Is Lp(a) part of your legacy to your children?

If you have lipoprotein(a), Lp(a)--the most aggressive known cause of heart disease that no one has heard of--then you need to tell your children.

Lp(a) is a "cleanly" inherited genetic pattern: If either parent has it, there's a 50% chance that you have it. If you have it, then there's a 50% likelihood that each of your children has it. (Note that each child experiences a likelihood of 50%, not 50% of your children. This is because each child is conceived as an independent statistical event. So much for romance!)

The atherogenicity (plaque-causing potential) of Lp(a) also tends to get transmitted. In other words, if your Dad had a heart attack at age 50 due to Lp(a) and you share Lp(a), then you likely share a similar magnitude of risk as your Dad. If your Mom had Lp(a), though passed quietly at age 89 without any overt evidence of heart disease, then you are likely to share the relatively benign form of Lp(a).

For most of us with Lp(a), however, it is best to assume that it has at least some potential for causing heart disease, being the most aggressive cause known. (That is, until we have the ability in everyday clinical practice to characterize Lp(a) by assessing such factors as the size of the apoprotein(a) molecule, the number of kringle "repeats" on the tail, etc. Until then, we need to rely on the crude, though helpful, observation of family history.)

At what age should you inform your children? There's no hard-and-fast rule. However, I generally suggest to patients that they talk about Lp(a) with their children when they reach their 20s or 30s, old enough to begin to understand the implications and begin to think about adopting healthier lifestyles. Is treatment required at, say, age 35? That depends on the pattern of Lp(a)-related heart disease in the family: With exceptionally aggressive forms, it might be reasonable to begin treatment at this relatively early age.

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  • craig&jan

    9/15/2009 4:59:09 AM |

    Finally switched to a new PCP who says she loves lipids!  Very interested in all facets of cardiac risk, thyroid, etc.

    My father is 88 and still very active. My mom passed away at 84 following her first health event which was a stroke.  
    I have been following this blog's recommendations for supplements, diet,etc. The new dr did a lipid panel and without any rx meds, my total was 199, HDL 61, Tri 68, LDL 124.  My Lp(a) was tested by my previous dr and was 34. I was told that was high and I probably had inherited my mother's pattern and she most likely had an Lp(a)problem. The new dr says I must go on Crestor 5mg a day to lower my LDL to 100. She says that will protect me from depositing more plaque in the coming years, in effect immobilizing the Lp(a). Would you say that was a fair assessment and reason to start on a statin?  She feels the lowest dose possible is enough to benefit by lowering the LDL.  Your post is exactly the situation I'm in and adding meds are my biggest question.  I will tell my children who are in their late 20's. I'm in my mid-50's with no other health issues.  I'd love your take on it.

    Thanks.

    Jan

  • craig&jan

    9/15/2009 4:59:09 AM |

    Finally switched to a new PCP who says she loves lipids!  Very interested in all facets of cardiac risk, thyroid, etc.

    My father is 88 and still very active. My mom passed away at 84 following her first health event which was a stroke.  
    I have been following this blog's recommendations for supplements, diet,etc. The new dr did a lipid panel and without any rx meds, my total was 199, HDL 61, Tri 68, LDL 124.  My Lp(a) was tested by my previous dr and was 34. I was told that was high and I probably had inherited my mother's pattern and she most likely had an Lp(a)problem. The new dr says I must go on Crestor 5mg a day to lower my LDL to 100. She says that will protect me from depositing more plaque in the coming years, in effect immobilizing the Lp(a). Would you say that was a fair assessment and reason to start on a statin?  She feels the lowest dose possible is enough to benefit by lowering the LDL.  Your post is exactly the situation I'm in and adding meds are my biggest question.  I will tell my children who are in their late 20's. I'm in my mid-50's with no other health issues.  I'd love your take on it.

    Thanks.

    Jan

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/15/2009 11:57:55 AM |

    Hi, Jan--

    Sadly, that is the typical primary care response, someone who has minimal to no insight into Lp(a).

    So, no, I would not agree with this approach that was first popularized by a single substudy performed by Dr. Greg Brown at the University of Washington.

    I take a very different view of Lp(a) that varies depending on age. However, this is a lengthy topic either for a future post or refer to the detailed discussions in the Track Your Plaque website.

  • ABick

    9/15/2009 3:47:10 PM |

    Dr. Davis - Is any amount of Lp(a) a significant risk factor for CVD?  Or is there a relatively safe threshold that if one is below there should be limited risk?

  • steve

    9/15/2009 4:42:52 PM |

    Dr Davis:  what would you say is a high Lp(a)? The NMR range is <75nmol, and the other measurement i think is <32or 40dl.  Would a 30-40 be high on NMR, or 15-20 per dl?
    Thanks,

  • Scott Miller

    9/15/2009 8:01:37 PM |

    Dr. Davis,

    I read all of your posts, greatly admire your practice, open-mindedness, and vast knowledge.

    I have measured my Lp(a) for several years, and have kept it at a bare minimum, usually below 8, most recent a reading of 3. I do this through a paleo-like diet:

    o High-fat (avoiding polyunsaturated fats, but high in saturated fats, mono unsaturated fats, and marine omega-3's)
    o Moderate protein (mostly from animal sources)
    o Low-carb (no grains, no added sugars, absolutely no processed fructose, and eating mostly high-water-volume vegetables, which are naturally very low in actual glucose polymers)

    My primary goals:
    o Maintain ultra low inflammation
    o Maintain low insulin usage (thru maintaining low-normal blood glucose, in the 80's)

    I'm 48, in supremely great health, and look around 35-yrs-old.

    My question: I've thoroughly looked for studies linking Lp(a) to gluten consumption, but I've come up empty. Are you aware of any studies?

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/15/2009 9:17:14 PM |

    AB and Steve--

    Because there are several different methods to measure Lp(a) for which the "reference ranges" differ, it is best to consult the range offered by the lab used, which are pretty good indicators of normal vs. abnormal.

    Scott--

    I know of no data specifically relating gluten to Lp(a). Anecdotally, there may be an effect, but it is likely relatively small.

  • Scott Miller

    9/16/2009 2:14:38 AM |

    Dr. Davis, I thought you had found in your practice a link between gluten and Lp(a). Or, at least, wheat and Lp(a)?

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/16/2009 2:30:01 AM |

    Hi, Scott-

    It's difficult to separate out the effects of wheat elimination vs. carbohydrate reduction, increased fat/oil intake. So I cannot say with absolute confidence that gluten specifically affects Lp(a).

    It's an interesting concept, but I don't believe that we have an answer.

  • David

    9/16/2009 4:41:08 AM |

    Dr. Davis- Have you ever seen Lp(a) cause heart disease in the very young? Under 35 or even under 30? I know that even children can have high Lp(a), and it makes me wonder if plaque growth is going on throughout childhood in these cases or if it is rather somehow "activated" once a certain point is reached and accelerates in a very short time toward the kind of events we see in the 40s and 50s age groups.

  • Lou

    9/16/2009 4:16:09 PM |

    Dr Davis

    I found a lab in Europe that will do an Lp(a) test and also Apolipoprotein A. I want to do the Lp(a) test as you suggest.

    The lab also offers an Apolipoprotein B test. Is the Apolipoprotein B of any use value? I couldn't see much info about it on your blog/book.

    Thanks
    Lou

  • Kent

    9/16/2009 4:54:47 PM |

    I see various thoughts and studies on the effects of monounsaturated fats on LP(a). I see Scotts example of using lots of saturated and monounsaturated fats and lowering his LP(a). I see other studies where they say monounsaturateds can raise LP(a) by 10-12%. What gives?

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/17/2009 1:45:11 AM |

    Hi, David--

    Rarely will Lp(a) cause heart disease before age 35. There are always exceptions, but they are exceptionally rare.


    Lou--

    Apo B is an improvement over calculated LDL. Yes, it is worth the few extra bucks. My personal favorite, however, is NMR LDL particle number, the best measure of LDl by a long stretch. Apo B is a second best.

  • Dr. B G

    9/17/2009 2:13:23 PM |

    Kent,

    Saturated fatty acids (SFA)indeed potently control Lp(a) in the clinical trials as well as anecdotally in our TYP membership. Why? SFA are actually hormonal in action, binders of receptors just like omega-3 fatty acids which lower inflammation and raise HDLs.

    There is a study that shows if Lp(a) is = or < than HDL2, Lp(a) is effectively 'neutralized'. Some of our members had HDL2 of > 40-50 mg/dl. In fact, Lp(a) and HDL track  together and  Dr. Davis' TYP program includes every facet and strategy that raises HDL to one's genetic potential:
    --thyroid and hormone replacement
    --wheat/gluten/carb elimination
    --vitamin D

    With every 10% increase in vit D, there is a ~1% increase in HDL. Did u know Crestor raises vit D by 159%?! Of course Crestor has NASTY side effects -- Crestor raises oxLDL + Lp(a)).

    -G

  • Dr. B G

    9/17/2009 2:13:23 PM |

    Kent,

    Saturated fatty acids (SFA)indeed potently control Lp(a) in the clinical trials as well as anecdotally in our TYP membership. Why? SFA are actually hormonal in action, binders of receptors just like omega-3 fatty acids which lower inflammation and raise HDLs.

    There is a study that shows if Lp(a) is = or < than HDL2, Lp(a) is effectively 'neutralized'. Some of our members had HDL2 of > 40-50 mg/dl. In fact, Lp(a) and HDL track  together and  Dr. Davis' TYP program includes every facet and strategy that raises HDL to one's genetic potential:
    --thyroid and hormone replacement
    --wheat/gluten/carb elimination
    --vitamin D

    With every 10% increase in vit D, there is a ~1% increase in HDL. Did u know Crestor raises vit D by 159%?! Of course Crestor has NASTY side effects -- Crestor raises oxLDL + Lp(a)).

    -G

  • Anonymous

    9/17/2009 6:32:59 PM |

    My brother had a MI right after he turned 29. My parents now in sixties, do not have cholesterol related heart disease yet although my mom has some issues now due to thyroid problems. She has also developed diabetes unfortunately.

    Would this be Lp(a) related incidence?

  • Kent

    9/18/2009 5:10:58 PM |

    Dr. BG, Thanks for your response on the subject of fats. I was aware that saturated fats could substatially lower LP(a), however my area of concern has more to do with the mono unsaturated fats. Scott mentioned how he had lowered his LP(a) with a diet that included high intake of the mono unsaturated fats. Yet, I have read elsewhere that the mono unsaturated fats can raise LP(a) by 10-12%. (Vessby B et al 2002).
    So I guess my question remains do monos raise or lower LP(a)

  • Florida Butterfly

    2/9/2010 2:07:29 AM |

    I am 22 and just found out that I inherited the elevated lp(a) levels. As of now my number his higher than my dads! He just avoided a heart attack, and had stents put in just before it reached that point. Needless to say I inherited it from him.  I am starting Niacin, only 100 mg.  I will say that it is a serious struggle for me to change my lifestyle as in diet and exercise so early.   My lp(a) # was 65

  • buy jeans

    11/4/2010 5:13:10 PM |

    (That is, until we have the ability in everyday clinical practice to characterize Lp(a) by assessing such factors as the size of the apoprotein(a) molecule, the number of kringle "repeats" on the tail, etc. Until then, we need to rely on the crude, though helpful, observation of family history.)

  • Anthony Cozzi

    11/24/2011 1:46:27 AM |

    Dear Dr. Davis
    I am 58 years old and have had three stents ( one in 2000 and two in 2008 ).  My Lp(a) is >200 according to my last Berkely Test in 2010.  I am soon having another Berkely Test and would like to know exactly what I should have tested besides my Lp(a) and particle size.  I have been taking Niaspan (1500mg daily) and Simcor 1000/20, Fish Oil and Vitamin D3 ( 6000 iu ) all daily.  Would you suggest me taking any DHEA ?  I would really appreciate hearing from you.  I live in Chicago and could visit your office. 708-925-3010.  Thank you.
    Anthony Cozzi

  • Dr. William Davis

    11/25/2011 2:12:20 PM |

    Hi, Anthony--

    Thyroid assessment is crucial in Lp(a): TSH, free T3, free T4. Also, a DHEA level. Both issues are very important.

    Sorry, but my practice is now closed to new patients, since we were booking 6 months in advance. However, much of this can be found in the Track Your Plaque website.

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Vitamin D: Deficiency vs optimum level

Vitamin D: Deficiency vs optimum level

Dr. James Dowd of the Vitamin D Cure posted his insightful comments regarding the Institute of Medicine's inane evaluation of vitamin D.

Dr. Dowd hits a bullseye with this remark:

The IOM is focusing on deficiency when it should be focusing on optimal health values for vitamin D. The scientific community continues to argue about the lower limit of normal when we now have definitive pathologic data showing that an optimal vitamin D level is at or above 30 ng/mL. Moreover, if no credible toxicity has been reported for vitamin D levels below 200 ng/mL, why are we obsessing over whether our vitamin D level should be 20 ng/mL or 30 ng/mL?

Yes, indeed. Have no doubts: Vitamin D deficiency is among the greatest public health problems of our age; correction of vitamin D (using the human form of vitamin D, i.e., D3 or cholecalciferol, not the invertebrate or plant form, D2 or ergocalciferol) is among the most powerful health solutions.

I have seen everything from relief from winter "blues," to reversal of arthritis, to stopping the progression of aortic valve disease, to partial reversal of dementia by achieving 25-hydroxy vitamin D levels of 50 ng/ml or greater. (I aim for 60-70 ng/ml.)

The IOM's definition of vitamin D adequacy rests on what level of 25-hydroxy vitamin D reverses hyperparathyroidism (high PTH levels) and rickets. Surely there is more to health than that.

Dr. Dowd and vocal vitamin D advocate, Dr. John Cannell, continue to champion the vitamin D cause that, like many health issues, conradicts the "wisdom" of official organizations like the IOM.

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  • Anton

    12/19/2010 2:20:07 AM |

    Thanks for your great blog, and for your interest in Vitamin D.

    Along with doctors Dowd and Cannell, add Dr. Holick as another pioneer in Vitamin D. research.

    http://www.vitamindhealth.org/

  • Anonymous

    12/19/2010 4:58:25 AM |

    I bet natural vitamin d is far superior to oral supplementation.  I think vit D absorbtion is optimized by low carb, but you also need some sunlight added into the picture.

  • Dr. William Davis

    12/19/2010 1:59:13 PM |

    Hi, Anon--

    Where I live, it's been around 10 degrees Fahrenheit for about two weeks straight. Probably too cold to lay out in a bathing suit.

    For many of us, supplementation is the only choice.

    Also, don't forget that the majority of people after age 40 have lost much of their ability to activate vit D in the skin.

  • kellgy

    12/19/2010 5:02:25 PM |

    I just added his book to my wish list and it will be my next read. I am beginning to wonder why don't we seek to reach serum vitamin D somewhere between 100-150 range. Has there been any research indicating any response to these levels? Even with all the recent research focusing on vitamin D, it would be nice to understand overall health responses at varying degrees of serum content from deficiency to toxicity. We need a wider perspective to draw from.

    BTW, an update: 110 pounds and counting . . . My BMI is about to fall into the normal range and my health has never been better!

    This is an unusual thought. Sitting in front of a very warm and soothing fire last night, I was wondering how my skin reacts to the radiation, aside from the warmth and relaxation benefits.

  • IggyDalrymple

    12/20/2010 3:07:51 AM |

    My level dropped 20 points when I reduced my intake from 10,000 iu/day to 5,000 /day.  I went back to 10,000 and now I'm at 63 ng/ml.  I'll stick with 10,000 iu unless I exceed 100 ng/ml.

  • Susanne

    12/20/2010 7:06:08 AM |

    I wonder if there is not a missing piece to the puzzle of vitamin D deficiency in relation to adequate iodine levels.  I have appended text from the website Iodine4health.  In it Dr. Vickery noticed a connection between the two:

    ”I have also noted an apparent connection between bringing sufficient iodine to a bromine plugged thyroid, and the vitamin D metabolism of the body. Although I am unaware of the exact mechanism, it seems clear that the calcitonin/parathyroid hormone/Vitamin D/calcium balance in the body changes as people on iodine loading programs often register as vitamin D deficient when they did not previously."

    I believe this to be my case.  I tested my vitamin D levels for years and they were optimal based on Dr. Mercola's recommendations and I supplemented with D in the form of cod liver oil rarely.  Then I started taking iodine and I had such a dramatic improvement in symptoms that I knew I had been iodine deficient perhaps my entire life.  After 2-3 years of iodine supplemention I am going to get my D levels tested soon.

  • Anonymous

    12/20/2010 12:10:49 PM |

    Susanne
    Please write the name of the test you underwent to find iodine deficient?Is it a routine blood test that nay primary care doc can order?Readers please chime in please

    Regards
    SMK

  • Pater_Fortunatos

    12/20/2010 1:02:01 PM |

    Published less than a month ago:

    Vitamin D deficiency in rheumatoid arthritis: prevalence, determinants and associations with disease activity and disability

    http://arthritis-research.com/content/12/6/R216

  • Anonymous

    12/20/2010 9:58:20 PM |

    "Probably too cold to lay out in a bathing suit."

    Did you try without?
    OK, couldn't resist.

  • Anonymous

    12/20/2010 10:21:05 PM |

    Just a quick question about D3 supplements. I know that dry tabs aren't ideal because they're hard for the body to absorb but what about capsulated powdered D3?

  • Anonymous

    12/21/2010 1:34:06 AM |

    Have an observation using a vitamin D light that I thought to mention.  I take vitamin D capsules and have been doing so for around 5 years.  This winter I decided that I would also use a vitamin D3 light pretty much each day in addition to taking the capsules.  I bought a light sold on Dr Cannell's sight.  I've noticed that sunlight and the artificial D3 light makes me feel warm through out the day, something D3 isn't able to do for me, at least.  And with this cold fall/winter going on right now, this 10 minutes of sunlight is a big plus!    

    Well, there might be a nice bonus from using the light.  I think I'm growing bigger, in a muscular way.  I do work out at a gym and have done so for over 1 years.  Just began the slow burn process last week.  But this muscle growth seems to have started around the time I made a conscious effort to use the indoor light or obtain some sunlight.  

    Anyway, no way to prove, and could be completely wrong about this.  Just something I've noticed as my shirts have grown tighter over the last couple months.  Weight has gone up also by a few pounds. I'm pleased.

  • Jessica

    12/22/2010 7:29:50 PM |

    SMK- the test for iodine that we order in our clinic (family practice) is an iodine loading 24 hour urine test.

    patients take 50 mg of iodoral then capture their urine for the next 24 hours to see how much is excreted.

    There is a 2 week prep, though, that helps ensure the test is accurate.

    Dr. Brownstein (?) has several books on the topic. I think he recommends the load testing method in his book, "Iodine, why we need it, why we can't live without it."

  • Chris Masterjohn

    12/23/2010 2:10:47 AM |

    I'll be posting my comments on the IOM report soon, although this sucker is 999 pages long and taking me a while to read.  I don't think it is at all true that it focuses on "deficiency" instead of "optimal levels."  I think it is quite clearly and very explicitly focused on optimal levels.  

    The IOM claims to not have found sufficient evidence to conclude that higher levels are optimal.  Now, I do believe that there is good enough evidence to act on the hypothesis that levels should be above 30 ng/mL, and my impression so far is that there is very little data supporting an argument for >50 ng/mL as some suggest.  That said, I won't be convinced that the IOM is *wrong* that definitive evidence for greater than 20 ng/mL is lacking until I finish reading the report and look at some of the primary references.

    I do think it's important, however, to exercise the freedom to act on hypotheses.  If we needed definitive evidence for everyone we do, our familial relations and whole lives would fall apart.  Still, I think the IOM had a responsibility to assess the quality of the evidence and only solidify what is definitive into recommendations, as long as those recommendations don't preclude the freedom to use higher levels.

    In any case, hopefully I can finish this bad boy in the next week and blog about it.

    Chris

  • Anonymous

    12/24/2010 3:43:54 AM |

    Isn't anyone concerned about all those studies summarized in the IOM report showing increased mortality at the highest D levels? 50 ng/ml is the highest level that I can justify targeting.

  • Lacey

    12/24/2010 3:17:52 PM |

    Off topic, but...I wish Paleo bloggers were better at spotting and stopping spam comments.

    Blogger Brooklyn said...Awesome Blog!!! blah blah blah blah

    Funny, Brooklyn had the exact same words to say over on Stephan Guyanet's blog:  http://tinyurl.com/2v25wc3

    His wonderful blog that he links back to says, among other things, "In the meantime, they recommend that all people, with or without diabetes, should have a healthy balanced diet, low in fat, salt and sugar with plenty of fruit and vegetables." It's also chock full of plagiarized text.

    Sincere paleo fan or linkspammer?  You be the judge.

  • Travis Culp

    12/25/2010 4:38:25 AM |

    Has anyone tested vitamin D levels in indigenous people? I try to dose about 30 minutes a day of sun during solar noon without a shirt on during the summer and 5000 IU a day for the rest of the year. No idea what my level would be though.

  • Peter

    12/25/2010 12:45:12 PM |

    I'm more concerned about official organizations going beyond the evidence (eat margarine! eat carbs! avoid saturated fat!) than  being over-cautious when there's not a lot of reliable research.

  • Anonymous

    1/4/2011 4:26:38 AM |

    One more comment on my apparently deleted comment - there's a possibiliy I never typed in the word verification code, but I believe I did actually post the comment. Sorry, if I did falsely accuse.

  • Brad Fallon

    3/5/2011 6:08:50 PM |

    Vitamin D Deficiency, what is the best natural source apart from sunshine to help keep the levels up?

  • Anonymous

    3/21/2011 4:15:01 PM |

    I just found my new vitamin store. The prices are the lowest I could find. They gave me a free gift of $5.00 with no minimum purchase and I got free shipping! The code I used at checkout is WIR500. Maybe it will work for you too?

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