Dr. Reinhold Vieth on vitamin D

A Track Your Plaque member brough the following webcast to our attention:

Prospects for Vitamin D Nutrition
which can be found at http://tinyurl.com/f93vl

Despite the painfully dull title, the webcast is the best summary of data on the health benefits on vitamin D that I've seen. The presenter is Dr. Reinhold Vieth, who is among the handful of worldwide authorities on vitamin D. In 1999, Dr. Vieth authored the first review to concisely and persuasively argue that vitamin D nutrition was woefully neglected and that its potential for health was enormous.
(See Vieth R, Am J Clin Nutr 1999 May;69(5):842-856 at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=10232622&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_DocSum.)

I predict that, after viewing Dr. Vieth's hour-long discussion, you will be as convinced as I am that vitamin D is crucial for health. Unfortunately, Dr. Vieth doesn't delve into the conversation about the potential effects on heart disease, since his audience was primary interested in multiple sclerosis, a disease for which vitamin D replacement promises to have enormous possibilities. Even in 2007, the data suggesting that vitamin D has heart benefits is circumstantial. Nonetheless, from our experience, I am thoroughly convinced that, with replacement to blood levels of vitamin D to 50 ng/ml, heart scan scores drop more readily and faster.

If you view Dr. Vieth's wonderful webcast, keep in mind that when he discusses vitamin D blood levels, he's using units of nmol/l, rather than ng/ml. To convert nmol/l to ng/ml, divided by 2.5. For example, 125 nmol/l is the same as 50 ng/ml (125/2.5 = 50).

Vitamin D on Good Morning America


Positive comments about vitamin D made it to a discussion on Good Morning America today about the new and exciting developments in nutrition and "functional foods".

I'm thrilled that the media is conducting these conversations. It sure is making my job easier, not having to persuade patients that taking vitamin D is truly and hugely beneficial for health. I still have to struggle with my colleagues, who tell patients to stop the "poisonous" doses we use.

But I worry that many of the details behind vitamin D don't quite make it to the media conversation. These are crucial, make-it-or-break-it issues, such as:

--Vitamin D must be vitamin D3 or cholecalciferol, not D2 or ergocalciferol. D2 is virtually worthless. Little or none is converted to the active D3, despite the fact that D2 is the form often added to some foods.

--Vitamin D3 supplements must be oil-based capsules, or gelcaps. Tablets are so poorly or erratically absorbed that it's simply not worth the effort. (We get ours from the Vitamin Shoppe.)

--The dose should be sufficient to eliminate the phenemena of deficiency, which is around 50 ng/ml. I take 6000 units per day. Dr. John Cannell of www.vitamindcouncil.com takes 5000 units per day. I give my wife 2000 units per day (she's not as deficient as I was), each of my kids 1000 units per day, except for my 180 lb. 15 year old who takes 2000 units.

I fear that, when people hear that vitamin D packs fabulous effects for health, they will take a 400 unit tablet--nothing will happen. They will not obtain the benefits such as reduction of blood pressure and blood sugar; increased bone density, reduction of arthritis, dramatic reduction in risk for fractures; reduction in risk for colon, prostate, and breast cancer; reduction in risk for multiple sclerosis; reduction in inflammatory processes such as those evidenced by C-reactive protein; and facilitation of reduction of heart scan score.

Would you bet your life on chelation?


Hugh's heart scan score was 1751, an awful score. Recall that, at this level of scoring, Hugh's heart attack and death risk is 25% per year.

Obviously, serious efforts need to be taken. In this situation, much as I despise drug companies and what they represent and their heavy-handed ways, I'm more inclined to resort directly to prescription agents, as well as our nutritional supplements and other strategies. The price of dilly-dallying could be his death.

Hugh and his wife asked about chelation. Now, there are five studies I'm aware of that have tried to examine the value of chelation. None showed any measurable benefit, though all were rather weak in design and small in number of participants. One study, for instance, looked at whether anginal chest pains were provoked any later after chelation. Another looked at whether calf claudication, or calf cramping while walking due to artery blockages in the leg arteries, was delayed on treadmill testing after chelation. No benefit was observed: no delay in provocation of angina, no delay in provocation of claudication.

However, the adherents of chelation have been vehement enough that the NIH has funded a large, multi-center study to settle the question once and for all. Best I can tell, the study has not been contaminated by any drug company involvement. It is meant to be an unbiased, objective study of whether chelation has any value.

My personal experience in patients who underwent chelation is that, despite spending hundreds or thousands of dollars, plaque grew at the expected rate--no effect at all.

None of this constitutes proof of efficacy nor proof of lack of efficacy. We will need to await the NIH trial to have better information.

Should Hugh bet his life on chelation? I advised him strongly against it. At this point, the only reason I can see to pursue chelation would be faith--that is, expectation based not on fact, but on hope.

The powerful forces preserving the status quo


An interesting quote from the book, Critical Condition: How health care in American became big business--and bad medicine:


Politics and Profits

To protect its interests and expand its influence, the health care industrial complex has done what all successful special interests do: It's become a big donor and a high-powered lobby in Washington. In the last fifteen years, HMOs, insurers, pharmacuetical companies, hospital corporations, physicians, and other segments of the industry contributed $479 million to political campaigns--more than the energy industry ($315 million), commercial banks ($133 million), and big tobacco ($52 million). More telling is how much the health care industry spends on lobbying. It invests more than any other industry except one, according to the nonpartiisan Center for Responsive Politics. From 1997 to 2000, the most recent year for which complete data is available, the industry spent $734 million lobbying Congress and the executive branch. Only the finance, insurance, and real estate lobby exceeded that amount in the same period, with a ttoal of $823 million. In contrast, the defense industry spent $211 million--less than one-third of the health care expenditure.


These telling statistics indicate just how vigorously profit-seeking forces in heart care are trying to preserve the status quo. Hospitals want to protect their valuable procedure-driven enterprise, the pharmaceutical industry wants to protect its enormous though little-known niche of procedure-based medications (like $1200 a dose ReoPro), and the medical device industry wants to maintain the multi-billion dollar-generating machine aided and abetted by the FDA's 501k rule (that makes entry to market a breeze).

The current procedure based formula for heart disease profits so many and they are desperate to preserve it. Resistance to the deep-pocketed efforts of industry and hospitals will come from people like you and me, trying to propagate a better way.

Remember: hospital procedures for coronary disease represent the failure of prevention. They are not--any longer--successes in and of themselves.

Read a scathing insight into some of these practices by reading investigative journalists' Donald Barlett and James Steele's book, Critical Condition. I found their descriptions painfully accurate. (But don't get too angry! Remember: only optimists reverse their plaque! We need to turn the conversation in a positive direction, not just in this Blog or the Track Your Plaque website, but nationwide.)

One of the new missions for the www.cureality.com website is to help you understand just how powerful, insidious, shrewd, and pervasive the efforts to maintain the current system truly are.

Do stents prevent reversal?

I've seen this phenomenon several times now: A highly-motivated Track Your Plaque participant with a stent in one artery will do all the right things--lose weight, achieve 60:60:60 in basic lipids, identify and correct hidden lipoprotein disorders, take fish oil, correct vitamin D, etc.

Follow-up heart scan shows dramatic reduction in scoring in the two arteries without stents--30% per artery. But the artery with the stent will show marked increase in scoring above and/or below the stent. (It's impossible to tell what happens in or around the stent itself from a calcium scoring standpoint, since steel looks just like calcium on a CT heart scan.) In other words, there is marked plaque growth in the vicinity of the stent, despite the fact that dramatic reversal of atherosclerosis has occurred in other arteries without stents.

Should we take this to mean that a stent destroys the opportunity for atherosclerotic plaque reversal in the stented artery? I don't know, but I fear this may be true. What dangers does this different sort of plaque pose? Is it the result of the injury imposed at time of stent implantation, some modification of flow or biologic responses as a result of the presence of the stent?

These are all unanswered questions. But I believe that it is yet another suggestive piece of evidence that the best stent is no stent at all.

At what score should I have a heart cath?

This question comes up frequently: At what specific heart scan score should a heart catheterization be performed? In other words, is there a specific cut-off that automatically triggers a need for catheterization?

In my view, there is no such score. We can't say, for instance, that everybody with a score above 1000 should have a catheterization. It is true that the higher your score, the greater the likelihood of a plaque blocking flow. A score of 1000 carries an approximately 25-30% likelihood of reduced blood flow sufficient to consider a stent or bypass. This can nearly always be settled with a stress test. Recall that, despite their pitfalls for uncovering hidden heart disease in the first place, stress tests are useful as gauges of coronary blood flow.

But even a score of 1000 carries a 70-75% likelihood that a procedure will not be necesary. This is too high to justify doing heart catheterizations willy-nilly.

Unfortunately, some my colleagues will say that any heart scan score justifies a heart cath. I believe this is absolutely, unquestionably, and inexcusably wrong. More often than not, this attitude is borne out of ignorance, laziness, or a desire for profit.

Does every lump or bump justify surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy on the chance it could represent cancer? Of course not. There is indeed a time and place for these things, but judgment is involved.

In my view, no heart scan score should autmatically prompt a major heart procedure like heart catheterization in a person without symptoms.

Niacin makes NY Times

In the wake of the crash and burn of Pfizer's torcetrapib, media attention has turned up the miracles of . . .good old niacin. The NY Times carried a well-written report on niacin in its recent report, An Old Cholesterol Remedy Is New Again.


(Read the entire report at http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/23/health/23consume.html?em&ex=1169701200&en=670fa84ae2ea648c&ei=5087%0A)

Among their comments:

...torcetrapib worked primarily by increasing HDL, or good cholesterol. Among other functions, HDL carries dangerous forms of cholesterol from artery walls to the liver for excretion. The process, called reverse cholesterol transport, is thought to be crucial to preventing clogged arteries.

Many scientists still believe that a statin combined with a drug that raises HDL would mark a significant advance in the treatment of heart disease. But for patients now at high risk of heart attack or stroke, the news is better than it sounds. An effective HDL booster already exists.

It is niacin, the ordinary B vitamin.

In its therapeutic form, nicotinic acid, niacin can increase HDL as much as 35 percent when taken in high doses, usually about 2,000 milligrams per day. It also lowers LDL, though not as sharply as statins do, and it has been shown to reduce serum levels of artery-clogging triglycerides as much as 50 percent. Its principal side effect is an irritating flush caused by the vitamin’s dilation of blood vessels.

Despite its effectiveness, niacin has been the ugly duckling of heart medications, an old remedy that few scientists cared to examine. But that seems likely to change.

“There’s a great unfilled need for something that raises HDL,” said Dr. Steven E. Nissen, a cardiologist at the Cleveland Clinic and president of the American College of Cardiology. “Right now, in the wake of the failure of torcetrapib, niacin is really it. Nothing else available is that effective.”

In 1975, long before statins, a landmark study of 8,341 men who had suffered heart attacks found that niacin was the only treatment among five tested that prevented second heart attacks. Compared with men on placebos, those on niacin had a 26 percent reduction in heart attacks and a 27 percent reduction in strokes. Fifteen years later, the mortality rate among the men on niacin was 11 percent lower than among those who had received placebos.

'Here you have a drug that was about as effective as the early statins, and it just never caught on,' said Dr. B. Greg Brown, professor of medicine at the University of Washington in Seattle. 'It’s a mystery to me. But if you’re a drug company, I guess you can’t make money on a vitamin.'



Of course, you and I don't have to wait for the media to endorse something. I'm nonetheless thrilled that this hugely helpful vitamin is gaining greater recognition. My preferred form nowadays is over-the-counter SloNiacin (Upsher Smith). Weve seen no liver side-effects and a minimal quantity of flushing. It's also reasonably priced, $13.99 for 100 tablets of 500 mg at Walgreen's. That's a lot cheaper than prescription Niaspan at $130 for 60 tablets.

Perhaps the notoriety will cut back on the silly responses from some physicians that I still hear about from patients: "My doctor said to stop the niacin because it's going to destroy my liver."

Wheat: the nicotine of food

Yes, we know that wheat contributes to creating small LDL, drops HDL, raises triglycerides, and VLDL. We also know it indirectly slows the clearance of after-eating fats from the blood (curious, I know). Wheat products also increase inflammation (C-reactive protein), raise blood sugar, and contribute tremendously to diabetes.

What many people don't know is that wheat products also have an addictive quality: have one donut and you want another. It's true for bread, breakfast cereals, pretzels, cookies, etc. How many times have you had just one Oreo cookie?

Curiously, elimination of wheat products, unlike elimination of nicotine, usually causes the cravings to disappear. In other words, if you stop smoking cigarettes, the desire to smoke doesn't go away. With wheat products, the often overwhelming desire for more wheat products often just goes away.

But most people are simply unable to dramatically reduce or eliminate wheat products from their daily diet and therefore struggle each and every day with excessive cravings for bagels, donuts, cookies, breads, etc.

Try this useful experiment: Eliminate wheat products for a month and see what happens. Most people drop blood pressure, lose the tummy excess, feel more alert, see a drop in blood sugar, experience improvements in lipoproteins, and regain control over appetite.

Good time for a heart attack?

Man Has Heart Attack At Right Place, Right Time

If Robert Ricard had picked the wrong restaurant for lunch, he might have died.

The 71-year-old Michigan man suffered a heart attack shortly after ordering a glass of wine with friends at Bentley's Roadhouse on Saturday.

Luckily, a disaster medical team was sitting nearby.



A TV station in Michigan reported the above story. You've heard these "if it wasn't for ___, so and so would have died" stories. They're reported in all cities at one time or another.

What amazes me about these common local stories is that they're accepted at all. The question that comes to my mind is "Why couldn't the heart attack have been averted in the first place?" Early identification then, as close as humanly possible, elimination of risk would have been a preferable path.

Of course, it may not be the role of the media to cast judgement on why and how the entire episode could have been completely prevented from occurring. But you shouldn't fall into the same trap of complacency. We cannot expect others to save us when the "big one" hits. Your best assurance is to never have one in the first place.

How good is the South Beach Diet?

I'm a fan of the South Beach Diet.

Though it is billed as a program for weight loss (for which it is very effective), it is really a program for health. The basic approach of South Beach involves:

Eat good fats — Choose good fats from olive oil, canola oil, peanut oil, flaxseed oil, walnut oil, avocados, nuts, and fish. Omega-3 (fish oil) supplements are also fine.


Eat good carbs — Good carbs include high-fiber, nutrient-dense fruits, vegetables, legumes, and whole grains.

Eat lean protein — Good sources include eggs, low-fat dairy, nuts, seeds, legumes, skinless white-meat poultry, fish, shellfish, lean cuts of meat, and vegetarian options such as tofu.

(From The South Beach Diet, Dr. Arthur Agatston)


There's no doubt that South Beach can yield dramatic weight loss. In my experience, the success in weight loss depends on 1) how unhealthy your diet was in the first place, and 2) how long you can stick to Phase I, the inital phase during which weight loss is most dramatic. Some people have to periodically cycle back to Phase I to break a "plateau" or to lose faster.

But South Beach is also healthy. It has all the ingredients of a healthy eating program: Low saturated and hydrogenated fats, rich in monounsaturated fats, high fiber, low- to moderate- glycemic index, vegetables and fruits, lean proteins.

The Atkins' diet, in contrast, while very effective for weiglht loss, is an unhealthy process. I've seen lots of bladder infections, constipation, skin rashes, and kidney stones. That's just in the short term. If you stick to the "induction phase" (the no carbohydrate, low fiber, indiscriminate fat initial phase) for an extended period, I suspect that other adverse internal phenemena also develop that might not show for years, like cancer. But--it does work for weight loss!

South Beach's Phase I is also carbohydrate restricted, but steers you towards healthier foods, such as healthy oils from olive and canola, raw or dry roasted nuts, and lean proteins and vegetables.

What really makes South Beach special, however, are its clever recipes. Dr. Arthur Agatston (the author) involved chefs from the restaurants in the South Beach area of Miami to help create healthy yet delicious recipes. We've tried many of them and, while they are different from traditional fare, are delicious and satisfying for the most part.

Criticisms? None, really. But, when my patients choose South Beach (which I often encourage), I often have to impress on them that the Track Your Plaque program is not about weight loss. It is about seizing control of a potentially life-threatening disease. It is a far more important goal with greater implications. Weight loss is just one aspect of a coronary plaque control effort. For this reason, we sometimes have to make changes in the South Beach program to allow for correction of specific lipoprotein patterns.

The most common modification is in people with small LDL particles. This pattern often does indeed respond to weight loss and/or niacin. However, it occasionally persists despite these efforts. We then will ask the patient to continue to restrict the re-introduction of wheat products, though it is allowed after Phase I in South Beach. In other words, for this specific and sometimes difficult to control lipoprotein pattern, a spedific modification of the off-the-shelf South Beach program is sometimes necessary. Of course, the diet is created to suit everybody. Lipoprotein analysis permits detailed insight into your patterns and it's only to be expected that specific modifications might be needed.

But, as written, you can do quite well in your plaque control program by sticking to South Beach.
Normal fasting glucose with high HbA1c

Normal fasting glucose with high HbA1c

Jonathan's fasting glucose: 85 mg/dl
His HbA1c: 6.7%

Jonathan's high HbA1c reflects blood glucose fluctuations over the preceding 60-90 days and can be used to calculate an estimated average glucose (eAG) with the following equation:

eAG = 28.7 X A1c – 46.7

(For glucose in mmol/L, the equation is eAG = 1.59 × A1C - 2.59)

Jonathan's HbA1c therefore equates to an eAG of 145.59 mg/dl--yet his fasting glucose value is 85 mg/dl. 

This is a common situation: Normal fasting glucose, high HbA1c. It comes from high postprandial glucose values, high values after meals. 

It suggests that, despite having normal glucose while fasting, Jonathan experiences high postprandial glucose values after many or most of his meals. After a breakfast of oatmeal, for instance, he likely has a blood glucose of 150 mg/dl or greater. After breakfast cereal, blood glucose likely exceeds 180 mg/dl. With two slices of whole wheat bread, glucose likewise likely runs 150-180 mg/dl. 

The best measure of all is a postprandial glucose one hour after the completion of a meal, a measure you can easily obtain yourself with a home glucose meter. Second best: fasting glucose with HbA1c.

Gain control over this phenomenon and you 1) reduce fasting blood sugar, 2) reduce expression of small LDL particles, and 3) lose weight.  

Comments (24) -

  • Mark

    3/23/2010 5:56:04 PM |

    So what is the basic recommendation here?
    Eat meat, nuts, vegetables, no starch, no fruit? A ketogenic diet?

    It looks like the recommendation is to avoid blood sugar spikes primarily. I would think that insulin is less of a worry because insulin doesn't necessarily mean that sugar is in the system (dairy for example).

    Some clarification would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

  • Anonymous

    3/23/2010 6:44:31 PM |

    Dr. Davis, my husband has the opposite problem, can you (or anyone else) explain it?  His 1-hour postprandial glucose never exceeds 90 and yet he has an HBA1C of 5.9.  We have checked his glucose at different times and it never goes over 100.  He is on a very low carb diet.  

    His HBA1C indicates an average blood glucose of 123, but we never see readings this high.  Is there something else that can glycating hemoglobin and thus show an elevated HBA1C reading?

  • Anonymous

    3/23/2010 7:03:19 PM |

    What would be considered an optimal (or at least good) HbA1c level? And same for fasting glucose?

    I have noticed my fasting glucose tends to vary, between 80-95, with my HbA1c at 4.6.

    Curious also if there is any data on HbA1c correlating directly with triglyceride levels.

    My own trig values are higher than I like, around 125-150, yet I limit carbs, use fish oil, and think my HbA1c number is relatively decent.  So wondering if carbs/glucose isn't my problem, what else raises triglycerides?

  • Jake P.

    3/23/2010 10:30:18 PM |

    Dr Davis, do you have any recommendations on blood glucose test meters, as far as brand/model? Also, I'd prefer something that doesn't require a prescription, if possible.

  • Dr. William Davis

    3/24/2010 1:41:43 AM |

    Anon--

    The only two causes I am aware of are 1) iron deficiency anemia, and 2) hemoglobin variants.

    Also, are you confident of the accuracy of your blood glucose meter? You can check it by running side-by-side glucoses with a blood draw.

  • Dr. William Davis

    3/24/2010 1:42:31 AM |

    I've had good experiences with One Touch Ultramini, Aviva, Relion, and Accuchek meters. All are available without prescription.

  • Anonymous

    3/24/2010 5:26:17 AM |

    This is exactly why everybody should have a blood glucose meter, and know their numbers.

    While I have not been diagnosed as having type 2 diabetes, I was darned close.  My meter, and the information found here and in the blogs that link to and from it, have helped me to lose about 3 pounds per week for the past 6 months, and not be hungry or feel deprived.

    I was like Jonathan.  Until 6 months ago my fasting glucose was always under 100.  Now that I am managing to keep my average BG reading, including post prandial readings, under 95, I have stopped suffering from the inflammatory symptoms I've had for a decade.

    My meter and initial 100 test strips was the best under $50 purchase I've ever made.

    Thanks for the USEFUL information I get at The Heart Scan Blog.

  • Alfredo E.

    3/24/2010 2:52:07 PM |

    Hi All. I eat a low carbs diet and I have the a high fasting glucose, 95-105, but a low postprandial, 85-100.

    I also exercise everyday and do Intermittent Fasting.

    What could be the mechanism working here?

    Thanks for your ideas.

    Alfredo E.

  • Anonymous

    3/24/2010 3:20:00 PM |

    David Mendosa has a good blog/site/comments... on diabeties for many things A1C, food, low carb, etc. Check him out at www.mendosa.com
    Look under "health central" or

    http://www.healthcentral.com/diabetes/c/17/75106/david-guide-a1c-6-0

    For A1C guidance.

    He seems to lean away from strict AHA, ADA, and government things that do not work for him.

    His meter data is getting a little dated, and he does not specify exact things like he states vitamin D, as opposed to stating: D3. And he seems to be a little soft about major statements, possible law suit shy.

  • Anonymous

    3/24/2010 4:01:15 PM |

    I'm curious why you believe that gaining control over postprandial glucose will result in lower *fasting* glucose.  Is there a mechanism for this?  I've found that my fasting glucose hasn't fallen since I started the TYP diet 3 months ago; it's still in the mid to high 90s -- even though my one hour glucose is rarely much higher than that.

  • Anonymous

    3/24/2010 6:40:34 PM |

    Responding to Dr. Davis' comment:
    "The only two causes I am aware of are 1) iron deficiency anemia, and 2) hemoglobin variants.

    Also, are you confident of the accuracy of your blood glucose meter? You can check it by running side-by-side glucoses with a blood draw."

    I don't think he has iron deficiency anemia unless high ferritin level indicates that?  His ferritin level was 320 at the time he got the HBA1C of 5.9.  What are hemoglobin variants?

    We have the Accuchek meter and have also had fasting and post-prandial lab tests done and the meter seems to be in the ballpark.

    Thank you very much for your reply.

  • Anne

    3/24/2010 9:28:20 PM |

    My fasting was below 100. My A1C was 6.5. A OGTT spiked at 202. My doctors told me as long as my fasting BG was good, I did not have to worry as I only had insulin resistance not diabetes. That was 10 yrs ago.

    A year ago I bought a glucometer and started eliminating foods that spike my BG. My last A1C was 5.5.

    I wish I could get a hold of the results of my OGTT from 40 yrs ago. I was told it was slightly abnormal but I did not have diabetes. How much damage has been done from elevated postprandial blood sugars?

  • Anonymous

    3/25/2010 12:20:28 AM |

    Dr. Davis,

    Would you anticipate that a healthy 25 year old would obtains similarly high postprandial sugars to those meals?  Or do young, healthly, slim people have high glucose tolerance, and hence low postprandial responses to sugar?  I've seen many articles featuring sports stars who subsist on high carb, low fat diets, such as rafael nadal, roger federer, tiger woods... I find it hard to believe they exceed 120 mg/dl postprandially...

    David

  • mikyy748

    3/27/2010 5:31:11 AM |

    Please help with an explanation ! My last meal of the day (with NO carbs) is around 4PM. At 9-10PM, my glucose test shows about 100-105. But... in the morning the test shows 125-130. How is it possible?!

  • Anonymous

    4/10/2010 4:37:12 AM |

    Veeerrrrry interesting!

    I have been on an extremely resrricted carb diet for several months.  My One Touch (and my wife's, she's T1 on a pump) my glucose levels never vary from 100-120 with the vast majority right around 110-113. Tests are run about once a day at various times including 1-2 hours post prandial.

    At my PCP's office (she's also an endocrinologist) today, her office machine complained of an HbA1C of 20+ and wouldn't give a reading, while it did report my other lipid levels, most moderately elevated as usual.

    Tubes were drawn for processing by a lab.  Of course it's the weekend and I'm obsessing about it... sigh.
    I worry that my low carb lifestyle might be masking what would be high glucose readings which is not very logical, or if something is wrong with my blood such as anemia.  A quick google and here I am.

    I wonder if this is common for extremely low-carber diabetics?

    Am on low doses of Diovan, HCTZ and colchicine...

    Thanks to all for any thoughts.
    -Ron

  • Anonymous

    4/13/2010 2:26:58 PM |

    Thanks to all who commented ;)

    Lab work came back with an HbA1C of 5.9, so the office machine was just being stupid as hoped/mostly expected.

    Good luck to everyone else.

  • mongander

    4/27/2010 11:22:25 PM |

    This MedScape article doesn't make sense.  It claims that <6 may be too low...That >7 has a better all cause mortality.
    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/720391

  • William A. Ryan

    7/15/2010 1:32:59 PM |

    FYI, another possible cause of abnormally high HbA1c is Vitamin B12 and/or folate deficiency.  This causes anemia with low red blood cell turnover, so any given Hb molecule is floating around longer, and thus has a higher probability of glycation.

  • Helena

    9/29/2010 11:01:56 PM |

    So.. I just started testing my blood sugar again today... first reading was 90
    Then I had lunch. Rice and curry with coconut milk (probably loaded with sugar) and it went from 156 to 258 to 124 in 2.5 hours after that meal... I am a little concerned.

    Think I will go back on my low carb diet ASAP!

  • Helena

    9/30/2010 3:22:01 PM |

    Let me correct my numbers... I didn't have them in front of me when I wrote the previous post so here they are:

    Lunch was Rice, shrimp, coconut milk based curry pot

    Blood levels:
    60 min after - 193
    90 min after - 217
    130 min after - 258
    2.5 hrs after - 140

    This morning I had a reading of 89 and after having my protein shake with cream and water it was 106...

    Def going to go back to my low carb diet asap!
    Thanks for a great blog full of valuable information and help to get back on track.

  • Anonymous

    10/15/2010 2:05:41 PM |

    This is a recent day of testing. 90 minutes after eating 50 grams of processed brown flax, my BG was about 117, but it also depends on what I eat the night before. 2 hrs after eating 8 oz hummus with tahini, my BG was 101. 1 hr after eating a 143 gram (quick rolled) oat cake with 95 grams chocolate syrup with a lot of sugar and water, my BG was 120. Next day fasting BG was 120. Carbs do a good job of BG stabilization, although I'm trying to decrease some carbs and lower my fasting BG. I will try soymilk, and less carbs.

  • H Saleem

    11/22/2010 9:04:14 PM |

    Hi, Let me add my 2Cs. The objectives for diabetics and pre-diabetics are poles apart and confusing the two can  lead to irreparable loss for the pre-diabetics and those with insulin resistance.  

    For diabetics, when the disease is well established, the focus is on minimizing the harm i.e. to minimize the blood sugar level. Elevated blood sugar does so much harm in the long run that it should be kept under control through any means possible: diet, exercise, medicine, weight loss etc. When one plan and/or drug regimen fails to control the blood glucose level, it is replaced by another, all the time focusing on maintaining optimum blood glucose levels resulting in normal (for diabetics) readings on fasting glucose, HbA1C etc. I am not fully aware but possibly there is no mainstream healthcare regimen or drug that focuses on  reversing the disease or trying to minimize diabetes damages (other than those caused by high blood glucose) like destruction of pancreatic cells.

    For pre-diabetics and those with insulin resistance, the focus should NOT be on lowering blood glucose level DIRECTLY. For pre-diabetes, it is possible to keep on "travelling" towards diabetes in reality but assuming otherwise just because some "local" interference does not let the blood sugar rise. So if you start taking any alpha-glucidase, your postprandial reading will not rise much. But this does not mean that you have controlled pre-diabetes. The causes are all there like being over-weight, lack of exercise bla bla. And your body's normal ability to regulate blood sugar keeps on deteriorating ultimately leading to a point when the alpha-glucidase alone will not be sufficient. So when pre-diabetes is treated like diabetes, it can lead to actual diabetes. This is because here the focus should not be on lowering blood glucose levels or "treating" the condition but REVERSING it. In other words the goal should be to transform the body back to the point where it can naturally process the foods while keeping the blood glucose levels and HbA1C levels in normal range. All this without the help of any drugs or special diet or aids. And for this the usual solutions are already well known: weight-loss, exercise etc.

    The moral of the story is that if you are pre-diabetic, you can keep yourself happy by eating almonds, vinegar or psyllium with meals to "show" you that your post-prandial glucose levels are in range. This can be done by eating a low-carn diet or taking diabetes drugs. But if keep the same weight, continue the same eating habbits, and do no exercise then you are possibly doing nothing to prevent a preventable disease.

  • H Saleem

    11/22/2010 9:04:58 PM |

    Hi, Let me add my 2Cs. The objectives for diabetics and pre-diabetics are poles apart and confusing the two can  lead to irreparable loss for the pre-diabetics and those with insulin resistance.  

    For diabetics, when the disease is well established, the focus is on minimizing the harm i.e. to minimize the blood sugar level. Elevated blood sugar does so much harm in the long run that it should be kept under control through any means possible: diet, exercise, medicine, weight loss etc. When one plan and/or drug regimen fails to control the blood glucose level, it is replaced by another, all the time focusing on maintaining optimum blood glucose levels resulting in normal (for diabetics) readings on fasting glucose, HbA1C etc. I am not fully aware but possibly there is no mainstream healthcare regimen or drug that focuses on  reversing the disease or trying to minimize diabetes damages (other than those caused by high blood glucose) like destruction of pancreatic cells.

    For pre-diabetics and those with insulin resistance, the focus should NOT be on lowering blood glucose level DIRECTLY. For pre-diabetes, it is possible to keep on "travelling" towards diabetes in reality but assuming otherwise just because some "local" interference does not let the blood sugar rise. So if you start taking any alpha-glucidase, your postprandial reading will not rise much. But this does not mean that you have controlled pre-diabetes. The causes are all there like being over-weight, lack of exercise bla bla. And your body's normal ability to regulate blood sugar keeps on deteriorating ultimately leading to a point when the alpha-glucidase alone will not be sufficient. So when pre-diabetes is treated like diabetes, it can lead to actual diabetes. This is because here the focus should not be on lowering blood glucose levels or "treating" the condition but REVERSING it. In other words the goal should be to transform the body back to the point where it can naturally process the foods while keeping the blood glucose levels and HbA1C levels in normal range. All this without the help of any drugs or special diet or aids. And for this the usual solutions are already well known: weight-loss, exercise etc.

    The moral of the story is that if you are pre-diabetic, you can keep yourself happy by eating almonds, vinegar or psyllium with meals to "show" you that your post-prandial glucose levels are in range. This can be done by eating a low-carn diet or taking diabetes drugs. But if keep the same weight, continue the same eating habbits, and do no exercise then you are possibly doing nothing to prevent a preventable disease.

  • KDL

    12/12/2010 9:50:40 PM |

    I have a 16 year old daughter who HBA1c is 11.7 (yes very high).  I have been working with her especialist to bring it down.  The problem is her daily readings are normal for a type 1 diabetic. I know the monitors can be cheated however I am pretty confident that most of the time she does the right thing.  I also know that sometimes she does not.  However I am wondering if there are any other things that can cause this annomoly?

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