Kitchen sink approach for Lp(a)


Lipoprotein(a), Lp(a), can be a tough nut to crack.

Having struggled and wrestled with this genetic pattern for the last 12 years or so in hundreds of patients, I have gained great respect for this difficult to control pattern.

I regard lipoprotein(a) as the number one most aggressive cause for heart disease and coronary plaque known. It can account for heart attacks in men in their 40s, women in their 50s. It can cause heart disease and heart attacks in even the ultra-fit like marathon runners. It accounts for both excessive coronary risk and misleading cholesterol values in slender, healthy-appearing people.

Niacin is the number one treatment choice for Lp(a), followed by testosterone for men, estrogens (preferably human, not horse or other non-human mammal) for women. I then often resort to DHEA, along with adjunctive nutritional agents like raw almonds, ground flaxseed, and others.

Our most recent addition to the Lp(a) treatment list is high-dose fish oil, which appears to exert a significant effect in about 40% of people with Lp(a).

Even with this multi-agent approach, not everybody gains control over Lp(a).

That makes me wonder if someone has Lp(a) at a substantial level of, say, 200 nmol/L or 70 mg/dl (values can differ tremendously, depending on the method of measurement), should we throw everything but the kitchen sink at Lp(a) from the start? Right now, by adding an agent one at a time, it often takes two years to gain control over Lp(a) (if we are going to get it at all).

While many people might find this unpalatable and overwhelming from the starting gate of their program, I do believe it may be a strategy we should consider adopting for full and more immediate plaque control in the Track Your Plaque program. Something to chew on.

Clearly, we need better answers for Lp(a). A "kitchen sink," full-frontal assault might be a way to gain faster control, though not necessarily a superior approach with regards to efficacy and potency.

There are a number of unique, potentially effective therapies for Lp(a) that are worth examining. Given the difficulty of performing clinical trials with non-drug agents (largely a lack of financial support, since nobody gets a financial return with non-patent-protectable agents), I am anxious to put these potential treatments to a test in the Track Your Plaque program Virtual Clinical Trail (VCT). The VCT gives us a quick and relatively easy method to test various potential treatments, with feedback generated in months, rather than years.

Any suggestions on promising agents to test? Of course, they must be widely available nutritional agents, not drugs.

Making Dr. Friedewald an honest man

Colleen started with the usual discrepancy between conventional calculated LDL cholesterol of 121 mg/dl and the far more accurate LDL particle number (NMR) of 1927 nmol/L.

Those of you following this conversation or our many conversations on the Track Your Plaque Forum know that a useful and highly reliable rule-of-thumb for converting NMR LDL particle number to LDL is to drop the last digit: 1927 nmol/L becomes 192 mg/dl. (This is, admitttedly, arrived at empirically, not by design. However, it has held up through thousands of NMR analyses and plays out reasonably when you compare distributions of Friedewald LDL and LDL particle number on a population basis.)

In other words, by this simple manipulation, Colleen's Friedewald calculated LDL is off by 58%. This is very common, a phenomenon I witness several times every day.

By LDL particle size, 75% of all Colleen's LDL particle were abnormally small (small LDL particle number 1440 nmol/L). This is a moderately severe small LDL tendency.

So we took all the steps for reduction of small LDL/LDL, including elimination of wheat and cornstarch, exercise, weight loss (which happens inevitably when wheat and cornstarch are eliminated), fish oil, vitamin D, etc.

Another NMR lipoprotein panel showed an LDL particle number of 882 nmol/L and a Friedewald calculated LDL of 87 mg/dl. Using our rule-of-thumb, LDL by particle number is virtually the same as the calculated LDL. This time, small LDL numbered only 237 nmol/L, or 26.8% of the total, a marked reduction.

Isn't that interesting? As small LDL is corrected, the crude Friedwald calculated LDL approximates the more accurate LDL particle number.

It assumes that accuracy of the Friedewald calculation may be more likely to occur as LDL size approaches normal. However, when LDL size is abnormally small--a condition shared by at least 70% of people with coronary heart disease--then the Friedewald LDL becomes increasingly inaccurate.

The opposite can also happen: When all or nearly all LDL particles are large, Friedewald calculated LDL can markedly overestimate LDL particle number. Yesterday, for instance, a patient had a Friedewald calculated LDL of 183 mg/dl, but an NMR particle number of 1110 nmol/L--drop the zero . . . LDL 110 mg/dl. This woman was advised to take a statin drug by her primary care physician, based on the Friedewald LDL. Instead, she proved to have a far lower LDL. She would not have benefitted from taking a statin drug.

As I've warned many times before: Beware the Friedewald calculated LDL.

Some basic vitamin D issues

The last post on vitamin D raised a number of basic questions among readers. So let me discuss some of these questions one by one. All of them raise important issues surrounding the practical aspects of managing vitamin D in your health.

Anne said:

I think it is important to stress that vitamin D supplementation needs to be continued long term.

I have met too many people who have been prescribed 50,000 IU of D2 for 8-12 weeks and then told to stop because their 23(OH)D went over 30ng/ml. I know one person who's doctor stopped and started the D2 3 times.


Thanks for pointing that out, Anne. Excellent point. I also see doctors do this with statin drugs: start it, check a LDL level which is lower, then think that you're done and stop the drug. What the heck are they thinking?

If vitamin D is not being produced by sun exposure and not obtainable through diet, continued supplementation is necessary, essentially for life.


Twinb asked:

How often you think Vit. D levels should be tested after the initial test is done, especially if the levels are drastically low?

We have used every 6 months in the office. Ideally, levels are in mid-summer and mid- to-late winter in order to gauge the extremes of your seasonal fluctuations. While most adults over 40 fail to fluctuate more than 10 ng/ml in the Wisconsin climate (and this summer, after an initial rainy season early, has been flawlessly bright and sunny, in the high-70s and 80s every single day for months), an occasional person fluctuates more widely. The only way to judge is to check a blood level.


Rich said:

Vitamin D dosage effects appear to be quite idiosyncratic.

Yes, indeed it is. Despite using crude rules-of-thumb, like taking 1000 units of vitamin D per 10 ng/ml desired (a rule I learned from Dr. John Cannell, which he offered fully aware of its inaccuracy), many people will surprise you and have levels that make no sense. Testing is crucial to know your vitamin D level.


Richard asked: Where do we get enough vitamin D wihout worring about laboratory tests?

Well, the entire point of the post was that you absolutely, positively cannot just take vitamin D blindly at any dose and hope that your level is ideal, no more than you can blindly take a dose of thyroid and know you have achieved normal thyroid levels. In my view, vitamin D blood levels are an absolute.


Another simple issue: Don't be afraid of vitamin D. It is, in all practicality, no more dangerous than getting a dark tan. (But, as many of you realize, getting a tan is no assurance of raising vitamin D if you are over 40 years old.)

Wouldn't it be great if someone developed a do-it-yourself-at-home skin test for vitamin D? I know of no effort to develop this, but it would be a huge advantage for all of us.

“How much vitamin D should I take?”

It’s probably the number one most common question I get today:

“How much vitamin D should I take?”

Like asking for investing advice, there are no shortage of people willing to provide answers, most of them plain wrong.

The media are quick to offer advice like “Take the recommended daily allowance of 400 units per day,” or “Some experts say that intake of vitamin D should be higher, as high as 2000 units per day.” Or “Be sure to get your 15 minutes of midday sun.”

Utter nonsense.

The Food and Nutrition Board of the Institute of Medicine has been struggling with this question, also. They have an impossible job: Draft broad pronouncements on requirements for various nutrients by recommending Recommended Daily Allowances (RDA) for all Americans. The Food and Nutrition Board has tried to factor in individual variation by breaking vitamin D requirements down by age and sex, but what amounts to a one-size-fits-nearly-all approach.

Much of the uncertainty over dosing stems from the fact that vitamin D should not be called a “vitamin.” Vitamins are nutrients obtained from foods. But, outside of oily fish, you'll find very little naturally-occurring vitamin D in food. (Even in fish, there is generally no more than 400 units per 4 oz. serving.) Sure, there’s 20 units in an egg yolk and you can activate the vitamin D in a shiitake mushroom by exposing it to ultraviolet radiation. Dairy products like milk (usually) contain vitamin D because the USDA mandates it. But food sources hardly help at all unless you’re an infant or small child.

It all makes sense when vitamin D is viewed as a hormone, a steroid hormone, not a vitamin. Vitamin-no, steroid hormone-D exerts potent effects in tiny quantities with hormone-like action in cells, including activation of nuclear receptors.

It is the only hormone that is meant to be activated by sun exposure of the skin, not obtained through diet. But the ability to activate D is lost by the majority of us by age 40 and even a dark tan is no assurance that sufficient skin prohormone D activation has taken place.

As with any other hormone, such as thyroid, parathyroid, or growth hormones, dose needs to be individualized.

Imagine you developed a severely low thyroid condition that resulted in 30 lbs of weight gain, lose your hair, legs swell, and heart disease explodes. Would you accept that you should take the same dose of thyroid hormone as every other man or woman your age, regardless of your body size, proportion of body fat, metabolism, genetics, race, dietary habits, and other factors that influence thyroid hormone levels? Of course you wouldn’t.

Then why would anyone insist that vitamin D be applied in a one-size-fits-all fashion? (There’s another world in which a one-size-fits-all approach to hormone replacement has been widely applied, that of female estrogen replacement. In conventional practice, there’s no effort to identify need, estrogen-progesterone interactions, nor assess the adequacy of dose, not to mention the perverse non-human preparation used.)

With thyroid hormone, ideal replacement dose of hormone ranges widely from one person to another. Some people require 25 mcg per day of T4; others require 800% greater doses. Many require T3, but not everybody.

Likewise, vitamin D requirements can range widely. I have used anywhere from 1000 units per day, all the way up to 16,000 units per day before desirable blood levels were achieved.

Vitamin D dose needs to be individualized. Factors that influence vitamin D need include body size and percent body fat (both of which increase need substantially); sex (males require, on average, 1000 units per day more than females); age (older need more); skin color (darker-skinned races require more, fairer-skinned races less); and other factors that remain ill-defined.

But these are “rules” often broken. My office experience with vitamin D now numbers nearly 1000 patients. The average female dose is 4000-5000 units per day, average male dose 6000 units per day to achieve a blood level of 60-70 ng/ml, though there are frequent exceptions. I’ve had 98 lb women who require 12,000 units, 300 lb men who require 1000 units, 21-year olds who require 10,000 units. (Of course, this is a Wisconsin experience. However, regional differences in dosing needs diminish as we age, since less and less vitamin D activation occurs.)

Let me reiterate: Steroid hormone-vitamin D dose needs to be individualized.

There’s only one way to individualize your need for vitamin D and thereby determine your dose: Measure a blood level.

Nobody can gauge your vitamin D need by looking at you, by your skin color, size, or other simple measurement like weight or body fat. A vitamin D blood level needs to be measured specifically-period.

Unfortunately, many people balk at this, claiming either that it’s too much bother or that their doctor refused to measure it.

I would rank normalizing steroid hormone-vitamin D as among the most important things you can do for your health. It should never be too much bother. And if your doctor refuses to at least discuss why he/she won’t measure it, then it’s time for a new doctor.

If you’re worried about adding to rising healthcare costs by adding yet another blood test, think of the money saved by sparing you from a future of cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis, diabetes, etc. The cost of a vitamin D blood test is relatively trivial (around $40-50, a fraction of the cost of a one month supply of a drug for diabetes.)

So how much vitamin D should you take? Enough to raise your blood level of 25-hydroxy vitamin D to normal. (We aim for a normal level of 60-70 ng/ml.)

You probably don't take enough fish oil

The results of the recent Heart Scan Blog survey in response to the question: MY DAILY DOSE OF EPA + DHA FROM FISH OIL IS revealed:


Zero--I don't take any
17 (7%) of respondents

Less than 1000 mg per day
24 (10%) of respondents

1000-2000 mg per day
91 (38%) of respondents

2000-3000 mg per day
44 (18%) of respondents

3000-4000 mg per day
40 (16%) of respondents

More than 4000 mg per day
20 (8%) of respondents



Based on the above results, I would say that only a minority of respondents are taking an ideal dose of omega-3 fatty acids. Nearly all of us should consider taking more.

Benefits of omega-3 fatty acids (EPA + DHA) from fish oil begin around a dose of 840 mg per day, according to the GISSI Prevenzione Trial of 1999, an 11,000-participant trial. This dose also corresponds to a quantity of omega-3s that have been shown to raise EPA + DHA blood levels and thereby reduce the notoriously high AA:EPA ratio of Americans.

But what dose is sufficient? What dose is ideal?

Well, the answer to a great degree depends on what you are taking the fish oil for. If being taken to reduce triglycerides and triglyceride-containing lipoproteins, like VLDL and the after-eating (postprandial) IDL, then a higher dose will be necessary. (Triglyceride reduction for the genetically-determined very high triglyceride level of familial hypertriglyceridemia is the FDA-approved indication for prescription Lovaza.)

If you are taking fish oil for treatment of ADHD, depression, or bipolar illness, very high doses are often necessary.

But how about maximal reduction of cardiovascular risk and for control or reversal of atherosclerotic plaque?

This conversation is still evolving. But we can learn some important lessons from three populations of the world that are vigorous consumers of fish:

--The Inuits (aka Eskimos) of Greenland and northern Canada
--The Japanese
--The Bantus of Tanzania who live along Nyasa Lake

All three indigenous populations have several-fold greater intakes of fish and omega-3 fatty acids, have higher blood levels of omega-3 fatty acids, and have enjoyed reduced cardiovascular events, reduced atherosclerotic plaque, or improvement in various surrogates of cardiovascular risk (e.g., Lp(a)).

The most recent addition to this conversation is the ERA JUMP Study, discussed in a previous Heart Scan Blog post. In ERA JUMP, despite being heavy smokers and having other markers for greater risk for heart disease, Japanese men living in Japan had markedly less carotid and coronary plaque, as compared to Caucasian men living in PIttsburgh or Hawaiian men of Japanese descent. The difference appeared to be attributable to serum levels of omega-3 fatty acids.

I believe that the trend is here is to increase the amount of omega-3 fatty acids that most of us take. In the Track Your Plaque program, we have been advocating a rock-bottom starting dose of EPA + DHA of 1200 mg per day. However, I believe that this is due for a change.

We will be increasing the minimum dose for plaque regression and control. Please attend our Webinar this evening for a full, in-depth discussion of the rationale behind this important change.

As always, let me remind you that I am not selling, nor ever have sold, fish oil supplements. If I advocate a specific dose, a higher dose, I do so based on my interpretation of the data and experience with patients, not because I am interested in selling brand X of fish oil.

Vitamin D and HDL

Despite the paucity of scientific documentation of this phenomenon, I am continuing to witness extraordinary increases in HDL cholesterol levels with vitamin D supplementation.

I've touched on the interaction of vitamin D supplementation with HDL in The Heart Scan Blog previously:

Vitamin D: Treatment for metabolic syndrome?

HDL for Dummies


At first, I thought it was attributable to other factors. In real life, most people don't modify one factor at a time. They reduce
processed carbohydrates/eliminate wheat and cornstarch, lose weight, add or increase omega-3 fatty acids from fish oil, begin niacin, increase exercise and physical activity. All these efforts also impact on HDL.

Among the many things I do, I consult on complex lipid (cholesterol) disorders (complex hyperlipidemias) in my office. A substantial number of these people carry a diagnosis of hypoalphalipoproteinemia, a mouthful that simply means these people are unable to manufacture much apoprotein A1, the principal protein of HDL cholesterol particles. As a result, people with hypoalphalipoproteinemia have HDL cholesterol levels in the neighborhood of 20-30 mg/dl--very low. They are also at high risk for heart disease and stroke.

Encourage these people to exercise, attain ideal weight, eliminate wheat and cornstarch: HDL increases 5 mg/dl or so.

Add niacin, HDL increases another 5-10 mg/dl.

Perhaps we're now sitting somewhere around an HDL of 35-40 mg/dl--better, but hardly great.

Add vitamin D to achieve our target serum level . . . HDL jumps to 50, 60, 70, even 90 mg/dl.

The first few times this occurred, I thought it was an error or fluke. But now that I've witnessed this effect many dozens of time, I am convinced that it is real. Just today, I saw a 40-year old man whose starting HDL was 25 mg/dl increase to 87 mg/dl.

Responses like this are supposed to be impossible. Before vitamin D, I had never witnessed increases of this magnitude.

Not all therapies for raising HDL raise the important large (also known as HDL2b) fraction. With lipoprotein analyses, it appears that is principally the large fraction of HDL that rises with vitamin D supplementation.

Why? How?

That I can't tell you. But for those of you struggling with low HDL cholesterols despite your best efforts, vitamin D can make a world of difference.

An interesting corollary: If super-high HDL cholesterols are associated with extreme longevity, as they are with centenarians, does raising HDL to extraordinary levels with vitamin D lead to longer, healthier life, all the way up to age 110 years?

Again, no answers, but an interesting thought. And one I'd bet on. (And I'm not selling vitamin D.)

Weight loss and blood pressure

Here's another thought with regards to time issues with weight loss: reductions in blood pressure (BP).

The previous post talked about how triglycerides initially go up, sometimes way up, when weight drops, only to be followed months later by substantial drops. HDL initially drops in response to the triglyceride fluctuations, only to be followed by a rise.

Blood pressure also shows a curious pattern that is largely dependent on age.

Say someone in their 20s or 30s, for instance, loses 30 lbs (through elimination of wheat and cornstarch, say). BP usually drops within a few weeks, perhaps a month or two at most.

How about someone in their 70s? Say a substantial amount of weight is lost, say 50 lbs over 6 months. BP does indeed drop, but it may require 6 months or longer after weight plateaus for the full effects of BP-reduction to be fully expressed. But it will eventually drop.

Why the age-dependent difference?

It relates to the capacity of arteries to remain flexible and distensible. Over the years, cross-linking of collagen (a structural protein), glycation (glucose molecules attaching to proteins), loss of endothelial responsiveness to generate artery-dilating substances like nitric oxide, and arterial atherosclerotic plaque all all up to making older arteries less able to "relax" and BP to drop.

But given time and the proper effort, BP will eventually drop. Awareness of this time effect can help most people decide better when medications are necessary or if weight loss alone is sufficient to reach BP goals.

"I lost 30 lbs and my triglycerides went . . . up?"

Brad needed to lose weight.

At 6 ft tall, he began the program at 291 lbs, easily 80 lbs overweight. He wore virtually all of it in his belly.

He had laboratory numbers to match: HDL 33 mg/dl, triglycerides 225 mg/dl, LDL (calculated) 144 mg/dl, blood sugar 122 mg/dl (fasting--clearly "pre-diabetic"), c-reactive protein 3.0 mg/dl. Among his lipoprotein abnormalities: small LDL representing 80% of all LDL (no surprise).

Readers of The Heart Scan Blog know that these are the patterns of the carbohydrate-indulgent. I asked Brad to eliminate all wheat flour products, all foods made with cornstarch, and follow a diet rich in healthy oils, raw nuts, vegetables, and lean meats.

Brad returned for a discussion about follow-up basic lipids (cholesterol) values four months later--31 lbs lighter, most of it clearly lost from his abdomen. He claimed he felt more energetic and clear-headed than he had in years.

His lipid panel: HDL 34 mg/dl, LDL 122 mg/dl, triglycerides 295 mg/dl. Brad's smile dissolved. "How could that happen? You said losing weight would make my HDL go up and my triglycerides go down!"

Yes, I had said that. But I was oversimplifying.

The truth is that, when there is weight loss, especially profound weight loss like Brad experienced eliminating wheat and cornstarch products, there is mobilization of fat stores. Fat is stored energy. Energy is stored as . . . triglycerides.

So when there is substantial weight loss, there is a flood of triglycerides in the blood, and triglyceride levels in the midst of weight loss can commonly jump up, not uncommonly to the 200-300+ mg/dl range. When triglycerides go up, there is also a drop in HDL (triglycerides interact with HDL particles, modify their structure and make them more readily destroyed, thereby dropping blood levels). Occasionally, substantial weight loss like Brad experienced will drop HDL really low, as low as the 20's.

Once weight stabilizes, this effect can last up to 2 months before correcting. Only then will triglycerides drop and HDL rise. The rise in HDL occurs even more slowly, requiring several more months to plateau.

In other words, weight loss like Brad's causes triglycerides to increase and HDL to decrease, to be followed later by a drop in triglycerides and a rise in HDL.

I know of no way to block this phenomenon. And perhaps we shouldn't, since this is how fat stores are mobilized and "burned off." Fish oil does blunt the triglyceride rise (perhaps through activation of lipoprotein lipase, an enzyme responsible for clearance of triglycerides), but doesn't eliminate it.

I call these changes "transitional" changes in lipids.

Patience pays. A few more months from now, Brad's numbers will be much happier, as will Brad.

Divorce court for the doctor-patient relationship?

The doctor-patient relationship has gone sour.

This probably comes as no surprise to most of you, particularly if you've been following conversations here in The Heart Scan Blog:

Who is your doctor? discussing the emergence of the physician-as-hospital-employee phenomenon that causes your doctor to become the de facto portal (seller?) of hospital services to you, a model fraught with conflicts of interest.

Exploitation of trust, my observation that the enormous gap in heart disease prevention between the woefully ignorant (by necessity) level of sophistication of the primary care physician and the procedure-obsessed cardiologist leads to an exploitation of humans-for-heart-procedures because of the failure to institute genuine preventive efforts.

Bait and switch , a description of how a minor test or symptom can reap a bonanza of medical testing; a $20 "screening" test yields $10's of thousands in hospital procedures. If it were entirely due to the imprecision of medical testing and detection of disease, that might be forgivable. But it often is not: It has become utterly distorted by the profit model.



Lest you think that I am a kook ranting off in some backwoods corner (Milwaukee), here are the comments of New York Times' Health Editor Tara Parker-Pope in a series called Doctor and Patient, Now at Odds:

Lately I've been hearing a lot from patients who are frustrated, angry, and distrustful of doctors. Their feelings speak to a growing disconnect between doctors and patients and worries that drug companies, insurance rules, and hospital cost-cutting are influencing the care and advice that doctors provide.

Research shows that even among patients who like their personal physicians, there is a simmering distrust of the medical system and the doctors who work inside it.


(There's also a series of candid video interviews with people who echo these sentiments.)

There are a number of reasons for this increasing "disconnect," some of them articulated by Ms. Parker-Pope, others detailed in my blog posts.

The solutions, however, will not be found by advancing technology: the newest robotic surgery, a better defibrillator, a new statin drug, the next best chemotherapeutic agent. It will not be found by adding a new wing to the hospital. It will not be found by the reorganization of healthcare delivery achieved by converting primary care and specialty practice into an arm of hospital care. It will not be improved by employing "hospitalists." It will not emerge from legislation controlling insurance company practices. It certainly will not come from increasing marketing dollars spent by drug companies (who make $4 for every $1 spent on direct-to-consumer marketing).

The solutions will come from shifting the idea of care from a paternalistic, "I'm the doctor and I'll tell you what to do" approach, to the doctor-as-advocate-and-supporter of the patient. The physician should act as someone with a particular sort of expertise that can advise a patient.

But a caveat: The patient MUST be informed.

Proper information will not originate with the doctor. It will originate with internet-based information portals and tools that help you understand the issues, often with far greater depth than your doctor could ever provide. The physician needs to accept this role, one of advocate, adviser, but not of being in charge, not of viewing the patient as profit-center, not as an opponent in a power struggle.

Sadly, the last few years in online information portals has been dominated by the drug company-dominated websites like WebMD, nothing more than a deliverer of the conventional wisdom with nothing whatsoever aimed towards empowering patients in a self-directed healthcare model.

Some people call the emerging new empowered and information-armed patient Medicine 2.0. Unfortunately, Medicine 2.0 will first benefit the intellectual upper crust of Americans, the web-savvy and motivated to engage in health issues. But, give it 10 years, and we will witness the effects on an unprecedented broad scale. Part of the Information Age is acceleration of information dissemination. Imagine your children, facile with a computer mouse, posting comments on FaceBook, doing homework with Google and Wikipedia, now turning their attentions to health.

It will be a startling change.

In the meantime, be wary. Be empowered. Think increasingly about self-direction in your health.


In a comment to the Bait and switch post, Jennytoo offered an insightful response:

You are getting to the essence of the problem, and it's not just cardiology that is rife with what is, at bottom, malpractice.

There is little incentive for the profession as a whole to know anything about or promote prevention, and many incentives from hospitals, drug and insurance companies to stick with the status quo or to change it in their corporate favor. The formulaic, conventional statements purporting to be guidelines for prevention that are put out by various interest groups and in such publications as hospital-sponsored newsletters ("eat a 'balanced diet', avoid stress, etc.") are useless sops to the concept of prevention.

It is, and I fear is going to remain, up to motivated individuals, both physicians and patients, to reshape the system, and it's going to be a long frustrating struggle.

It's my personal conviction that if just 4 things were promoted to the public, and people actually practiced them, we could change the health profiles of the majority of people in this country for the better within two years or less. They are:

(1) education on and promotion of a true low-carbohydrate, whole foods, diet,
(2) measurement and supplementation of Vitamin D3,
(3) supplementation with DHA/EPA (found in Fish Oils), and
(4) measurement and supplementation of intracellular magnesium.

I am not a health professional, and others may want to add to this list, but I don't think any strong case can be made against any of the items. The wonderful and hopeful thing is that each of us can implement them ON OUR OWN, and thereby take charge of our own well-being. (The Life Extension Foundation is one organization which provides access to lab tests you can request on your own.)

If you have a physician who is willing and capable of being your partner, you are richly blessed, and that is the ideal we all should hope for. But in the more likely event that you do not have such a physician, and if your physician demonstrates little potential for becoming one, think about firing the one you have and finding another.

Sometimes we are forced by circumstances, particularly urgent ones, to deal with physicians who are not ideal, but the main impetus for change will come from us, the patients, and the expectations we communicate to our individual doctors. In the meantime, we can be self-reliant in our own prevention practices.


Wow. A woman after my own heart.

How much fish oil is enough?


This post just furthers this line of thinking out loud: How much fish oil is "enough"?

Observations over the last 30 years followed this path: If a little bit of omega-3 fatty acids from fish are beneficial in reducing cardiovascular events, and a moderate intake is even better, is even more better? When have we reached a plateau? When do adverse effects outweigh the benefits?

Some insight can be gained through studies that examined blood levels of omega-3s. Let's take a look at some data from 2002, a comparison of men dying from heart disease vs. controls in the Physicians' Health Study, Blood Levels of Long-Chain n–3 Fatty Acids and the Risk of Sudden Death.

This is a table that shows the blood levels of various fatty acids Group with sudden death vs Control Group:




Several observations jump out:

--The total omega-3 blood content differed significantly, 4.82 vs 5.24% ("Total long-chain n-3 polyunsaturated")
--Total omega-6 content did not differ
--Arachidonic acid (AA) content did not differ
--Linolenic acid content did not differ (i.e., plant sourced omega-3)

The fact that neither omega-6 nor arachidonic acid content differed counters the argument that Simopoulos has made that the omega-6 to omega-3 ratio (intake, not blood levels) is what counts. It also argues against the EPA to AA ratio (and similar manipulations) that some have argued is important. In this study, only the omega-3 level itself made a difference; no ratio was necessary to distinguish sudden death victims vs controls.

Further, quartiles of omega-3 blood levels showed graded reductions of risk:




An omega-3 blood level of 6.87% conferred greatest risk reduction. Depending on the model of statistical analysis, risk reductions of up to 81-90% were observed. Wow.

Taken at face value, this study would argue that:

--An omega-3 fatty acid blood level of 6.87% (or greater?) is ideal
--The omega-3 fatty acid blood level stands alone as a predictor without resorting to any further manipulation of numbers, such as relating EPA and/or DHA to AA levels.

Of course, this is just one study, though an important one. It is also not a study based on any intervention, just an observational effort. But it does add to our understanding.


We will develop these issues further in our upcoming Track Your Plaque Webinar on Wednesday, August 20th, 2008.
Diarrhea, asthma, arthritis--What is your wheat re-exposure syndrome?

Diarrhea, asthma, arthritis--What is your wheat re-exposure syndrome?

Have you experienced a wheat re-exposure syndrome?

As I recently discussed, gastrointestinal distress--cramps, gas, diarrhea--is the most common "syndrome" that results from re-exposure to wheat after a period of elimination.

Others experience asthma, sinus congestion and infections, mental "fogginess" and difficulty concentrating, or joint pains and/or overt swelling.

Still others say there is no such thing.

Let's take a poll and find out what readers say.

Comments (52) -

  • d

    1/30/2011 2:09:02 PM |

    I don't have a "re-exposure story", rather an avoidance story.

    I used to have terrible cold weather, exercise induced asthma.  After nordic skiing I would be wheezing, coughing, sucking on albuterol and begging for low dose corticosteroids.  I also had terrible acid reflux.

    Fast forward:Wheat free for over 6 months.  No more asthma, no reflux.  Period.  End of story.

    Is it the wheat?  Can't say for sure, but it's awfully suspicious.

  • Sassy

    1/30/2011 2:33:05 PM |

    Reflux -- starts a day later and goes for up to a week.  And Bloat:2-5 inches on my waistline in a day, lasting up to three.  Miserable.  And why, having experienced this once, have I done it often enough to verify the connection with certainty?  I am working on that one.

  • Lori Miller

    1/30/2011 3:21:09 PM |

    Last year, I had a cookie after a few months' being wheat-free. It gave me a stomach ache, acid reflux for two days and sinus congestion for four. No more wheat for me.

  • Anonymous

    1/30/2011 3:26:17 PM |

    Wheat increased hunger with even with only a small amount. Crackers in soup was enough to set it off.

    Also, when I was trying to get off wheat, I noticed that 2eggs and 2bacon and I could go 5 hours before hunger, or 2eggs and 2bacon and toast was good for three hours before hunger. That was the final step to giving up wheat. Now three years and 59 Kg loss later, there is no doubt in my mind that wheat is evil, and I do not regard it as suitable for human food. I speculate that it increases ghrelin or cortisol.

  • Anna

    1/30/2011 4:42:54 PM |

    For me, in the two years since I began eating Gluten-Free (Low Carb for 6 years), the few times I've had re-exposure to wheat, I've experienced fast onset and intense abdominal pain (known exposure during the daytime) and heartburn, indigestion, intense nausea, and disrupted sleep (exposures during evening meal not discovered until the next day).  

    My husband wants to think he's fine with wheat (though I know that he has at least one gene that predisposes to celiac), but IMO, he isn't.  He eats no wheat at home because that's the default, and he's OK with that.  But if he goes out to dinner at a restaurant that serves "good" artisan bread, he  will indulge in a few bites (he does restrict his carb intake, so it's still a limited amount).  More often than not, he will sleep fitfully on those nights, snore more, and wake in the night with indigestion.  He wants to bury his head in the sand and will only acknowledge the discomfort being due to eating too many carbs, not the wheat itself.  I notice he sleeps fine if he eats a small amount of potato or rice.  Go figure.  

    Our 12 yo son has been eating GF for two years also.  About 6 months into GF, he unknowingly ate wheat a number of times (licorice candy laces at a friend's house), which  resulted in outbreaks of canker sores in his mouth each time.   He also exhibits mood and behavior changes when he eats wheat, which is what prompted me to test him for gluten intolerance in the first place.

  • Anonymous

    1/30/2011 5:15:49 PM |

    I need to be able to choose more than 1 option in the poll. The top 3 choices are me. If I just eat a little, I only get GI symptoms followed by sinus headache. If I eat more, then I get arthritis symptoms (first diagnosed when I was 13. Now that I avoid wheat, it's gone unless I re-expose myself).

  • Dr. William Davis

    1/30/2011 5:56:07 PM |

    I see now that I should have added two more choices: 1) More than one of the above, and 2) "other," i.e., effects not listed.

    Anyway, we'll have to make do. I believe we can still get a useful non-scientific sense of what readers have experienced.

  • Kurt

    1/30/2011 6:18:10 PM |

    I eliminated wheat on your suggestion over a year ago. Occasional re-exposure (usually dining out) has no effect on me.

  • Mark__S

    1/30/2011 7:14:17 PM |

    If I go for 3-4 days without wheat, grains or sugar and then go out and binge on a pizza and ice cream or something like that I become explosive within 20 minutes to an hour.  It's like a wheat and sugar rage.(I'm not saying this is an excuse for rage, I'm saying it has happened to me and I believe partly do to re-exposure)  It seems the combination of the wheat plus sugar can be the worst.  
    I get red rashes around my neck sometimes right away and sometimes up to a day or later and sometimes get bad diarrhea.  
    I think it can be almost dangerous to cut things like gluten and sugar suddenly out of the diet without being very serious about keeping them out. I have found it very hard to cut out wheat without binging on it later after 4 or 5 days. I don't believe that my symptoms are just psychological either.
    I was also diagnosed with ADHD as a young kid and then rediagnosed with adult ADHD by 3 different doctors.  I also have bouts of mania at times too.  I am considering trying to go completely gluten/refined carbohydrate free to see if it helps with the symptoms and gives me some relief.
    I have never been tested for celiac or gluten intolerance but I would like to be. I think it would help explain to my girlfriend, family and friends why I can't go out and eat pizza or have a beer or ice cream.  Right now they all think I'm a hypochondriac.

  • Anonymous

    1/30/2011 7:20:19 PM |

    Braing fogm clogged nose and slower bowel movement.

    Why i dont get diarrhea when eating wheat?

  • Mark__S

    1/30/2011 7:29:44 PM |

    Would like to add at times I have experienced an intense fatigue the next day like I can't wake up and also sharp pains in my body and headaches.

  • Anonymous

    1/30/2011 7:36:50 PM |

    I ditched wheat a year ago after my wife was diagnosed celiac. I immediately experienced a number of health improvements (blood lipids, sleep, allergies, etc.).

    Fast forward: We all suffered some inadvertent wheat exposure yesterday via some chocolate covered Brazil nuts (of all things). This accidental A-B-A experimental design resulted in the following:

    1. My celiac wife experienced what she calls "the flip" within an hour of exposure(i.e., intense GI distress).
    2. My five-year-old son went to bed with some wicked reflux.
    3. I woke up with some twinges in my lower back and an ache in my football-weary left shoulder. I was also complaining to my wife about fuzzy-headedness that refused to respond to caffeine or hydration. I could only describe it as "carb  flu"...

    And then I read your post!

  • Anne

    1/30/2011 8:13:38 PM |

    Depression, agitation and brain fog if I get glutened. Some times this comes with abdominal pain and a rash on my back - I think it is dose dependent. Cross contamination with wheat is a big issue when eating out. Needless to say, I eat out infrequently and then try to stick with the restaurants that are the most aware of gluten issues.

  • terrence

    1/30/2011 8:42:03 PM |

    Several weeks ago, I started Robb Wolf's 30 day challenge.

    The first two weeks were brutal - calling it a withdrawal flu was a massive understatement. So, I thought I would try some wheat and see what happened (could not be worse, I thought). Well, it was.

    I still felt extremely crappy, but I was now MASSIVELY GASSY - AMAZINGLY GASSY, for about 48 hours - flatulence on wheels, in spades.  I did not go out at all in those 48 hours - when the gas came on, it went out, LONG, and QUICKLY and LOUDLY.

    I am easing back into wheat and grain free. I am gluten free today and tomorrow (Sunday and Monday). I expect to try a small amount of wheat on Thursday, then maybe a little more the following Thursday.

  • Anonymous

    1/30/2011 8:42:45 PM |

    After being wheat-free for almost a year, I have intestinal pain and inflammation after re-exposure to wheat. And higher blood glucose for a day or two (type 2 diabetic).

  • reikime

    1/30/2011 9:50:05 PM |

    reading this makes me wonder- how many people with re-exposure symptoms actually have a problem with gluten versus just wheat?

    It would be interesting to see if some of you are still symptom free if you ingest say barley, or rye, while remaining wheat free.  
    Just a thought...I do agree with all Dr D says about wheat, but it does beg the question as to how many are truly GLUTEN intolerant.

  • Donald Kjellberg

    1/30/2011 10:43:09 PM |

    I have limited wheat consumption severely over the last 8 months. I have lost 120 pounds, no longer have bouts of illness, asthma, depression, or low energy. I also take vitamin D and other supplements that have helped (many are from your blog recommendations).

    Last week I ate a small piece of cake and dessert pizza. Shortly thereafter I started sneezing, had a scratchy throat, and runny nose. I called off sick the next day for fear of being contagious. My symptoms subsided quickly and I am now attributing them to the processed flour eaten at my work luncheon. I think it was an allergic reaction since I recall having much more severe symptoms fairly regularly in my wheat eating days. Those were attributed to an "allergy" of unknown origin back then.

  • Dr. William Davis

    1/31/2011 1:04:30 AM |

    The comments to this blog post and poll are incredible!

    I should re-post them in a blog post to highlight all the varied versions of wheat re-exposure.

    The range of benefits with wheat elimination and the effects of wheat re-exposure are truly incredible. Look at what commenter Donald Kjellberg had to say: 120 lbs lost!

    Not everybody, of course, loses 120 lbs. But what other food, when eliminated, has the power to do this in select individuals? Then makes them sick on re-exposure?

  • John Fernandes

    1/31/2011 1:42:24 AM |

    I suffered from Ankylosing Spondylitis, Iritis, Plantar Fasciits, etc for a number of years. I restricted carbs, especially wheat and I've been symptom free for the past two years now.

    The whole story on the KickAS forums here: http://www.kickas.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=427748#Post427748

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    1/31/2011 2:20:31 AM |

    Lot's of confounders to consider. Lest I be thought of as a wheat apologist troll my wheat and grain consumption is limited (rice less so).

    Any food item we omit will shift our gut bacteria away from those that thrived on that food. Others will then pre-dominate;  and so, to re-expose after (say) 3 days some of us won't have the same % protein degrading bacteria to handle the wheat protein fragments and more gaseous fermentative bacteria.

    Wheat preparation is another thing and ingredients consumed at the same time can also make a difference. I think of yogurt/kefir and white/brown sugar as modulators; rather than meats/vegetables, which can interact with digestion in their own way and alter the synergy. This is not to contradict individual testimonials of their reactions; nor contest an experiment where wheat all alone is eaten and neither to ignore genetic factors .

    Then there is the doseage factor regarding how much at one time is ingested. Some are prone to inflammatory reactions; their threshold may be linked to excessively stimulating co-existant fungii colonizing their intestine.

    The breeding of wheat is something this blog has helped me understand. Cutting it out entirely for health reasons is for many a simple strategy I hadn't seen clinicaly used. It won't make sense to third world poor however; largely since the "hygenic" hypothesis implicates our immune systems as part of the problem.


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  • Anonymous

    1/31/2011 2:27:57 AM |

    My nemesis is processed grains.  Have always tended toward obesity and have only been able to control my weight by minimizing processed foods and by doing a lot of exercise.  Low carb didn't work for me.

    My other nemesis is my 92 yr-old mother's sweet tooth.  Don't have the will power to resist all the junk food she demands, yet I'm her caregiver, and don't have the heart to deny her her sweets.  Have gained about 25# since moving in with her.  She may outlive me.

    Am now experimenting with substituting chia seed for my usual oat/barley porridge.

  • Lori Miller

    1/31/2011 4:21:43 AM |

    I found wheat to be one of the worst things for giving me gas bloating and acid reflux, and I'd had sinus and nasal congestion my whole life. When I ate that cookie, it just re-introduced old problems. I can occasionally eat a gluten-free, grainy goody at my party place without any side effects. I also have a little sprouted rice protein powder every day.

    Another odd thing about wheat: it was hard for me to stop eating it once I started. I could go through a whole box of cookies in one sitting, even though I wasn't a binge eater. But I can have a couple of gluten-free cookies and stop.

  • Paul

    1/31/2011 4:51:19 AM |

    Except for one slip up this recently past holiday season, I've been sugar-grain-starch free since July 2008.  Mental fog was the most noticable re-exposure symptom I had.

    My mom has had the worst acid-reflux for 40-plus years.  It had become so bad that she was on three medications just to deal with the symptoms. After much training and coaxing, I finally got across to her how to totally get off wheat.  Not at all to my surprise, after being wheat free for a few weeks, she lost weight and her acid reflux was GONE!

    But she had been addicted to wheat for so long, she relapsed, and the reflux fire soon returned.  Wheat must be akin to heroin with some people.  Even though they know it's very bad for them, they can't help themselves.

  • Onschedule

    1/31/2011 6:51:39 AM |

    Re-exposure often leads to diarrhea for me, or such a heavy feeling of tiredness that all I can do is lay down and pass out. A local pizzeria makes a darn good pie, but since I started practicing wheat-avoidance, I can't keep my eyes open after eating there. I can't say for sure that it's the wheat causing it, but definitely something in the crust. Diarrhea, on the other hand, is definitely triggered by the wheat for me.

    My mom complained of gastric reflux for years, but never filled the prescriptions that her doctors would give her. I suggested wheat-avoidance- gastric reflux disappeared within 3 days and hasn't returned (has been 6 months now). I've already commented elsewhere on this blog about how much weight and bloating she has lost...

  • Onschedule

    1/31/2011 6:59:38 AM |

    Some readers have suggested that changes in gut bacteria play a role here, and I tend to agree. When my mother stopped eating wheat, her years of gastric reflux symptoms ceased. Yet, her blood test for H. Pylori, taken one month after stopping wheat and cessation of symptoms, was positive for antibodies (indicating past or present infection) and her subsequent breath test was positive for current infection.

    So, for my mother, H. Pylori + wheat = gastric reflux symptoms, and H. Pylori without wheat = no symptoms. It would be interesting to know if the H. Pylori would have disappeared after a longer period without wheat as her intestinal bacteria changed...

  • steve.brand

    1/31/2011 9:47:03 AM |

    Interesting that I should sit down, turn on my computer and find your poll. Having gone several weeks, maybe months, avoiding gluten, I took my daughter and her boyfriend out to eat because my wife has been working late at the office lately. Although I was thinking I would just eat my steak and chicken, I succumbed to the temptation of eating about a dozen greasy, breaded shrimp that my daughter and her boyfriend ordered. It's 1:39am and I still do not feel sleepy. My left nostril is completely blocked, my stomach feels bloated, really, really full and I've been burping. In your poll I checked sinus problems but could have chose gastrointestinal or nervous problems just as well. A few weeks ago my daughter brought home a pizza and, once again, despite my knowing that I shouldn't, I ate a couple of pieces. I was sick for two days. The pain in what I think was my transverse colon was so bad I thought I might have to go to ther emergency room. Before I ate the pizza I had never gone grain-free that long before. I did this after reading Robb Wolf's book. I AM CONVINCED. No more wheat for me! Please, Lord, give me strength.

  • Judy B

    1/31/2011 2:35:58 PM |

    It is very interesting to read the comments here.  I have been LC for almost 4 years but have cheated sometimes (at restaurants).  I have had intestinal distress but never considered that it was from the wheat...

    RE: Pizza - Just don't eat the crust.  We still get pizza and eat the toppings with a fork!

  • brec

    1/31/2011 3:28:42 PM |

    "Still others say there is no such thing."

    Really?  I hadn't noticed anyone saying that.  I, like a few others, reported that I, myself, did not experience symptoms from very occasional wheat re-exposure.

  • msluyter

    1/31/2011 3:39:47 PM |

    When I eat wheat, I often have diarrhea the next day. And I am hungrier, I believe.

  • charlie

    1/31/2011 5:21:38 PM |

    Again, 90% of this is pure mental.

    Interesting the vote results are mostly on GI distress.

    I'd suggest a couple additional matrixes:

    1:  How long have you gone without wheat
    2:  How much wheat did you consume?
    3:  How neutrotic are you?

    I went without wheat for 2-3 days last week.  Had a bad day on Thursday -- stuck at home with little food to eat, so had some WASA whole wheat crackers. Yuck.  Noticed some gassiness but nothing rising to the level of pain.

    I do suspect it mostly is internal flora, but that shouldn't change in 2-3 days.  If you are cramping and shitting after eating some breadcrumps, you either have celiac or some severe mental problems.

    Remains a good idea to advise people to give up wheat -- so prevalent is US diet and easy way to lose weight.  Hard to see it being a long term problem if not abused.

    I remember stories of Indians during 1940's famine being unable to eat wheat while starving. Extreme example -- people who didn't eat wheat for 6000+ years being forced into it.  However, 50 years later common diet item.  Obesity is out of control but that is as much from 10x as many caloric units being available as in the 1930 (i.e. people don't starve to death like they used to)

  • Matt

    1/31/2011 5:37:14 PM |

    "Effects not listed" for me.  I am OK on minimal wheat but when I cross a certain threshold, my eczema flares a week or two later, and my asthma sometimes returns.

  • terrence

    1/31/2011 6:13:37 PM |

    On January 31, 2011, Charlie said... "Again, 90% of this is pure mental."

    Your psychic ability or your plain old unfounded, indeed unfoundable, presumptuousness would be really funny - if you were trying to be funny.

    But, I think you really mean "Again, 90% of this is pure mental."  Even though you do not have a clue as to whether or not anything described by others on this or any other blog really is, "90% of this is pure mental."

    I think the main question you should ask yourself is, "3: How neutrotic are you?" Charlie, can you figure out how to use a spell checker? "neutrotic". HAH.

    Charlie, you actually made the statement, "Again, 90% of this is pure mental." You know NOTHING about most, if not ALL, of the people who comment here. Yet, that you actually think you know what goes on in their minds! Do you use a crystal ball to make your divinations, Charlie?  

    You even made the more ridiculous statement that, “you either have celiac or some severe mental problems.” Your POMPOUS, SELF-RIGHTEOUS PRETENTIOUSNESS is risible, Charlie, RISIBLE!  If anyone on this post has “severe mental problems” Charlie, it is you, and only YOU.  

    I expect you are the same “Charlie” who made a complete fool out of himself on Stephan Guyenet’s blog by spewing similar complete and utter nonsense about “honesty”.

    What you are doing here, as on SG’s site, is called “projection”. What you do not like about yourself, but are afraid to acknowledge in yourself, you project onto others, and claim it is they who have  â€œsevere mental problems” and that “90% of this is pure mental”. So, Charlie; it is YOU who should deal with YOUR mental state, and stop projecting it onto other people, whom you know NOTHING about!

  • Anastasia

    2/1/2011 12:36:37 AM |

    Just like Might-o'chondri-al (what a mouthful!) mentioned, it's hard to tease out the confounders. I don't sit down and munch on some wheat stalks on my off days. These are the occasions when I allow myself to indulge in delicious croissants, scrumptious shortbread tarts and traditional Australian carrot cake (if you do something bad, you might as well be good at it). These very occasional indulgences, apart from containing wheat, also have other NADs, to use Dr Kurt's phrase, that I routinely avoid: sugar, maybe HFCS, maybe some trans fats, maybe some other additives/chemicals I'm not aware of. I know the fall-out: pimples within 24 hrs, flatulence, ankle oedema and headache. I would be hesitant to blame just one ingredient as tempting as it is to indict wheat. But I am not prepared to run an experiment involving me, wheat husks and gluten-free cookies Smile

  • Anonymous

    2/1/2011 1:44:25 AM |

    I'll submit "other".

    No overt symptoms, but since limiting
    carbs generally, wheat specifically,
    my A1C stays in the low 5s, and my
    insulin requirement is half what it was...

    Suits me.

    Jack

  • Hans Keer

    2/1/2011 8:53:13 AM |

    What if you have multiple symptoms? Grains are a disaster for a lot of people I know: http://www.cutthecarb.com/your-daily-bread-pasta-and-pizza-are-killing-you/

  • Laura

    2/1/2011 1:48:20 PM |

    For those worried about their blood sugar levels, may I recommend this: chana dal

    And here is an interesting article on this food:

    http://www.mendosa.com/chanadal.html

  • Anonymous

    2/1/2011 2:00:27 PM |

    From: http://www.mendosa.com/chanadal.html

    "Tim writes, "While I was in Tesco ( Britain's largest supermarket) I checked on the nutritional information panel on the back of a packet of Chana Dal. It was:

            "100g = 1404kj or 332kcal
            protein 23.1g
            carbo 48.2g
            fat 6.5g
            fibre 10.0g""

    But the Chana Dal currently on sale states the nutritional composition as:

    Energy kCal 298kCal
    Energy kJ 1,264kJ
    Protein 24.0g
    Carbohydrate 59.7g
    of which sugars 2.2g
    Fat 3.1g
    of which saturates 0.3g
    Fibre 16.1g
    Sodium Trace


    http://www.mysupermarket.co.uk/tesco-price-comparison/Rice_Pulses_And_Grain/Natco_Chana_Dal_2Kg.html

  • LV

    2/1/2011 3:12:11 PM |

    What don't I experience!  I typically avoid wheat (and gluten for that matter) as I'm pretty sure it makes me sick, but when I slip (or someone else slips me some) I end up with massive amounts of joint swelling and tenderness, diarhea, cramping, gas, bloating and brain fog.  I'm absolutely miserable.  Just that alone is enough to keep me off gluten. I have RA, so if I have repeated exposures I'll have a flare which SUCKS!

  • Anonymous

    2/1/2011 6:36:36 PM |

    Like clockwork, I get massive pain in one or both hips with certain movements when I deviate from a low-wheat regimen. I also get heartburn, and difficulty sleeping as well. All are very good reasons to stay off the grain, for me.

  • Anonymous

    2/1/2011 6:51:03 PM |

    depends if it is a fleeting re exposure of prolonged. no symptoms in former and in latter i get weight gain and a crackling but not painful back but im young so that explains the the painlessness. 26 yo.quiv

  • Dr. William Davis

    2/2/2011 12:36:16 AM |

    The varied responses to wheat re-exposure could literally fill a book.

    What is amazing is that this is just a "food"--it's not a poison, medication, or some foreign chemical like a pesticide. It's just wheat.

    I know that someone like Charlie would come on and say something like "it's all in your head." I hear this all the time.

  • Anonymous

    2/2/2011 6:58:44 AM |

    I'm wondering your views on wheat products contained in cooking flavorings such as soy-sauce etc.
    I've cut out wheat from bread and flour however going through all my condiments there is a small amount (~4-8% ) of wheat in these.  The physical amounts are obviously quite small in cooking so for example 8% wheat in soy-sauce would translate to about 1.5 grams out of a 20ml tablespoon serving.
    It would be very hard to go the extra step and cut out my cooking condiments.
    I’m not wheat intolerant, obviously.  Your thoughts?
    Thanks

  • Kelly Scanlon

    2/2/2011 12:43:53 PM |

    I have severe joint pain, especially in my knees and hips, when reexposed to gluten.  I also had GI issues in the form of slowing things down.  I went gluten free last April 2010 and had 1 exposure in September and that was enough for me to cut it out for good.  All my tests show no reaction to gluten (blood/stool), but I know there is something there my body does not like!

  • Kelly Scanlon

    2/2/2011 1:10:27 PM |

    ps:  I agree with others who wrote about gastrointestinal flora.  I believe we need to address these issues in a broader way.   A person could have a bacterial or parasitic overgrowth (or yeast for that matter) that are "carb" feeding, causing GI distress when wheat is consumed.

  • Anonymous

    2/3/2011 4:05:09 AM |

    Dr. Davis,

    Your blog has been educational and inspirational to me as a medical professional.  I have been lurking for several months, perusing old blogs and waiting for new ones.  The conversations in the comments are interesting, sometimes heartbreaking with the illness that people have suffered before the true cause has been found.

    I write now because the improvements in health the removal of wheat, and various reactions with the re-introduction of it is something that has been known in the field of Environmental Medicine for over 40 years.  

    Foods other than wheat, as well as environmental chemicals, can cause similar problems with ill health.  An older, but still useful, book on the subject is 'Alternative Approach to Allergies' by Theron Randolph, MD.  In it, Dr. Randolph describes his work with food and chemically sensitive patients, his theories on why this happens, and his observations on treatment.  Because these sensitivities are highly individual, the gold standard multi-centered double-blinded placebo-controlled studies are impossible to do.

    As with many doctors who practice outside the 'normal' medical paradigm, I have family and personal experience with food and chemical sensitivities.

    My father had had cluster headaches since he was a young man.  He saw Dr. Randolph in the early 1980's, when I was a freshman in medical school.  Dr. Randolph diagnosed sensitivity to wheat and corn (not sure of the technique).  My father also found orange juice triggered headaches.  

    When he removed these foods from his diet and went on a strict four day rotation diet, his headaches quit.  That is not the natural history of cluster headaches.  When I mentioned this to anyone at school, I was told that it was the wrong diagnosis, or it was a coincidence.  It is best to not rock the boat, so I kept quiet after a while.  

    The next year, as a sophomore, I had a chemical exposure from new carpet in my apartment.  Whether it was the glue or the finish, it made me very ill.  I became confused, developed nasal allergies, couldn't do simple drug dose computations, and depressed.  My mother had to come and help me move.  Very embarrassing for a 20-something to need mommy, but I did.  

    I eventually recovered almost back to normal, but even now my memory and ability to concentrate on technical materials is not what is used to be.  

    My dad went back on a conventional diet after 4 years, and his headaches did not return.  He has developed diabetes, arthritis, and balance problems.  I suggested his diet might have something to do with all of this, but he is unwilling to change.  It is hard to convince an 87 year old man that he shouldn't eat his wheaties!

  • eye lift guide

    2/3/2011 11:47:51 AM |

    Extrinsic Asthma is triggered by pollen, chemicals or some other external agent; Intrinsic Asthma is triggered by boggy membranes, congested tissues, or other native causes… even adrenalin stress or exertion.

  • Jezwyn

    2/4/2011 3:25:39 AM |

    I really wish that I had tangible reasons to avoid wheat, but after a fast-food experiment at the end of last year, I had no problems to report whatsoever. So I have to rely on the theoretical information I have to motivate my avoidance of wheat.

  • An

    2/4/2011 9:03:05 AM |

    My goodness, I didn't even know wheat can cause these. I just found ways to cure arthritis. Anyway, prevention is better than cure.

  • Anonymous

    2/16/2011 1:00:34 AM |

    Dr. Davis,

    My name is Barbara and I have been going to you for several years.  I have been using benecol light on my husbands sweet and white potatoes.  After seeing your blog on plant sterols I am worried that I am giving him something thats not in his best interests.  Would you please comment.

  • dancilhoney

    2/22/2011 7:28:04 AM |

    My son and I both have asthma, and we manage with a combination of conventional medicine and some alternative treatments like respitrol for asthma.

  • Bette

    3/24/2011 4:12:13 AM |

    Nin Jiom Pei Pa Koa (http://ninjiom-hk.cwahi.net/) may be another choice. i know alot of people use it, its also non alcoholic, though it's effectiveness is not as good as alcohol based cough medicine, but it's still good to use on not so serious scratchy throat.

  • Karen

    7/8/2011 2:31:05 AM |

    I started gluten/wheat free 5 days ago. But two days in and I started having terrible flatulence and loose stools. Are they connected?? Patellofemoral arthritis in both knees feeling great tho.

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