Homocysteine and coronary plaque

If you’ve watched the news over the past year, you know that doubt has been cast over the idea that reducing homocysteine blood levels with high doses of B vitamins (B6, B12, and folic acid, or B9) results in reduced risk for heart attack.

Is the homocysteine concept dead? Shall we empty our bottles of costly B vitamins into the trash and move on?

I don’t think so. As detailed in one of our Track Your Plaque Special Reports from a few months ago, I think the homocysteine issue still deserves lots of respect and further investigation. After all, hundreds of clinical studies have connected higher homocysteine levels with greater risk for heart disease, stroke, and aneurysm. Numerous studies, for example, have repeatedly and consistently demonstrated a tripling of heart attack risk when homocysteine levels exceed 14 ?mol/l. Can we dismiss this association because several more recent studies—NORVIT, HOPE, and VISP—suggested that, when starting homocysteine levels are 12.5, that B vitamin supplementation does not reduce heart attack risk?

I think there’s lots more to know about the homocysteine connection. That said, I have never seen a patient who I thought had heart disease strictly because homocysteine was increased.

I believe that we can at least use homocysteine as an index of lifestyle: the higher the homocysteine, the poorer the diet, or the less effective the absorption of B vitamins (especially vitamins B12 and folic acid). Homocysteine levels of <9 micromol/l suggest both adequate intake and absorption of these B vitamins.

If homocysteine is tightly connected with risk for heart disease, yet supplementation of B vitamins fails to reduce risk, might there be another means of connection? Or, could both homocysteine and heart disease be connected in some way that has nothing to do with B vitamins?

Don’t close the book on homocysteine. Just because conventional experience fails to draw connection does not necessarily mean that none exists. If it’s any consolation, taking B vitamins has been correlated with better memory, concentration, and other health benefits, even if no reduction in heart disease develops.

Big heart scan scores drop

High heart scan scores of, say, greater than 1000 are more difficult to reduce than lower scores.

I learned this lesson early in the experience of trying to drop scores. In the first few years of trying to drop scores, I saw relatively modest scores of 20, 50, or 100 drop readily, even when the usual targets were not fully achieved, and even before the incorporation of some of the more exciting recent additions to the Track Your Plaque program, like vitamin D.

But big scores of 1000, 2000, or 3000 are a tougher nut to crack. In the first few years, what I usually saw was a slowing , or "deceleration," of growth from the expected rate of annual score increase of 30% that would continue for a year or two, followed by zero change. In the first year of effort, for example, a score increase of 18% was common. 10% was common in year two, then finally zero change in year three. Somehow, the more plaque you begin with, the more "momentum" in growth is present and the longer it takes to stop it. Kind of like stopping a compact car versus stopping a freight train.

But more recently, I'm seeing faster drops. Today, Charlie came to the office to discuss his second heart scan. 18 months earlier, Charlie's first scan showed a score of 3,112, high by anybody's standard.

His repeat score: 3,048. While the drop is relatively small on a percentage basis and may even fall within the expected rate of error for heart scans (which tends to be <2% at this high a score), I told Charlie that it still represented a huge success. Not only did he not increase his score by the expected 30% per year, he also brought a charging locomotive to a rapid stop.

Next year, Charlie is targeting a big drop. Given the tools he now has available, I'm optimistic that he will succeed.

Watch for the Track Your Plaque May, 2007 Newsletter in which we will detail Charlie's story further.

Does the American Heart Association diet reduce heart disease?

If you have a heart attack and land in the hospital where, invariably, you will have a heart procedure. Or, if you get a stent or coronary bypass operation, sometime before your discharge from the hospital, a well-meaning hospital staff dietitian will provide instruction in the American Heart Association (AHA) diet.

Does this diet reduce the risk of heart disease?

The answer depends on where you start. If you begin with a conventional American diet that is enormously influenced by convenience, food manufacturers like Nabisco, General Mills, Quaker Oats, ADM, and Cargill, or food distributors like McDonald’s, Pizza Hut, and Taco Bell, then the American Heart Association diet is indeed an improvement. But just a small one. If LDL cholesterol is the yardstick, the average reduction in LDL is between 10 and 15 mg/dl. This is the same amount of change you’d experience by adding 1 tablespoon of oat bran to your diet. Hardly worth boasting about. HDL, triglycerides, blood glucose, and body weight do not change.

The diet could be substantially better. After all, it’s become common knowledge that other diets, such as the so-called Mediterranean diet, the South Beach Diet, and similar broad projects result in far greater changes than the AHA diet dispensed by your hospital and cardiologist. These diets more effectively reduce LDL, raise HDL, reduce triglycerides, reduce C-reactive protein, reduce blood pressure. Diets like South Beach also yield substantial weight loss and reversal of diabetic tendencies, with the magnitude of benefit dependent on the amount of weight lost.

Why this stubborn adherence to the outdated concepts articulated in the AHA diet? Cardiologists would argue that insufficient data has been generated to permit widespread application of these diets. They also differ on whether they really work. Of course, the majority remain ignorant and dismiss them as fad diets.

A little digging into the financial disclosures of the AHA suggests another, more malignant influence: who is paying the bills? Until recently, drug manufacturers were major contributors to the AHA. However, more recently AHA administrators have become sensitive to the public perception that they might be nothing more than a voice box for the drug industry. They have since limited contributions from the drug companies to 8% of annual charitable revenues.

The drug manufacturers have been replaced by the food industry. In addition to food manufacturers that make the cereals on your grocery shelf, it includes the multi-national conglomerates that produce unimaginable revenues and carry enormous political clout, like ADM and Cargill. Ever wonder how it is that Honey Nut Cheerios received a “Heart Healthy” endorsement from the AHA?

The AHA diet does not provide the answers we’re looking for, not even close. It is a perversion from an organization that has its strings pulled by industry. The answers to health will not come from the AHA, AMA, the American College of Cardiology, the American Hospital Association, and it won’t come from your doctor. It won’t come from a titillating report on the evening news or Good Morning America. It will come from collective and expanding wisdom placed directly into the hands of the public. It will be untainted by the temptation of drug industry dollars. It will not be dirtied by million dollar contributions, or the multi-million dollar behind-closed-doors lobbying of the food manufacturers. It will come from the truth relayed to the healthcare-consuming public. I hope you recognize it when you see it.

If you want a healthy diet for your heart, throw away the pamphlets from the AHA unless you are partial to bread, breakfast cereals, corn, and the supporters of their misguided nutritional advice.

Vitamin K2 and coronary plaque

The vitamin K2 story, though still preliminary, is becoming increasingly interesting from the perspective of CT heart score reduction.

The origin of this concept came from some unexpected observations. One, the observation that osteoporosis (lack of bone calcium that leads to fractures) arises from deficiency of vitamin K2. Two, deficiency of K2 leads to unrestrained calcium deposition in animal models, leading to heart attack in just weeks.

Vitamin K2 has been largely ignored for years, since the more widely understood K1 is rarely deficient. K1 deficiency can occur from prolonged antibiotic use, or from severe malnutrition. But deficiency in otherwise well people is very uncommon. Vitamin K2, however, may be a different story. Deficiency may be common.

The Rotterdam Heart Study of cheese-eating Dutch showed that greater K2 intakes resulted in a halving of heart attacks. Cheese (traditional varieties, not Velveeta or other make-believe cheese products) is a modest source of K2, as is the Japanese native food, natto. (If you've ever seen natto, I dare you to eat it. I have a pretty strong stomach and curiousity for food, but natto is the one thing I could not eat--it is truly horrible.)

The weight of evidence suggests that vitamin K2 supplementation may prove to be a useful addition to your coronary plaque control program. Clearly, more data are needed, particulary therapeutic obserations, i.e., observing people who take dose X of a K2 prepartion and tracking some feedback measure, e.g., bone density, CT heart scan score, "events" like heart attack, etc.

Nonetheless, the K2 story is clearly worth reading about, perhaps even considering supplementation. Please watch for the Special Report on the www.cureality.com website in the coming days.

Exercise and blood pressure

The media has gotten a hold of a case report from the University of Maryland describing a 51-year old physician who, despite being a long distance runner, had a high heart scan score.

An example of the report can be found at

Heart Disease In A Marathon Runner: Is Too Much Exercise A Bad Thing?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070315091100.htm in Science Daily.



"The mystery was all the more intriguing because his resting blood pressure and fasting cholesterol levels, the usual measures of cardiovascular health, were in the normal range."


When this man was put on a treadmill for a stress test, his blood pressure skyrocketed from a normal 118/78 to 230/78--extremely high, even for exercise. The physicians reporting the case raised the question of whether long-distance running represents a risk for heart disease and if the high blood pressure with exercise is a contributor or cause of the high heart scan score.

These are phenomena we are very familiar with. We have stressed the importance of exercise blood pressure as a trigger for coronary plaque for years. While 230/78 is clearly too high, we find that any blood pressure over 170/80 with exercise adds to the fire and can trigger plaque growth.

However, I think it is absurd to suggest that marathon running itself is a trigger of coronary plaque. I think it is far more likely that the person described in the report had lipoprotein(a), a potent trigger for both exercise-induced hypertension and high CT heart scan scores in seemingly well people. He likely also suffered from a deficiency of vitamin D deficiency, another contributor. There's no need to indict exercise.

If you are in the Track Your Plaque program, you know that stress tests are of questionable helpfulness for the detection of hidden heart disease. But they are useful for assessment of blood pressure responses during exercise. If BP exceeds 170/80 at 10 mets (a measure of exercise effort achieved by walking 3.4 mph at a 14% grade for 3 minutes), then blood pressure may be a contributor to your heart scan score.

"Fish oil is stupid"

"Fish oil is a waste of time and money. It's stupid. Just stop it."

So a patient of mine was advised by another physician when he complained that he occasionally experienced a fishy aftertaste.

This attitude perplexes me. After all the confirmatory data that support the enormous health benefits of omega-3 fatty acid supplementation, including the 11,000 participant GISSI-Prevenzione Trial, you'd think this attitude would be history. What's a little fish aftertaste when heart attack risk is slashed 28%?

Perhaps the tendency to pooh-pooh fish oil is because it's available as a nutritional supplement. This shouldn't make fish oil appear inconsequential. Far from it.

If you witness the extraordinary power for fish oil to reduce triglycerides, you will be immediately convinced of its effectiveness. The ability of omega-3 fatty acids from fish to eliminate intermediate-density lipoprotein (IDL), the persistent abnormal lipoprotein which signals an inability to clear dietary fats from the blood, can also convince you. More than 90% of people with excessive IDL have it completely eliminated by 4000-6000 mg of fish oil (providing 1200-1800 mg EPA + DHA) per day.

The fact that fish oil is available as a prescription "medication," as well as an over-the-counter supplement, causes some physicians to dismiss the power of the supplemental form. This is nonsense. The over-the-counter form is every bit as effective as the prescription form.

The makers of prescription Omacor also make the claim that their preparation is safer and purer. That may be true, but I'd like to see independent verification from the FDA, USDA, or an unbiased organization like Consumer Reports before I accept their marketing as fact--particularly at $120 to $240 per month! If Omacor proves to contain substantially less mercury and pesticide residues, then that will need to be factored in. (Please note that both Consumer Reports and Consumer Labs measured no substantial mercury or pesticide residues in their analyses of 16 and 41 brands, respectively.)

I try to persuade my colleagues that the idea of taking supplements is a wonderful trend that allows people to express ownership of their own health. What people need is guidance, not salesmanship for a more expensive version, nor dismissal of nutritional preparations that actually possess considerable benefits.

More Vitamin D and HDL

I’m seeing more and more of it and I am convinced that there is a relationship: significant boosts in HDL cholesterol from vitamin D supplementation.

To my knowledge this remains an undescribed and uncharacterized phenomenon. There have been several observers over the last two decades who have noticed that total cholesterol shows a seasonal fluctuation: cholesterol goes up in fall and winter, down in spring and summer; year in, year out. This phenomenon was unexplained but makes perfect sense if you factor in vitamin D fluctuations from sun exposure.

I have come across no other substantiating evidence about fluctuations of HDL. But I am convinced that I am seeing it. Replace vitamin D to a blood level of 50 ng/ml, and HDL goes up if it is low to begin with. If HDL is high to begin with, say, 63 mg/dl, it doesn’t seem to change.

But, say, starting HDL is 36 mg/dl. You take niacin, 1000 mg; reduce high-glycemic index foods like breakfast cereals, breads, cookies, bagels, and other processed carbohydrate foods; exercise four days a week; add a glass of red wine a day; even add 2 oz of dark chocolate. You shed 15 lbs towards your ideal weight. After 6 months, HDL: 46 mg/dl. Better but hardly great.

Add vitamin D at a dose of, say, 4000-6000 units per day (oil-based gelcap, of course!), and re-check HDL two or three months later: 65 mg/dl.

I’ve seen it happen over and over. It doens't occur in everybody but occurs with such frequency that it’s hard to ignore or attribute to something else. What I’m not clear about is whether this effect only occurs in the presence of the other strategies we use to raise HDL, a “facilitating” effect, or whether this is an independent benefit of HDL that would occur regardless of whatever else you do. Time will help clarify.

We are tracking our experience to see if it holds up, how, and to what degree on a more formal basis. Until then, a rising HDL is yet another reason—-among many!-—to be absolutely certain your 25-OH-vitamin D3 level is at 50 ng/ml or greater.

How high is an ideal vitamin D blood level? If 50 ng is good, is 60 or 70 ng even better? Probably not, but there are no data. We have to wait and see. Unlike a drug that enjoys plentiful “dose-response” data, there are no such observations for vitamin D into this higher, though still “physiologic,” range.

Thin ice

How long can an industry built on ignorance and deception continue its practices in the new Information Age?

I don’t think it can for long. I talk to hospital administrators who believe that their source of competition is the hospital across town, battling for the same patients. I speak to my colleagues, the cardiologists, who believe that the current model is sustainable—take every willing body to the catheterization laboratory or operating room for heart procedures, the revenue-generating engine of income and expanding heart programs.

I speak to primary care physicians, who are dumbfounded and perplexed and have no idea which way things are going. They are trapped in a peculiar position: most have signed contracts and are employees of the hospital. They are legally bound to support the cardiologists who take anybody possible to the catheterization laboratory or direct patients to other profit-making procedures.

Much of this system depends on the willingness of the participant, meaning you and the health care seeking public. What happens when the truth comes out and disseminates widely through the thinking populace? What happens to hospitals and physicians and the vast structures they’ve built when the bottom drops out for 50% of their “market?

The proverbial cow manure will hit the fan. Upheavals in the medical industry will rival the changes that the automobile or telephone brought early in the last century. Cardiologists, immense hospital heart programs, and the vast economic infrastructure they spawned will go the way of stage coach manufacturers and the telegraph.

What form will the broad exposure of detailed information in health take? I’m not sure, but it will certainly come. The collaborative efforts that created the Linux operating system and have challenged the monopoly of Microsoft Windows, or the emergence of the extraordinary Wikipedia as a repository of human knowledge that dwarfs the venerated Encylopedia Brittanica, will eventually overtake the American medical system, the heart disease industry in particular.

If you base your future on the welfare of your local hospital or the manufacturers of stents, operating room equipment for heart bypass, or similar industries, watch out. The ice is thin. And as the spring warms the air around you, it gets thinner.

The Track Your Plaque program is our first step in broadcasting the message of self-empowerment in heart health care and an attempt to wrestle control away from the profit-seeking forces that dominate. As we grow, we not only hope to broadcast the message more widely, but expand the message to other areas of health. I predict that the collaborative, let’s-all-pitch-in-and-help spirit of the Information Age, “version 2.0,” will spark the change.

Vitamin D and cancer

Although this is a Blog about heart scans and heart disease, I came across a helpful video from Dr. Joseph Mercola about vitamin D and cancer that's worth viewing. Though I do not agree with many of Dr. Mercola's on-the-edge views, he does come up with some good thoughts and, in this instance, a useful educational tool about vitamin D.

You can view his video (which he claims crashed his server, due to the excessive demand for downloads) by cutting and pasting the address into your URL bar (above):

http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/How-to-Reduce-Your-Risk-of-Cancer-By-50--8790.aspx

Also, for my many patients who I've directed to look in my Blog for Dr. Reinhold Vieth's webcast presentation on vitamin D, here's the address:

http://tinyurl.com/f93vl

Perhaps I carry on too much about vitamin D. But I've come to respect this "nutrient" as among the most powerful strategies I've seen for dramatically improving control over coronary plaque growth as well as other aspects of health, as Drs. Mercola and Vieth eloquently detail.

Lipoprotein(a), menopause, and andropause

Lipoprotein(a) is a curious lipoprotein. Not only is it a genetic pattern with numerous variations, it is also one that shows a predictable age-dependent rise.

Women in particular are prone to this effect, men to a lesser degree. As we age, many hormones recede, particularly growth hormone, testosterone, the estrogens (estradiol, estriol, estrone), progesterone, and DHEA, among others. This is not a disease but the process of senescence, or aging.

When we're young, estrogens, testosterone, and DHEA all exert suppressive effects to keep lipoprotein(a), Lp(a), at bay. But as a woman proceeds through her pre-menopausal and menopausal years, and as a male passes through his fourth decade, there is an accelerated decline of these hormones. As a result, Lp(a) crawls out of its cave and starts to sniff around.

Typically, a woman might have a Lp(a) of 75 nmol/l (approximately 30 mg/dl) at age 38. Ten years later, at age 48, her Lp(a) might be 125 nmol/l (app. 50 mg/dl), all due to the decline of estrogens and DHEA. A parallel situation develops in males due to the drop in testosterone. For this reason, it may be necessary to re-check Lp(a) once after the fourth decade of life if you've had a level checked in your younger years.

This opens up some interesting therapeutic possibilities. If receding hormones are responsible for unleashing Lp(a), hormones can be replenished to reduce it. In males, this is relatively straightforward: supplement human testosterone and Lp(a) drops about 25%.

In women, however, it's a bit murkier, thanks to the negative experince reported using horse estrogens (AKA Premarin) in the HERS Trial and Women's Health Initiative. You'll recall that women who take horse estrogens and progestins (synthetic progesterone) do not experience less heart attack and develop a slightly increased risk of endometrial and breast cancer. There was, however, a poorly-publicized sub-study that showed that women with Lp(a) experience up to 50% fewer heart attacks on the horse/synthetic combination.

Wouldn't it be nice to have a large trial examining the safety/advisability of human estrogens and progesterone? To my knowledge, no such confident study in a significant number of women exists, since there's so little money to be made with human hormonal preparations.

For these reasons, we use lots of DHEA, generally at doses of 25 to 50 mg per day. It makes most people feel good, boosts energy modestly, increases muscle, and reduces Lp(a) up to 18% in women, a lesser quantity in men.
This is your brain on wheat II

This is your brain on wheat II

In the original Heart Scan Blog post, This is your brain on wheat, I discussed how opioid peptides (i.e., small proteins that act like opiates such as heroine or morphine) that result from digestion of wheat cause unique effects on the human brain, particularly addictive behaviors. I also briefly reviewed how elimination of wheat has been shown to reduce auditory hallucinations and other psychotic behaviors in a subset of people with paranoid schizophrenia.

These two phenomena, addictions and schizophrenia, are most likely the result of exorphins that cross the blood-brain barrier. Exorphins--exogenous morphine-like compounds--can be blocked by opiate-blocking drugs like naloxone and naltrexone. Naloxone is used in hospitals to reverse morphine or heroine overdoses; naltrexone is being repackaged into a weight loss drug, since blocking wheat-derived exorphins reduces appetite. (Yes: The USDA tells us to eat more wheat, the drug industry sells us the antidote.)

There's another way that wheat can affect the brain and nervous system: immune-activated damage.

This is similar to the effect seen in celiac. There's even overlap with some of the antibody markers used to diagnose celiac, like the anti-gliadin antibodies and the anti-endomysium antibodies.

The most common immune neurological syndrome consequent to wheat consumption is cerebellar ataxia, a condition in which an immune response causes damage to the Purkinje cells of the cerebellum, the portion of the brain responsible for balance and coordination. This results in stumbling, incoordination, incontinence, and eventually leads to reliance on a cane or walker and wearing a diaper. Average age of onset: 53 years. A shrunken, atrophied cerebellum can be seen on an MRI of the brain.

Problem: Most people with central nervous system damage caused by wheat do not have any intestinal symptoms, like diarrhea and abdominal pain, the sort of symptoms usually associated with celiac disease. It means the first sign of wheat-induced brain damage may be bumping into walls and wetting your pants.

Comments (24) -

  • LeonRover

    7/28/2010 9:18:57 PM |

    Being Irish an' all, my jeans will only allow me to thrive on a few spuds served with lashin's of butter an' onions and o' course sides of bacon and eggs washed down with Whiskey Go Leor, sometimes called The Juice o' the Barley.

    Minimal wheat.

  • Thrasymachus

    7/28/2010 10:35:34 PM |

    It only makes sense that there are vast numbers of people actually addicted to food, not metaphorically, but in the same way people are addicted to drugs and nicotine. A good start would be stop subsidizing this addiction, but since we have a government of the grain farmers, by the grain farmers, and for the grain farmers, that's not likely.

  • Anonymous

    7/29/2010 4:26:28 AM |

    Is wheat induced brain damage reversible, if one goes off wheat say at 50.?

  • Anonymous

    7/29/2010 5:34:31 AM |

    I would bet good money that this post will get more people off wheat than all your posts about wheat and heart disease combined!

  • Hans Keer

    7/29/2010 6:35:47 AM |

    You are totally right the devastating effects of wheat and its palls goes from gut to brain http://bit.ly/cAbZry VBR

  • Anonymous

    7/29/2010 10:22:18 AM |

    Dr. Davis

    As usual you are SPOT ON. exactly right with the symptoms and age. Just amazing all clinical symptoms described were seen by me in my father from 53 (stumbling and falling) to 58 (requiring help walking) to 60 (epilepsy hallucinations and fears)to 61 (bedridden) to 64 (last year November) death.

    Come to think, it was so simple to save him. It is just unreal.

  • Yogi Sinzapatos

    7/29/2010 3:55:16 PM |

    Sprouted wheat however is I believe extremely good for health.

  • Anonymous

    7/29/2010 3:59:26 PM |

    YOU HAVE DEFINITELY MADE YOUR POINT QUITE CLEAR.  NO NO MORE WHEAT.

    Does anyone how tequila is made?

  • lisa32989

    7/29/2010 6:16:37 PM |

    No wheat in tequila Smile

  • stop smoking help

    7/29/2010 9:05:39 PM |

    Is it time to join the bandwagon? No more drinking, no more smoking, no more wheat? Really, did I just write that? I have to say, I really enjoy my PB&J on whole grain wheat bread, as do my kids.

    Eating wheat is like apple pie and July 4th fireworks. How can we possibly do without and find a relatively cheap substitute? Is rice any good or is that a bad carb too?

    To eat healthy, is it just you need to eat organic and nonwheat foods and watch your carb-mix?

    Does it have to be this complicated? Has anyone written a book with easy to find, cheap/healthy ingredients that is easy to prepare in 30 minutes or less and feeds a family of 4?

    Right now, we're basically down to grilled chicken/fish/pork with steamed fresh brocolli/green beans and long-grain rice. That's pretty much all we eat anymore, with the occassional cheeseburger/steak indulgence.

  • Anonymous

    7/29/2010 9:38:25 PM |

    I started Low Dose Naltrexone 2 months ago to help with Autoimmune Disease.  I started at 1.5 and now am at 3.0
    I will increase to 4.5 in 2 weeks.

    I eliminated grains and dairy 1 month ago.

    I have lost 10 pounds.

    I could be as simple as the diet changes but I think more is going on.

    I have less pain which allows me to sleep through the night.
    I have more energy.
    I am more active and actually exercising.
    I am supplementing Vit. D and getting daily sun exposure (my Vit. D level was 41).
    My moods have greatly improved.

    Ironically, any time I have been prescribed an opiate pain medication, I have had severe allergic reactions.

    As far as the Neuro symptoms, I do have Meniere's complete with dizziness and vertigo.  So far I have not noticed any positive impact but still hopeful.

    Thanks Dr. Davis for all your information.

    J9

  • Anne

    7/30/2010 2:36:19 AM |

    "This results in stumbling, incoordination, incontinence, "

    I know you are right on. I was having mild ataxia and stress incontinence. Off gluten for 7 years and balance is better and no stress incontinence.

    This also affects dogs. My 12 year old cairn terrier was stumbling, falling over and urinating in her sleep. Got her off grains 2 years ago and she improved immediately.

  • Anonymous

    7/30/2010 4:35:39 AM |

    I can not say it enough times..............  Be healthy, not Paranoid.

    Dr. D emphasizes extremes for effect.  Do not fall into either side of the trap. Complacency nor paranoia.  informed decisions are critical for you and your family's well being

    Trevor

  • Anonymous

    7/30/2010 7:28:00 AM |

    i'd agree with Trevor as well.

    sourdough wheat (traditional preparation) and boiled raw milk go together.

    sourdoughing helps breakdown anti nutrients in wheat making the nutrients more bio available. Further Raw milk takes care of the rest by providing necessary enzymes (phystase etc) to digest wheat completely.

    pasteurized milk and wheat consumed without sourdoughing give both milk and wheat a bad name and will improve health when stopped simultaneously.

    traditional preparations eliminate such problems to a large extent.

  • Parag

    7/30/2010 9:55:55 AM |

    Celiac disease is a digestive disease that damages the small intestine and interferes with absorption of nutrients from food.  Is an inherited, autoimmune disease in which the lining of the small intestine is damaged from eating gluten and other proteins found in wheat, barley, rye, and possibly oats.
    celiac disease symptoms

  • Alex

    7/30/2010 10:48:56 AM |

    Sprouting wheat begins the process of breaking down gluten, but it is not a complete process. Same goes for fermenting. Making a suboptimal food less bad for you does not mean that food is now good for you.

    As for boiled raw milk, taking raw milk to a boil heats it to an even higher temperature than is done during regular, non-UHT pasteurization, and it keeps it at that high temperature for a much longer time than any commercial pasteurization process. Raw milk that's been pasteurized at home at a higher temperature for a much longer time is not somehow magically superior to commercially pasteurized milk.

  • Anonymous

    7/30/2010 2:51:05 PM |

    I'd personally like to see an experiment on sourdough whole wheat combined with boiled raw milk to see what Dr Davis notes. That should settle it.

    Alex share your experience rather than float around in clouds.

  • Anonymous

    7/30/2010 5:08:37 PM |

    Just out of curiosity, I would like to know what is the point of buying something raw (supposedly because "raw" holds more benefits) only to then get it home and cook it. Boiling raw milk, in my estimation, defeats the purpose of consuming raw milk. Boiling kills everything. I buy raw milk weekly and I drink it "raw." That's why I buy it.  
    Am I missing something? (serious question).

  • Alex

    7/30/2010 5:33:10 PM |

    Anonymous, I don't have acute gluten sensitivity, but I've read enough about gluten sensitivity to know that sprouting and fermentation are not 100% effective at making wheat a tolerable food for people with gluten sensitivity.

    Why cling desperately to consumption of a crap quality food when it's so much easier and simpler to just not eat it at all? One personal experience I can draw on is the addictive nature of wheat. I've been addicted to both tobacco and alcohol, but the most addiction-triggering image I can visualize in my mind is a loaf of locally made, crusty Italian bread. I think people cling to wheat consumption because it's addictive, plus it's deeply embedded in human culture.

  • Anonymous

    7/30/2010 5:45:51 PM |

    raw milk is a relatively new fad in usa while india is the highest wheat and milk consumer since hundreds of years. The way they consume raw milk, is, after boiling it and the way they consume whole wheat is after making sourdough.

    I personally consume raw milk without boiling but whats important is to understand the effects of consuming wheat and milk traditionally on health viz a viz consuming it in modern style.

  • Anonymous

    7/30/2010 6:15:05 PM |

    Alex wheat is sub optimal as are many other foods. the only complete food is milk, everything else is had in combination with a complementary food.

    Wheat is also not easy to avoid while its consumed traditionally  daily in the east, it is everywhere in its modern avatar in the west.

    its not a bad idea to figure out wheats' complement and how it works than declare wheat suboptimal and write it off.

  • Tommy

    7/30/2010 8:13:55 PM |

    I think that more than the problems wheat may cause for some, the problem is the amount of wheat we consume. Consuming the bulk of your calories from wheat (or grain) is a problem, even for those who don't have any existing conditions. Drinking beer all day or more than you should isn't good either but that doesn't mean that a beer here and there or even one per day is a big deal. For an alcoholic one beer is a bad thing but for the average person 1 or 2 isn't. For someone with a problem, wheat is bad; for the average person a little here and there in moderation isn't. There are a lot of things modern man eats that he didn't eat at one time. But then again, there are many things in life in general that modern man does that we didn't do years ago. We will always look to make things easier and in doing so compromise ourselves in some way. The best thing is to be educated enough to make good decisions but not get too carried away in either direction.
    Eating store bought chicken and meat tainted and chemically enhanced isn't good either. What does that do to us long term? What about our children. Eat less wheat and grains and avoid one illness but get another from mystery meat. So I guess we can't win no matter what we do. We can't get crazy, we just have to make good decisions.
    Middle of the road always seems like a good starting point.

  • Anonymous

    8/3/2010 2:59:12 AM |

    "The most common immune neurological syndrome consequent to wheat consumption is cerebellar ataxia"

    Where is the study or other reference that supports this statement? How common is this neurological syndrome in the American general population?

    Thank you.

  • elwiemo

    8/18/2010 10:43:52 PM |

    How exactly are the Purkinje cells damaged, and how specific is the effect to gluten/wheat?  What is your source for this?

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