Lipoprotein testing

This is an update of a post I made about a year ago. However, I'm reposting it since the question comes up so often.


How can I get my lipoproteins tested?
This question came up on our recent online chat session and comes up frequently phone calls and e-mails.

If lipoprotein testing is the best way to uncover hidden causes of coronary heart disease, but your doctor is unable, unknowledgeable, or unwilling to help you, then what can you do?

There are several options:

1) Get the names of physicians who will obtain and interpret the test for you. That’s the best way. However, it is also the most difficult. Lipoprotein testing, despite over a decade of considerable scientific exploration and validation in thousands of research publications, still remains a sophisticated tool that only specialists in lipids will use. But this provides you with the best information on you’re your lipoproteins mean.
2) If you don’t have a doctor who can provide lipoprotein testing and interpretation, go to the websites for the three labs that actually perform the lipoprotein tests: www.liposcience.com (NMR); www.berkeleyheartlab.com (electropheresis or GGE); www.atherotech.com (ultracentrifugation). None of them will provide you with the names of actual physicians. They can provide you with the name of a local representative who will know (should know) which doctors in your area are well-acquainted with their technology. I prefer this route to just having a representative identify a laboratory in your area where the blood sample can be drawn, because you will still need a physician to interpret the results¾this is crucial. The test is of no use to you unless someone interprets it intelligently and understands the range of treatment possibilities available. Don’t be persuaded by your doctor if he/she agrees to have the blood drawn but has never seen the test before. This will be a waste of your time. That’s like hoping the kid next door can fix your car just because he says he fixed his Mom’s car once. Interpretation of lipoproteins takes time, education, and experience.

3) Seek out a lipidologist. Lipidologists are the new breed of physician who has sought out additional training and certification in lipid and lipoprotein disorders. Sometimes they’re listed in the yellow pages, or you can search online in your area. One drawback: Most lipidologists have been heavily brainwashed by the statin industry and tend to be heavy drug users.

4) Contact us. I frankly don’t like doing this because I feel that I can only provide limited information through this method and, frankly, it is very time consuming. I provide a written discussion of the implications and choices for treatment with the caveat to discuss them with your doctor, since I can’t provide medical advice without a formal medical relationship. We also charge $75 for the interpretation. But it’s better than nothing.

5) Make do with basic testing. Basic lipids along with a lipoprotein(a), C-reactive protein, fibrinogen, and homocysteine would provide a reasonable facsimile of lipoprotein testing. You’ll still lack small LDL and postprandial (after-eating) information, but you can still do reasonably well if you try to achieve the Track Your Plaque targets of 60-60-60. It’s sometimes a necessary compromise.

Our discussions on the Track Your Plaque Forum have impressed me with the difficulty many people encounter in getting lipoproteins drawn and interpreted. Some of our Members have been very resourceful identifying blood draw laboratories around the country, such as Lab Safe, that will at least provide the blood draw service.

I wish it was easier and we are working on some ideas to facilitate this nationwide. It will take time.

In 20 years, this will be a lot easier when doctors more commonly use lipoprotein testing. But for now, you can still obtain reasonably good results choosing one of the above alternatives.

Is it exercise or diet?

Wayne, a 61-year old retired school superintendent, had been an exercise fanatic all his adult life. If not running long distances and occasional marathons, he'd bike up to 70 miles a day. He did this year-round. In cold weather, he set his bicycle up on an indoor device and also ran on a treadmill and added weight training.

That's why it was kind of surprising that he sported a large belly. At 5 ft 8 inch and 190 lbs, that put his Body Mass Index (BMI) also high at 28.8 (desirable <25). You'd think that vigorous, almost extreme, exercise like this would guarantee a slender build.

Wayne also had lipoproteins to match: triglycerides 205 mg/dl, LDL 176 mg/dl but LDL particle number much higher at 2403 nmol/l (an effective LDL of 240 mg/dl); 75% of LDL particles were small.

I asked Wayne about his diet. "I eat healthy. Cheerios for breakfast usually. Some days I'll skip breakfast. Lunch is almost always a sandwich: tuna, turkey, something like that on whole wheat bread or a whole wheat bagel. Chips, too, but I guess that's not too healthy. Dinners vary and we eat pretty healthy. Almost never pizza or junk like that."

"Pasta?" I asked.

"Oh. sure. Two or three tiems a week. Always whole wheat. With a salad."

Wayne was well aware of the conventional advice for whole grains and, indeed, had been trying to increase his intake, particularly since his basic cholesterol numbers had been high in past. To his surprise, the more he tried at diet, the more LDL seemed to go up, as did triglycerides.

I see this situation every day: The obsession with processed carbohydrate foods, worsened by the message perpetuated by the American Heart Association, the USDA Food Pyramid, Kraft, Kelloggs, Post, etc. Eat more fiber, eat whole grains.

NY Times columnist, Jane Brody, chronicles her (embarassing) mis-adventure following the same mis-guided advice in Cutting Cholesterol, an Uphill Battle.

According to the USDA Food Pyramid, Wayne is not getting enough grains and whole grains, particularly since he is highly physically active. Consistent with the message given by the food industry: "Eat more!"

The food industry-supported Whole Grain Council advises:

Whole Grains at Every Meal
The US Dietary Guidelines recommend meeting the daily requirement by eating three "ounce-equivalents" of breads, rolls, cereals or other grain foods made with 100% whole grains. A slice of bread or a serving of breakfast cereal usually weighs about an ounce.

Want an easier way to think about it? Just look at your plate at each meal, and make sure you've included some source of whole grains. That's why our slogan is "Whole Grains at Every Meal."



By this scheme, if you are overweight, it's because you lack fiber and you're too inactive. "Get up and go!" It's not the diet, they say, it's you!

See through this for what it is: Nonsense. Wayne was overweight, packing 20 extra pounds in his abdomen from his over-dependence on processsed carbohydrates--"whole grains"--not from inactivity.

Instant heart disease reversal


What if reversal of heart disease--regression of coronary atherosclerotic plaque--were achievable instantly? Just add water and--voila!!

To my knowledge, it is not--yet. But I sometimes play with this idea in my head. I could imagine that such a program would consist of a few essential elements:

--A fast or semi-fast, or at least a very spare diet, over a period like 10 days to promote net catabolism. It is also supremely anti-inflammatory to restrict calories.

--High-dose vitamin D, e.g., 20,000 units per day of D3 to fully replenish depleted stores and achieve all the metabolism-correcting effects of D3 restoration.

--EPA + DHA at a higher than usual dose with frequent throughout-the-day dosing to encourage replacement of cellular lipid constituents with the more stable omega-3 fraction of fatty acids.

Beyond this, I'm uncertain. What role l-arginine, statins, niacin . . . conjugated linoleic acid? ApoA1 Milano infusions?

This is simply whimsical at this point. I don't know if such an approach would work. But if it did, you might imagine that it would offer an opportunity--for the properly motivated--as an alternative treatment for angina, advanced coronary disease, a means to pull someone back from the brink.

With the insights gained from our slow-but-powerful Track Your Plaque approach, perhaps we will also gain insights into how to accelerate such a process of reversal so that it is achievable in days, rather than months or years.

The small LDL epidemic

Ten years ago, small LDL was fairly common, affecting approximately 50% of the patients I'd see. For instance, an LDL particle number of 1800 nmol/l would be 40-50% small LDL in about half the people.

But in the last few years, I've witnessed an explosion in the proportion of people with small LDL, which now exceeds 80-90% of people. The people who show small LDL also show more severe patterns. 80-90% small LDL is not uncommon.

Why the surge in the small LDL pattern? Two reasons: 1) The extraordinary surge in excess weight and obesity, both of which favor formation of small LDL particles, and 2) over-reliance on processed carbohydrates, especially wheat-based convenience foods.

The constant media din that parrots such nonsense as the report on CNN Health website, Healthful Breakfast Tips to Keep You Fueled All Day, helps perpetuate this misguided advice. The dietitian they quote states:

"If you don't like what you're eating, you won't stick with it. If your choices aren't the most nutritious, small tweaks can make them more healthful. For example, if you have a sweet tooth in the morning, try a piece of nutty whole-grain bread spread with a tablespoon each of almond butter (it's slightly sweeter than peanut butter) and fruit preserves instead of eating foods that offer sweetness but little nutritional benefit, like doughnuts or muffins. If you enjoy egg dishes but don't have time to prepare your favorite before work, try microwaving an egg while toasting two slices whole wheat or rye (whole-grain) bread. Add a slice of low-fat cheese for a healthful breakfast sandwich that's ready in minutes. And don't overlook leftovers. If you feel like cold pizza (which contains antioxidant-filled tomato sauce, calcium-rich cheese, and lots of veggies), have it. It's a good breakfast that's better than no breakfast at all."

It sure sounds healthy, but it's same worn advice that has resulted in a nation drowning in obesity. The food choices advocated by this dietitian keep us fat. It also perpetuates this epidemic of small LDL particles.

If you have small LDL and its good friend, low HDL, it's time for elimination of wheat products, not some politically-correct silliness about increasing fiber by eating whole grains. Whole grains create small LDL! Or, I should say, what passes as whole grains on the supermarket shelves.

For some helpful commentary on this issue, see Fanatic Cook's latest post, Playing with Grains.

Mini-dose CTA?

I caught this little news report in the online edition of Canyon News , an LA paper, under the title Cedars-Sinai Develops Test to Prevent Heart Attacks .

They report that Dr. Daniel S. Berman M.D., chief of Cardiac Imaging and Nuclear Cardiology at Cedars-Sinai, reports that a new method of performing CT coronary angiography, "mini-dose CTA," has been developed that allows both coronary calcium scoring as well as CT coronary angiography (CTA) at a dose as low as 10% of standard dose. No technical details were provided.

Now, that may be worth knowing more about. If this is true, then CTA may indeed be useful as a "screening" procedure. However, we are going to need to know more: What devices are capable of doing this, what settings on the devices were used, etc. It does indeed come from a reputable source in Dr. Dan Berman, who is well known in nuclear cardiology circles.

We will try and dig for info. Stay tuned.

Wheat-free and weight loss

With a heart scan score of 1222, Leslie could be in deep trouble in short order.

At 64 years old, Leslie had gained nearly 40 lbs since she'd given up a lot of her activities caring for a husband who'd developed psychological difficulties and stopped contributing to the household duties. A tall woman at 5 ft 9 inches, she held her 202 lbs well, but her lipoprotein patterns were a disaster:

--LDL particle number 2482 nmol/l--an equivalent LDL cholesterol of 248 mg/dl (drop the last digit)
--HDL 38 mg/dl
--Triglycerides 241 mg/dl
--90% of LDL particles were small
--Lipoprotein(a) 240 nmol/l

Blood sugar was in the pre-diabetic range at 112 mg/dl, C-reactive protein was high at 3.0 mg/l, blood pressure was somewhat high at 140/84.

Now, with the exception of lipoprotein(a), these patterns are exquisitely weight-sensitive. A reduction in weight would yield effects superior to any medication I could give her.

Processed wheat products were a big problem for Leslie: whole wheat bread, pretzels for snacks, whole wheat pasta. Yes, they sound healthy, even endorsed by the American Heart Association, often bearing "heart healthy" labels on the packages. Don't you believe it.

In particular, Leslie had the number one cause for heart disease in America: small LDL particles, a pattern that is magnified 30-70% by wheat products. Endorsed by the Heart Association? (As I often tell people, if you want heart disease, follow the diet advocated by the American Heart Association.)

Leslie was skeptical, worried that she would be hungry all the time and would have virtually nothing left to eat. Instead, when she returned to the office three months later, she reported that eating was easy, finding healthy foods not containing wheat was easier than she thought, she felt great, finding more energy than she'd had in years.

She'd also shed 30 lbs.

Leslie's lipoprotein patterns also reflected the weight loss. She achieved her 60:60:60 Track Your Plaque lipid targets, small LDL shrunk dramatically, blood sugar and blood pressure were back in normal ranges.

I see results like Leslie's several times every week. For those of us with patterns like Leslie's, or just obesity that accumulates in the abdomen, going wheat-free is among the most powerful single strategies I know of.

If you need convincing, try an experiment. Eliminate--not reduce, but eliminate wheat products from your diet, whether or not the fancy label on the package says it's healthy, high in fiber, a "healthy low-fat snack", etc. This means no bread, pasta, crackers, cookies, breads, chips, pancakes, waffles, breading on chicken, rolls, bagels, cakes, breakfast cereal. I find elimination of wheat easier than just cutting back. I believe this is because wheat is powerfully addictive. It's very similar to telling an alcoholic that a drink now and then is okay--it just doesn't work. They need to be alcohol-free. Most of us need to be wheat-free, not just cut back.

You won't be hungry if you replace the lost calories with plenty of raw almonds, walnuts, pecans, sunflower and pumpkin seeds; more liberal use of healthy olive oil, canola oil and flaxseed oil; adding ground flaxseed and oat bran to yogurt, cottage cheese, etc.; and more lean proteins like lean beef, chicken, turkey, fish, and eggs.

The majority of people who go wheat-free lose weight, sometimes dramatically. Most people also feel better: more energy, more alert, better sleep, less mood swings. Time and again, people who try this will tell me that the daytime grogginess they've suffered and lived with for years, and would treat with loads of caffeine, is suddenly gone. They cruise through their day with extra energy.

Even without weight loss, going wheat-free usually raises HDL, reduces the dreaded small LDL dramtically. It also reduces triglycerides, blood sugar, C-reactive protein, blood pressure. Blood sugar control in diabetics is far easier, with less fluctuations and sharp rises in blood sugar.

Success at this also yields great advantage for your heart scan score control and reversal efforts.

Collective wisdom


As public consciousness and knowledge about health issues grows, thanks to the internet and other media, I predict that:

1) Hospitals will recede into a role of acute and catastrophic care ONLY, dropping the charade of providing health, which they do NOT.

2) Doctors and other health professionals will begin to see themselves as providers of acute and catastrophic care, also. They will stop providing day to day care, such as treating high blood pressure, cholesterol, breast exams, and other preventive maintenance.

3) Instead, preventive care will be self-provided. The public will have acquired sufficient savvy and know-how to manage issues like blood pressure themselves. They will need the assistance of helpful information resources, web-based for the most part. Much preventive care can, in fact, be algorithm-driven, just like following a simple recipe.

All the worries about runaway health care costs will be much reduced, since excessive testing driven by liability worries will disappear, repeated office visits for day-to-day issues will go away. Yes, you will need a doctor and hospital for a broken leg, car accident, unexpected cancer, or non-compliance or neglect of prevention.

But osteoporosis, high blood pressure, nutrition, weight loss, hormone management, cholesterol issues, minor complaints will all be managed by people themselves with the assistance of web-based knowledge systems.

I already sense this sort of phenomeonon developing, though in its infancy, in venues like the Track Your Plaque Forum and other health portals, places where the information being discussed exceeds the quality of information you can obtain from your doctor. Over and over again, for instance, the sophistication and knowledge demonstrated by our Track Your Plaque Forum discussions shows that the public is capable of far more understanding of health issues than many previously believed. Most of our members could carry on a credible conversation with trained lipid experts. The knowledge base of our members exceeds that of 98% of most of my colleagues when it comes to heart scans, lipoproteins, and nutrition.

I am in awe of Wikipedia, the popular online encyclopedia. Five 20- and 30-somethings have created a knowledge base that has now eclipsed Encyclopedia Britannica in size and scope, with equivalent accuracy, and relatively little cost. I'd like to see the same phenomenon occur in health care information, helping to usurp the current paternalistic "I'll tell you what to do" model.

Success--Slow but sure

John is a gentleman.

At age 76, he continues to teach at a local college. He's a delight to talk to, having written several scholarly books on religious topics. He's a fountain of knowledge on religious history and the roots of faith.

John is one of those incurably optimistic people, always greeting me with a smile and a warm handshake. I can't help but linger for a hour or so to talk with John, unfortunately disrupting my office schedule miserably.

John is another Track Your Plaque success story. Though he didn't set any records in reduction of his heart scan score, he did it simply by adhering to the program over a period of two years, succeeding slowly but surely.

John's first heart scan score: 1190, a score that carries as much as a 25% annual risk for heart attack. Among the list of causes was an LDL cholesterol in the 170 mg/dl range, along with an LDL particle number that verified the accuracy of LDL.

Among John's suggested treatments was a statin drug, since I was not confident he could reduce LDL with diet and nutritional modifications sufficiently to safely reduce both LDL and his risk for heart attack. But he proved terribly intolerant to any dose of any statin, with incapacitating and strange side-effects, like head-to-toe itching, abdominal cramps and diarrhea. It was clear: John needed to do the program without benefit of a statin drug.

I therefore asked John to maximize all efforts that reduce LDL, 70% of which were small LDL paricles despite his very slender build. He used oat bran and ground flaxseed daily, raw nuts, a soy protein smoothie every morning, and eliminated wheat and other high-glycemic index foods (including the Oreos he loved to snack on). Because the mis-adventures with statin drugs wasted nearly a year, I asked John to undergo another heart scan. Score 2: 1383, a 16% increase.

I asked John to keep on going. Thankfully, he did manage to tolerate fish oil, niacin (though it required over a year just to get to a 1000 mg per day dose), and vitamin D. With all these efforts, he did reduce LDL to the 80-90 mg/dl range. Of course, John's unflagging optimism was crucial. He did express his occasional anxiety over his heart scan score, but dealt with it in a logical, philosophical way. He understood that there was no role for prophylactic stents or bypass, and he accepted that much of his program rested on his ability to adhere to the strategies we advised.

Another year later, a 3rd heart scan: 1210, a 12% reduction.

I'm very proud of John and his success. When you think about it, he succeeded in conquering heart disease with some very simple tools, minus statin drugs. It can be done, but requires consistency and patience--and an optimistic outlook.

Vitamin D and octagenarians

Roger practically bounced in his chair vibrating with energy.

"It must be the vitamin D! I haven't felt like this in years. I can work around the yard all day and still have energy left over."

At age 84, Roger started out with pretty good health, despite a prosthetic valve and bypass surgery 5 years earlier. He looked 74, perhaps younger.

I've seen this effect now in about 20 octagenarians. A Track Your Plaque Member mentioned this same effect in his father-in-law in a discussion in our Forum. Most are taking around 6000-8000 units per day (gelcap, of course). The average dose of vitamin D tends to be higher in this age group, since by age 80, you've essentially lost the capacity to convert 7-hydrocholesterol to active vitamin D3 in the skin. Most octagenarians start with 25-OH-vitamin D3 levels of 10 ng/ml or less--profound deficiency.

I believe the effect is real, having now witnessed it multiple times. Unfortunately, my observations are too informal to qualify as a study. (I wouldn't even know how to quantify this. I suppose some sort of muscle and coordination testing might yield quantifiable measures.) However, there are some data emerging that show less fractures, falls, improved coordination, and perhaps improved memory and mentation with vitamin D supplementation, though doses often used in studies tend to be lower than what we are using in practice.

I haven't been so excited about the effects of a nutritional supplement in a long time. Vitamin D continues to yield surprises every day in its array of positive and powerful effects.

Could we say that vitamin D restores youthfulness?
This is your brain on wheat II

This is your brain on wheat II

In the original Heart Scan Blog post, This is your brain on wheat, I discussed how opioid peptides (i.e., small proteins that act like opiates such as heroine or morphine) that result from digestion of wheat cause unique effects on the human brain, particularly addictive behaviors. I also briefly reviewed how elimination of wheat has been shown to reduce auditory hallucinations and other psychotic behaviors in a subset of people with paranoid schizophrenia.

These two phenomena, addictions and schizophrenia, are most likely the result of exorphins that cross the blood-brain barrier. Exorphins--exogenous morphine-like compounds--can be blocked by opiate-blocking drugs like naloxone and naltrexone. Naloxone is used in hospitals to reverse morphine or heroine overdoses; naltrexone is being repackaged into a weight loss drug, since blocking wheat-derived exorphins reduces appetite. (Yes: The USDA tells us to eat more wheat, the drug industry sells us the antidote.)

There's another way that wheat can affect the brain and nervous system: immune-activated damage.

This is similar to the effect seen in celiac. There's even overlap with some of the antibody markers used to diagnose celiac, like the anti-gliadin antibodies and the anti-endomysium antibodies.

The most common immune neurological syndrome consequent to wheat consumption is cerebellar ataxia, a condition in which an immune response causes damage to the Purkinje cells of the cerebellum, the portion of the brain responsible for balance and coordination. This results in stumbling, incoordination, incontinence, and eventually leads to reliance on a cane or walker and wearing a diaper. Average age of onset: 53 years. A shrunken, atrophied cerebellum can be seen on an MRI of the brain.

Problem: Most people with central nervous system damage caused by wheat do not have any intestinal symptoms, like diarrhea and abdominal pain, the sort of symptoms usually associated with celiac disease. It means the first sign of wheat-induced brain damage may be bumping into walls and wetting your pants.

Comments (24) -

  • LeonRover

    7/28/2010 9:18:57 PM |

    Being Irish an' all, my jeans will only allow me to thrive on a few spuds served with lashin's of butter an' onions and o' course sides of bacon and eggs washed down with Whiskey Go Leor, sometimes called The Juice o' the Barley.

    Minimal wheat.

  • Thrasymachus

    7/28/2010 10:35:34 PM |

    It only makes sense that there are vast numbers of people actually addicted to food, not metaphorically, but in the same way people are addicted to drugs and nicotine. A good start would be stop subsidizing this addiction, but since we have a government of the grain farmers, by the grain farmers, and for the grain farmers, that's not likely.

  • Anonymous

    7/29/2010 4:26:28 AM |

    Is wheat induced brain damage reversible, if one goes off wheat say at 50.?

  • Anonymous

    7/29/2010 5:34:31 AM |

    I would bet good money that this post will get more people off wheat than all your posts about wheat and heart disease combined!

  • Hans Keer

    7/29/2010 6:35:47 AM |

    You are totally right the devastating effects of wheat and its palls goes from gut to brain http://bit.ly/cAbZry VBR

  • Anonymous

    7/29/2010 10:22:18 AM |

    Dr. Davis

    As usual you are SPOT ON. exactly right with the symptoms and age. Just amazing all clinical symptoms described were seen by me in my father from 53 (stumbling and falling) to 58 (requiring help walking) to 60 (epilepsy hallucinations and fears)to 61 (bedridden) to 64 (last year November) death.

    Come to think, it was so simple to save him. It is just unreal.

  • Yogi Sinzapatos

    7/29/2010 3:55:16 PM |

    Sprouted wheat however is I believe extremely good for health.

  • Anonymous

    7/29/2010 3:59:26 PM |

    YOU HAVE DEFINITELY MADE YOUR POINT QUITE CLEAR.  NO NO MORE WHEAT.

    Does anyone how tequila is made?

  • lisa32989

    7/29/2010 6:16:37 PM |

    No wheat in tequila Smile

  • stop smoking help

    7/29/2010 9:05:39 PM |

    Is it time to join the bandwagon? No more drinking, no more smoking, no more wheat? Really, did I just write that? I have to say, I really enjoy my PB&J on whole grain wheat bread, as do my kids.

    Eating wheat is like apple pie and July 4th fireworks. How can we possibly do without and find a relatively cheap substitute? Is rice any good or is that a bad carb too?

    To eat healthy, is it just you need to eat organic and nonwheat foods and watch your carb-mix?

    Does it have to be this complicated? Has anyone written a book with easy to find, cheap/healthy ingredients that is easy to prepare in 30 minutes or less and feeds a family of 4?

    Right now, we're basically down to grilled chicken/fish/pork with steamed fresh brocolli/green beans and long-grain rice. That's pretty much all we eat anymore, with the occassional cheeseburger/steak indulgence.

  • Anonymous

    7/29/2010 9:38:25 PM |

    I started Low Dose Naltrexone 2 months ago to help with Autoimmune Disease.  I started at 1.5 and now am at 3.0
    I will increase to 4.5 in 2 weeks.

    I eliminated grains and dairy 1 month ago.

    I have lost 10 pounds.

    I could be as simple as the diet changes but I think more is going on.

    I have less pain which allows me to sleep through the night.
    I have more energy.
    I am more active and actually exercising.
    I am supplementing Vit. D and getting daily sun exposure (my Vit. D level was 41).
    My moods have greatly improved.

    Ironically, any time I have been prescribed an opiate pain medication, I have had severe allergic reactions.

    As far as the Neuro symptoms, I do have Meniere's complete with dizziness and vertigo.  So far I have not noticed any positive impact but still hopeful.

    Thanks Dr. Davis for all your information.

    J9

  • Anne

    7/30/2010 2:36:19 AM |

    "This results in stumbling, incoordination, incontinence, "

    I know you are right on. I was having mild ataxia and stress incontinence. Off gluten for 7 years and balance is better and no stress incontinence.

    This also affects dogs. My 12 year old cairn terrier was stumbling, falling over and urinating in her sleep. Got her off grains 2 years ago and she improved immediately.

  • Anonymous

    7/30/2010 4:35:39 AM |

    I can not say it enough times..............  Be healthy, not Paranoid.

    Dr. D emphasizes extremes for effect.  Do not fall into either side of the trap. Complacency nor paranoia.  informed decisions are critical for you and your family's well being

    Trevor

  • Anonymous

    7/30/2010 7:28:00 AM |

    i'd agree with Trevor as well.

    sourdough wheat (traditional preparation) and boiled raw milk go together.

    sourdoughing helps breakdown anti nutrients in wheat making the nutrients more bio available. Further Raw milk takes care of the rest by providing necessary enzymes (phystase etc) to digest wheat completely.

    pasteurized milk and wheat consumed without sourdoughing give both milk and wheat a bad name and will improve health when stopped simultaneously.

    traditional preparations eliminate such problems to a large extent.

  • Parag

    7/30/2010 9:55:55 AM |

    Celiac disease is a digestive disease that damages the small intestine and interferes with absorption of nutrients from food.  Is an inherited, autoimmune disease in which the lining of the small intestine is damaged from eating gluten and other proteins found in wheat, barley, rye, and possibly oats.
    celiac disease symptoms

  • Alex

    7/30/2010 10:48:56 AM |

    Sprouting wheat begins the process of breaking down gluten, but it is not a complete process. Same goes for fermenting. Making a suboptimal food less bad for you does not mean that food is now good for you.

    As for boiled raw milk, taking raw milk to a boil heats it to an even higher temperature than is done during regular, non-UHT pasteurization, and it keeps it at that high temperature for a much longer time than any commercial pasteurization process. Raw milk that's been pasteurized at home at a higher temperature for a much longer time is not somehow magically superior to commercially pasteurized milk.

  • Anonymous

    7/30/2010 2:51:05 PM |

    I'd personally like to see an experiment on sourdough whole wheat combined with boiled raw milk to see what Dr Davis notes. That should settle it.

    Alex share your experience rather than float around in clouds.

  • Anonymous

    7/30/2010 5:08:37 PM |

    Just out of curiosity, I would like to know what is the point of buying something raw (supposedly because "raw" holds more benefits) only to then get it home and cook it. Boiling raw milk, in my estimation, defeats the purpose of consuming raw milk. Boiling kills everything. I buy raw milk weekly and I drink it "raw." That's why I buy it.  
    Am I missing something? (serious question).

  • Alex

    7/30/2010 5:33:10 PM |

    Anonymous, I don't have acute gluten sensitivity, but I've read enough about gluten sensitivity to know that sprouting and fermentation are not 100% effective at making wheat a tolerable food for people with gluten sensitivity.

    Why cling desperately to consumption of a crap quality food when it's so much easier and simpler to just not eat it at all? One personal experience I can draw on is the addictive nature of wheat. I've been addicted to both tobacco and alcohol, but the most addiction-triggering image I can visualize in my mind is a loaf of locally made, crusty Italian bread. I think people cling to wheat consumption because it's addictive, plus it's deeply embedded in human culture.

  • Anonymous

    7/30/2010 5:45:51 PM |

    raw milk is a relatively new fad in usa while india is the highest wheat and milk consumer since hundreds of years. The way they consume raw milk, is, after boiling it and the way they consume whole wheat is after making sourdough.

    I personally consume raw milk without boiling but whats important is to understand the effects of consuming wheat and milk traditionally on health viz a viz consuming it in modern style.

  • Anonymous

    7/30/2010 6:15:05 PM |

    Alex wheat is sub optimal as are many other foods. the only complete food is milk, everything else is had in combination with a complementary food.

    Wheat is also not easy to avoid while its consumed traditionally  daily in the east, it is everywhere in its modern avatar in the west.

    its not a bad idea to figure out wheats' complement and how it works than declare wheat suboptimal and write it off.

  • Tommy

    7/30/2010 8:13:55 PM |

    I think that more than the problems wheat may cause for some, the problem is the amount of wheat we consume. Consuming the bulk of your calories from wheat (or grain) is a problem, even for those who don't have any existing conditions. Drinking beer all day or more than you should isn't good either but that doesn't mean that a beer here and there or even one per day is a big deal. For an alcoholic one beer is a bad thing but for the average person 1 or 2 isn't. For someone with a problem, wheat is bad; for the average person a little here and there in moderation isn't. There are a lot of things modern man eats that he didn't eat at one time. But then again, there are many things in life in general that modern man does that we didn't do years ago. We will always look to make things easier and in doing so compromise ourselves in some way. The best thing is to be educated enough to make good decisions but not get too carried away in either direction.
    Eating store bought chicken and meat tainted and chemically enhanced isn't good either. What does that do to us long term? What about our children. Eat less wheat and grains and avoid one illness but get another from mystery meat. So I guess we can't win no matter what we do. We can't get crazy, we just have to make good decisions.
    Middle of the road always seems like a good starting point.

  • Anonymous

    8/3/2010 2:59:12 AM |

    "The most common immune neurological syndrome consequent to wheat consumption is cerebellar ataxia"

    Where is the study or other reference that supports this statement? How common is this neurological syndrome in the American general population?

    Thank you.

  • elwiemo

    8/18/2010 10:43:52 PM |

    How exactly are the Purkinje cells damaged, and how specific is the effect to gluten/wheat?  What is your source for this?

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