and inflammation (C-reactive protein) were issues as well.

Matt's primary care physician had put him on a statin cholesterol drug as soon as he heard about Matt's heart scan score, so we kept this going. What Matt's primary care physician didn't know was that his "true" LDL had been much higher than the conventional calculated LDL had suggested, so the statin agent was a reasonable solution. (Matt was also not terribly motivated to make dramatic changes in lifestyle or food choices. The statin drug was a compromise.)

We added fish oil and vitamin D to his regimen. Though recent data have cast doubt on the value of treating homocysteine levels of around 12.5, Matt's much higher value of 28 was treated with vitamins B6, B12, and folic acid, with a resultant homocysteine of 7.6.

17 months into the Track Your Plaque approach, and Matt's repeat heart scan score: 244, a 23% reduction.

How's that for an early Christmas gift?

"You don't have a uterus. You don't need progesterone"

I was talking with a hospital nurse recently who told me about her lack of energy, blue moods, and other assorted complaints. At age 49, she was exasperated. So I suggested that she ask her gynecologist about progesterone cream.

The gynecologist advised her, "You don't have a uterus. You don't need progesterone." He went on to explain that the only reason to take progesterone was to prevent uterine cancer caused by estrogen.

Then what about progesterone's weight loss benefits? It's effects on increased energy, improved mood, deeper sleep? These benefits, of course, have nothing to do with the uterus.

I've witnessed these benefits in women many times, both in the peri-menopausal period (which starts around your late 30's) and menopause.

Why talk about progesterone when our focus is heart disease and reduction of heart scan scores? Because if progesterone in a woman helps her feel better, more upbeat, and accelerates weight loss, she's more likely to succeed in her plaque-control program.

For additional comments on progesterone, read the Track Your Plaque interview with women's hormone expert, Dr. Nisha Jackson, Females, hormones, and weight control:
An interview with Dr. Nisha Jackson
found at http://www.cureality.com/library/fl_04-008njacksonhormones.asp. Dr. Jackson also has a book available called "The Hormone Survival Guide to Perimenopause".







Or, read Dr. John Lee's pioneering books, What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause: The Breakthrough Book on Natural Hormone Balance and What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Premenopause: Balance Your Hormones and Your Life from Thirty to Fifty . (An edition that combines the two books is available, also.)

Take a niacin "vacation"

I've been seeing a curious niacin phenomenon that has not, to my knowledge, been reported anywhere in the medical literature.

People with lipoprotein(a), or Lp(a), are best treated with niacin, particularly given the relative lack of other effective therapies. I now have seen approximately 10 people with great initial responses to niacin, only to observe Lp(a) levels slowly drift back up to the starting level over a period of 2-3 years.

In other words, if starting Lp(a) is 200 nmol/l (approximately 80 mg/dl), drops to 70 nmol/l on niacin. Then, over 2-3 years of treatment, it drifts back to 200 nmol/l. Very frustrating.

Somehow, your body's Lp(a) manufacturing mechanism circumvents the niacin, sort of like antibiotic resistance (without the bacteria, of course).

My response to this, though untested, is to have people take an occasional "niacin vacation". I don't mean take a trip to the Bahamas while on niacin. I mean take 2 weeks off from niacin every three months or so. My hope is that the occasional vacation from niacin will allow the body to continue to respond and suppress "resistance". When resuming niacin, you may have to escalate the dose gradually to avoid re-provoking the "flush".

The same "resistance" seems to develop to testosterone in males: an initial drop followed by a gradual increase. Curiously, I've not seen this in females with estrogens, which seems to generate a durable Lp(a) suppressing effect. For this reason, an occasional testosterone "vacation" might also be considered.

So far, I've advised several people to try this. The long-term success or failure, however, is uncertain. I know of no other solutions, however.

If you have Lp(a) and are on long-term niacin, you should consider talking about this issue with your physician. Like many aspects of Lp(a), while fascinating in its complexity, much remains uncertain. Stay tuned.

When LDL is more than meets the eye

Jerry wanted to know what to do with his LDL cholesterol of 112 mg/dl. "My doctor said that it's not high but it could be better."

So I asked him what the other numbers on his lipid panel showed. He pulled out the results:

LDL cholesterol 112 mg/dl

HDL 32 mg/dl

Triglycerides 159 mg/dl


I pointed out to Jerry that, given the low HDL and high triglycerides, his calculated LDL of 112 was likely inaccurate. In fact, if measured, LDL was probably more like 140-180 mg/dl. LDL particles were also virtually guaranteed to be small, since low HDL and small LDL usually go hand-in-hand (though small LDL can still occur with a good HDL).

So Jerry's LDL is really much higher than it appears. To prove it, Jerry will require an additional test, preferably one in which LDL is measured, such as LDL particle number (NMR), apoprotein B, or "direct" LDL.

It's really quite simple. Jerry likely has a high number of LDL particles that are too small. This pattern confers a three- to six-fold increased risk for heart disease.

Treatment requires more than just reducing LDL. Small LDL--an important component of this pattern, responds, for instance, to a reduction in processed carbohydrates like wheat products (breads, breakfast cereals, pretzels, etc.), NOT to a low-fat diet. Weight loss to ideal weight, especially loss of abdominal fat, will yield huge improvements in these numbers. Niacin may be a necessary component of Jerry's treatment program, since it increases LDL size and raises HDL.

For more discussion on measures superior to LDL cholesterol, see my upcoming editorial, Let Dr. Friedewald Lie in Peace (an expansion of a previous Heart Scan Blog). It will be posted on the Cardiologist on Call column on the Track Your Plaque website within the next week.)

Oil-based vitamin D


As time passes, I gain greater and greater respect for the power of restoring vitamin D blood levels to normal, i.e. 50-70 ng/ml. Just yesterday, I saw several people with blood levels of <10 ng/ml--severe deficiency.

Vitamin D deficiency this severe poses long-term risk for osteoporosis, arthritis, colon cancer, prostate cancer, inflammatory diseases, diabetes, and heart disease. Vitamin D appears to make coronary plaque reversal--reduction of your heart scan score--easier and faster.

But it is important that you take the right kind of vitamin D. Several of the people I saw yesterday with vitamin D levels of somebody living in total darkness were taking vitamin D, but they were taking tablets. Tablets are the wrong form. Powder-based tablets, in my experience, yield little or no rise in blood levels. Some preparations generate a small rise but the dose required is huge.

If you're going to take vitamin D, take a preparation that yields genuine and substantial rises in blood levels. This requires an oil-based capsule. I commonly see blood levels of 25-OH-vitamin D3 rise from, say, 10 ng/dl to 60 ng/ml when oil-based capsules are taken.

The most common dose I prescribe to patients is 2000 units per day to females, 3000-4000 units per day to males in non-sun exposed months. Ideally, your dose is adjusted to blood levels.

The Vitamin Shoppe preparation pictured here is one I've used successfully and generates bona fide rises in blood levels. And it costs around $5. Just be sure the preparation you buy is oil-based.

For rapid success, try the "fast" track

Have you tried fasting?

Before your eyes glaze over, let me tell you what I mean. I don't mean a water-only fast for two weeks while you drool over all the temptations around you and you feel sorry for yourself.

I also don't mean the juice fasts that some people use that turn into fruit juice fasts of pure sugar.

Here's another way to do it. Usually, 48 hours of doing this will yield several benefits:

--Weight loss of 1 lb. You will likely experience an even greater weight loss of 2-4 lbs, but much of this will be water loss.

--If you're like me and share a heightened sensitivity to sugars and carbohydrates (like wheat), you may find out just how awful you feel when you eat certain foods. Many people tell me they feel absolutely wonderful when they fast--clearer thinking, increased energy, improved mood. Not the constant gnawing urge to eat they expected.

--After your fast is over, you look back and realize just what large portions of food you were eating. You'll be content with smaller quantities--and enjoy it more.


The "fast" I've used successfully includes two foods:

1) Vegetable juices--that you either juice yourself or purchase. V8 or its equivalent works pretty well. Though purchased V8 is not the best, it's better than nothing and does work reasonably well. If you juice your own vegetable juices, watch out for the diarrhea if you're unaccustomed to vegetable juices. Four 8 oz glasses per day works well.

2) Soy milk--for a source of protein and modest quantity of sugar and fat. I like the Light Silk Soymilk (Vanilla) which contains 80 calories, 2 g fat (0.5 g monounsaturated), 7 g sugar, 6 g protein per 8 oz glass. Four 8 oz glasses of soymilk also work well. In my neighborhood, 8th Continent is another good choice.


Sip both of these throughout the day. Of course, drink water in unrestricted amounts.

What can you expect in your coronary plaque control/heart scan score reversal program? When the fast is over, a rise in HDL, reduction in small LDL, reduction in triglycerides, reduction in blood sugar and insulin, and a smaller tummy. This strategy can be useful to kick-start weight loss efforts or as a periodic way to maintain control over weight and lipid/lipoprotein patterns.


Nutritional Composition Silk Soymilk--Vanilla

Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 1 cup (240mL)
Servings per container 8 H/G OR 4 QT

Amount per Serving

Calories 70
Calories from Fat 20

% Daily Value
Total Fat 2g 3%
Saturated Fat 0g 0%
Trans Fat 0g
Polyunsaturated Fat 1g
Monounsaturated Fat 0.5g

Cholesterol 0mg 0%
Sodium 120mg 5%
Potassium 300mg 8%
Total Carbohydrates 8g 3%
Dietary Fiber 1g 4%
Sugars 6g
Protein 6g
Vitamin A 10%
Vitamin C 0%
Calcium 30%
Iron 6%
Vitamin D 30%
Riboflavin 30%
Folate 6%
Vitamin B12 50%
Magnesium 10%
Zinc 4%
Selenium 8%
Is glycemic index irrelevant?

Is glycemic index irrelevant?



University of Toronto nutrition scientist, Dr. David Jenkins, was the first to quantify the phenomenon of "glycemic index," describing how much blood sugar increased over 90 minutes compared to glucose. The graph is from their 1981 study, The glycemic index of foods: a physiologic basis for carbohydrate exchange. The research originated with an effort to characterize carbohydrates for diabetics to gain better control over blood sugar.

Since Dr. Jenkins’ original work, thousands of clinical studies have been performed by others exploring this concept. The food industry has also devoted plenty of effort exploiting it (e.g., low-glycemic index noodles, low-glycemic index cereals, etc.).

Most Americans are now familiar with the concept of glycemic index. You likely know that table sugar has a high glycemic index (60), increasing blood sugar to a similar degree as white bread (glycemic index 71). Oatmeal (slow-cooked) has a lower glycemic index (48), since it increases blood sugar less than white bread.

A number of studies have shown that when low glycemic index foods replace high glycemic index foods (e.g., whole wheat bread in place of cupcakes), people are healthier: less diabetes, less heart attack, less high blood pressure. Books have been written about glycemic index, touting its benefits for health and weight control. Health-conscious people will try to substitute low-glycemic index foods for high-glycemic index foods.

So what’s not to like here?

There are several fundamental flaws with the notion that low-glycemic index foods are good for you:

1) Check your blood sugar after a low-glycemic index food like oatmeal. Most non-diabetic adults will show blood sugars in the 140 to 200 mg/dl range. The more central (visceral) fat you have, the higher the value will be. In other words, an apparently “healthy” whole grain food like oatmeal can generate extravagantly high blood sugars. Repeated high blood sugars of 125 mg/dl or greater after eating increase heart disease risk by 50%.

2) Foods like whole wheat pasta have a low glycemic index because the blood sugar effect over the usual 90 minutes is increased to a lesser degree. The problem is that it remains increased for an extended period of up to several hours. In other words, the blood sugar-increasing effect of pasta, even whole grain, is long and sustained.

3) Low-glycemic index foods trigger other abnormalities, such as small LDL particles, triglycerides, and c-reactive protein (a measure of inflammation). While they are not as bad as high-glycemic index foods, they are still quite potent triggers.

Low-glycemic index foods trigger the very same responses as high-glycemic index foods—they’re just less bad. But less bad does not equate to good. Low-glycemic index foods cause weight gain, trigger appetite, increase blood pressure, and lead to the patterns that cause heart disease.

High-glycemic index foods are bad for you. This includes foods made with white flour (bagels, white bread, pretzels). Low-glycemic foods (whole grain bread, whole wheat crackers, whole wheat pasta) are less bad for you—but they are not necessarily good.

Don’t be falsely reassured by foods because they are billed as “low-glycemic index.” View low-glycemic index foods as indulgences, something you might have once in a while, since a slice of whole grain bread is really not that different from a icing-covered cupcake.

Comments (20) -

  • W8liftinmom

    2/16/2010 12:24:18 AM |

    If high GI foods are bad and low GI foods are just less bad, then what does that leave that is good?  Protein and fat?  Sounds good to me!

  • Health Test Dummy

    2/16/2010 12:35:35 AM |

    I absolutely love this post!

    So many people don't understand this basic concept.

    I have had to expose several 'health conscious' individuals at various health food stores as to WHY that Agave Nectar is just nature's 'High Fructose Corn Syrup'. Along with the Ethanol poisoning from the Fructose, their insulin is spike through the roof for longer than if they just ate table sugar!

    Thank you for continuing to educate the masses on the truth, instead of these horrific 'wives tales' that just don't seem to die!

  • mongander

    2/16/2010 2:37:32 AM |

    I was diagnosed a type 2 diabetic 30 years ago.  Now at age 70, I've lost 60 pounds through exercise and avoiding processed foods.  My breakfast every morning is boiled oats-groats and whole barley.  My vision is 20/20 and my A1C is always under 6%.  My diet is mostly vegetarian except for salmon or mackerel in my salad.  I usually avoid wheat products except when travelling or on social occasions.

  • Dr. William Davis

    2/16/2010 3:55:06 AM |

    Health Test: I love the "agave nectar is just nature's 'high-fructose corn syrup.'" Well said!

  • Anonymous

    2/16/2010 6:28:06 AM |

    What about Stevia? is stevia ok as a sugar substitute? please advise.

  • Alan

    2/16/2010 12:07:35 PM |

    I don't disagree with your comments on GI in general, although as an Aussie I believe  it should be noted that Jennie Brand-Miller had a great deal to do with the develpment of the GI/GL concept.

    As a type 2 diabetic I used the concept in a slightly different way. I used peak post-prandial testing to develop my own personal database of the effect of various foods on my own blood glucose levwels. In effect, a personal GL list.

    My main reason for commenting was this: "Check your blood sugar after a low-glycemic index food like oatmeal. Most non-diabetic adults will show blood sugars in the 140 to 200 mg/dl range." Although I agree that oatmeal would do that to me - probably worse than 11mmol/L(200mg/dL) I have doubts that it would do that to a non-diabetic. In my experience testing friends and relatives I have never tested anyone who had levels that high after a meal who was not subsequently diagnosed as a type 2. The non-diabetics I have tested, regardless of the carb load of the meal (usually a feast like Christmas) have never reached 8(144), let alone higher numbers.

    I would be interested to know if you have seen numbers like that personally in your clinical experience in non-diabetics, apart from those affected by medications like Prednisone. Or was the statement based on the experience of others?

    This is one of the few published examples that I am aware of showing post-prandial blood glucose levels in non-diabetics:
    http://www.diabetes-symposium.org/index.php?menu=view&chart=4&id=322

    Note particularly slides 17 and 27.

    Cheers, Alan
    http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/

  • Peter

    2/16/2010 12:30:38 PM |

    Why do you think the traditional extremely high carb Japanese diet
    left its population almost free of obesity and diabetes?

  • Renfrew

    2/16/2010 12:37:19 PM |

    Good post.
    In the last few years there has been a better parameter, called "Glycemic load" (GL).
    While GI is always the same, independent of HOW MUCH you eat, GL takes into account "portion size".
    This is important because if you are eating half an apple or 2 apples it will have the same GI regardless, but not the same GL.  

    Renfrew

  • Anonymous

    2/16/2010 12:44:11 PM |

    Asians eat lots of rice, and they're skinny. Therefore starch is good for you and should be consumed in large quantities. Buy my ebook, "The Edgy Contrarian Hipster Diet"!

  • Anonymous

    2/16/2010 12:58:53 PM |

    The Mercola mixed diet recommends eating occasional higher glycemic foods AFTER the rest of a meal...since this apparently blunts the insulin response.

    I've been indulging in oatmeal...eaten dry as a snack.  Also fruit.  Shame on me.

    Also beans as part of meals...not recommended (like wheat as far the effect on the gut?).  Not to mention the salted nuts roasted in hydrogenated oils.

    Still have some work to do.....

    I buy food only every 3 weeks or so...and I find that when I run out of "favorites" near the end of this period and am eating only lean meats...assorted veggies...olive oil...spices...I feel better.  Though I do seem to get a major itch to go buy some "junk food"...plus a kind of panic as far as running out of food.  

    Wondering WHY this is...since I do feel better...do I have addictions?  Need to go to a clinic to recover? Wink

    I may be addicted to the sugar rush???  The oatmeal rush? The bean rush?  The hydrogenated oil/nut rush?  

    Dependent on my food reactions?

  • Tony

    2/16/2010 1:18:46 PM |

    Hi Dr. Davis,

    If I remember correctly, in your book you recommend oat bran to decrease cholesterol.  Is that still the case?  (Many thanks for all the great work.)

  • Anonymous

    2/16/2010 2:31:46 PM |

    Thank you so much for this -- the proof is always in the testing and I abandoned many "low-GI" foods early on.  

    It sounds good, but ... I never had any success with it.  I thought it must be ME, and ended up feeling (more) sorry for myself.

  • Jeff

    2/16/2010 3:15:04 PM |

    "A slice of whole grain bread is really not that different from a icing-covered cupcake," except for the fiber, micronutrients, antioxidants, etc.

  • Dr. William Davis

    2/16/2010 4:06:46 PM |

    Alan--

    Yes, I've seen many, many people with either "normal" (<100 mg/dl or 5.5 mmol/L) or slightly increased blood glucose (100-110 mg/dl or 5.5-6.0 mmol/L) with high postprandial glucoses.


    Peter--

    I believe there are a number of reasons, including the use of rice in place of wheat. Being part Japanese, I am well aware of their eating habits which are not as high-carb as often made out. There are confounding factors, as well, including iodine content of the diet.

    Also, there are indeed fat, diabetic Japanese people, also. Diabetes is, in fact, a growing problem in Japan.

  • whatsonthemenu

    2/16/2010 7:17:14 PM |

    Dr. Davis is right about the Japanese diet.  Northeast Asians eat a bowl of rice or noodles at every meal, but that is the only high GI food at the table.  A typical Japanese, Korean, or Chinese meal includes fish or meat and non-starch vegetables.

    Moreover, type II diabetes is common among middle-aged Asians, who get the disease at lower BMIs than non-Asians.  

    I am wondering about the accuracy of identifying whole grain products as low GI.  The Easy GL Diet Handbook lists a GI of 37 for whole wheat pasta compared to 43 for regular pasta.  Likewise, brown rice and long-grain white rice have nearly identical GIs of 55 and 56, respectively.  Low GI is defined at around 55 or less, so pasta qualifies as low GI, but the difference between whole grain and refined varieties is not significant, especially when GI is converted to GL.  As the good doctor notes, it's best to avoid grains altogether.

  • Anonymous

    2/17/2010 4:11:16 AM |

    I did the test today
    And this are the results I had.

    After wake up: 86

    A bit over an hour after breakfast (rise with some vegetables, one egg, broccoli, and one cup of lapsang tea): 93

    30 Minutes after lunch (Portion of papaya, bowl of 'auyama' soup, half chicken breast with tomatoes and green peas, one boiled potato and salad with olive oil, one cup of lapsang tea): 111

    60 Minutes after lunch: 101

    Afternoon before eating some oats: 94

    30 Minutes after oats (quaker classics, soaked in water for 10 minutes with some almonds): 110

    60 Minutes after oats: 121

    30 Minutes after dinner (3/4 chicken breast same sauce as lunch, broccoli, salad, couple glasses of red wine): 109

    60 Minutes after dinner: 116

    90 Minutes after dinner: 92

    This opens many questions to me, like how much the time at which I had the oats affects. Or the fat I just had them with some almonds instead than as part of a whole meal

    Also as dinner seems to have more effect on my glucose than lunch even when lunch had  fruit and a potato I wonder if this is due to the black tea at lunch or to the time of the day.

    Also I wonder how much effect had the wine at dinner.

    I'll do some more tests when my fingers recover

  • Jonathan

    2/18/2010 9:35:22 AM |

    I would add to this post the fact that fructose has low GI, yet is more toxic and screws up the metabolism more than most other carbohydrates.  (E.g. causing fatty liver disease and insulin/leptin resistance; increasing hunger rather than satiating it.)  Food companies are motivated to add fructose to their products so they can claim a lower GI (hence the agave craze), but the fructose does more harm than most higher-GI carbs.

  • renegadediabetic

    2/18/2010 2:36:37 PM |

    I soon discovered that "low GI" foods, like oatmeal and other whole grains, still cause an unacceptable rise in my blood sugar.  Low GI may be a little better than high GI, but filtered cigarettes are a little better than non-filtered cigarettes.  Both are still bad.

    Glycemic load, which also takes into accout the number of carb grams, is much more relevant.  Non starchy veg, meat, & fat are about as low GI/GL as you can get.

    As for agave nectar, they still have to process it to extract it.  I'm not sure it's all that "natural."

  • buy jeans

    11/3/2010 3:13:22 PM |

    Low-glycemic index foods trigger the very same responses as high-glycemic index foods—they’re just less bad. But less bad does not equate to good. Low-glycemic index foods cause weight gain, trigger appetite, increase blood pressure, and lead to the patterns that cause heart disease.

  • Ivan

    7/2/2011 3:56:20 PM |

    I eat oats with milk and 2 tbsp of ground flax seeds every morning, and since I'm doing that every morning I lost 10 pounds, and I feel great. I don't crave for sweet anymore. So, I don't understand how low glycemic foods like oats can increase your weight?
    Few of my friends who implemented oats and flax seed in their diet had similar results.
    No one mentioned very valuable fiber that oats contain.

    Ivan
    Male, 37 y.o.

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