NY Times Jane Brody misses the mark



NY Times' health columnist, Jane Brody, recently wrote a bit of fluff for her paper:

"CT Scans of the Heart Come With Trade-Offs


In her report, she says:

Coronary CT scans are being sold directly to the public, and they have found a market in health-conscious people who can afford them. But screening exams can have downsides. They can cause needless worry, and they sometimes reveal other potential conditions that require invasive procedures like biopsies to diagnose.

I soon learned that among the strongest proponents of CT scans of coronary arteries were physicians with financial ties to drug companies that make statins and others connected to imaging centers that would profit directly from widespread CT screenings.



She then goes on to discuss how the Framingham scoring calculation can tell you whether or not you are at low-, intermediate-, or high-risk for heart disease. She therefore concludes that heart scans are therefore irrelevant for the majority of people. She then proceeds to take a statin agent.

This sort of nonsense continues to get published, despite the clear lack of real "digging" for the truth. She clearly fell for the conventional arguments that continue to mis-guide the majority of people, myths like:

--the Framingham scoring system is reliable--Reliable it is NOT; it is susceptible to substantial "misclassification" bias, meaning people who appear low risk can actually be high risk, and people at high risk can actually be low risk. Among the latest studies that question the scoring system is Family history of premature coronary heart disease and coronary artery calcification: Multi-Ethnic Study of Atherosclerosis (MESA). This study pointed out how the Framingham scoring system, which leaves out family history, can cause people classified as low risk to actually have substantial heart scan scores. This is crucial. A heart scan gets beyond the uncertainties and shows with >95% certainty whether or not hidden coronary atherosclerotic plaque is present.

--"Coronary risk" is a dynammic phenomenon, subject to changes in a person's life. What if, for instance, a person smoked for 20 years, quit 10 years ago, lost 30 lbs, dropped their blood pressure as a result of the weight loss, then relied on the Framingham Risk Calculator to determine risk. They would likely be classified as low- risk, since risk factors now appear favorable. This person could easily have a heart scan score of 500, or 700, or 1000, levels that carry a cardiovascular event risk of 5-25% per year, hardly low-risk, because much of their risk accumulated earlier in life and is no longer revealed by an assessment of risk factors.

--There are sources of risk that have nothing to do with Framingham, such as lipoprotein(a), which is often revealed by family history; the presence of small LDL, which co-varies with HDL and triglycerides, but can behave independently also; and, my favorite, deficiency of vitamin D. This would explain part of the 60-70% of people who are typically mis-classified by Framingham.


Where did Ms. Brody get the idea that proponents of heart scans had ties to drug companies? I think she's barking up the wrong tree on that one. Of course, she ends up on a statin drug. For my part, I am a critic of statin drugs. Yes, they play a role, but they are miserably misused and abused by practicing physicians, based on the endless onslaught of drug company-sponsored trials that have served to distort their usefulness.

If I were Ms. Brody, I would be quaking in my shoes, not knowing what my true risk for heart disease was, relying on the--at best--30% reduction in heart attack risk of Lipitor or other statin drug. Ms. Brody: You are not cured, you're simply wearing a superficial Band-Aid. If you want to know your true risk for heart attack, and you want a precise value that you can track over time, the answer is simple: Reject the conventional notion and get a heart scan.

"There must be a mistake"

Neal is our current male record holder for greatest reduction in heart scan score. (Yes, the ladies have the lead!)

You may remember that this 40-year old man reduced his heart scan score from 339 to 161--a 51% drop. If you haven't yet read his story, go to

http://www.cureality.com/library/fl_07-001nealt51.asp


Neal reminded me of the experience he had when he underwent his second heart scan. Both scans had been performed at the same scanning center. At this center, the radiologists provide the added service of sitting down with people and actually going over the images and results.

After the scan, the radiologist pulled up the result from Neal's first scan for comparison. "There must be a mistake! This score is lower. Scores never drop."

The radiologist was apparently stumped, unable to provide an explanation. However, Neal then proceeded to tell the radiologist that we had warned Neal that this could happen and that he might even be told that it was due to error of some sort. This yielded a puzzled look on the radiologist but no further comment.

Of course it's not a mistake. It's something we achieve on purpose. Curiously, I still get comments that this is impossible, heart scan scores never drop, etc. Of course, those of you following this conversation know this is completely untrue. Heart scan scores DO drop, and sometimes drop enormous amounts, as it did for Neal.

I would have liked the radiologist to have had the lightbulb of understanding go off in his head when he realized that a reduction in heart scan score is a cause for celebration. Unfortunately, this radiologist's reaction is all too common: disbelief, confusion, dismissal.

Heart disease reversal is simply not in the realm of understanding of most doctors, radiologists and cardiologists alike. By conventional thought, if you have it, it just gets worse. "Maybe some high-dose Lipitor might help."

Ironically, when they see it right in front of their eyes, plain as day on the computer screen, they don't understand what has happened. It's Greek to them.

Should this happen to you, don't be surprised. Just bite your tongue, because you know better.

Jimmy Moore Interview: Is saturated fat the villain we thought?

Enter "weight loss" or "low carb" in your web search and you can't help but stumble across the prolific and widely-connected Jimmy Moore.

On his Blog, Livin' la Vida Lo Carb , Jimmy conducts a wide-ranging and informative discussion of the benefits of a low carbohydrate diet, a la Atkins. Though his initial claim to fame was the 180 lbs he lost in his first year of dieting on this approach, Jimmy has extended the conversation and built a considerable community of like-minded individuals, all of whom are participating in this grand "experiment."

Anybody who looks at lipoproteins and associated factors in health will quickly come to the conclusion that processed carbohydrates are the culprits in much of heart disease, diabetes, and heart disease. But I have had a hard time dismissing the ill-effects of saturated fat. After all, we've all been taught--drilled--with the idea that saturated fats cause LDL cholesterol to go higher, cause arterial constriction, growth of atherosclerotic plaque, inflammation, even cancer.

But there does indeed seem to be a growing sentinment that this long-held dogma may not be true. So I went to the ever-entertaining and informative Jimmy Moore, an able spokesman for these concepts.




TYP: It's certainly impossible to argue with the success you had in weight loss and the health you've regained on your program.

I think that the approach we use in diet in the Track Your Plaque program and the nutrition approach you advocate overlap to a great extent. We both emphasize plenty of vegetables, fruits, healthy oils, nuts, etc. The major point of difference seems to lie in saturated fat: We say restrict it, you say don't restrict it. Could you elaborate?





JM: Thank you for inviting me to your blog today, Dr. Davis. I have nothing but deep respect and admiration for the work you are doing to help educate others about how to keep their heart health in tip-top shape. Keep fighting the good fight, my friend.

While we do agree on probably 99% of the basic tenets of what I describe as
"livin' la vida low-carb," the issue of saturated fat to me is one where we
indeed do not. It's not a deal breaker regarding my support for what you do
just as I'm sure you would say the same regarding your backing of what I do. If
we all agreed on everything, then what a boring world this would be!

My thinking on saturated fat has evolved since I started eating this way nearly
four years ago. Like most people, I was terrified to eat ANY fat at all because
of the abject fear that people like Dr. Dean Ornish and other so-called health
"experts" instilled in me about how dangerously unhealthy it is to consume it.
This fat phobia is arguably the single biggest contributor to the ongoing
obesity crisis our world faces today.

With that said, you and I both know fat consumption is a part of a healthy
lifestyle. There are just too many benefits to the body that come from the
consumption of fats and even saturated fats such as coconut oil, butter, lard,
nuts, seeds, and animal fat when it is combined with a restricted carbohydrate
intake.

An intriguing study was presented at a scientific conference in November 2006 by two highly-respected researchers--Dr. Stephen Phinney from the University of California at Davis and Dr. Jeff Volek from the University of Connecticut--who conducted a side-by-side comparison of the amount of saturated fat in the blood of people on a low-carb diet with those following those highly-touted low-fat diets. What they found was the low-carb study participants had "significantly less" saturated fat in their blood than the low-fatties did.

Here are the actual numbers from the study:

- LOW-FAT/HIGH-CARB DIETERS: lowered saturated fat by 24%
- LOW-CARB/HIGH-FAT DIETERS: lowered saturated fat by 57%
- Eating 3X the saturated fat cut the amount in the blood in half

In an interview I conducted at my blog with Dr. Volek last year (here's the
link: http://livinlavidalocarb.blogspot.com/2006/09/volek-high-carb-low-fat-diet-useless-to.html),
he said the conventional wisdom regarding fat, especially saturate fat, is dead
wrong while the significance of carbs is all but ignored by those who claim to
understand the metabolic response mechanism.

Here's what Dr. Volek said in my interview:

"Eating fat does not make you fat, storing fat makes you fat. And carbohydrates play a major role in storing fat. So the level of dietary carbohydrate is really the most important factor to control because it dictates what happens to fat. Carbs are dominant and fat is passive. When carbohydrates are low, fat tends to be burned, and when carbohydrates are high dietary fat tends to be stored. The same holds true for the atherogenic effects of saturated fat. The body handles saturated fat better when carbohydrates are low."

Long-time low-carb practitioner and current President of the American Society of Bariatric Physicians (ASBP) Dr. Mary C. Vernon from Lawrence, Kansas confirms the findings of Dr. Volek and Dr. Phinney in a succinct recap of what their research showed.

Here's what she said:

"Eating fat (whatever kind) does not make you fat. It does not increase blood
stream saturated fat. Eating carbs does make you fat. Eating carbs does put
saturated fat in your blood stream."

To me, as a simple layperson with no medical background, it's all a matter of who you believe. Do we continue to buy into the low-fat propaganda machine and assume that what they are telling us about saturated fat is true? Or do we instead start paying closer attention to the latest research that is coming out about saturated fat that doesn't exactly line up with the edicts of the last three decades? The choice for me is a simple one.

And if you haven't read the brand new Gary Taubes book entitled GOOD CALORIES, BAD CALORIES yet, then it is REQUIRED reading to arm yourself with the research studies about fat. After you read that book, it will be almost impossible for ANYONE to believe fat, including saturated fat, is unhealthy.



TYP: In our program, we advocate a wheat-free approach for many people, because of the addictive potential of wheat products, as well as the flagrant creation of the small LDL pattern that wheat products create, thereby adding to atherosclerotic plaque growth. However, many people express a concern over a lack of fiber in their diets if they eliminate whole wheat bread, pasta, Fiber One, Raisin Bran cereal, etc.

Have you encountered any phenomena of low-fiber on your approach?

JM: What an excellent question and I even wrote a humorous blog post about the importance of fiber intake called "Allow Your Bowel To Shake, Rattle, And Roll" (http://livinlavidalocarb.blogspot.com/2006/06/allow-your-bowel-to-shake-rattle-and.html).

Fiber consumption is another one of those issues that not everyone who advocates
a controlled-carb approach agrees is necessary. I'm on the side that it IS a healthy part of your diet and should be consumed in high enough quantities to keep you regular...something many people think is impossible on a low-carb diet.
Not true! I take a fiber supplement like FiberCon, eat plenty of high-fiber vegetables, drink lots of water, and even consume high-fiber, low-carb products that help me maintain high levels of fiber in my diet (see my favorite ones in this post: http://livinlavidalocarb.blogspot.com/2007/04/there-are-plenty-of-low-carb-fiber.html).

As for consuming the highly-touted "healthy whole grain" cereals that you
mentioned, what a travesty that would be for people trying to manage their
weight and health. While the cereal manufacturers have had a heyday in their
marketing efforts promoting their whole grain content, it's all just a big fat
ruse on the public trying to convince them that these cereals are somehow healthy for their bodies. Sure, they're better than the sugary cereals, but all those grains are metabolized as sugar inside the body, so you might as well be eating Lucky Charms and Fruit Loops!

Many of these "healthy" cereals contain as many carbohydrates in a single bowl
without the milk as I would eat in an entire day. Raisin Bran, for example, which used to be my favorite cereal before my low-carb lifestye, has a whopping 47 grams of carbohydrates. Needless to say, I don't touch that with a ten-foot pole nowadays because I would surely gain weight and get back on the blood sugar rollercoaster ride that I was on prior to beginning the Atkins diet on January 1, 2004. Plus, all those carbs just make you hungrier sooner, so it's better just to eat some delicious eggs cooked in butter, a couple of slices of sausage, and tomato slices to start your day off right. You'll get enough fiber in your body the rest of your day.



TYP: 180 lbs of weight loss in your first year is absolutely astounding.

I take it that you've continued this trend and have lost more weight since your early success. What role did exercise play during your first year and subsequently?
How are your food choices today different from that first year?

JM: Yes, that weight loss was indeed one of the greatest accomplishments I have ever experienced in my life. It was a hard-fought battle that even included a 10-week period where I was stalled with no weight loss. But I knew my chosen diet was the right one for me because I felt better than I ever had on a diet, was never hungry because I ate every 2-3 hours, and could see myself doing this for the rest of my life. So far, so good!

It has been close to four years since I began this journey and I am indeed continuing this pathway to better health. My low weight in 2004 was 230 pounds and I currently weigh 225 pounds. As long as I keep my carbs reduced, I am able to maintain my weight right where it is. I've had minor fluctuations in both directions where I got down to as low as 215 pounds at one point (but didn't feel good at that weight) and as high as 252 pounds (when I was allowing myself one too many high-carb foods here and there).

There's a balance that people need to find for themselves and it's different for
all of us. I am one of the unlucky people who has to keep his carbohydrate
intake below 50g daily or I gain. It's just a fact of life that I've come to
grips with and realize is a necessity in order to manage my weight for the rest
of my life. But I wouldn't have it any other way!

Exercise was indeed a part of my low-carb weight loss success in 2004 as I
forced myself to do cardio every single day as a commitment to this journey. In
hindsight, that was probably not the best thing for me to do since the body has
a rather peculiar way of telling you it needs to wiggle and move spontaneously
on its own rather than forcing the issue. But I consider the exercise I did to
be such an integral part of my success that I dedicated an entire chapter of my
book to the subject.

Today, my daily cardio routine is out the window and I choose instead to engage
in activities outside the gym that let me burn calories and have some fun in the
process. I regularly play volleyball, basketball, and referee flag football at
my church which all give me quite a workout. I'm very physically active and fit
on my 6'3" body and just enjoy burning off all this excess energy that I have
been given since losing nearly have my weight! I do want to get into a little
more organized resistance training routine soon to try to shape and tone some
areas of my body that still show signs of that 410-pound man I used to be
(although the loose, hanging skin in my abdomen and inner thighs isn't going to
get any better with exercise since the elasticity has been ruined from being
stretched out so far). Here is a link to some posts and pictures I have written
about this subject:
http://lowcarblinks.blogspot.com/2007/04/theme-based-low-carb-links-loose-skin.html

As for my food choices today compared to my weight loss year in 2004, they
haven't really changed a whole lot. This was a lifestyle change in every sense
of the phrase and I've learned to implement this way of eating into a permanent
and healthy diet that I can and will gladly live with forever and ever amen. I
probably eat more berries, melons, and nuts today than I did then, but otherwise
it's the identical diet.



TYP: I'm sure that you are as impressed as I am that much of the wisdom in healthy eating doesn't always come from doctors or clinical studies, but from the collective wisdom that emerges from this national experiment (inadvertent, for the most part) in eating. Your Livin' La Vida Low-Carb is, in my view, a perfect example of the sort of wisdom that is helping all of us understand what happened to our health over the last 20 years.

Does the approach you advocate today differ in any substantial way from the diet as originally articulated by Dr. Atkins?

JM: Actually, my personal diet is precisely based on the teaching of the late great Dr. Robert C. Atkins in his classic bestseller DR. ATKINS' NEW DIET REVOLUTION (DANDR) book. But most people are surprised when they learn I do not necessarily advocate the Atkins diet as the nutritional approach for everyone.

Nope, I sure don't!

Instead, my philosophy is simple: Find the diet plan that will work for YOU, read and research everything you can about that chosen plan, follow that plan exactly as prescribed by the author of that book, and then KEEP doing that plan for the rest of your life. If you do that, then there's no reason why you can't succeed just like I did.

Anyone interested in doing the low-carb lifestyle and needs help finding which
plan is right for them, let me HIGHLY encourage you to pick up a copy of Dr. Jonny Bowden's LIVING THE LOW-CARB LIFE (read my review: http://livinlavidalocarb.blogspot.com/2005/05/must-have-book-for-everybody-doing-low.html).
It's the perfect overview of low-carb living with a comparison and recap of the
major plans.

THANK YOU again for allowing me to share my story with you and your readers, Dr.
Davis!

TYP: And thanks to you, Jimmy!



For more on Jimmy Moore's lively and informative discussion of these issues, go to

Livin' la Vida Lo Carb

Also, watch "Livin' La Vida Low-Carb on YouTube"

Join the conversation at Jimmy's new low-carb forum called "Livin' La Vida
Low-Carb Discussion
" at LowCarbDiscussion.com


Also, Jimmy's 2005 book on his weight loss experience:
"Livin' La Vida Low-Carb: My Journey From Flabby Fat To
Sensationally Skinny In One Year"

Mammogram of the heart

Some people have called CT heart scans the "mammogram of the heart." The analogy contains a lot of wisdom.

First of all, both--mammograms and CT heart scans--are screening tests, one for cancer, of course, the other for coronary atherosclerotic plaque. Both are performed in specific age groups, mammograms in women 40 years and over (generally), heart scans in women 50 years and over (generally).


















Mammograms: Left, normal; right, a small mass. (Courtesy Nat'l Institutes of Health and Wikipedia.)



Both are also meant to be repeated periodically when normal as a surveillance process.

Both use low quantities of radiation of about 0.3-0.4 mSv (the most real-life measure of total body exposure), a modest quantity of radiation.

Both are good for their purposes, though not perfect. Can a mammogram performed properly miss a small cancerous mass? Sure it can, but it's still unusual. Can a CT heart scan miss the non-calcified plaque prone to rupture? Sure it can, but this is also unlikely (<5% probability).

Given the exorbitant costs of medical tests, both are quite inexpensive. On the flip side, they are both also quite unprofitable for the centers providing the tests. Unfortunately, this means that mammography centers and heart scan centers come and go because of the difficulties of the profit-side of these services.

Both tests initially struggled to gain acceptance among the medical community. In 1960, for instance, mammograms were performed on standard x-ray devices, the same as that used to perform chest x-rays--low precision, high radiation back then. In 1969, dedicated mammography devices made the scene. However, it took over 10 years for even these new dedicated devices to become widely used. Use of mammograms has gradually increased over the ensuing 20 years. In other words, 47 years have passed since the introduction of mammography.

CT heart scans, of course, have had a shorter history of approximately 20 years, since engineer, Dr. Douglas Boyd, first invented the "ultra-fast" EBT devices, the first devices with sufficient scanning speed to scan the heart and coronary arteries.

One interesting difference between the two: In a woman between the age of 50 and 60, the likelihood of detecting cancer is 1 in 237. The likelihood of detecting coronary atherosclerotic plaque? About 1 in 4. Coronary disease eventually kills 1 in 3 females, hugely overshadowing breast cancer in frequency.


Progress on both fronts, one in cancer detection, the other in atherosclerotic coronary plaque detection. But still lots more progress to go.

Dr. Susie Rockway on conjugated linoleic acid (CLA)

I’m fascinated by the perspectives that nutritionists (free-thinking ones, at least), food scientists, and biochemists bring on nutrition and nutritional supplements.

A few months ago, I met a fascinating nutritionist/biochemist named Susie Rockway, PhD. Dr. Rockway brings a world of experience in the world of nutritional supplements, clinical trials with supplements, and their development. She has special expertise in conjugated linoleic acid (CLA), having been among the scientists who initially developed CLA as a supplement. We are also exploring CLA as a possible addition to the Track Your Plaque program and wanted to get Dr. Rockway’s perspectives.

So I asked Dr. Rockway if she’d answer a few questions for us.






TYP: Dr. Rockway, we understand that you are particularly excited about the prospects of CLA for FAT loss and perhaps for regression of atherosclerosis. Can you tell us about the origins of your interest in CLA and why you're so enthusiastic?

Dr. Rockway: I have been fascinated with this unique fatty acid since the early 1990’s when CLA was first being discussed as nature’s most potent anti-carcinogen. I was then working in the granting/funding section of the National Dairy Council and saw this molecule as truly one of the future functional fats that would likely benefit people (next to omega-3’s!)

I think the benefits of CLA have just begun to be investigated—animal studies are extraordinary for showing fat reduction, lean mass (muscle) increases, immune enhancements, blood glucose normalization, anti-inflammatory properties and plaque reduction!

Human data to date is very encouraging for fat reduction. As a nutritionist seeing the massive increase in abdominal fat (stomach fat) in the world population and the direct relationship to cardiovascular disease, I see CLA as a great supplement to take to help this. Of course eating lots of vegetables, fruit, lean protein and whole grain products is also a must for maximizing good health.

I am studying the impact of CLA in reducing muscle loss in aging women—a condition known as sarcopenia. As we lose muscle with age, we lose strength, falls increase, we become frailer, and eventually many of us lose our independence. Along with the muscle atrophy, most people gain fat—never a good thing! So, if CLA can reduce fat and increase muscle, our bodies are more likely to withstand the hurdles that life throws at us much more efficiently.

So, how can you not be excited about this very bioactive molecule?




TYP: What are your specific areas of interest in nutrition and health?

Dr. Rockway: I strive to understand the role of bioactive molecules that can be taken to improve the aging process and enhance health.

As a trained nutritional biochemist, we tend to look at cell metabolism in a very ideal sense: what we learned in our biochemistry texts years ago where all substrates, proteins, enzymes, etc. are made exactly when we need them, where all cells behave as they should.

Unfortunately, little research has been devoted to understanding the changes in metabolism as we age. Do we still produce everything as efficiently as when we were 20? I suspect not. So, I think we need a little help, and supplements are a key to getting there.

Two nutrients that I think are emerging as “super nutrients” are the fatty acids found in fish oil (EPA and DHA) and vitamin D. Where we know these two nutrients are essential for life, we are seeing that they play a huge role in the QUALITY of life. Mood, depression, PMS, wound healing, bone growth, atherosclerosis, and arthritis are clinical areas where we see a direct benefit with doses of omega-3 and Vitamin D that are probably much greater than the RDA. Our current requirements for nutrients are really based on fixing deficiencies and not maximizing health, and maximizing health is where I’m at.

Thus, I am very interested molecules like CLA as mentioned above, and other bioactive ingredients such as plant derived ingredients (phytochemicals) called flavonoids that may well help explain why people who have diets high in fruits and vegetables are less likely to have certain cancers and heart disease. Reducing oxidative stress through foods that provide these active molecules (think colored fruits and veggies) is a new and exciting area of research.



TYP:The big "diet experiment" in America has clearly steered people in the wrong direction, usually by 50 or more pounds. As a scientist in nutrition, what are your thoughts?

Dr. Rockway: The American Heart Association was keen 20 years ago to promote the low-fat diet for all Americans as the key way to reduce cholesterol levels and decrease chance of heart disease, the number one killer of men and women. However, I must admit the nutritional community bought into this one, too. Unfortunately, the general public took this message to reduce percent fat in their diet (and they did a bit), but increased overall calories instead—and a large portion of the increased calories was from simple carbohydrates. I’m convinced that this in itself has been part of the huge rise in obesity…we simply eat more food and it’s not the healthy kind of food either.

When you increase sugar intake beyond what you burn off, you will store some of it as glycogen in the liver and muscles, but you will convert most of the excess into fat—and that we can store very efficiently! The fat that is made in the liver is sent to the blood as VLDL’s which are the precursor to the class of lipids called low density lipoproteins (LDL) that are the “lethal” type of cholesterol circulating in our blood.

So, Americans now have to listen to a new message that they need to eat more fruits and vegetables in hopes they will cut down on fast foods—tending to be high in fat (saturated particularly), low in fiber and low in nutrients and other high calorie dense foods. We nutritionists have our work cut out for us, that’s for sure.



TYP: We are especially excited that nutritionists are assuming a leading role in shining light on the confusion in diet and nutrition that has characterized the last 40 years. Do you have a sense for the emerging important issues for the next 10 years?

Dr. Rockway: Certainly, the scientists in the nutritional field are well aware of the problems facing this nation—it’s in fixing them that we fall short!

We aren’t very well coordinated to get a single message out, nor do we all agree on what that message should be. I feel that people need to eat healthy MOST OF THE TIME, exercise all of the time, and take supplements that have clear evidence of benefit. Lots of my colleagues would not concur with supplement use. Our bodies were designed to move a lot and eat a lot…we just do the latter now and are paying the price!

One emerging and very exciting area that we have to teach Americans is that all fat is not bad. The different types of fat—omega-6 vs. omega-3, are where we need to focus our education.

Decreasing the corn oil we pour on everything needs to go out the window! Consume olive oil and eat fish or take fish oil supplements—we simply have tons and tons of research showing the benefits of reducing the ratio of omega-6 to omega-3. Did you know that cattle that are grass fed actually have less omega-6 in their tissues and more CLA? But most cattle are fed corn-based diets, so we have perturbed their natural selection of food and their fat composition.

See, it all comes back to CLA!


TYP: Thanks, Susie!




Susie Rockway, Ph.D., C.N.S.

Dr. Susie Rockway is an experienced scientist with accomplishments in both the academic and food and supplement industry business directing science/technology research. Her background includes faculty appointments at the graduate level in teaching and research at Rush University Medical Center and industrial experience managing basic and applied research studies.

Dr. Rockway received her Ph.D. in Nutritional Sciences, Biochemistry from the University of Arizona. Dr. Rockway has authored several publications in journals such as the Physiological Genomics, Journal of Nutrition, the Journal of Food Science, International Archives of Occupational and Environmental Health and has published chapters on nutrition on inflammatory bowel diseases. She is a member of the American Society for Nutrition, American Oil Chemists Society, the Institute of Food Technology, American College of Nutrition and is a Certified Nutrition Specialist.

We're also proud to add Dr. Rockway to our panel of Track Your Plaque Experts.

Which is better?

If you have the common pattern of high LDL particle number (NMR) with small LDL--a pattern highly related to coronary plaque--which is better:




Lipitor or a combination of fish oil, vitamin D, and elimination of wheat?


Lipitor quite effectively reduces LDL particle number, usually on the order of 40% or so. Effect on LDL particle size: None. Side-effects: plenty, including muscle aches (inevitable in my experience, not the ridiculous 2% they claim) and occasionally mental effects such as impaired short-term memory.

Lipitor does seem to exert a modest effect on reduction of C-reactive protein, around 30%. It also reduces cardiovascular events by 30%.



A combination of fish oil, vitamin D, and elimination of wheat:

Reduces LDL particle number commonly by a similar 40% (though variable, depending on body weight). There is substantial improvement in LDL particle size, a large drop in C-reactive protein, often >50%, a 30% or more reduction in cardiovacular events.



On this combination, however, you also:

--Lose weight, often substantially.

--Improve bone health, esp. osteoporosis and arthritis.

--Reduce cancer risk from the vit D supplementation.

--Reduce risk of stroke.

--Reduce postprandial (after-eating) abnormalities like intermediate-density lipoprotein.

--Reduce winter blues.

--Experience more energy.

--Obtain increased clarity of thought (from elimination of wheat).

--Reduce blood pressure.


Oh, and there's no muscle aches.

Heart health for stupid people

I'm kidding.

What I'm referring to is the incredibly lame information I come across that passes as "heart health" on the internet, magazines, and other media. Just to keep abreast of what is being said, I subscribe to multiple newsletters and magazines and I witness the sorts of advice offered to the reading public.

A recent long-winded article on a popular website listed the "exciting" strategies available for a healthy heart:

Eat healthy--by eating a "balanced" diet low in saturated fat

Don't smoke

Exercise

Don't ignore chest pain symptoms or breathlessness

Know your numbers! meaning your cholesterol numbers. "If your cholesterol is high, you may need to speak to your doctor about medication to reduce it."


Surely they must all believe we're stupid. Otherwise, why would they repeat the same obvious information over and over again? Quit smoking? Gee, you think so?

How about some real heart healthy advice:

Get a heart scan--since we have to accept that cholesterol values are a miserable failure in detecting hidden heart disease. So is waiting for symptoms to appear.

If you have any measure of coronary plaque, ask your doctor to assess lipoproteins, not lipids (cholesterol).

Take fish oil for omega-3 fatty acids--At a dose of 1000 mg or more of EPA + DHA, heart attack risk is reduced by at least 28%.

Eliminate wheat and other processed carbohydrates --Small LDL has emerged as the number one cause of coronary plaque, not high cholesterol from saturated fat.

Get vitamin D assessed--The effects are huge--HUGE. There's already a study in a kidney disease population that showed a substantial reduction in mortality with vitamin D supplementation. More data are coming, including our own.


That's a start--truly effective, practical heart healthy strategies that go way beyond the conventional bland advice.


Copyright 2007 William Davis, MD

Money, money, money, money

I've been asked the question numerous times:

Why aren't heart scans more popular?

First, let me qualify by saying that heart scan have indeed grown in popularity over the past decade. I think the real question is:

Given the enormous usefulness of CT heart scanning to detect hidden, asymptomatic coronary atherosclerotic plaque, why haven't they more readily been incorporated into conventional medical practice?

That's easy: There's no money in it.


Say, for instance, your doctor orders a heart scan and somehow receives a $1000 for the test. Scan centers would be scanning 100 people a day, falling over themselves to do scans.

This would be similar to a heart catheterization. Order a catheterization, do 30 minutes of work, and get $1000. Or, order a nuclear stress test. Depending on how its done and where, $1800-4000 is paid by the insurer.

Order a CT heart scan and how much is paid to the doctor? Usually nothing. At most, a nominal fee might be paid if the doctor reads the scan.

With heart scans, there simply is no big payoff.

We learned the implications of this situation 10 years ago when I was trying to help my friend, Steve Burlingame, the owner of Milwaukee Heart Scan. (I am NOT and NEVER WAS an owner.) Steve was trying to let everybody know about this great new $2 million dollar heart scan device in the Milwaukee area.

The first few years were tough for Steve: Carrying the substantial expense of this device while doctors essentially gave the technology the cold shoulder. It simply did not fit into the financial equation. Why change the way things were, particularly when there was virtually no financial reason to do so? To counter this, Milwaukee Heart Scan followed the model many other scan centers have followed and marketed directly to the public.

I see this as yet another example of why people need to take control of health care away from doctors and hospitals, the current controllers of the system who are providing a disservice to the public they are supposed to be serving. These institutions, for the most part, serve their self-serving financial interests, not your health interests. It's the same equation that drives food manufacturers to make more and more processed carbohydrate foods that they sell for substantial markups, not green peppers and cucumbers that make little money.

I regard heart scans as among the greatest self-empowering tools in health ever conceived. It was that way in 1997; it remains that way in 2007.

The many faces of LDL

Ginnie came in for an opinion about her heart scan score of 393. At age 57, this put her in the 99th percentile, a high score.

As usual, we did a lipoprotein analysis by NMR (Liposcience). Some numbers:

LDL cholesterol: 96 mg/dl
This value puts Ginnie's LDL in the most favorable 25% in the country.


LDL particle number: 2140 nmol/l
This value is in the worst 25% of the country and is the equivalent of an LDL cholesterol of 214 mg/dl (take off the zero).

In addition, over 90% of Ginnie's LDL particles fell into the small class.

Had we run some other values, how would they have turned out? These are my estimates (since we didn't actually run them in Ginnie), but having run side-by-side numbers in past, reasonable estimates would have put:

Apoprotein B somewhere in the 120 to 140 mg/dl range

Direct LDL 100-130 mg/dl range.


In other words, conventional calculated LDL is the least reliable of all the ways of examining low-density lipoprotein.

It can also go the other way: High calculated LDL, low LDL particle number or ApoB or direct LDL. And, indeed, these other measures have proven superior in their ability to predict "events" like heart attack over conventional calculated LDL.

Unfortunately, relying on conventional LDL is like a broken speedometer on your car. You really can't gauge accurately how fast you're going; sometimes you could be way off. While insurance companies and many physicians still continue to balk at this argument, the data have already been generated that show that lipoprotein analysis (my bias is NMR) is not just superior, but enormously superior for accuracy and event prediction.

In addition, lipoprotein analysis has proven a crucial tool that accounts for our extraordinary success in reducing and controlling CT heart scan scores in the Track Your Plaque program. I doubt that we could have achieved the same level of success using conventional lipids.

I'm also aware of the logistical difficulties obtaining lipoprotein testing in a world enthusiastically supportive of hospital procedures and smugly ignorant of superior prevention tools like lipoprotein analysis. I've learned just how difficult it can be in our Track Your Plaque Member Forum; I've also learned about some strategies for obtaining these tests that I hadn't been aware of, thanks to the resourcefulness of our Members.

We will be working on some solutions in the coming months.


Copyright 2007 William Davis, MD

What does "Success" mean in the Track Your Plaque program?

Say you begin with a CT heart scan score of 400.

You correct your lipoprotein pattterns, take fish oil, correct 25-OH-vitamin D3 to 50 ng/ml, correct your other hidden patterns, follow a diet suited to your patterns.

One year later, you get another heart scan. What score would constitute "success"?

With all of our recent talk about record-setting reductions in heart scan scores, is it really necessary to drop your score that much to succeed?

For instance, is our latest record-setting 63% drop in score better than "only" a 10% drop in score? Both represent reversal of coronary plaque. Both signify huge reductions in risk for plaque rupture, or heart attack.

You can read about how we view the various forms of success in the program by reading our latest Track Your Plaque Special Report, Winning Your Personal War with Heart Disease: The Track Your Plaque 5 Stages of Success.

We are making the Report available to everyone. Just go to the www.cureality.com homepage.
The dreaded niacin "flush"

The dreaded niacin "flush"

As most anybody who takes niacin knows, it can cause a hot flushed feeling over the chest and face that is generally harmless, though quite annoying.

Many doctors are frightened by this response and will warn patients off from niacin. Some people who take niacin are so annoyed that they find it intolerable.

However, a very simple maneuver can relieve the hot flush in over 90% of instances: Drink water. Let me explain.

I usually instruct patients to take niacin at dinnertime. That way, food slows absorption modestly. I also ask them to drink water with dinner. If the flush occurs after dinner (usually 30-60 minutes later), then drinking two 8-12 oz glasses of water immediately breaks the flush within 3 minutes in the great majority of people. It's quite dramatic.

Doing this around dinner (lunch works just as well) allows sufficient time to clear the excess water from your body before bedtime and spare you the aggravation of disrupted sleep to urinate. Drinking plenty of water works most of the time. Only an occasional person will need to take a 325 mg uncoated aspirin to more fully break the flush. I generally suggest that patients keep the uncoated aspirin in reserve if the water doesn't provide relief within a few minutes.

Thankfully, the intensity of the niacin flush lessens, often disappears, with chronic use.

Why do some people develop the flush and other don't? It is believed that some people metabolize niacin more rapidly to a compound called nicotinuric acid, a niacin metabolite that causes dilation (relaxation) of skin capillaries--thus the flush. The rapidity of converting niacin to nicotinuric acid is determined genetically.

An occasional person really struggles with niacin to the point of intolerance. However, on the positive side, these people may also be "hyper-responders" to niacin, i.e., they show exagerated benefits in raising HDL, reducing small LDL, etc., from small doses such as 250 mg per day.

If you experience the hot flush of niacin, think water to put out the fire.

Comments (55) -

  • Anne

    5/18/2007 3:17:00 AM |

    I had a severe reaction to my first dose of niacin - wish I could remember what dose was prescribed. I not only had a flush, but I itched all over and my face and mouth swelled up. Was that an allergy or can the niacin flush get that bad.

  • Dr. Davis

    5/18/2007 11:29:00 AM |

    Hi,Anne--
    Your reaction is a rare variety that I've seen only a handful of times. There's no such thing as allergy to niacin itself, though someone rarely can be allergic to another component in the capsule. It is possible to take niacin after such a reaction, but you need to work with your doctor. I've re-introduced niacin after such reactions at very small doses of, say, 50 mg (immediate-release) and built up very slowly over months, even years. This has worked out well.

  • Anne

    5/19/2007 10:08:00 PM |

    Thank you for your answer. The niacin I was prescribed was Niaspan. I can ask my cardiologist if there is a gentler brand and a lower dose.

  • Kathy and Wes

    7/26/2007 10:42:00 PM |

    My reaction to 500mg of niaspan was burning from head to foot 2 1/2 hours after taking it. In addition, my heart was beating so fast I couldn't believe it.  If felt like I was being burned with a curling iron all over my body.  The only thing I could do to relieve it was to splash cold water all over me.  My Dr. wants me to try it again. taking a baby aspirin an hour before hand.   I only had this twice out of four times.  But I am very afraid to try it.  It lasts almost an hour.

  • Kathy and Wes

    7/26/2007 10:48:00 PM |

    My Dr. put me on 500mg of Niaspan. I have taken it 4 times and twice had the worst reaction.  I became beat red from head to toe, and my skin felt like I was being burned with a curling iron.  The only relief I could get was to splash water on my skin.  This lasted almost an hour.  My heart was also pounding at an excelerated pace.  My physician would like me to try it one more time with a baby aspirin, which I did once.  Are you sure that it is safe with a reaction like that?

    Thanks

    Kathy

  • Dr. Davis

    7/27/2007 12:05:00 AM |

    Plenty of water--meaning 16-24 oz, if okay with your doctor--with your niacin can be very helpful in the beginning. In my experience, people who live with chronic dehydration (there's lots) struggle the most with niacin.

  • Dr. Davis

    7/27/2007 12:07:00 AM |

    Kathy--

    I can NEVER offer medical advice online.

    I can only tell you that I've had many people navigate through these feelings just by paying attention to hydration. Only an occasional person is truly unable to tolerate it.

    Another option I use in my patients is to induce "tolerance" by accepting a small dose, e.g., 250 mg SloNiacin (Upsher Smith) for several months, and increase it very slowly. But you need to discuss this with your doctor.

  • Doris

    7/28/2008 3:50:00 PM |

    I have taken Niacin for over two years. By brother-in-law was in the emergency room with flushing. The doctor had given him Niacin and told him to take a big dose daily. I can't remember if it was 2000mg for sure, but I think it was. I began at 100 mg and on the fifth day went to 200 mg. After taking that for 4 days I upped it to 300 mg. You get the pattern. I eventually made it up to 3000 mg. I buy it at the health food store in the mall because the Niacin in the discount stores tend to be nonflushing. I still flush occasionally, but not severely. I enjoy the flush as I know, or pretend,that is where the little niacin crumbles are eating up the cholesterol. Ha. Good luck. I found this suggestion online posted by a doctor.
    btw, I have itched a bunch for maybe 10 minutes while it flushed. My flushes are not too severe to continue. I did go off Niacin and am restarting because I looked online for Niacin overdoses and I had some of the symptoms. I decided I had got too high on dosing.

  • Jenn

    8/22/2008 1:31:00 PM |

    Why is Niaspan considered a better medication (at least by my doctor) than over the counter niacin, when it causes so much more flushing? On regular Niaspan, I don't flush every day, but if I do, it's anywhere from 2-18 hours after I take it. My doctor started me on the Niaspan-Crestor combination, and I can set my watch by it- 8 hours after I take it, every day.
    It's hard to get ready for work, when my face is blotchy and puffy and it hurts to apply makeup or comb my hair. Is flushing connected to diet and exercise? That is, is it supposed to make you flush if you eat the wrong things or don't exercise? I can't understand why my doctor would insist on my using Niaspan unless he's trying to use the flushing as a behavior modification program.

  • Anonymous

    9/1/2008 9:22:00 PM |

    I had an odd reaction to Niacin.  After eight wonderful days of taking it, I woke up one evening with a feeling that my body was on fire from head to toe.  Remembering that I needed to take an aspirin when flushing had occurred, I went to the kitchen where I had a series of seizures.  Upon eliminating everything in me, we called an ambulance.  
    The ER physician said it was a normal reaction and to continue to take the medication as prescribed.  I called my family doctor the next morning and he said I did have a reaction, which I stopped at that moment.  
    So, did I have an allergic reaction to the medication or just a seizure out of no where?

    Thanks,
    Tina

  • Murf from WA

    10/13/2008 8:20:00 PM |

    this doc is cool but u guys are all a bunch of little whiners! Niacin flush is such a rush I can literally feel all the toxins leaving my body and it feels GREAT. so quit complaining. this "flush" is doing you good. I assure you. The whole point is to flush. calling the ER because you are flushing may be a sign that you are a hypochondriac. maybe u should see a therapist?

  • Anonymous

    10/18/2008 2:56:00 PM |

    I agree w/"murph" but not so aggressively--the flush is good, good, good.  You are just freaking out a little but because it's odd and unusual to you, at first.  You should be flushing, it's increased blood flow that is getting all the nasty stuff out of your system and after the pinkness subsides I have been asked about what I'm doing with my skin because it's glowing!  I swear my skin looks clearer and more youthful.  I take it when I wake up, before breakfast & a shower and by the time I get to work my pink is gone, I'm more awake & my skin is glowing.  LOVE IT, DON'T FEAR IT.

  • PinkyTink

    10/30/2008 4:37:00 PM |

    I used to work in a pharmaceutical - packaging niacin. I would have my hands gloved, my arms covered, my hair in a net and wearing scrubs with a lab coat over them - just inhaling the niacin while working with it in raw form left me very sensitized to niacin reactions, which I attribute more to a feeling of a bad sunburn for about an hour. I too have had difficulty breathing and swelling of my esophagus during a reaction after higher doses or inhalation during the time I worked in the lab.
    I do not feel those who are speaking here are hypochondriacs and unless you've gone through something, you should really not judge others their symptoms - clearly the seizure person would argue you that their issue was not in her mind, do you not agree?
    I personally just find the reaction plain annoying, but have had to adhere to my doctor's warning of being wary of certain forms and doses of niacin due to my persistent reaction post-contact... those who do not understand this, i have no worries; nor am I whining or complaining - facts are facts - they are what they are - I make no apologies for stating them. Enjoy your day Smile

  • New to Niacin

    11/6/2008 2:45:00 AM |

    I agree with PinkyTink that the feeling most like a niacin flush is like a sunburn. Here's my account for those interested in case studies. I tried niacin (250mg) for the first time two days ago and thought "well, this feels nice; it's kind of hot and tingly as if I were blushing over my entire body." If some is good, more is better, right? Wrong! Yesterday I tried 500mg, encouraged by the fact that the recommended dose is 1-2 grams, and determined to fix my cholesterol problem all in 1 day. Nope. I spent about 3 hours with what felt like the worst sunburn that I've ever had (and being a native to SoCal, I've had a few). The burn started on my face, which was fine since it doesn't touch anything. It then included my face, shoulders and upper torso, which was moderately annoying but I was able to continue working. At the 1 hour mark or so, the fire had engulfed my lower torso and my buttocks as well so I kneeled in front of my computer (the prickling and burning too intense to put pressure on) to work. About a half an hour after that, my entire body was on fire and I just gave up and paced around until the intensity was bearable at about the 2.5 hour mark. It was incredibly itchy from the 1.5-2.5 hour mark, and I did rub and put an ice pack on excessively itchy spots occasionally, which relieved a bit of the discomfort. (I didn't know about the dehydration fix, so I'll try that next time.) I am planning on continuing with niacin, but with a slower increase to get my tolerance up, YMMV. To those who don't think the flush is a big deal or pretty debilitating, we may be describing different levels of intensity.

  • headlightsonthehighway

    11/28/2008 6:28:00 AM |

    I've taken half of a 100mg dose and it usually causes just a bit of flushing for around 15 minutes. But tonight I decided to take the whole 100mg and my face not only felt like it was on fire, it went to my hands, then arms, neck, shoulders, then my legs. My face (mostly my nose and upper lip) swelled up and I looked like I had fallen asleep at the beach for 8 hours. My heart raced and I was afraid that maybe I was having an allergic reaction, but after about an hour, it subsided. I will only take the smaller doses from now on. The flushing isn't so bad, but the swelling scared me a little.

  • Anonymous

    3/17/2009 12:03:00 PM |

    I had an intense, long-lasting niacin flush similar to the worst mentioned on here. I also have some menopausal flushing (even with estrogen), rosacea, and migraines. People with any of those conditions should be careful about niacin. I don't think it is all that rare to have a very bad reaction to it, because there are a lot of people who have one or more of these conditions.

  • Kaylin

    5/1/2009 4:25:00 AM |

    I took 500mg of niacin today and had quite a flush!  It was a very good thing that I happened to be at my parents' house with my three young children instead of driving, because after my skin felt sunburn-hot and turned beet-red all over, everything started looking very bright and I would have passed out if my mom hadn't led me to a bed to lay down.  I am so thankful she was there because she had to take care of my kids while I laid on the bed for a couple of hours recovering.  Almost passing out is not a hypochondriac invention, people!  I thank the good doctor for his information as I am encouraged to continue taking niacin, but at much smaller doses until my body gets used to it.

  • Michele

    5/18/2009 3:03:00 PM |

    Hi. I was doing fine on 500 mg of time-released niacin twice a day for five months with only minor flushes. Yesterday, about four hours after taking the first 500 mg pill, my face flushed beet red and got very hot. Ditto for my upper back. Can this be due to the niacin, even though I didn't just start taking it and the flush occurred hours after I took one?

  • Anonymous

    5/29/2009 11:09:11 PM |

    I just bought a new multivitamin at a health store and didn't notice it's huge level of niacin and I had a severe reaction like some of you described...full body sunburn, itching, rash, burning, and swelling of upper lip. My heart raced. I had to run home from work and take a Clonidine that I had for rosacea flushes and a benedryl (probably a bad idea, but I was desperate for relief) and am still waiting for some relief. I would beware of the flushes...those of us with rosacea know, with every flush comes inflammation and capillary damage which can age you and ruin your complexion.

  • Cookie

    6/12/2009 2:43:40 AM |

    Be careful advising people that there is no such thing as a niacin allergy. I cannot even tolerate 2 bites of food that has been supplemented with it, without my lips swelling and burning and itching starting. I first discovered my allergy to it by taking it as a supplement by itself. I broke out in hives and itched terribly for a few days. I didn't want to believe it, so I took it again a month later. Repeat, only worse this time. I can't even take it in any form, energy drinks, cereal bars or B100. I drink 2 quarts of water daily, and as much as I can more,
    when I realize I have eaten it in something by accident. This is the most serious itching and welts I have ever experienced. Hoping this helps someone else, Laura

  • Dr. William Davis

    6/12/2009 7:37:47 PM |

    Cookie--

    You do NOT have a niacin allergy. If you did, you would not be alive. Niacin is required for human life.

    What you have is an unusual idiosyncratic reaction. This does not mean that niacin is safe. It means that you are among the rare exceptions in tolerance to greater than pellagra-preventing doses of this B vitamin.

  • Cookie

    6/20/2009 3:57:39 PM |

    Hi Dr Davis,
    I do believe you may be right that the allergy is not just Niacin alone. I have found I have severe reactions to Niacinamide, but not Niacin alone. I looked up the difference on Wikipedia and they are very close in their chemical makeup and definition. But, they are not the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niacinamide
    The bond is N,O,NH2

    Whereas, the bond for Niacin is N,O,OH.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niacin
    I am no scientist, but my body certainly knows the difference.
    I hope this helps someone else.

  • Anonymous

    7/26/2009 3:54:52 AM |

    A doctor told me to take a baby asprin and 500 mg of niacin for one week then increase it to 1000 mg.  Presently, I am on my third day of 500 mg, here is my experience with flushing.  The first day was no problem.  I took one baby asprin before my meal and the 500 mg of niacin after my meal. I felt like I had a bad sunburn, but everything was fine. I noticed I didn't turn red where I was sitting, but everywhere my skin was exposed was red and hot.  Day 2 - I took 2 baby asprins before my meal and 500 mg of niacin after my meal. The flushing was almost unbearable.  Quite different from day 1.  I stripped my clothes off because I couldn't stand anything on my skin, stood in front of a fan, and iced my body.  Then I remembered about yesterday the parts of my body that were covered did not have a bad sensation, so I put clothes back on and jumped in bed with covers.  That did help relieve the symptoms.  Today is day 3.  I was scared because I didn't want a repeat of yesterday.  I thought about reducing my dose, but I had a plan.  I took 2 baby asprins before my meal and 2 motrin and 500 mg of niacin after my meal. I put on long pants and a long sleeve turtleneck sweater, and had an ice pack ready for my face and hands. The flushing episode went really well. I didn't even have a bad sunburn feeling.  It was just slight.  I don't know if this will work for anyone else or on day 4.

  • Anonymous

    7/27/2009 1:54:58 AM |

    Day 4 - I did the same thing as day 3.  I took 2 baby asprins before my meal and 2 motrin and 500 mg of niacin after my meal. I put on long pants and a long sleeve turtleneck sweater.  I had very slight hotness in my hands and face.  That is it.  I didn't need an ice pack today. I don't know why this method works, but if it will help anyone else I'm glad I posted my comments.

  • Laxana's World

    8/7/2009 3:28:40 AM |

    I had never been told about any reaction to Niacin...I took it before dinner and thought I was on fire...I found this site and drank water and took aspirin...it helped, but a cool water bath w/ baking soda and time finally made it better (it's been three hours and my skin is still extremely sensitive and somewhat flushed)...this has been one of the more unpleasant side effects to any medication.  I want to continue to lower my cholesterol, and already take red rice yeast and fish oil...I don't know if I can continue the niacin...no fun.

  • Phil5115

    8/22/2009 9:55:04 AM |

    I get the itching and burning as well, but the worst is a swelling sensation in my ears.  Not pleasant, but my triglycerides are improving.

  • Anonymous

    8/31/2009 6:56:12 PM |

    Being flushed is nothing.  I took an over the counter niacin tablet and besides turning as red as a lobster (no exaggeration--I was the color of a stop sign) my blood pressure fell fast and I landed on the floor unconscious.  There are those of us with a severe reaction to niacin supplements; it is not trivial and it is well worth thinking about.  Having such a precipitous drop in pressure is dangerous.

  • robert

    9/2/2009 11:08:39 PM |

    Hmmm...I take niacin like this - 0500- 500mg SloNiacin; 0900- 500 mg Miacin; 1200- 500 mg Niacin; 1600- 500mg Niacin: I rarely flush and when I do, it is extremely mild and does not even register. I don't know what all the fuss is about. Maybe I am taking it incorrectly?

  • Kris

    10/17/2009 12:59:22 AM |

    The only time I get a flush is when I have eaten garlic and then taken the niacin.  It is not pleasant and scared me very badly the first time.  I do not know why this happens.  Has anyone else had a similar experience?

  • Anonymous

    10/26/2009 7:26:52 PM |

    My experience was extreme. I have been taking the Niacin with Crestor for 3 days. When I sat down to lunch today I suddenly felt warm and took off my sweater. within 2 minutes I was burning in agony from head to foot and my body was shaking. I was itching, shaking and burning while my heart was racing. I was beyond beat red and it was far more painful than any sunburn I had ever experienced. I was in tears and scared witless. I am a 40 year old ex football player. I am not afraid of a little pain, this was torture! I felt like someone was burning every inch of skin from my body all at once and I could do nothing but lie down and scream. My Wife called the doctor who said it was normal and would pass. My triglycerides were about 108 but my doctor wants to see them at 80. For those who think it's just whining, I hope you never have to experience what I have just gone through! I wouldn't put that on anyone no matter how cluless they were. Until you've experienced a severe reaction, do not even try to minimize the pain. It is beyond belief. That was 4 hours ago and I am still itching.

  • Doug

    11/17/2009 7:24:50 PM |

    I have used Efudex and fluoruracil for treatment of Actinic Keratosis with the last treatment 2 years ago.  Since then, my arms barely show any signs of damage, but my legs still showed the damage which would be more prevalent when I got hot and sweaty.  I took my first 500 mg dose of Niacin 4 days ago at night.  I only felt a little flushing and tingling, and didn't think it was bad at all.  The next day, my legs looked as bad as they did after using the fluoruracil for 4 weeks.  I have not taken another dose of Niacin and my skin has not improved at all.  I think the Niacin is telling me that the Actinic Keratosis was not destroyed on my legs.  Do dermatoligists use Niacin to make AK's more pronounced so that they can find them?  Will my current condition get better?

  • John

    12/20/2009 2:18:28 AM |

    Hello, all! I have been taking Niacin daily for more than 30 years. I don't take it for cholesterol but rather as a treatment for Meniere's Disease but that's another story entirely. I believe because of the length of time that I've been a Niacin user that I have more experience with it than perhaps anyone, anywhere. I can go months without a flush and then I can experience a mild flush eveery day for a week. I flush much more with non-timed release forms than with timed release forms. Some times I experience a really bad flush. I mean REALLY bad. Not just the feeling that's akin to the worst sunburn that I've ever experienced but the feeling that the skin on my face weighs many pounds more than it possibly could and if it gets REALLY bad, my stomach tightens up as though it wants to screw itself into a tiny, tiny ball, nearly doubling me over. Twicee in my life I have come perilously close to passing out during a flush. Once while driving and the second just about an hour ago tonight. Tonight's was the worst that I have ever experinced by far. It got so bad that I actually feared that I was on the verge of dying. This flush lasted far longer than any before it. Usually they pass in 15-20 minutes for me but tonight's effects have drawn out for more than an hour. As I type this post, my hands are still shaking as I am "coming down" from the flush. The thing of it is though that I knew it was going to be bad tonight, just not this bad. You see, I usually take my Niacin in the form of a timed-release caplet (Slo Niacin) early in the morning and if I forget to take it early in the day, the likelihood of a bad flush increases the later that I take it. Yesterday I realized at 3PM that I hadn't taken my Niacin so, fearing the severee flush, I simply didn't take it at all. Today, I once again forgot to take it early and risked taking it at 4PM. The flush didn't hit me until 7 but when it did, it grew slowly and to a height I had never experienced. WOW!I'm just about back to normal after an hour and a quarter!!! I just read the advice about taking an aspirin and I will keep some on hand in case it gets this bad again. I also think I'll make a SERIOUS effort to remember to take it first thing in the morning from now on!

  • Bram

    1/26/2010 1:50:43 AM |

    Hi,

    I really had to post a comment too.
    After reading John's post I felt a lot better. I also had the worst flush ever today. Normally i take 1000 Mg Niacin twice a week, but last week I skipped my doses, just to give my body a little time for itself. Normally the flush starts after 1-1.5 hours and than slowly my body starts to feel a little bit hot from top down, not too bad, kind of nice even. Today after 20 minutes or so, in one second my head became SUPERHOT, my lips and my facial muscles felled paralized, my heart started racing (maybe because of the new strange experience) I looked in the mirror and my complete face was hanging down. I've never seen this before so my heart started beating faster and I started hyperventilating. At that moment I really thought it was the end of my life. It was really bad. But now I know I'm not alone so we'll see what happens next time;
    Maybe a smaller dose, this was really scary.

  • Anonymous

    1/30/2010 9:07:17 PM |

    I started taking niacin yesterday (250 pil per day), no flush, but today I experienced it.  Ears got hot, then face then upper body.  Slight itching.  it lasted about 30 minutes.  Nice.
    I wonder if it is ok to have a glass of wine while taking niacin pills?
    thanks

  • Anonymous

    2/17/2010 3:48:50 AM |

    Anonymous don't drink wine.  I had the swelling of the lips, face, I looked like my face was about to explode, it was tightened and my face looked like a 20 year olds skin, I itched for 2 hours scratching my arms raw.  I laugh about it now when I read your post, but I was scared.

  • Barbara

    3/28/2010 10:05:40 AM |

    So my cardiolgist told me to take 1 325 mg aspirin 30 minues before bed & 2 Niaspan at bed time.  twice now I have been up for 3-5 hours with the flushing reaction from hell. The thing is I get hives when I get hot. The itching from the flush coupled with the itching from the hives caused by the heat is unbearable. I burn from  head to toe & even went outside to cool off, in just a tank top, in Colorado, with a foot of snow on  the ground. Still burning. The water does seem to be helping. From now on I'll eat at bedtime & dring 24 oz of water to help. I have to work 7 hours today with no sleep.  This stinks.

  • Anonymous

    7/4/2010 10:40:02 PM |

    Hey, I have no problem with the niacin flush (actually feels good -- and I feel great afterwards). However, I stupidly tried the non-flush niacin (because the pharmacist recommended it) which also contained inositol... I had an allergic reaction for the first time in my life (lasted six hours). Had to go to the hospital. Never touching no-flush or inositol supplements again. Real niacin only (you have to ask for it over the counter here).

  • Anonymous

    7/4/2010 10:47:47 PM |

    To continue previous post: I would avoid Niaspan or extended-release niacin or inositol if you have the allergic reactions as posted above (unbearable hives, itching and heat). Real niacin effects lasts about a half an hour and feel good -- and if you don't like that feeling just use an aspirin half an hour before taking it. The actual allergic reaction I experienced with inositol or "no-flush" niacin (as others above obviously have) is hell. Besides, scientifically, only real niacin works for cholesterol or depression (no-flush and time-release are an upselling marketing scam). There is a HUGE difference between the allergic reaction (to inositol, no-flush, and time release) and the normal real niacin flush.

  • Anonymous

    7/4/2010 10:56:53 PM |

    Addendum to previous two posts: the allergic reaction I had started a few hours after I too the no-flush/inositol. The redness and hives covered my entire upper torso, the unbearable itching appearing in random places. The hives and itching became so bad I jumped in a cool shower for over 2.5 HOURS because I was worried that just scratching myself would leave scars. I finally went to the hospital and was given benadryl. Took another hour to go away. Avoid no-flush or inositol or time-release if you have the allergic reactions.

  • Anonymous

    7/20/2010 9:32:53 PM |

    I was taking a rather small dose, a 100mg mega B vitamin. I got the flushing red response, but then my breathing got rather weak and I had to lie down. I tried another pill a week later and exactly the same thing happened. I got really light headed and was forced to lie down.

    Allergy? I see you guys trying 1000mg... how can I react so strongly to 100?

  • Newton Kinglsley IV

    9/29/2010 3:39:50 PM |

    You're probably right about that water. I took 200 mg today with breakfast, a dose that usually doesn't cause me grief. But damn was I baked today. Felt like I was being burned alive and my skin filleted off with razor sharp steel wool dipped in acid.

    But I drank 16 oz of water and that sure seemed to help. Usually I drink a few glasses of water but today I didn't and I bet that's what did it.

    I also took some asa but there's no way that was absorbed quite so quickly. The worst of the flushing stopped in 5 minutes. It's still present, but tolerable.

  • Venkat

    10/1/2010 10:21:57 PM |

    I had been asked to have 500mg Niacin with 350mg asprin first once a day for 2 weeks then twice a day. I never felt much other than a stuffy nose which I didn't know was related but then one night I woke up feeling hot and uncomfortable. Drank water and had an asprin and slept. I stopped taking it after that. My doctor recommended I continue so I started today by having the slow release Niacin in the morning around 10am after breakfast. At 2:30pm while I was driving suddenly I felt hot in the face, hands, body and legs. I realized I was having the flush but didn't know how to control it hence I looked up online and I am glad I stumbled on to this blog. Can't believe that it is just a vitamin causing all this. Side effects seem to be worse than most drugs.

  • Anonymous

    10/22/2010 12:18:26 PM |

    Thanks folks...I have been taking Niaspam for a while now...6 months...working up to 1500 mg a day (taken at night with aspirin). What's funny is in general I tolerate it okay, with only minor flushing, but today I had an ATTACK like many of you describe that was so debilitating I felt like jumping out the window to get our of my own skin. Even getting the water into my system wasn't so easy because I was so uncomfortable. Between the water and aspirin, I'm back to the managable "light sunburn" itch level. I think 1500 mg may just be too large a dose for me and I may need to cut back to 1000 mg. Also, I do occassionally drink, and since I know the reaction between alcohol and niacin is bad, I don't take it on nights where I've had a couple. Anyway, it's some relief to know that the reaction I had today isn't that uncommon, miserable as it is. I appreciate the tips on dealing with this strange medication and will continue to follow posts here...

  • Anonymous

    10/28/2010 4:51:40 AM |

    Great article Doc, thanks. I just flushed now, felt like a bad sunburn, and your water trick helped!

    I have been on Niaspan for a while, usually avoiding the flush with some tips from my heart Dr. He recommended two things that help me: take at bedtime, so if the flushing happens I am probably asleep, and also take my daily aspiring about 30 minutes before the Niaspan, which he says helps avoid the flush.

    Problem is, I usually end up taking the aspirin at the same time as the Niaspan for convenience, and that might not give thye aspirin enough time to help. Tonight, I took the pills at bedtime as usual, but ended up staying up later.

    One time when first on Niaspan, my heart raced like crazy with the flush, like another writer had. Anyway, thanks for great info.

  • Lemia

    12/20/2010 10:12:47 PM |

    Dr. Davis,
    Po"tay"to, Po"tah"to, with regards to allergy or sensitivity.  Particulary with lay people, if it causes an anaphalactic reaction (or even Hives, for that matter), might as well call it an allergy.  People also naturally need iodine in their bodies, and while "technically" you would say I have an iodine "sensitivity", that does not (and did not) stop me (nor many of my patients in the Cath Lab) from having an allergic reaction to IV iodine (and forget about topical betadine!)  

    To argue with someone about whether it is called an allergy or not, may give a non-medical person the idea that a sensitivity to something naturally occurring is therefore nothing to worry about.  In my case, and many others, it would mean death.  I think the nomenclature should be changed personally - if something can end up causing an anaphalactic reaction it SHOULD be called an allergy.

  • Lemia

    12/20/2010 10:14:34 PM |

    Correction: I meant to say "Anaphalactic reaction" and not "Allergic reaction"

  • Lemia

    12/20/2010 10:25:59 PM |

    As a side note:  I recently had what would be seen as a typical "allergic" reaction after taking just 250 Niacin - (this was Slo-Niacin) which I have been taking for years - as a matter of fact, I have gone down from 500mg.  Never had a problem with it before today.  Throat, tongue and lip swelling, wheezing, hives and a raised rash over full head and torso, front and back.

    My curiousity is over whether high levels of HDL itself may be a factor in such a severe reaction.  I already have an extremely high HDL and wondering if increasing an already high HDL was the culprit.  I would like to hear your thoughts on that and if you know of any such studies.  My own physician would like me on a statin, which besides giving me many side effects (all of them), I am doubtful as to their need with a normal ratio.  Despite having a high total cholesterol (ranging any given time from 275 to 325) , my ratio is absolutely fine.  Again, I am interested in hearing your thoughts on the subject.
    Thanks greatly.

  • Anonymous

    2/3/2011 3:49:55 AM |

    I am so relieved to read about others' experiences. I have been taking Niaspan 500mg for about 6 months with fairly mild flushing. Last night I had a severe reaction. I turned bright red, rapid heart rate, shortness of breath. I was burning up from the top of my head to the top of my thighs ( my legs were fine ). I am a RN and worked ER for 20 years and never knew that these symptoms could occur after many months of the same dosage. It was a relief to hear that it was not just me! I will continue to take the Niaspan but am taking the night off tonight!

  • Elizabeth Dugan

    2/27/2011 3:44:45 AM |

    I took Niacin (500mg) for a couple of days and am going insane with the itching.  I haven't taken it for 2 days now but I am still itching.  Does anyone know how long the Niacin stays in one's system?  Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    3/15/2011 4:25:50 AM |

    im twelve and my dad made me eat a little..now i feel like im right in front of a 450 degree oven and i also feel like theres spikes protruding out of my body and my heart is beating like 5 time per secend

  • Anonymous

    3/30/2011 8:06:04 PM |

    The first time I took straight Niacin, not in a B-Complex, I got the flush severely. It actually started INSIDE my chest, it suddenly felt like there was cold water suddenly inside of my lungs, and I burst into a coughing fit. From there it spread. If it had stayed on my skin, it would have been fine. But it was inside my ears, and my whole sinuses puffed up so much I could barely breathe. I got VERY dizzy. I was on my way to the gym, and walked up 3 flights of stairs. By the time I got to the top of the stairs, my blood pressure had dropped so much I didn't make sense when talking, and then I promptly passed out. An ambulance was called, and after I came to and threw up, my BP was at some ridiculously low rate, like 55/40 or somewhere around there. VERY bad reaction, will not be taking again.

    And for those of you dismissing extreme reactors as "hypochondriacs", the flush is subjective, and how is passing out hypochondria?

  • Anonymous

    4/8/2011 12:26:17 AM |

    I have been taking niacin for years...I have found it to be the cure to brain farts...you know when you brain goes on vacation for like 3 seconds. I can't have that, I play bullet chess for several hours on end. That is where the whole game is played in a minute or less. Three seconds is an eternity. Anyway, I just had a massive flush; it happens once a year or so.  What usually triggers it for me is eating something with white bread.  They add niacin to it.  It is just enough to push me over the edge and instant beet.  You have to wait a few hours before having any white bread after taking niacin. Burger buns and pizza crust are the worst. It was Pizza this time. Intense exercise can also trigger it. But burger buns that is the biggie. I don't drink, so I have no familiarity with that interaction.
    One thing I did not see here is that afterword for a few days I feel really run down.  I either get the flush or not and when I do it is head to toe fire and itch, and I need several aspirin (I am 290 lb with a good deal of muscle)and lots of water and like three or more hours before it goes down.  I don't get a racing heart rate though. I don't want to cast any aspersions, but that sounds like panic ;). Oh, and scratching makes it worse for me, when it starts. I avoid that. I also sit down and do some mental relaxation exercises. I get dizzy if I stand up so I don't ;) I also think the shivering is just from having so much blood at the surface...it just pulls the heat from the core. I only shiver if I sit in front of a fan...still...I prefer the fan and shivers to fiery skin. But when I have not had access to a fan or cold water, I haven't had a shiver. I am not suggesting people take a lot of aspirin that is just me.
    Hmm, I like the dehydration explanation. When I exercise I do so intensely and for at least an hour...I suppose dehydration could be the reason exercise can trigger it in me.  I'll have to try extra water an hour before exercise. I may have been a little dehydrated this morning too as I awoke with both arms asleep and I was not sleeping on them. When that happens or if I have cramps when sleeping or on getting up, I have made the connection that I am generally dehydrated.

  • Anonymous

    4/9/2011 4:52:51 AM |

    I have been taking Niaspan for about 4 months. At first I had anxiety and flushing.  Now I just have the flushing and not daily. My doctor recommended that I take it with applesauce or apricots.  Pharmacist told my to take it with a low dose aspirin. Spicey food also seems to cause a reaction. I don't always get a flush and it only lasts about 20 minutes. My doctor also suggested I not use the aspirin because I won't get the full benefits. I am being monitored with blood tests and cholesterol is better. I also take Crestor.  I am a 51 year old post menopausal female with a family history of heart problems which I would like to avoid

  • Robin Ireland

    3/14/2012 3:34:40 PM |

    I stumbled upon a cure for the flush a few years ago. I was searching online and wound up at a drug reps site. Apparently one of their companies was doing a study on the Polyphenol Quercetin, and its natural ability to stop flushing. There were talks of combining Niacin with Quercetin to prevent it. So, being that it is a Polyphenol, and good for you, I thought I''d try it. It worked the very first time, and has worked for years since. I''ve been on up to 2G of Niaspan a day, and I take 2.5 G of Quercetin about 20 minutes beforehand and I almost never flush at all. If I do I just take a couple 500mg capsules of Quercetin and it goes away within 20 minutes. So, while I get a great dose of healthy Polyphenols I fight the flush too. I wish more people knew about this. Smile Just a word of wisdom though. Get the Quercetin alone. Some brands package it with Bromelain, which I found to upset my stomach over time.

  • Dr. William Davis

    3/16/2012 12:32:57 AM |

    Excellent find, Robin!

    You sure you need that much niacin, however?

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