What's the best lipoprotein test?

This is a frequent question from Track Your Plaque Members and others interested in improving their heart disease prevention program beyond that of simple-minded cholesterol testing.

I obtain lipoprotein testing every day on patients. I can tell you with the confidence of having done thousands of these tests that plain, old-fashioned cholesterol testing is like relying on riding a scooter to work compared to an 8-cylinder modern automobile. The scooter might get you there, but any rain, snow, or long distance to travel and you can just forget it.

All too often, lipoprotein testing uncovers abnormalities that standard cholesterol testing simply fails to uncover.

So, among the various lipoprotein tests available, which is best?


There are three commercial tests available today:

1) Gel electropheresis (GGE)--often known by its "brand" name as the Berkeley lipoprotein profile, after Berkeley HeartLabs. GGE uses a gel with an electric field applied to cause lipoproteins to migrate, based on particle size and charge.

2) Vertical auto-profile (VAP)--a form of centrifugation, or high-speed spinning of blood plasma to separate lipoprotein particles.

3) Nuclear magnetic resonance (NMR)--the idea of putting plasma in an NMR (also known as MRI) device to characterize blood proteins.

All three tests do an excellent job. All are competitively priced. All have validating data--lots of it--to justify their broad use (though health insurers, in their vast wisdom, would still have you believe that the tests are "experimental").

But is one better?

Having done many of all three (though least of VAP), I am partial to Liposcience's NMR. (By the way, I receive no fees from Liposcience to use their test, nor to promote it in any way.)

I believe NMR is superior in a few ways:

1) I believe that the LDL particle number is the best way to truly quantify LDL, better than apoprotein B and "direct" LDL.

2) It provides what I believe to be more accurate small LDL measures.

3) It provides intermediate-density lipoprotein (IDL), a post-prandial, or after-eating, measure not available on the other two.

Perhaps I'm biased because I use the NMR most frequently. But I've used it because I felt it yielded superior, more clinically believable, data.

In truth, all three laboratories do an excellent job and you'd be served fine by obtaining any of the three. But my heart goes to NMR.

Vitamin K2, aspirin, fish oil and blood thinning

An interesting question came up from one of our Track Your Plaque Members on the Forum.

"I am now taking 9 mg of vitamin K1 and 1000 mcg of K2.

Does taking this supplement with this much K1 have a counteracting effect on the thinning/anticlotting properties of aspirin and fish oil that I also take?"


Great question (along with lots of other greater discussions we have on the Forum.)

The answer: Vitamin K should have no effect on the platelet-blocking effects of aspirin or fish oil. The majority of blood clot inhibiting effects of aspirin and fish oil arise from their ability to keep blood platelets from "clumping" (just like the TV commercials for Plavix).

Vitamin K, on the other hand, participates in the liver production of blood clotting factors (like II, VII, IX, and X, among others for you curious ones).

Thus, vitamin K-dependent clotting factors and platelet-blocking are two separate pathways to forming blood clots. Some of us refer to the difference as "red clots" from the vitamin K pathway and "white clots" from the platelet pathway, since they really do have this different physical appearance.

The vitamin K2 conversation, like that about vitamin D, is fascinating for its potential to provide the missing link between the tightly-tied fortunes of bone health and atherosclerosis. Why is someone with a high CT heart scan score far more likely to have osteoporosis? Vitamin D and K2 deficiency may provide the missing link for many people.

"Drug no cure for gluttony"

That's the headline I'd like to see associated with rosiglitazone, brand name Avandia.

The recent negative press, whether deserved or not, surrounding the prescription drug rosiglitazone for pre-diabetes and diabetes highlights the fact that drugs never--never--substitute for what we can achieve with lifestyle changes.

Typically, rosiglitazone reduces blood sugar a few milligrams, reduces C-reactive protein, and very modestly reduces triglycerides and its associated evil lipoprotein friends. It also causes an average weight gain of 8 lb in the first year of use.

What will weight loss achieve, especially if accomplished through dramatic reduction or elimination of processed carbohydrates and wheat products, along with fish oil supplementation, vitamin D normalization, and exercise? Extraordinary benefits, far superior to what is achievable with this drug. In fact, while rosiglitazone is a Band-Aid for this process, the lifestyle changes can represent a cure in many or most instances.

It should come as no surprise that a drug that does nothing more than increase sensitivity to insulin cannot erase the devastating effects of an unhealthy life. Take rosiglitazone but neglect exercise, don't bother with vitamin D, indulge in pretzels and breakfast cereals, gain more weight . . . It serves the drug company's agenda better than it serves health.

Rosiglitazone not so rosy?

Dr. Steve Nissen of the Cleveland Clinic published a study that suggests that the pre-diabetes and diabetes drug, rosiglitazone, may increase likelihood of heart attack by 43%.

I say "suggests" because the analysis was something called a "meta-analysis", a re-examination of data obtained by pooling unrelated studies and reanalyzing the data. Strengths of this sort of analysis: Sometimes trends that are not evident in smaller studies finally become evident in the larger numbers of participants obtained through pooling of data. Downside: Any statistician will tell you that a meta-analysis can only suggest an association, it cannot prove it.

Nonetheless, we are talking about people's lives. As they say, if you are taking this drug, also known by the brand name, Avandia, then talk to your doctor. I think that this is sound advice, as there are a number of factors to weigh in decision making. For instance, how far along the diabetic path are you? Have you had negative experiences with other agents?

It will, unfortunately, be months to years before confirmatory evidence on this question become available. In the meantime, Nissen will accuse the drug industry of pushing drugs through the FDA approval process without full safety data. GlaxoSmithKline, the manufacturer of Avandia, will counter with claims of weak data, the existing trials not confirming Nissen's findings, etc. We've seen it before.

My take on this is to step back and look at the broad picture. Do we need yet another reason to say that it's far better to maintain normal body weight, dramatically reduce reliance on processed carbohydrates and wheat, exercise, and following other insulin-sensitizing strategies, rather than rely on insulin-sensitizing drugs? (That's what rosiglitazone is supposed to do.) Metabolic syndrome, also known as pre-diabetes, or diabetes is present to various degrees in two thirds of all adults I meet. Nearly all of it is self-inflicted. Nearly all of it is curable with the above lifestyle strategies if undertaken early enough in the process.

A 190 lb, 5 foot 2 inch woman, or a 220 lb, 5 foot 10 inch man, both of whom are surprised that they have pre-diabetes really need to get a grip on reality and health. To me, it's no surprise that drugs do not reverse all the nasty manifestations of lifestyle gone berserk. It should also come as no surprise that the complex, chaotic physiologic mess created by metabolic syndrome and pre-diabetes is not perfectly managed by adding one drug.

The lipid distorting effects of weight loss

Roger experienced a near-fatal heart attack 6 years ago. He survived thanks to the quick action of bystanders who initiated CPR and called 911. An emergency catheterization was performed and a stent implanted into the closed right coronary artery. But that's not why I tell Roger's story.

Since then, Roger has become comfortable with the idea that he has heart disease. His initial commitment to good nutrition and exercise has waned, as it often does in us distractable humans. So Roger gained about 30 lbs through a long winter, inactivity, eating frozen dinners, and the cookies and baked goodies his daughters made him.

As a result of the weight gain and inactivity, Roger's HDL dropped to 32 mg/dl, triglycerides rose to 211 mg/dl, blood sugar crept up into the pre-diabetic range of 116 mg/dl. Undoubtedly, small LDL was out of control beneath the surface. His tummy reflected the weight gain, flaccid and overhanging his belt.

I read Roger the riot act. I reminded him of what he had experienced and nearly didn't survive. Weight loss and a re-invigoration of his nutrition and exercise efforts was going to be crucial.

Roger listened and took it to heart. Over three months, he lost 24 lbs, a phenomenal result. However, his repeat lipid panel showed an HDL of 28 mg/dl, triglycerides 234 mg/dl, blood sugar unchanged.

"I don't get it! I lose all this weight and the number get worse?!" Roger was understandably upset after his enormous effort.

I told Roger that after a profound weight loss, lipids can go berserk for up to two months after weight has stabilized. Typically, HDL drops and triglycerides rise--the opposite of what we want. But wait another two or so months after weight has stabilized and the numbers begin to look beautiful.

Why does this crazy effect happen? I really don't know and I've never heard a satisfactory explanation for it. But it is very real and quite predictable.

The lesson: after a substantial weight loss, be patient. Check your lipid numbers too soon and you might be confused or disappointed. If you do check them, bear in mind that additional time may need to pass before you see the weight loss fully reflected.

Cholesterol reduction and wheat

In my previous post, Identical twins and the explosive influence of weight , we witnessed an excellent example of the profound influence of food choices and weight control on lipoproteins. The heavier twin among these 35-year old male twins (Steve) had an LDL particle number over two-fold higher than his more slender counterpart (Alfred).

The heavier twin, Steve, got here through numerous and longstanding dietary excesses: fast foods, saturated fats, sweets, processed foods. The conventional answer to Steve's lipid dilemma would be to modestly reduce his reliance on saturated fat, exercise, and limit snacks.

How far would that get Steve? Not very far at all. With regards to his high LDL particle number of 2256 nmol/l (representing an "effective" LDL cholesterol of around 225 mg/dl), it would be reduced a little, perhaps 10%.

Notice, however, that 72% of all Steve's LDL particles are small (1639/2256). This is the pattern that responds dramatically to a sharp reduction in processed carbohydrates, especially wheat-containing products.

If Steve were to eliminate all wheat products--all breads, breakfast cereals, pretzels, cookies, cakes, pasta, crackers--LDL particle number will drop dramatically, perhaps 50%, often more depending on the magnitude of weight loss. Small LDL will respond most obviously and will be sharply reduced, perhaps disappear. Incidentally, these changes might not be well reflected by the conventional calculated LDL cholesterol, since small LDL particles are well-concealed by standard measures.

Reducing corn products, white and brown rice, and potatoes would also add to the effect. But, in 2007, wheat products represent 90% of the problem for the majority of people. Reducing or eliminating wheat therefore yields the biggest effect by a long shot.

Steve therefore represents an excellent example of how reducing processed carbohydrates, esp. wheat-containing products, can yield an unexpected and paradoxical reduction in LDL cholesterol as evidenced by the highly accurate LDL particle number (or apoprotein B). Reducing saturated fat sources also helps, but it certainly will not yield the kind of results most people need. You've got to be smarter than the simple-minded conventional advice.

Identical twins and the explosive influence of weight

A Track Your Plaque member, Eugene, brought this fascinating story to my attention.

Eugene has two nephews, identical twins aged 35 years. Despite their similar personalities and appearances, somehow these two drifted apart in weight with Steve outweighing Alfred by 30 lbs.

Eugene explains:

These guy's are big not, but overly fat. Just big. One is about 30 lbs heaver than the other. They live 2 blocks apart, they ate the same (together) meal the night before the blood work. Their mother is a type 2 diabetic with a heart condition. Steve does not eat as well as his twin, junk food and a lot of processed starches.


Their results:



LDL-Particle number
Alfred 900
Steve 2256

Small LDL-P
Alfred 400
Steve 1639

HDL-C
Alfred 44
Steve 36

Triglycerides
Alfred 85
Steve 355

Metabolic Syn.
Alfred no
Steve yes


Glucose

Fasting
Alfred 93
Steve 112

1hour
Alfred 134
Steve 206

2 hour
Alfred 105
Steve 172


Identical twins begin with the very same genetic background. As these two graphically illustrate, weight can have a profound influence in the genetically susceptible.

LDL particle number alone is 250% greater in the heavier twin. The dreaded small LDL particle is over 400% worse! Look also at the dramatic differences in blood sugar.

If you ever had any doubts about the importance of excess weight and nutrition, just remind yourself of this fascinating illustration.

Thanks, Eugene.

Low-fat diets raise triglycerides

Martin, a hospital employee, knowing that I fuss a great deal with lipids and lipoproteins, showed me his lipid panel because the result triggered a "panic value" for triglycerides at 267 mg/dl. He asked if he should go on a serious low-fat diet.

I asked Martin what he had for breakfast: a whole wheat bagel with no-added-sugar jam. Lunch: a turkey sub on whole grain bread, no mayonnaise. Snacks: baked chips, pretzels ("a low-fat snack!").

In years past, if person developed high triglycerides levels, a very low-fat diet was prescribed. Someone would come to the hospital, for instance, with abdominal pain from pancreatitis (an inflamed pancreas)due to the damaging effects of triglyceride levels >1000 mg/dl. For this reason, many people still believe that all instances of elevated triglycerides should be treated with a reduction in fat intake.

This is absolutely wrong. While a fat restriction may reduce triglycerides in genetically-programmed responses when triglycerides are >1000 mg/dl, lesser levels of high triglycerides of, say 250 or 300 mg/dl, do not respond to dietary fat restrictions as a sole strategy.

Yes, a reduction in unhealthy fats (saturated, trans, polyunsaturated) helps. But a reduction in fats of all sorts is not necessary and can, in fact, worsen the problem. We learned this lesson years ago with the Ornish diet and similar ultra low-fat approaches. When you reduce fat intake significantly to <10% of calories, triglycerides go way up. In those days, it wasn't uncommon to see triglycerides skyrocket past 200 or 300 mg/dl on these diets.

Why are triglycerides important? Triglycerides are an ingredient in creating the lipoproteins VLDL, IDL, small LDL. Elevated triglycerides trigger a drop in HDL, a shift towards small, ineffective HDL, and contribute to heightened inflammation. Higher triglycerides also tend to go hand in hand with lipoproteins that persist for extended periods (12-24 hours or longer) in the blood after a meal.

Triglycerides respond very nicely to a dramatic reduction in processed carbohydrates, especially wheat and corn. Of course, wheat is the bulk of the problem, since it has grown to occupy an enormous role in many people's diet, not uncommonly eaten 3,4, or 5 times per day in various forms, as it has in Martin's diet. Eliminating all sources of high-fructose corn syrup is also helpful, since high-fructose corn syrup shoots triglycerides way up. (Recall that high-fructose corn syrup is everywhere: ketchup, beer, low-fat or non-fat salad dressings, breads, fruit drinks, sports drinks, breakfast cereals, etc.)

Curiously, it is a fat that also powerfully reduces triglycerides in the form of fish oil. In the Track Your Plaque program, fish oil, taken at truly effective doses of 4000 mg per day or more (to provide at least 1200 mg EPA+DHA), is our number one choice after reduction of processed carbohydrates for reduction of high triglycerides.

The dreaded niacin "flush"

As most anybody who takes niacin knows, it can cause a hot flushed feeling over the chest and face that is generally harmless, though quite annoying.

Many doctors are frightened by this response and will warn patients off from niacin. Some people who take niacin are so annoyed that they find it intolerable.

However, a very simple maneuver can relieve the hot flush in over 90% of instances: Drink water. Let me explain.

I usually instruct patients to take niacin at dinnertime. That way, food slows absorption modestly. I also ask them to drink water with dinner. If the flush occurs after dinner (usually 30-60 minutes later), then drinking two 8-12 oz glasses of water immediately breaks the flush within 3 minutes in the great majority of people. It's quite dramatic.

Doing this around dinner (lunch works just as well) allows sufficient time to clear the excess water from your body before bedtime and spare you the aggravation of disrupted sleep to urinate. Drinking plenty of water works most of the time. Only an occasional person will need to take a 325 mg uncoated aspirin to more fully break the flush. I generally suggest that patients keep the uncoated aspirin in reserve if the water doesn't provide relief within a few minutes.

Thankfully, the intensity of the niacin flush lessens, often disappears, with chronic use.

Why do some people develop the flush and other don't? It is believed that some people metabolize niacin more rapidly to a compound called nicotinuric acid, a niacin metabolite that causes dilation (relaxation) of skin capillaries--thus the flush. The rapidity of converting niacin to nicotinuric acid is determined genetically.

An occasional person really struggles with niacin to the point of intolerance. However, on the positive side, these people may also be "hyper-responders" to niacin, i.e., they show exagerated benefits in raising HDL, reducing small LDL, etc., from small doses such as 250 mg per day.

If you experience the hot flush of niacin, think water to put out the fire.

A cure for pessimism?

Followers of the Track Your Plaque program know that we place great value on having an optimistic outlook. Not only are you more likely to be happy and successful in life, you are also far more likely to drop your CT heart scan score. Virtually everyone who has succeeded in dropping their heart scan score dramatically has been an optimist, including our most recent record holder who dropped his score an astounding 51%.

But what if you are a pessimist, someone who gripes and complains about everything, sees the bad in other people, blames others for anything and everything that goes wrong--yet you still desire to drop your heart scan score? Are you a lost cause? Should you just give up?

I don't think so. I will admit that, of all the hurdles we encounter in trying to purposefully stop or reduce heart scan scores, overcoming a pessimistic attitude is probably the toughest. Tougher than being overweight, maybe tougher than even Lp(a).

Perhaps there's a solution in two years of psychotherapy sessions with a counselor, or exploring unresolved childhood conflicts with a psychologist, or an antidepressant drug. Pessimism is, after all, a deeply-ingrained pattern of behavior, something that can't be changed just by suggesting it or simple self-realization.

The closest thing I know of to a quick and relatively easy solution for converting a pessimist to an optimist is very simple:

Do good things for other people.

Something peculiar happens to the pessimist when he/she starts to help others. They are less threatened by other people (since much griping is really fear in disguise), begin to see others as vulnerable creatures who could use their help rather than sources of annoyance, and a kinship with others is acquired.

Doing good things can mean giving blood, donating money to the Sierra Club or other charity, volunteering with the Boy Scouts, tipping the hard working waitress trying to pay for college more generously, paying compliments to people around you, helping a neighbor carry the groceries when you see him struggling, showing a child how to make a paper airplane . . .

Good deeds can take a million different forms. But it must involve you personally. It can't mean delegating a helpful activity to your spouse. You must also do it frequently, not just once a year. It doesn't have to cost money, it doesn't have to involve a lot of time (though your personal bodily involvement does yield the greatest return in optimism). These are things anyone can do and help make the world around you a little better.

If taking these small steps towards an optimistic attitude are too much for you, then I would worry that you are destined to fail in dropping your heart scan score.

Wheat Belly #5 on New York Times Bestseller list!

Wheat Belly #5 on New York Times Bestseller list!

The New York Times just released its bestseller list due for release September 18th, 2011 . . . .

Wheat Belly is #5!! (That darned Jane Fonda woman elbowed me out for the #4 spot!

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Comments (66) -

  • Sean

    9/9/2011 3:54:19 AM |

    Hey, congratulations Dr D.
    I hope you aren't going to go all Hollywood on us now that you are a best-selling author.

  • Princess Dieter

    9/9/2011 7:03:22 AM |

    GREAT! I know I got several folks to buy by blogging/reviewing/facebooking, and some are doing the no-gluten now (including my sis!)

    Now, onto the next one on cholesterol/heart health, yes? ; )

    Oh, and I just started using a glucose monitor to test...interesting (but I hate pricking my finger, wuss that I am.)

    Again, congrats. Go take on Big Grain!

  • miki

    9/9/2011 8:01:02 AM |

    Congratulations! There is hope! I couldn't not notice Tim Ferriss right behind you. He is also "Plaeoish".

  • Michia

    9/9/2011 8:45:39 AM |

    Awesome!  And, oh yeah, you just turned into a much bigger target Wink

  • Alexandra

    9/9/2011 10:03:21 AM |

    I just shared this story over at Fat Head but I thought you might enjoy it as well.
    My copy of Wheat Belly arrived yesterday and is next on the reading list.

    Related story...a very happy turn of events.

    Back in June of this year, a musician friend of mine came to my area for a concert.  I hadn’t seen him in several years and was distressed to see him using a cane (he is only about 57 years old) and clearly appeared to be in pain.  This sweet guy came up to me and said I looked healthy and full of life (what a lovely compliment!) He told me that he had been suffering from severe joint pain throughout his body and was now living on pain medication and was having difficulty performing. He asked me what I was doing to be healthy (I am 120 lbs lighter since the last time he saw me.)  Rather than tell all on a busy concert night, I told him I would send him an e-mail with links, etc. the next day. The e-mail included Fat Head as well as numerous blogs and web sites that I thought would be of help to him.  Long story short, I saw my friend again this past weekend... no cane and walking comfortably.  He told me that, so far, all he had done was stop eating cereal and bread and within three months was able to stop all his pain medications and can again walk without pain, or a cane!  To have played a role in helping this wonderful person feel well again made my heart swell!

  • Debbie B in MD

    9/9/2011 11:04:49 AM |

    My copy just came yesterday!!! I am really enjoying it and making a list of who needs a copy for Christmas presents. Maybe they will be early presents because I wouldn't want to keep this from those I love any longer than necessary. Congratulations!!!

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/9/2011 12:07:35 PM |

    Thanks, Debbie!

    Your mention of Christmas reminds me that I should put some holiday recipes up on the blogs. Holidays tend to be incredible wheat-fests, so it's best to be armed with tasty wheat-free, low-carb recipes.

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/9/2011 12:12:02 PM |

    Wow, Alexandra! Great story.

    Now, more than likely your friend would have tested negative for celiac markers and his doctor would say it was all in his head or a coincidence. This is precisely what I've been seeing.

    Imagine we live in a village where 9 out of 10 people who drink from the water well in the center of town get sick; they stop drinking water from the well, they all get better. They drink from the well again, they get sick, etc. With a consistent and reproducible effect like this, how long do we wait for the clinical trial to prove to us that we are sick from drinking the water?

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/9/2011 12:24:52 PM |

    Yes, Miki, it appears to me the top sellers on the list are all diet books. That tells us something!

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/9/2011 12:27:48 PM |

    Thanks, Princess.

    Because the Wheat Belly 100% wheat-free approach is so critical to the heart health message, this alone will occupy me and my team for some time. Corollary to the Wheat Belly message is that, follow this idea and the need for drugs for cholesterol, hypertension, diabetes, arthritis, and other conditions is dramatically reduced or eliminated in many, if not most, people. I think this message bears repeating . . . and repeating and repeating.

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/9/2011 12:29:21 PM |

    Believe me, Sean, I'm not going anywhere! I grew up very poor, had to work for everything, so I believe that I've learned humility and to appreciate the small things in life. This has always been about the message, not about notoriety. And the message is much too big for any one person to manage singlehandedly.

  • otterotter

    9/9/2011 1:40:09 PM |

    Dr. Davis,

    This is a great news, congratulations !  and now I cannot even wait for my copy to arrive.

    One more question: I know wheat is bad, but is "pure wheat bran" good for me ? I am using a lot of wheat bran in my diet to promote the fibre in take.


    cheers!

    zuo

  • Dee

    9/9/2011 2:17:21 PM |

    Congadulations on Wheat Belly.  I hope a lot of Doctors read or hear about it.  Glutin intorance is rampant throught out the world.
    Dee

  • Lori

    9/9/2011 3:44:03 PM |

    Congratulations! As I posted on the Fathead blog, my mother found out for herself how far wheat can push up blood sugar. An hour after she ate a piece of toast, her BG was 245, up from 101. (Yes, that's two hundred forty-five.)

  • Bill Davis

    9/9/2011 4:47:57 PM |

    Dr Davis

    Good book!

    However, I think the message of the book is bigger than what the cover would lead one to believe. Mis- representation? I was wondering at first knowing somewhat of the origins of the book. In fact I was somewhat disappointed that the cover only addressed a side effect of this 'medication'. And I try to avoid side effects.

    That being said, what do I think is the real message of the book? (and I should know - check my name. Actually I'm the other BD.) It is definitely IMO chapter 10. I'm beginning the third time through 10.

    Then, I saw your post above and it made me think (yes I do that at times since I am sentient) - This is such an important book EVERYONE should read chapter 10. Is this just another diet/food book?  Whether you or the publisher chose the title (they do sometimes you know) it got my chapter 10 right up there where many more will read it. There are 6 out of 10 on that NYT list about what, one would be led to believe, this book is about.

    Diet books are a dime a dozen but heart disease is here to stay (unless the message of ch10 gets out!).

    Again - Good book. Congratulations!

    My new doctor in Boulder needs this in his waiting room. He has your other ones there.

  • cancerclasses

    9/9/2011 5:20:34 PM |

    The fiber myth is just another anti health lie designed to keep you sick and in surgery, forget the conventional wisdom on this one too and do the opposite, you'll be healthier.  Everyone needs to learn the long established and well known scientific truth about fiber, not the conventional wisdom and opinions constantly parroted by the media.  Just google 'brian peskin fiber' and read the post titled "Fiber Fiction" where you'll see the rest of this short cut & paste:  
    "In 2004, the cancer journal, Cancer Epidemiology Biomarkers & Prevention, stated that colon cancer is not helped by eating fiber Dr. Gilbert Omenn stated in a 2000 New York Times article on this subject: “There’s not a shred of [cancer fighting] evidence from these trials. ...the surprising results [no cancer protection] showed the need to rigorously put belief systems to the test, especially when you are making recommendations to literally hundreds of millions of people.” He concluded with, “...it is time to abandon the idea that fiber can help prevent colon cancer.” (Emphasis added)

    As referenced in my landmark book, “The Hidden Story of Cancer,” fiber actually worsens
    colon cancer rather than helping it. Even the Cancer Institute finally agrees with this conclusion. The
    true tragedy lies in the fact that those following this advice and eating the most fiber get the most colon cancer! This fact was reported in 2000 in the Lancet, the world’s premier medical journal.
    There is a general misconception that plant foods are loaded with vitamins that we benefit from; unfortunately, these nutrients are locked away in the plant fiber, or cellulose, which cannot be digested by humans. Herbivores are able to break down the cellulose and get to the nutrients, but due to our digestive tract design, humans cannot."

    And there's more to learn there, be sure to google that and read up, for your health's sake.

  • Joe

    9/9/2011 5:21:42 PM |

    Come up with a tasty, healthy, low-carb (wheat free, of course!) substitute for cannoli and I can guarantee that there will be a national holiday named after you, Doc.

    "Dr. Davis Day," which will fall somewhere between Thanksgiving and Christmas, and celebrated by BILLIONS!

    Joe

  • Hans Keer

    9/9/2011 5:44:52 PM |

    Congratulations doc D. How can this message be brought to an even broader public?

  • otterotter

    9/9/2011 5:54:50 PM |

    Thanks cancerclasses, I will read the bok.

    I am taking fibre mainly to increase the bowl movements to once a day intead of once every two days, and it works for that purpose. Not sure whether it is good or bad through.

  • Linda

    9/9/2011 8:51:05 PM |

    Not to get TOO personal, but, what difference does it make if the bowels move every day or every other day? Why not let your body just do it's thing when it is ready?

    Add some flax to your daily diet, that should do the trick! That stuff really moves things along. LOL

    I can remember my mother taking laxatives every day when I was a kid, and she insisted that we had to move those bowels! When I told her, as an adult, that I sometimes go two or more days, she had a fit!

    It just isn't necessary..............................

  • Galina L.

    9/10/2011 12:27:28 AM |

    Why not increase a dose of a magnesium supplement? I am taking some and have to be careful with the dose because it can make bowl movements more frequent. For some people it should be a desirable side-effect.

  • otterotter

    9/10/2011 1:08:30 AM |

    Linda,

    I have grounded flax seeds in my diet as well, but the problem is I cannot have too much of it. Overdosing flax seeds made my blood too thin and ended up in emergency room last year, with bloody stool ...

    To go 100% wheat free, I might have to try corn bran ...

  • otterotter

    9/10/2011 1:11:00 AM |

    Yes, I am having magnesium as well, it make the stool softer, but not more frequent... well unless you take too much of it.

  • Michia

    9/10/2011 1:24:33 AM |

    Hi otterotter
    This informative site helped me a lot while I was coming back after surgery for a bowel resection several years ago.  
    http://www.gutsense.org/
    I echo the recommendation of magnesium and would add vitamin C.  Make it magnesium citrate, best absorption.  Start in easy since too much at once of either will put you on the, um "fast track" Wink
    I eat VLC, and have to stay 100% wheat-free or risk the wrath of an RA flare.

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/10/2011 2:00:01 AM |

    I am no expert in bowel health, but I do know that some GI--minded people hold the opinion that stool held for prolonged periods in the intestinal tract changes in character and leads to the cascade of changes leading to cancer.

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/10/2011 2:02:08 AM |

    Hi, Hans--

    I believe that is currently underway!

    Just today, I've gotten dozens of phone calls and emails from major national media, all wanting to understand what the heck is going on with this crazy Wheat Belly thing.

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/10/2011 2:03:18 AM |

    Wow, Joe. Thank you.

    But you give me too much credit. I am simply the delivery boy on this information.

    But thank goodness you picked a day after Halloween!

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/10/2011 2:10:28 AM |

    Thank you, Uncle Bill!

    While I chose the main title, Wheat Belly, I had pushed for a much more edgy (obnoxious?) subtitle: Muffins tops and man boobs in a whole grain world.

    They would not budge on the "man boob" thing.

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/10/2011 2:16:58 AM |

    Aaagghhh! One piece of toast, blood sugar goes up 144 mg/dl!

    I feel like we should conduct an exorcism.

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/10/2011 2:17:44 AM |

    Yes, I agree, Dee. It is rampant.

    It is, in my experience, the rule and not the exception. It certainly does NOT end at celiac disease, but ranges far and wide into virtually every facet of health.

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/10/2011 2:19:38 AM |

    Hi, Zuo--

    Because wheat fiber is essentially cellulose (AKA wood), it is inert. There is only danger for the most exquisitely wheat- and gluten- sensitive.

    However, there are plenty of non-wheat fibers to take advantage of, such as nuts, vegetables, seeds, flaxseed, and chia.

  • Diane

    9/10/2011 11:42:14 AM |

    Hi Princess,
    Check out this example of "painless blood sugar testing" on the Blood Sugar 101 website.  I can vouch for its effectiveness!
    http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/19774432.php

  • Teresa

    9/10/2011 4:31:49 PM |

    Enhorabuena, dr, Davis, me gustaría saber si algún día podré leer su libro en español.

  • Patricia

    9/11/2011 3:13:55 PM |

    Plants contain both indigestible fibers like cellulose and digestible fibers like pectin.  Both impart health benefits.  Digestible fibers absorb and carry out bile acids that promote the production of carcinogens by intestinal bacteria.  Indigestible fibers builk up stools, speeding up transit time and thereby dilluting carcinogens produced by anaerobic bacteria in the gut.  Plant fiber is good, and we can get enough of both kinds from non-starch vegetables and fruits.

  • greensleeves

    9/11/2011 5:16:56 PM |

    Dear Dr. Davis:

    Just finished Wheat Belly. Congrats - what an excellent book! I wish you every success.

    I was intrigued by your comments on einkorn, and very interested to read your experiments with it here. I've been baking all kinds of bread for more than 25 years now. I began after living in France in the early 80s and wishing to eat the delicious French-style breads at home, such as pain de campagne, which at that time were very difficult to find in the USA. I couldn't get the same results, so I began to study a lot of dough chemistry to discover the differences between traditional French grains and the American grains I was using.

    They are quite different, as you so accurately note! The French have largely resisted engineered foods, and now we know they were apparently right to do so.

    As others have noted, your einkorn bread would have had even fewer blood sugar effects had you followed a traditional 3-day soourdough process. Traditional European breads take 3-5 days to make, and the sourdough process substantially changes the dough chemistry. Also, very fresh flour is almost never used in traditional baking - it should always be allowed to sit in a cool place (the underground cellar or "cave" of the baker's mill, traditionally) for about 3 weeks before using. Part of the "astringent" taste you note in the einkorn is due to the very fresh flour.

    This also leads me to ask you more about rye. Rye traditionally grew as a "weed" in European fields during wet years, when the wheat didn't fare so well. Until the late 19th century, almost all French bread would have contained some rye, as they were commonly harvested together and ground together. Only the very rich could afford to have their grains sorted to pure wheat. During a very wet, cold year, the field would have been more rye than wheat, actually. In Germany and Scandinavia, where it's quite cold in the winter, too cold for normal wheats, people ate more rye, even exclusively so.

    We've all seen traditional German-style or Danish-style rye - 100% whole dark rye bread with coriander, made the traditional sourdough way. It takes more than 3 days to make, and after baking the bread has to sit for 24-48 hours before it can be sliced. The bread is nearly black, like pumpernickel, very dense, almost a brick, and you have to eat it in super-thin tiny slices. Everyone in Denmark will tell you rye is much healthier than wheat.

    Your book mentions rye a few times in passing, which deeply intrigued me. Rye has low levels of gliadin - the protein you persuasively argue as being very problematic for many people - but in rye, these are covered by another structure called pentosans.

    These pentosans are what prevent rye from rising and make the dough as sticky as glue and completely wet, so difficult to work with. 100% rye can't be kneaded and doesn't form a dough that can be shaped into loaves - you have to pour it into the pan. Rye also has another protein called secalin, which may bother celiacs, but may not effect the wheat-gluten intolerant.

    I wonder if people with mild wheat intolerances - not full celiac - could tolerate small amounts of traditional-style German/Scandinavian rye breads, just as they may be able to tolerate small amounts of einkorn? That is, could everyone's Danish grandmother be correct? Smile

    Do you have any insight into rye, Dr. Davis? Sorry for the long comment, and thank you so much for your inspiring and wonderful book!

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/12/2011 2:30:59 AM |

    Hi, Green--

    Excellent! Thank you for your valuable insights into the unique French wheat and bread experience.

    As you have likely gathered, despite the differences in rye, its genetics, the quantitative and qualitative differences in the gliadin, there are few data to tell us how much better or worse it can be except in celiac sufferers who, of course, have their reactions triggered by rye.

    Of course, we still have lectins to contend with in rye. My suspicion is, given the phenomenon that I believe applies, that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, i.e., each undesirable component of wheat (gliadin, lectins, amylopectin A) adds up to tell only part of the story. I suspect that there are other, yet unidentified, components of wheat, and thereby perhaps rye, that account for its extravagant unhealthy effects that are greater than the sum of the parts.

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/12/2011 2:31:35 AM |

    Thank you, Patricia, for a wonderful discussion!

  • greensleeves

    9/12/2011 6:37:21 AM |

    Thanks so much for your quick response, Dr. Davis! Of course those opposed to your work will quickly bring up the French experience, which is why I mention it. Smile

    If you have time, please let me point you to a seminal 1990 book on bread, "The Taste of Bread," by the French bread "guru," baker Raymond Calvel. You will be very interested in Chapter 15, where he - the ultimate authority - discusses the health concerns around bread, as known already in 1990. He discusses the problems of conventional agriculture, that fill flour with fungicides and pesticides. And he notes that modern industrial methods of bread-making oxidize the dough to ill effect.

    He also discusses what he calls "toxic factors" in bread, particularly phytic acid, and he quotes a French study describing how it interferes with calcium, iron, and magnesium absorption. He does mention celiac disease and wheat allergy - very prescient for 1990.

    Finally, he quotes from various French medical experts who argue that bread should equal around 20% (about 400 calories) of a woman's daily calorie intake. Calvel closes arguing that people need to eat a higher quality, traditionally made, organic bread from traditional-style flours without additives. And this is from a French baker in bread-loving France! (Note that the actual French level of consumption he documents is a mere 5 oz of baguette per person a day - about 360 calories.)

    Compare this to our recent Food Pyramid guidelines, which suggested Americans eat "up to" 11 servings of grain products a day - for bread which is served in 1 oz Wonder slices, that's more than twice what even the French ate in the same time period.

    Here the USDA pyramid was telling Americans to eat "up to" 770 calories, or nearly 50% of a woman's daily recommended 1,600 calories! In the added sugars section of those guidelines, the chart explicitly called out bread as a good food with no added sugars! Doughnuts, Danish, muffins, cookies and poundcake are also noted for having 2 or less added sugars. You had to read pretty deep in the smaller print to find out the guidelines suggested that women eat "only" 6 slices of bread a day.

    So when your critics point to the fact that French women eat bread and yet "don't get fat," please note the massive differences in French and American consumption levels. Smile

  • Ryan

    9/12/2011 1:24:59 PM |

    Bought my copy at Barnes and Noble yesterday.  Going to read it this week and share with my in-laws who have all sorts of issues that going Wheat Free could possibly help.  
    I have been Wheat free for 3 years now.  It has been great Smile  A lot of things have improved -- mostly my tummy aches are finally gone and I can eat dinner without having to go to the bathroom within 20 minutes of eating.

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/12/2011 11:47:49 PM |

    Hi, Ryan--

    You're not alone.

    I'd crudely estimate that, oh, 50 million people share the same gastrointestinal issues that you've suffered from consumption of this thing called "wheat."

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/12/2011 11:54:57 PM |

    Hi, Green--

    Thank you for your incredibly insightful perspectives!

    Interestingly, I had a casual conversation with a cameraman from Paris just today. While no expert in bread or wheat, he reiterated much of what you told me about the very different taste, texture, and baking habits of French bread. What is not clear to me is that, while the French preparation of bread may impair weight gain, does it spare you from all the other adverse effects of wheat? An interesting topic for though and investigation.

  • Rodger Morrow

    9/13/2011 1:16:14 AM |

    As you may have seen, Novak Djokovic just won the U.S. Open men's singles title, becoming the sixth man to win three Grand Slam titles in the same year. His record for the year: 64-2.

    But did his gluten-free diet have something to do with it? Some people think so:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/is-a-glutenfree-diet-behind-djokovics-smash-success-2285004.html

    Dr. Davis, we welcome your thoughts …

  • Peggy Cihocki

    9/13/2011 1:29:17 AM |

    This is beyond awesome! But I hope it climbs even higher on the list and gets to #1! I already have it in my Kindle App 4 iPhone, but will be buying a copy for my daughter--unless she buys it herself for her Kindle! This is a message that needs to be spread like wildfire!
    @Greensleeves, your comment about French bread is very interesting and enlightening. Those are important points to bring up when someone tries to counter Dr. davis' message with tales of The French. Ah, the French, always the "paradox!"

  • pam

    9/13/2011 6:42:13 AM |

    congrat.
    my book just arrived today.
    will bring it to office cause my colleagues just don't believe me about wheat gives "belly" & "moobs" (man boobs).
    i was hoping that the title photo is a real wheat belly. (just for the shock value) but perhaps that's too gross & sensational. XD
    regards,

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/13/2011 12:43:54 PM |

    Hi, Pam--

    I actually pushed for a big wheat belly on the cover, but the publisher wouldn't hear of it. They thought it would paint the book as simply another weight loss book.

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/13/2011 12:44:51 PM |

    Thanks, Peggy!

    (Maybe I should get myself one of these Kindle things. My daughter says she loves hers, too.)

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/13/2011 12:46:48 PM |

    Hi, Rodger--

    Of course, it's impossible to prove in an individual instance, but it sure sounds like something happened to really supercharge his performance. I predict that we will be hearing plenty more about enhanced performance of athletes who say goodbye to wheat, mostly due to increased power of concentration and greater capacity to generate sustained energy.

  • Sue

    9/13/2011 4:56:41 PM |

    My Dad died of cerebellar ataxia, twenty years ago.  Your book is the first explanation for this terrible condition that I have seen.  Of course, consumption of the 'new' wheat would not have been a factor at that time, but then we have always had celiacs.  The question is, has there been an increase in cerebellar ataxia in recent years?  Or has enough time elapsed for it to have become apparent?  
    I have been mostly grain free for some years now, so am part of the Choir reading your book.  My issue is mostly with minor joint pain, diagnosed as the beginnings of arthritis.  I also have Dupuytren's disease, and really am hoping that it will not progress.  I have a question that was not answered in the book.  Just how dedicated need a person be?  Am I losing ground and doing myself harm if I indulge in a wheat laden treat now and again?  Should I really be paying attention to the hidden wheat in sauces and condiments?  Or can I continue with a more lackadaisical approach, avoiding the obvious baked goods, cereals etc, but not sweating the small stuff?
    Congratulations on the success of the book, and thank you for writing it.

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    9/13/2011 6:24:28 PM |

    To Greensleeves  (Server  was blocking this days ago & then "Moderator" too),
    You will enjoy all sourdough rye study "Structural diff. btwn. Rye & wheat ...lower post-prandial insulin ..." in 2003 Am J Clin Nutri; 78(5):957-964 full text http://www.ajcn.org/content/78/5/957.full
    And 2009 "Endosperm & whole grain rye breads ... beneficial blood glucose profile" in Nutrition Journal 2009, 8:42 full text http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1475-2891-8-42.pdf

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/14/2011 2:45:23 AM |

    Thank you, Sue.

    Modern wheat was phased into diet starting about the late 1970s, so it may indeed have played a part in your Dad's illness.

    If your Dad potentially had a wheat-induced disease, I would err on the side of safety and be meticulously wheat-free.

  • Dale

    9/15/2011 12:58:44 AM |

    Dr. Davis, Congratulations! May "Wheat Belly" be on the NY Times Best Seller for a long, long time - so your work can improve many more lives as it has so spectacularly improved mine! I'll be happy to share my story.

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/15/2011 11:43:28 AM |

    Thanks, Dale!

    If you'd like to share a story, just post the details here and I will repost.

  • Darleen Michael-Baker

    9/15/2011 4:48:17 PM |

    Congrats Dr. D!!

    I just heard about your book over on Dana Carpendar's "hold the toast" blog last week and promptly zipped over to Amazon and bought it for my Kindle.  I cannot stop reading! Fascinating information, thank you so much for writing this.

    I haven't read through all the comments nor have I read any other of your posts yet so please forgive me if this is old news to you but I wanted to know if you had read either of Gary Taubes's books.  "Good Calories, Bad Calories" or "Why we get fat and what to do about it?"  Your book compliments the info in those very well.

    Now if I could just get hubby to read them!

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/16/2011 2:41:39 AM |

    Hi, Darleen-

    Thank you!

    Yes, I've read both of Gary Taubes' very excellent books. He has done a great service by bringing the light of day to many subjects that we previously just accepted as "conventional wisdom."

  • Mark. Gooley

    9/17/2011 2:10:11 AM |

    Saw it in a Barnes and Noble while on a trip, so I... ordered a Kindle version and read that on my phone (didn't want to lug books around).  I'm so glad it's doing well.  I've been eating low-carb for a year now and it's helped my type 1 diabetes a lot, but I've lost little weight.  I hadn't stopped eating wheat entirely but now I have, and we'll see if that's any help.  Seems a lot of type 1 diabetics have trouble losing weight once they've piled it on from trying to keep blood sugar levels reasonable while eating carbohydrates...

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/17/2011 1:22:41 PM |

    Yes, Mark, a tough balancing act.

    But I have indeed seen marked improvements in blood sugar with wheat elimination in type 1 diabetes. Also, note that type 1 diabetes is, to an incredible and underappreciated degree, a disease of wheat exposure. You may recall from the book that type 1 diabetics are 20-fold more likely to develop celiac disease and vice versa. They are, in many ways, one and the same. It means that the benefits of wheat elimination may be especially dramatic in many with type 1 diabetes.

  • LaurieLM

    9/19/2011 9:22:43 PM |

    Very Good Dr Davis, I have purchased 8 copies of 'Wheat Belly' so far. I put my low-carb, no-wheat money where my mouth is. Like I did with purchasing copies of Gary Taubes' 'Good Calories, Bad Calories' and handing it out like no-sugar candy, I'm doing with 'Wheat Belly'. 4 of the 8 copies have been given to physicians- one to my internist, one to my doctor-sister and two to two doctor friends( one an internist and one an ob-gyn). I am trying to reach as many doctors as I can and I have lots of pre-med students in my orbit and whose attention I command for several hours each week. Each one teach one......or two or ten PLEASE.

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/20/2011 12:36:03 PM |

    Wow! Thank you, Laurie.

    We could all use more friends like you!

  • Averyclaire

    9/22/2011 11:32:25 PM |

    Just heard about your book, downloaded it to my Nook and I wondered ...Have you ever heard of this ailment?   I am a 62 year old woman with something that seems to have mystified the three doctors I have seen, including two gastroenterologists (one from NW Hospital in Chicago).  I suddenly began having “attacks” after eating.    Within a few bites of food, I became “sick” with four hours worth of excruciating pain in the upper abdomen, terrible abdominal distension and often vomiting (no diarrhea).  At first I thought I had food poisoning.    This had happened beginning two years prior maybe once every three or four months.   I thought my stomach had become sensitized to tainted food.  (I made this up....but this is what I began to think.)   Until last April when it happened over and over and over and didn’t quit.   At least four times per week I was in severe pain hanging over the commode.    I discovered by visiting the drug store that I could take Ultra Strength Gas-X at the first symptom of an oncoming attack and reduce the pain and bloating down to one or two hours rather than four.    I tried Beano, but that didn’t seem to work.   Thinking I perhaps couldn’t digest something I was eating, I began to take over-the-counter health food store enzyme tablets when I had a big meal.  I still was sick.    I tried first being fat free, then I tried being lactose free, and then I tried being gluten free.    NOTHING.   The two doctors I had seen at this point did not know what was wrong.   I had LOTS of blood work done, a colonoscopy, an endoscopy, an MRI (which compared previous CT scans) to check for blocked ducts, stones, tumors, etc.   NOTHING.    I even went to the hospital in the middle of a severe attack to have blood drawn to check for pancreatitis.   NOTHING.   So while I was waiting several weeks to see a third doctor at Northwestern Hospital in Chicago, I began to chart my food.    Much to my surprise it seemed that carbohydrates were the culprit.   So I began a regimen of no pasta, no bread, no cereal, no rice, no potatoes.   I soon discovered that I could not eat beets, carrots or spinach either.    So now I began to suspect complex carbohydrates to be the culprit.    

    When I told this to the doctor at Northwestern he looked at me like I was crazy.   He said he never heard of this, talked about a surgery where they cut some sphincter muscle, and said he did not think my condition warranted it, but it was possibility.   He sent me for Celiac/gluten/sprue testing and NOTHING showed up.    When I told him I stayed away from these complex carbs for three weeks and was not sick....he simply said “keep on doing what you are doing.”   Let me know if you get sick again.   I did NOT go back.

    I do get sick occasionally when I try to add “old” favorites back into my diet.   I have a small list of complex carbs from the internet and try to stay away from these things.   I am worried because I ate a lot of whole grains and now I have NONE.    I am worried about my nutrition.   I eat yogurt or oatmeal (I don’t understand why oatmeal does not make me sick) for breakfast.   I eat salad, simple soup, or yogurt for lunch....sometimes eggs.   For dinner I eat chicken or fish and mostly green beans.    My husband and I have not eaten red meat for a long time because he had bladder cancer two years ago (he’s OK now).   However, I cannot seem to get filled up.   I am always hungry.   Now I have added some red meat back into my diet because I need more than just chicken and fish to fill me up.   I used to make meatless meals with pastas and rice, but no more.  I discovered I could eat an Atkins Bar once a day, or perhaps take an Atkins drink for nutrition.  And of all things I can eat as a treat....I eat soft serve yogurt or fudgsicles.   These do not seem to bother me.

    I have lost 40 pounds (not a bad thing for me) since May 1st.

    I do not think I am crazy.   I retired from my job last December and have a wonderful husband who is also retired and we truly enjoy one another’s company.   I have several very fun, and fulfilling hobbies.   And I belong to several women’s groups that fill my days.

    Have you ever heard of an ailment like this?    Can you offer any solutions, ideas, cures?   I would appreciate anything you could tell me or suggestions you could make.

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/23/2011 12:34:53 AM |

    Hi, Avery--

    I'm afraid you're asking a cardiologist with an interest in wheat and its effects on overall health about a complex gastroenterological issue. So I'm afraid I'm unlikely to shed much light on your difficult struggle.

    One thought: Did anybody assess you for bacterial/yeast overgrowth? Various foods, especially wheat, can modify the bacteria of the intestinal tract, such that they are different, more harmful species, and can also ascend higher towards the stomach where they don't belong.

  • Averyclaire

    9/23/2011 8:37:59 PM |

    Thank you Dr. Davis.   I find your book fascinating.   Learning so much about wheat in general puts things in perspective for me.   You seem so knowledgeable about the wheat and other illnesses, I thought you might have heard of my problem.  I have seen two gastroenterologist specialists and an endocrinologist and had lots of tests, but not the bacteria thing.   I will inquire about this.  I appreciate your taking the time to mention this.   I have been taking probiotics, but no cure yet.   I simply stay away from complex carbs.   I did have a lot of heart testing done a couple of years ago and that is super good.  Thanks again.

  • Penny

    9/24/2011 2:46:29 PM |

    Congratulations on the success of your new book!
    How do you feel about products like Garden of Life, Perfect Food, re: wheat grass? Is this something to avoid?

    Thanks, Penny

  • Penny

    9/24/2011 9:12:08 PM |

    opps, it's Garden of Eden. I am interested in adding green products like this to my smoothies. Do you think these will cause any wheat issues? And just from your knowledge do you feel these products are a good source of nutrients for people?


    Thanks, Penny

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/25/2011 12:06:41 AM |

    Hi, Penny--

    The many green products out there, thankfully, are free of wheat contamination. Just be sure to examine the label.

    They are, in general, a wonderful source of nutrients. Modern agricultural techniques have caused nutrients to be depleted and block absorption into the plant. Such supplements may therefore make up for such food-sourced deficiencies.

  • Dr. William Davis

    9/25/2011 12:11:08 AM |

    Let us know what becomes of your situation, Avery.

  • Dacid

    10/4/2011 9:33:04 PM |

    Google the website "the fiber menace" and read the blog and buy the book.  The author nails the coffin lid shut on fiber same as the good doctor does with wheat.

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