"I have never seen regression"

At a presentation at the American College of Cardiology meetings in New Orleans yesterday (March 27, 2007), Dr. Arthur Agatston declared "I have been doing CT for many years, and I have never seen regression."

Whooooaaaa. Wait a minute here. I have great respect for the work Dr. Agatston has done over the years. He is, after the originator of the scoring algorithm that allows us to score CT heart scans (though a more accurate measure, the volumetric score, is the one we often use behind closed doors because of modestly increased accuracy and reproducibility). His diet program, the South Beach Diet, has achieved enormous success and is indeed an effective approach for both weight loss and correction of many weight-related causes of heart disease.

But he has never seen regression? Why would this be when we see it all the time? When we see heart scan scores drop 30%, it's hard to believe that with some savvy he has never seen regression (drop in score).

I can only attribute the difference to the more intensive endpoints we advocate (e.g., 60-60-60 for lipid values); the incorporation of adjuncts like fish oil, vitamin D, l-arginine; attention to non-cholesterol issues and intensified treatments for each. I doubt that the populations we see differ substantially.

As much as I admire Dr. Agatston's accomplishments, I believe that he is behind the times on this issue. No regression is so starkly different from the Track Your Plaque experience. I believe that relying only on statin drugs and diet will slow but will not stop plaque growth. It will also rarely, if ever, drop your score.

Attention to detail and a little insight into better preventive strategies really pays off. While not everyone in the Track Your Plaque experience will drop their score, a substantial number do. Many more slow plaque growth dramatically. And, as time goes on, our track record gets stronger and stronger.

COURAGE to do better

The results of the long-awaited COURAGE Trial were announced today at the American College of Cardiology meetings in New Orleans.

In this trial, 2200 participants with stable coronary disease (i.e., not unstable, in which heart attack or death is imminent) were randomly assigned ("randomized") to either angioplassty/stent or "maximal medical therapy." Medical therapy means such things as aspirin, beta blocker drugs, and statin cholesterol drugs. There was virtually no difference between the groups in rate of heart attack and death from heart disease over a period of up to 7 years.

These results have caused a stir in the media and my colleagues, trying to sort out of the implications. However, I think there's one observation in particular worth making for those of us who tend to scoff at the conventional approach to coronary disease. That is, 1 of 5 people had a heart attack or died from heart disease in both groups. That's a lot. Even more ended up with a procedure (angioplasty, stent, or bypass). In other words, the "maximal medical therapy" instituted in participants was hardly a success. Though angioplasty and stenting failed to prove superiority, both really stunk. Both permitted a lot of catastrophes to occur.

"Maximal medical therapy," in other words, is a laughable concept. It doesn't include raising HDL, suppressing small LDL, reducing Lipoprotein(a), addressing inflammatory issues. It does not include omega-3 fatty acids from fish oil, nor does it address the severe degrees of vitamin D deficiency that are proving, in the Track Your Plaque experience, to be among the most potent causes of atherosclerotic plaque known. It includes a sad attempt at diet, as advocated by the American Heart Association, a diet that, in my view, causes heart disease and is distorted by the powerful political and financial influence of food manufacturers.

If the trial were to be done again, I'd like to see the "maximal medical therapy" arm be represented by a more effective program like the Track Your Plaque approach.

Value of a zero heart scan score

Margaret is 73. She's a very good 73. She loves children and works full-time in a daycare. She manages her own household, goes to dinner at least once each week with one or more of her adult children. She is slender and has never been in the hospital--until she developed an abnormal heart rhythm called atrial fibrillation.

Most people who develop atrial fibrillation do so with no immediate identifiable cause. However, Margaret has been a widow since her husband died 15 years ago of a heart attack. She was therefore especially frightened of any heart issues in her own health. Her doctor also raised the question of whether atrial fibrillation might represent the first hint of future heart attack.

So we advised a CT heart scan. Score: zero, or no detectable plaque whatsoever. This put Margaret's risk for heart attack as close to zero as humanly possible. (Nobody is truly at zero risk for heart attack for a number of reasons. One reason is that people do irrational things like take cocaine or amphetamines, or they take too much decongestant medication, all of which can trigger heart attack.)

The heart scan settled it. Margaret has the sort of atrial fibrillation which likely simply develops as a result of "wear and tear" on the heart's electrical impulse conducting system and it has nothing to do with coronary heart disease or heart attack.

As that MasterCard commercial goes: Cost of a heart scan: About $200. Peace of mind: priceless.

You're at the cutting edge

If you're a participant in the Track Your Plaque program for atherosclerotic plaque regression, you are at the cutting edge of health.

Few physicians give this issue any thought. Chances are, for instance, that if you were to bring up the subject of reversal of heart disease to your primary care physician, you'd get a dismissive "it's not possible," or " Yeah, it's possible but it's rare."

Ask a cardiologist and you might make a little more progress. He/she might tell you that Lipitor 80 mg per day or Crestor 40 mg per day might achieve a halt in plaque growth or a modest reduction of up to 5-6%. If they've tried this strategy, they would likely also tell you that hardly anybody can tolerate these doses for long due to muscle aches. I'd estimate that 1 of 10 of my colleagues would even be aware of these studies.

Both groups are, however, reasonably adept at diagnosing chest pain, an everyday occurrence in hospitals and offices. Chest pain, for them, is a whole lot more interesting. It holds the promise of acute catastrophe and all its excitement. It also holds the key to lots of hospital revenues. Did you know that 80% of all internal medicine physicians are now employees of hospitals? They're also commonly paid on an incentive basis. More revenues, more money.

Ask Drs. Dean Ornish or Caldwell Esselstyn about reversal of heart disease and they will tell you that a very low-fat diet (<10% of calories)can do it. That's true if you use a flawed test of coronary disease like heart catheterization (angiograms) or nuclear stress tests (Ornish calls them "SPECT"). It would be like judging the health of the plumbing in your house by the volume of water flowing out the spigot. It flows even when the pipes are loaded with rust.

In the Track Your Plaque experience, extreme low-fat diets (i.e., high wheat, corn, and rice diets) grotesquely exagerrate the small LDL particle size pattern, among the most potent triggers for coronary plaque growth. This approach also makes your abdomen get fatter and fatter and inches you closer to diabetes. Triglycerides go up, inflammation increases.

If you were able to measure the rust in the pipes, that would be a superior test. You can measure the "rust" in your "pipes," the atherosclerotic plaque in your coronary arteries, using two methods: CT heart scans or intracoronary ultrasound. Take your pick. I'd choose a heart scan. It's safe, accurate, inexpensive. I've performed many intracoronary ultrasounds for people in the midst of heart attacks or some other reason to go to the catheterization laboratory. But for well people, without symptoms, who are interested in identifying and tracking plaque? That's the place for heart scans.

In our program, 18-30% reductions in heart scan scores are common.

A stent--just in case

Burt came to me last week. He'd received a stent a few months earlier. He'd been feeling fine except for some fatigue. A nuclear stress test proved equivocal, with the question of an abnormal area of blood flow in the bottom (inferior wall) of the heart.

"The doctor said I had a 50% blockage. Even though it wasn't really severe, he said I'd be better off with a stent, just in case."

Just in case what? What justification could there be for implanting a stent "just in case"? (The artery that was stented did not correspond to the area of questionable poor blood flow on the nuclear stress test.)

Just in case of heart attack? If that's the case, what about the several 20 and 30% blockages Burt showed in other arteries? The cardiologist was apparently trying to prevent the plaque "rupture" that results in heart attack by covering it with a stent. Why stent just one when there were at least 7 other plaques with potential for rupture?

That's the problem. And that's why stents do not prevent heart attack (unless the stent is implanted in the midst of heart attack, when the rupturing plaque declares itself.) Of course, when no plaque is in the midst of rupturing, as with Burt, there's no way to predict which plaque will do so in future. Since only one plaque was stented, there is a 7 out of 8 chance (87.5%) that the wrong plaque was chosen. And that's assuming that there aren't plaques not detected by catheterization angiogram; there commonly are. The odds that the right plaque was chosen would be even lower.

In other words, stenting one blockage that is slightly more "severely blocked" in the hopes of preventing heart attack is folly. If it's not resulting in symptoms and blood flow is not clearly reduced, a stent can not be used to prevent plaque rupture. A stent is not a device to be used prophylactically. It is especially silly when an approach like ours is followed, since plague progession is a stoppable process.

Note: This issue is distinct from the one in which symptoms and/or an abnormal stress test show clearly reduced blood flow and flow is restored by implantation of a stent. While some controversies exist here, as well, a stent implanted under these circumstances may indeed provide some benefit.

How will you know your score dropped?

This issue came up twice this week.

Bill is a busy accountant. Two years ago, just after the tumult of the 2005 tax season was over, he got a CT heart scan. His score: 398. At age 53, this was a significant score. His internist did the usual: prescribed a statin (Zocor), told him to cut the fat in his diet, and be sure to exercise. (Yawn.)

Since then, Bill quit preparing tax returns and migrated to a less harried job in corporate accounting. It took two years since his heart scan for Bill to start thinking that perhaps his doctor's advice wasn't enough. If it was, he realized, everyone on a statin drug who made these minimal lifestyle changes would be cured of heart attack risk. Clearly not the case.

So Bill enrolled in the Track Your Plaque program. Our first step: Get another heart scan.

Bill was surprised. "Why another scan? I already had one!"

I explained to Bill that atherosclerotic plaque is like money: it grows in percentages, just like money in a bank account or in a mutual fund. If, for instance, you deposit $500 in a mutual fund and it yields 5% return, then after one year you will have $550. One year later, you will have 5% x $550, or $605. Another year: $665. In other words, growth is not 10% of the original amount you deposited. Growth is compounded, year over year. That's why money, when compounded, can grow so quickly.

Atherosclerotic plaque and your CT heart scan score do the same thing: they grow by a percentage of the current plaque quantity. In fact, we use the compound interest equation to calculate the annualized rate of plaque growth. But plaque grows at the extraordinary rate of 30% per year, on average. Imagine that was the rate of return on your money. You'd be the richest man or woman on earth.

Back to Bill. Now Bill, in his defense, was on a statin drug and did make modest efforts towards a (mis-guided) low-fat diet and walking four days per week. If, on a second CT heart scan, his score was:

398--No change. That's a success, since the expected rate of increase of 30% has been stopped. However, on his current program, this is highly unlikely. (I've seen it happen just once ever out of about 2000 people.)

250--Pop the cork on your champagne, because Bill needs to celebrate. He has substantially reversed his plaque. Highly unlikely on the current effort.

525 --The score is higher by 30%, so it has slowed, but it surely hasn't stopped. This is the most typical result on the sort of program Bill is following.

The message: Don't delay after your first heart scan score. It plaque grows like money with a huge return, there's no time like the present to take the steps to regain control.

Firefighters Face Added Risk of Fatal Heart Attack

Firefighters are twice as likely to die from a heart attack in the line of duty than are policemen, and three times more likely than EMTs.

That's among the headlines run today because of a report in the New England Journal of Medicine documenting a dramatically higher risk for heart attack for fire fighters putting out fires. The above headline is from an excellent report run on NPR radio. You can listen to the webcast at http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9047656.

The story sparked comments from experts insisting that all fire fighters should have physicals, should be in better physical condition, should be covered by health insurance (the NPR report said that 1 out of 4 fire fighters lack health insurance). Judging from the indisputable risk firefighters encounter, these are all good ideas.

But if you've been following my blog or the Track Your Plaque program, you know that physicals alone are hopeless exercises for identifying hidden heart disease. Among the solutions: identify whether or not heart disease is present in the first place--do a CT heart scan.

In fact, several local fire companies in my area have done just that: insisting that all firefighters undergo a heart scan. When groups of people like firefighters arrange for heart scans, they gain the advantage of doing so en masse, thereby allowing many scan centers to offer a dramatically reduced price to the city, town, or village that is paying for them. I've even seen many firefighters scanned at no cost.

It would also help to have health insurance, be physically fit, and have a stress test (an exception to my view that stress tests are also useless to screen asymptomatic people for heart disease). But a CT heart scan would settle the question quickly, easily, undeniably, and inexpensively.

Prophylactic bypass surgery?

This question comes up around once a week:

My CT heart scan score is ____. Wouldn't I be better off just getting a bypass (or stent, etc.) and getting it over with? If I know that heart attack is in my future, why not just get it over with?

The most recent source of this question was the wife of a patient. Jack had a heart scan score of 92 in 2005. He made very little effort to correct his causes, permitting pre-diabetic patterns to persist, failed to correct vitamin D, etc. and a repeat heart scan score showed a dramatic rise to 264.

Jack's wife asked whether he should just have a bypass.

There are several problems with this line of reasoning:

1) Bypass surgery does not reduce the long term risk for heart attack.

2) The risk of bypass surgery often outweighs the risk of an asymptomatic heart scan score.

3) Bypass surgery is a temporary "fix," a fancy Band Aid for a disease that progresses after the procedure. One bypass typically prompts another, and another...

4) Bypassing arteries that have vigorous blood flow often causes the bypass graft to not "take" and close within the first few days.


Thankfully, nobody in his right mind has proposed that we perform prophylactic bypass operations.

Of course, hospitals and surgeons would jump at the chance to perform procedures in anybody with some threshhold heart scan score. It would double or triple their business overnight. At $70,000 or more per procedure, they would dance in glee. Of course, you and I would pay for their new burst of wealth by a sharp increase in our health insurance premiums. Not only that, the people who underwent the procedure would not benefit.

Lipitor 80 mg

I'm seeing more and more people taking 80 mg of Lipitor per day. For the most part, these are people who come in for another opinion after a stent or heart attack and are prescribed the drug during their hospitalization.

This practice is based on the results of the PROVE IT-TIMI 22 (PRavastatin Or atorVastatin Evaluation and Infection Therapy-Thrombolysis In Myocardial Infarction) trial, and the Reversal of Atherosclerosis with Aggressive Lipid Lowering (REVERSAL) trial, both reported in 2005. In the PROVE IT Trial, 4,000 people experiencing heart attacks were treated with Lipitor (atorvastatin), 80 mg, or Pravachol (pravastatin), 40 mg. There was a reduction in events like recurrent heart attack from 13.1% in the Pravachol group to 9.6% in the Lipitor group. In the REVERSAL Trial, the Lipitor group also showed no plaque growth compared to the Pravachol group, which did progress, with disease tracked by intracoronary ultrasound.

I believe that many of my colleagues took the bait. In a half-hearted effort to reduce events and trend towards better coronary plaque control, writing a prescription for 80 mg rather than a lower dose has become increasingly popular.

Some problems: Despite the favorable tolerance to high dose Lipitor in these trials, I don't know anybody who can tolerate 80 mg per day for more than a few months in real life. In my experience, people inevitably end up with intolerable muscle aches.

Also, I believe it is folly to believe that we can regress coronary plaque on a broad scale by just using one drug that addresses only a single cause (i.e., LDL cholesterol). Yes, drug companies would argue that the statin drugs are so wonderful because of their so-called "pleiotropic", or non-lipid, effects like reducing inflammation. I have seen regression of plaque once using Lipitor alone. We struggle to reduce coronary plaque using a multi-faceted approach. It is highly unlikely that Lipitor alone at a 80 mg dose will be sufficient in most people to regress plaque. How about lipoprotein(a)? Or vitamin D deficiency? Lipitor has no effect on these patterns and people do not regress just by taking statin agents.

Orlistat for weight loss

In early February, the FDA approved orlistat, formerly known as prescription Xenical, for over-the-counter sale. Orlistat is a blocker of fat absorption.

The new OTC version will be called "Alli" (pronounced like "ally") and will come at a dose of 60 mg to be taken three times a day with meals. Prescription Xenical came as a 120 mg tablet. However, the company claims that the reduced dose sacrifices only 5% in reduced fat absorption, dropping from 30% with Xenical to 25% with Alli. It will cost in the neighborhood of $1 to $2 per day, or $30-60 per month, far less expensive than the $110-150 for the prescription form.

Does it work? Is it worth the money? Clinical trials document around 5-10 lbs lost over a 3 to 6 month period, 50% greater than using diet and exercise alone.

Our experience is that it works, though inconsistently. Results depend heavily on how reliant you are on fat calories. If you were to follow a low-fat diet while on the drug, you likely will lose little or no weight, since there's little fat absorption to block. However, I have witnessed more substantial weight loss of 10-20 lbs. in people who follow a higher fat intake in their diet, e.g., a traditional American diet. However, these people gain the weight back immediately because they've made no effort to modify food choices.

It is messy. Even though the clinical trials claims modest inconvenient effects like gas and greasy stools, I have found that it is, without fail, a very annoying product that results in crampiness and frequent messy stools in nearly everybody.

The company has created a glitzy website that you can view at www.myalli.com and promises to provide a personalized program and support for registrants when it is up and running by summer 2007.
I think that's a good idea, since the drug itself is no more than a temporary fix unless it's combined with long-term diet changes. However, the website, I believe, oversells the value of the drug with a drug company's usual over-the-top hints and innuendoes without actually coming out with straight pitches of the truth.

Beware of the vitamin D-blocking effect of Orlistat. The period of time you take it may be a time to resort to some modest sun exposure (10-15 minutes; be careful not to burn), rather than than oil-based vitamin D capsules, in order to avoid the inevitable vitamin D plunge in blood level.

I am not a fan of orlistat, having seen it tried many times with minimal success. However, it is another option for those who are really struggling. Personally, I would try fasting or some of the other strategies we've detailed on the www.cureality.com website before I resorted to orlistat.
Is glycemic index irrelevant?

Is glycemic index irrelevant?



University of Toronto nutrition scientist, Dr. David Jenkins, was the first to quantify the phenomenon of "glycemic index," describing how much blood sugar increased over 90 minutes compared to glucose. The graph is from their 1981 study, The glycemic index of foods: a physiologic basis for carbohydrate exchange. The research originated with an effort to characterize carbohydrates for diabetics to gain better control over blood sugar.

Since Dr. Jenkins’ original work, thousands of clinical studies have been performed by others exploring this concept. The food industry has also devoted plenty of effort exploiting it (e.g., low-glycemic index noodles, low-glycemic index cereals, etc.).

Most Americans are now familiar with the concept of glycemic index. You likely know that table sugar has a high glycemic index (60), increasing blood sugar to a similar degree as white bread (glycemic index 71). Oatmeal (slow-cooked) has a lower glycemic index (48), since it increases blood sugar less than white bread.

A number of studies have shown that when low glycemic index foods replace high glycemic index foods (e.g., whole wheat bread in place of cupcakes), people are healthier: less diabetes, less heart attack, less high blood pressure. Books have been written about glycemic index, touting its benefits for health and weight control. Health-conscious people will try to substitute low-glycemic index foods for high-glycemic index foods.

So what’s not to like here?

There are several fundamental flaws with the notion that low-glycemic index foods are good for you:

1) Check your blood sugar after a low-glycemic index food like oatmeal. Most non-diabetic adults will show blood sugars in the 140 to 200 mg/dl range. The more central (visceral) fat you have, the higher the value will be. In other words, an apparently “healthy” whole grain food like oatmeal can generate extravagantly high blood sugars. Repeated high blood sugars of 125 mg/dl or greater after eating increase heart disease risk by 50%.

2) Foods like whole wheat pasta have a low glycemic index because the blood sugar effect over the usual 90 minutes is increased to a lesser degree. The problem is that it remains increased for an extended period of up to several hours. In other words, the blood sugar-increasing effect of pasta, even whole grain, is long and sustained.

3) Low-glycemic index foods trigger other abnormalities, such as small LDL particles, triglycerides, and c-reactive protein (a measure of inflammation). While they are not as bad as high-glycemic index foods, they are still quite potent triggers.

Low-glycemic index foods trigger the very same responses as high-glycemic index foods—they’re just less bad. But less bad does not equate to good. Low-glycemic index foods cause weight gain, trigger appetite, increase blood pressure, and lead to the patterns that cause heart disease.

High-glycemic index foods are bad for you. This includes foods made with white flour (bagels, white bread, pretzels). Low-glycemic foods (whole grain bread, whole wheat crackers, whole wheat pasta) are less bad for you—but they are not necessarily good.

Don’t be falsely reassured by foods because they are billed as “low-glycemic index.” View low-glycemic index foods as indulgences, something you might have once in a while, since a slice of whole grain bread is really not that different from a icing-covered cupcake.

Comments (20) -

  • W8liftinmom

    2/16/2010 12:24:18 AM |

    If high GI foods are bad and low GI foods are just less bad, then what does that leave that is good?  Protein and fat?  Sounds good to me!

  • Health Test Dummy

    2/16/2010 12:35:35 AM |

    I absolutely love this post!

    So many people don't understand this basic concept.

    I have had to expose several 'health conscious' individuals at various health food stores as to WHY that Agave Nectar is just nature's 'High Fructose Corn Syrup'. Along with the Ethanol poisoning from the Fructose, their insulin is spike through the roof for longer than if they just ate table sugar!

    Thank you for continuing to educate the masses on the truth, instead of these horrific 'wives tales' that just don't seem to die!

  • mongander

    2/16/2010 2:37:32 AM |

    I was diagnosed a type 2 diabetic 30 years ago.  Now at age 70, I've lost 60 pounds through exercise and avoiding processed foods.  My breakfast every morning is boiled oats-groats and whole barley.  My vision is 20/20 and my A1C is always under 6%.  My diet is mostly vegetarian except for salmon or mackerel in my salad.  I usually avoid wheat products except when travelling or on social occasions.

  • Dr. William Davis

    2/16/2010 3:55:06 AM |

    Health Test: I love the "agave nectar is just nature's 'high-fructose corn syrup.'" Well said!

  • Anonymous

    2/16/2010 6:28:06 AM |

    What about Stevia? is stevia ok as a sugar substitute? please advise.

  • Alan

    2/16/2010 12:07:35 PM |

    I don't disagree with your comments on GI in general, although as an Aussie I believe  it should be noted that Jennie Brand-Miller had a great deal to do with the develpment of the GI/GL concept.

    As a type 2 diabetic I used the concept in a slightly different way. I used peak post-prandial testing to develop my own personal database of the effect of various foods on my own blood glucose levwels. In effect, a personal GL list.

    My main reason for commenting was this: "Check your blood sugar after a low-glycemic index food like oatmeal. Most non-diabetic adults will show blood sugars in the 140 to 200 mg/dl range." Although I agree that oatmeal would do that to me - probably worse than 11mmol/L(200mg/dL) I have doubts that it would do that to a non-diabetic. In my experience testing friends and relatives I have never tested anyone who had levels that high after a meal who was not subsequently diagnosed as a type 2. The non-diabetics I have tested, regardless of the carb load of the meal (usually a feast like Christmas) have never reached 8(144), let alone higher numbers.

    I would be interested to know if you have seen numbers like that personally in your clinical experience in non-diabetics, apart from those affected by medications like Prednisone. Or was the statement based on the experience of others?

    This is one of the few published examples that I am aware of showing post-prandial blood glucose levels in non-diabetics:
    http://www.diabetes-symposium.org/index.php?menu=view&chart=4&id=322

    Note particularly slides 17 and 27.

    Cheers, Alan
    http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com/

  • Peter

    2/16/2010 12:30:38 PM |

    Why do you think the traditional extremely high carb Japanese diet
    left its population almost free of obesity and diabetes?

  • Renfrew

    2/16/2010 12:37:19 PM |

    Good post.
    In the last few years there has been a better parameter, called "Glycemic load" (GL).
    While GI is always the same, independent of HOW MUCH you eat, GL takes into account "portion size".
    This is important because if you are eating half an apple or 2 apples it will have the same GI regardless, but not the same GL.  

    Renfrew

  • Anonymous

    2/16/2010 12:44:11 PM |

    Asians eat lots of rice, and they're skinny. Therefore starch is good for you and should be consumed in large quantities. Buy my ebook, "The Edgy Contrarian Hipster Diet"!

  • Anonymous

    2/16/2010 12:58:53 PM |

    The Mercola mixed diet recommends eating occasional higher glycemic foods AFTER the rest of a meal...since this apparently blunts the insulin response.

    I've been indulging in oatmeal...eaten dry as a snack.  Also fruit.  Shame on me.

    Also beans as part of meals...not recommended (like wheat as far the effect on the gut?).  Not to mention the salted nuts roasted in hydrogenated oils.

    Still have some work to do.....

    I buy food only every 3 weeks or so...and I find that when I run out of "favorites" near the end of this period and am eating only lean meats...assorted veggies...olive oil...spices...I feel better.  Though I do seem to get a major itch to go buy some "junk food"...plus a kind of panic as far as running out of food.  

    Wondering WHY this is...since I do feel better...do I have addictions?  Need to go to a clinic to recover? Wink

    I may be addicted to the sugar rush???  The oatmeal rush? The bean rush?  The hydrogenated oil/nut rush?  

    Dependent on my food reactions?

  • Tony

    2/16/2010 1:18:46 PM |

    Hi Dr. Davis,

    If I remember correctly, in your book you recommend oat bran to decrease cholesterol.  Is that still the case?  (Many thanks for all the great work.)

  • Anonymous

    2/16/2010 2:31:46 PM |

    Thank you so much for this -- the proof is always in the testing and I abandoned many "low-GI" foods early on.  

    It sounds good, but ... I never had any success with it.  I thought it must be ME, and ended up feeling (more) sorry for myself.

  • Jeff

    2/16/2010 3:15:04 PM |

    "A slice of whole grain bread is really not that different from a icing-covered cupcake," except for the fiber, micronutrients, antioxidants, etc.

  • Dr. William Davis

    2/16/2010 4:06:46 PM |

    Alan--

    Yes, I've seen many, many people with either "normal" (<100 mg/dl or 5.5 mmol/L) or slightly increased blood glucose (100-110 mg/dl or 5.5-6.0 mmol/L) with high postprandial glucoses.


    Peter--

    I believe there are a number of reasons, including the use of rice in place of wheat. Being part Japanese, I am well aware of their eating habits which are not as high-carb as often made out. There are confounding factors, as well, including iodine content of the diet.

    Also, there are indeed fat, diabetic Japanese people, also. Diabetes is, in fact, a growing problem in Japan.

  • whatsonthemenu

    2/16/2010 7:17:14 PM |

    Dr. Davis is right about the Japanese diet.  Northeast Asians eat a bowl of rice or noodles at every meal, but that is the only high GI food at the table.  A typical Japanese, Korean, or Chinese meal includes fish or meat and non-starch vegetables.

    Moreover, type II diabetes is common among middle-aged Asians, who get the disease at lower BMIs than non-Asians.  

    I am wondering about the accuracy of identifying whole grain products as low GI.  The Easy GL Diet Handbook lists a GI of 37 for whole wheat pasta compared to 43 for regular pasta.  Likewise, brown rice and long-grain white rice have nearly identical GIs of 55 and 56, respectively.  Low GI is defined at around 55 or less, so pasta qualifies as low GI, but the difference between whole grain and refined varieties is not significant, especially when GI is converted to GL.  As the good doctor notes, it's best to avoid grains altogether.

  • Anonymous

    2/17/2010 4:11:16 AM |

    I did the test today
    And this are the results I had.

    After wake up: 86

    A bit over an hour after breakfast (rise with some vegetables, one egg, broccoli, and one cup of lapsang tea): 93

    30 Minutes after lunch (Portion of papaya, bowl of 'auyama' soup, half chicken breast with tomatoes and green peas, one boiled potato and salad with olive oil, one cup of lapsang tea): 111

    60 Minutes after lunch: 101

    Afternoon before eating some oats: 94

    30 Minutes after oats (quaker classics, soaked in water for 10 minutes with some almonds): 110

    60 Minutes after oats: 121

    30 Minutes after dinner (3/4 chicken breast same sauce as lunch, broccoli, salad, couple glasses of red wine): 109

    60 Minutes after dinner: 116

    90 Minutes after dinner: 92

    This opens many questions to me, like how much the time at which I had the oats affects. Or the fat I just had them with some almonds instead than as part of a whole meal

    Also as dinner seems to have more effect on my glucose than lunch even when lunch had  fruit and a potato I wonder if this is due to the black tea at lunch or to the time of the day.

    Also I wonder how much effect had the wine at dinner.

    I'll do some more tests when my fingers recover

  • Jonathan

    2/18/2010 9:35:22 AM |

    I would add to this post the fact that fructose has low GI, yet is more toxic and screws up the metabolism more than most other carbohydrates.  (E.g. causing fatty liver disease and insulin/leptin resistance; increasing hunger rather than satiating it.)  Food companies are motivated to add fructose to their products so they can claim a lower GI (hence the agave craze), but the fructose does more harm than most higher-GI carbs.

  • renegadediabetic

    2/18/2010 2:36:37 PM |

    I soon discovered that "low GI" foods, like oatmeal and other whole grains, still cause an unacceptable rise in my blood sugar.  Low GI may be a little better than high GI, but filtered cigarettes are a little better than non-filtered cigarettes.  Both are still bad.

    Glycemic load, which also takes into accout the number of carb grams, is much more relevant.  Non starchy veg, meat, & fat are about as low GI/GL as you can get.

    As for agave nectar, they still have to process it to extract it.  I'm not sure it's all that "natural."

  • buy jeans

    11/3/2010 3:13:22 PM |

    Low-glycemic index foods trigger the very same responses as high-glycemic index foods—they’re just less bad. But less bad does not equate to good. Low-glycemic index foods cause weight gain, trigger appetite, increase blood pressure, and lead to the patterns that cause heart disease.

  • Ivan

    7/2/2011 3:56:20 PM |

    I eat oats with milk and 2 tbsp of ground flax seeds every morning, and since I'm doing that every morning I lost 10 pounds, and I feel great. I don't crave for sweet anymore. So, I don't understand how low glycemic foods like oats can increase your weight?
    Few of my friends who implemented oats and flax seed in their diet had similar results.
    No one mentioned very valuable fiber that oats contain.

    Ivan
    Male, 37 y.o.

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