An exercise in optimism

Followers of the Track Your Plaque program already know that maintaining an optimistic viewpoint is important in gaining control over coronary plaque.

In fact, I believe that, in many cases, a sense of optimism may make or break your CT heart scan score-reducing efforts. Pessimists rarely drop their score, while optimists do so all the time.

This week posed a challenge to my optimism. I spent the last week on jury duty hearing the details of a murder case. For four days, I listened to blow-by-blow testimony about the totally pointless, unprovoked death of a young man by a drug-dealing thug. Much of the witness testimony was from people who shared the hopeless, violent world of the defendant.

I was, however, completely impressed by the dedication of the prosecuting attorney, a 50-some year old man who was clearly deeply dedicated to his mission and didn't once provide any indication that he was grandstanding or looking for some personal glory. He was doing his job and trying to obtain justice for the fallen victim. I was equally impressed by the judge, who seemed unfazed by the events but carefully explained why the system worked the way it did. After the trial, he provided some further insights to us jury members and I saw him as a human being who, like the prosecutor, was trying to make a small contribution to making the world better.

Though many of the witnesses who testified against the defendant shared his world, I was impressed with their courage in coming forward. They face the threat of reprisals, I'm sure, for coming forward to the law and testifying against a known career criminal. Several of them said that they were not after any reward, but simply wished to do the right thing and provide testimony that proved damning against the defendant.

I acted as the jury foreman and I was proud of how the jury members listened carefully, asked intelligent and probing questions, and then helped us render a confident and expeditious sentence: guilty.

If anything, despite the tragic circumstances, I was much heartened at how all the participants in this process played their part and justice (at least in the legal sense) was served.

Let optimism prevail, even in dire circumstances.

No need to re-invent the wheel

I seem to be repeating myself lately, but I think this does bear repeating:

There's no need to re-invent the wheel when it comes to gaining control over your heart scan score.

The Track Your Plaque program is the most powerful approach known to help you gain control over your coronary atherosclerotic plaque and CT heart scan score, bar none. While 100% of people do not drop their score, more and more people every week are doing so. (One of the admitted weaknesses of the Track Your Plaque website is our failure to list more success stories; we're working on it.)

The basic program is quite simple:

--The Rule of 60 for lipids (LDL 60 mg/dl; HDL 60 mg/dl or greater; triglycerides 60 mg/dl or less)

--Identify hidden causes of plaque, esp. small LDL, Lp(a), and IDL, followed by specific corrective action

--Fish oil--minimum 1200 mg per day of EPA + DHA

--Normal vitamin D3 blood levels (We aim for 25-OH-vitamin D3 of 50-60 ng/ml)

--Normal blood sugar (<100 mg/dl)

--Normal blood pressure (<130/80)

--An optimistic attitude



Much of the other stuff--vitamin K, matrix metalloproteinase reducing strategies, flavonoid strategies, exercise-induced hypertension, etc.--are, for the majority, fluff. Their real role is in people who may have failed in stopping the rise of their heart scan score just doing the basics of the program.

If you neglect the basics, hoping to find some magic potion, I'm afraid the overwhelming likelihood is that you will fail. I've seen it happen time and again. Someone will come to my office with an extraordinary list of supplements--hawthorne, dozens of anti-oxidants, EDTA, concentrated flavonoid preparations, and on and on. Not only is it shockingly expensive to do this, it's also unnecessary and foolhardy. This kind of unfocused, hocus-pocus in the hopes of getting it right fail time after time.

The Track Your Plaque program, while not foolproof, is the best I know of. Stick to the basics and wander off when the basics fail. But there's extraordinary power in just achieving the basics.

Are we a front for drug companies?

I was shocked recently when someone accused me and the Track Your Plaque website of being nothing more than a front for the drug industry, that we are promoting concepts with the hidden pharmacuetical agenda behind us.

Don't make me laugh. How in the world that kind of impression could be gotten from either the Heart Scan Blog or the Track Your Plaque website is beyond me.

But I occasionally do need to state explicity: We do not promote drugs, neither this Blog nor the Track Your Plaque website has ever sought nor been backed by pharmaceutical money. The only money that supports this website is our own and that from paying Track Your Plaque members.

In fact, I am quite proud of the unbiased content and commentary on both venues. I challenge anyone to point out how and where there is any suggested relationship to a hidden source of commercial backing. I assure you, there is none.

If I say a drug is worth you and your doctor considering, then I say so with a true belief in it, not because somebody or some company paid me to say so. If I say a drug stinks, I believe that too. If we use a specific supplement in the program, it's because we believe it truly adds value to a plaque-reversal program. We receive no money from drug, supplement, or other commercial interests to promote their products. Period.

What is "normal"?

When it comes to laboratory values and medical testing, a common dilemma is knowing what is "normal." Let me explain.

First of all, when you receive a laboratory result for a test, a "reference range" or "normal range" is usually provided. Where did that range come from?

It varies from test to test. For instance, a low potassium is easy, because low potassium levels can lead to life threatening consequences, e.g., dangerous heart rhythms. High potassium likewise, because dangerous phenomena develop when potassium generally exceeds 5.5 mg/dl or so.

But what about something like HDL or LDL. Here's where confusion reigns. Often, "normal" is obtained by taking the average and saying that any value plus or minus two standard deviations (remember that painful class?) represents normal or reference range.

If that were true, what if we applied that principle to body weight. If we weighed several thousand adult women, the average would be in the neighborhood of 172 lbs (no kidding). Does that mean that 172 lbs plus or minus two standard deviations is normal? No, of course not.

There is therefore a distinction between "normal" and "desirable". For HDL cholesterol, your laboratory report might say that an HDL cholesterol of 40-60 mg/dl is normal. But is it desirable? I don't think so. The most frequent HDL level for a male with a heart attack is 42 mg/dl--hardly desirable.

Let's take triglycerides. The average triglyceride level in the U.S. is somewhere around 140 mg/dl. For those of us who do a lot of lipoprotein testing, we can tell you that triglycerides at this level, though generally regarded as being within the normal range, are associated with flagrant and obvious excesses of several abnormal lipoprotein particles that contribute to coronary plaque growth (VLDL and often IDL; small LDL; drop in HDL and shift towards small HDL).

So, always take the so-called "normal" or "reference" values on a lab report as crude guidelines that often have little or nothing to do with health or desirability. Unfortunately, many physicians are not aware of this and will declare any value within the normal or reference range as okay. An HDL of 40 mg is not okay. A triglyceride level of 140 mg is also not okay.

What is okay? What is desirable? That depends on the parameter being examined. From a basic lipid standpoint, of course, we regard desirable as 60-60-60. Desirability from a lipoprotein standpoint we will cover in a more thorough Track Your Plaque Special Report in future.

The wisdom of the masses

My sister sent me these quotes:



"We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out."

Decca Recording Co. rejecting the Beatles, 1962


"Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau."

Irving Fisher, Professor of Economics, Yale University, 1929


"Airplanes are interesting toys but of no military value."

Marechal Ferdinand Foch, Professor of Strategy, Ecole Superieure de Guerre, France


"Everything that can be invented has been invented."

Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, US Office of Patents, 1899



No doubt, conventional wisdom can often be laughably (tragically?) wrong. The problem is that, as absurd as all the above sentiments seem to us now and in retrospect, they represented the view of many people years ago. These views were held by many, including many people in positions of power and decision-making responsibility.

A more relevant but nonetheless laughable and widely held belief in 2007: coronary heart disease should be treated with hospital procedures.

Why is a disease that requires 30 years to develop treated only at the final moments with a procedure? Do you only change your car's oil when the engine is on its last legs? Or, do periodic, relatively effortless oil changes during the life of the car make better sense?

I witness just how brainwashed the public has become with this crazed notion when I meet someone socially at, say a fundraiser or cocktail party. When they ask what I do, I tell them I'm a cardiologist. The invariable response: "Oh, what hospital do you work out of?"

I tell them I don't, that I take care of the majority of heart disease right from the office. 99% of the time I get a puzzled look. If we had comic bubbles above our heads revealing our internal thoughts, it would read "Yeah, right. What a kook."

The notion that coronary heart disease is something that is manageable with simple tools for the majority of us in the early stages is entirely foreign to almost everybody. The hospitals and the medical industry have so succeeded in dazzling the public with images of staff in scrubs, rushing from emergency to emergency, lights flashing, scalpels flying. . . how can you possibly accomplish this at home or anywhere outside of the high-tech world of the hospital?

Well, I'm a cardiologist and I do it every day. We all need a figurative dose of electroshock therapy to shake ourselves of this crazy notion.

How important is l-arginine?

Perhaps more than any other supplement, l-arginine causes frustration and confusion. It’s difficult to find, sometimes quite expensive, and some preparations cause loose stools.

Just how necessary is it?

L-arginine, you’ll recall, is a source of nitric oxide, or NO. Though it’s the same stuff as in car exhaust, NO provides a critical signaling role in your body’s cells that regulate a multitude of functions. Among the important roles of NO is to powerfully dilate, or relax, arteries. A constant flow of NO is required for health, particularly since each molecule persists only a few seconds.

L-arginine is the body’s source of nitric oxide. In addition, a peculiar but very effective blocker of l-arginine called asymmetric dimethylarginine, or ASDM, has recently been discovered to prevent the production of NO. Varied conditions like hypertension, diabetes, high cholesterol, excessive saturated fat or processed carbohydrate intake all lead to heightened levels of ASDM, often several-fold greater levels, and thereby effectively blocking NO production.

The “Arginine Paradox” is the name that some researchers in this field have given to the unusual property of l-arginine supplementation to “overpower” the blocking effects of ASDM. This is somewhat unusual in biologic systems in that an agent that blocks a receptor cannot usually be outmuscled by providing excess material for a reaction. Kind of like hoping that your car runs faster simply by topping up the gas tank.

Concrete observable benefits have been made for l-arginine in clinical trials, such as arterial relaxation that results in arterial enlargement (which can actually be seen in the cath lab); anti-inflammatory effects; reduction of blood pressure; enhancement of insulin responses, etc. All of these effects can be connected to beneficial properties that may facilitate atherosclerotic plaque regression and, indeed, there are limited data to document that this is true.

Drug companies may be greedy, but they’re not stupid. They’ve been vigorously pursuing this line of research for some years, a research path that led inadvertently to the erectile dysfunction agent, sildenafil (Viagra), and all its subsequent competitors. (Erectile dysfunction is another expression of endothelial dysfunction, since male erections are driven by the ability to dilate penile arteries.) The wonderful properties of NO enhancement continue to occupy research labs around the world.

Wow. So what’s the reluctance? In the early years of the Track Your Plaque program (meaning just a short 7-8 years ago), I was thoroughly convinced that l-arginine was a crucial, necessary part of a plaque regression program. Without it, you would rarely succeed. With it, the odds were tipped in your favor.

However, something curious has emerged recently. I’ve seen more and more people dropping their heart scan scores. Not just a little bit, but a huge amount. Witness our most recent record holder, Neal, who dropped his score 51% in 15 months. Just five years ago, this magnitude of reversal was unimaginable. Granted, Neal is our record holder, but others are obtaining 10, 18, 24, 30% drops in scores all the time. Many have done it without l-arginine.

Now, how about the people who have failed to stop a rising score? Would they do better with l-arginine as part of the mix? I believe so, but sometimes we never quite know except in retrospect. It has been a great dilemma for us trying to predict from the starting gate who will or who won’t drop their heart scan score.

My view from the trenches is that l-arginine packs its greatest atherosclerosis-fighting punch in the first year or two of use, when “endothelial dysfunction” is likely to be present (abnormal artery constriction). But as all other strategies take hold—fish oil, correction of lipid and lipoprotein abnormalities, weight loss (big effect), vitamin D (another very big effect), etc.—endothelial behavior improves over time. Perhaps l-arginine becomes a less necessary component over time.

There’s no doubt that uncertainty still surrounds the use and science surrounding l-arginine. However, if you’re interested in stacking the odds in your favor, particularly during the first year or two of your plaque-reducing efforts, I think that l-arginine is worth considering. It is cumbersome, it can be expensive, some preparations may even be foul. But in the big picture of life, with hospitals trying every possible ploy to get your body on a table for a procedure, doctors perverting their mission by signing employment contracts with hospitals and agreeing to usher you into the hospital as a paying patient whenever possible, and drug companies viewing you and me as a market for medications which may or may not be helpful, l-arginine is surely not that big a burden.

Track Your Plaque and non-commercialism

If you're a Track Your Plaque Member or viewer, you may know that we have resisted outside commercial involvement. We do not run advertising on the site, we do not allow drug companies to post ads, we do not covertly sponsor supplements. We do this to main the unbiased content of the site.

We've seen too many sites be tempted by the money offered by a drug company only to see content gradually drift towards providing nothing more than cleverly concealed drug advertising. I personally find this deceptive and disgusting. Ads are ads and everyone knows it. But when you subvert content, secretly driven by a commercial agenda, that I find abhorrent.

That said, however, I do wonder if we need the participation of some outside commercial interests to help our members. In other words, many (over half) of the questions and conversations we have with people is about what supplement to take, or what medication to take. While we cannot offer direct medical advice online (nor should we) because of legal and ethical restrictions, I wonder if could facilitate access to products.

Many people struggle, for instance, with trusted sources for l-arginine, vitamin D, fish oil. Other people struggle with finding a heart scan center because of the changing landscape of the CT scanning industry. Could we somehow provide a clear-cut segment of the website that clearly demarcates what is commercial and non-Track Your Plaque-originated, yet at least provides a starting place for more info?

Ideally, we would have personally tried and investigated everything there is out there applicable to the program. But that's simply impossible at this stage.

I feel strongly that we will never run conventional ads on the site. Nor will we ever permit any outside commercial interest to dictate what and how we say something. The internet world is full of places like that. Look at WebMD. I find the site embarassing in the degree of commercial bias there. We will NEVER sell out like that, regardless of the temptation. People with heart disease are all conducting a war with the commercial forces working to profit from them--hospitals, cardiologists, drug companies, medical device companies (yes, even they advertise to the public, e.g., implantable defibrillators--no kidding). Genuine, honest, unbiased information is sorely needed and not from some kook who either knows nothing about real people with real disease, or has a hidden agenda like selling you chelation.

I'd welcome any feedback either through this Blog or through the contact@cureality.com.

The nattokinase scam

A conversation about vitamin K2 commonly leads to confusion. Several people have asked about something called nattokinase.

The scientific data on the potential role of vitamin K2 deficiency in causing both osteoporosis and vascular calcification is fascinating. Along with vitamin D3, vitamin K2 may be an important factor in regulation of calcium metabolism. Supplementation may prove to be a major strategy for inhibition of vascular calcification.

Obtaining K2 in the diet is tricky, since it's present in just a handful of foods: egg yolks, liver, traditional cheeses, and natto. This is where the confusion starts.

Natto is a Japanese fermented soy product. I've had it and it's quite disgusting. Nonetheless, Japanese who eat natto experience less fracture. (A parallel study in heart disease has not been performed.) Natto is also a source of another substance called nattokinase.

Advocates (otherwise often known as supplement distributors) claim that nattokinase is a "fibrinolytic", or blood clot-dissolving, preparation that "improves blood flow, protects from blood clots, and prevents heart attacks and strokes."

Don't you believe it. This is patent nonsense. There are several problems with this rationale:

--Any oral fibrinolytic agent is promptly degraded in the highly acid environment of the stomach. That's why all medically used fibrinolytics are given intravenously. Drug companies have struggled for years to encapsulate, modify, or somehow protect protein (or polypeptide) products taken orally from degrading this way. They've never succeeded. That's why, for instance, growth hormone (a polypeptide) remains an injection, not an oral agent. An oral growth hormone, by the way, would sell like mad, so the drug companies would very much like to figure out how to bypass the degradative effects of stomach acid. One of the "researchers" behind the nattokinase claims boasts that he has single-handedly figured out how to protect the nattokinase molecule in the gastrointestinal tract. However, he won't tell anybody how he does it. Right.

--Fibrinolytic agents are extremely dangerous. In years past, we used to treat heart attacks with intravenous fibrinolytic agents like tissue plasminogen activator, urokinase, streptokinase, and others. They have fallen by the wayside, for the most part, because of limited effectiveness and the unavoidable dangers of their use. Fibrinolytics are "dumb": they dissolve blood clots in both good places and bad. While they might dissolve the blood clot causing your heart attack, they also degrade the tiny clot in your cerebral (brain) circulation that was protective. That's why fatal brain hemorrhages, bleeding stomach ulcers, and blood oozing from strange places can also occur with fibrinolytic administration. Believe me, I've seen it happen, and I've watched people die from them.

The idea that a small dose taken orally is healthy is ridiculous. Even if nattokinase worked, why the heck would you take an agent that has known dangerous and very real consequences?

Don't let this idiocy reflect poorly on the K2 conversation, which, I believe, holds real merit and is backed by legitimate science. This is symptomatic of a larger difficulty with the supplement industry: Insane and unfounded claims about one supplement erodes credibility for the entire industry. It gives regulation-crazed people like the FDA ammunition to go after supplements, something none of us need. You and I have to sift through the nonsense to uncover the real gems in this rockpile, real gems like vitamin D3, omega-3 fatty acids from fish oil, and, perhaps, vitamin K2. But not nattokinase.

Blood pressure with exercise

Here's a frequently neglected cause for an increasing CT heart scan score: High blood pressure with exercise. Let me explain.

Paul's blood pressure at rest, sitting in the office or on arising in the morning, or at other relatively peaceful moments: 110/75 to 130/80--all in the conventional normal range.

We put Paul on the treadmill for a stress test. At 10 mets of effort (on the protocol used, this means 3.4 mph treadmill speed at 14 degree incline), Paul's blood pressure skyrockets to 220/105. That's really high.

Now, blood pressure is expected to increase with exercise. If it doesn't rise, that's abnormal and may, in fact, be a sign of danger. Normally, blood pressure should rise gradually in a stepwise fashion with increasing levels of exercise. But any blood pressure exceeding 170/90 is clearly too high with exercise. (Not to be confused with high blood pressures not involving exercise.) A handful of studies have suggested that a "breakpoint" of 170/90 also predicts heightened risk of heart attack over a long period.)

I see this phenomenon frequently--normal blood pressure at rest, high with exercise. This also suggests that when Paul is stressed, upset, in traffic congestion, under pressure at work, etc., his blood pressure is high during those periods, as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see other phenomena of underappreciated high blood pressure, like abnormally thick heart muscle (left ventricular hypertrophy), an enlarged thoracic aorta (visible on your heart scan), left atrium, perhaps even an abnormal EKG or abnormal kidney function (evidenced by an elevated creatinine on a standard blood panel).

Unfortunately, the treatments that reduce blood pressure are "stupid," i.e., they have no appreciation for what you are doing and they reduce blood pressure all the time, whether or not you're stressed, exercising, or sleeping.

Blood pressure reduction should begin with weight loss, exercise, reduction of saturated fats and processed carbohydrates (esp. wheat), magnesium replacement, vitamin D replacement. Think about CoQ10. After this, blood pressure medication might be necessary.

The message: Watch out for the blood pressures when you have a stress test. Or, if you have a friend who is adept at getting blood pressures, get a blood pressure immediately upon ceasing exercise. It should be no higher than 170/90.

Vitamin D2 vs. vitamin D3

An interesting question came up on the Track Your Plaque Member Forum about vitamin D2 vs. vitamin D3. This often comes up among our patients, as well.

Vitamin D is measured in the blood as 25-OH-vitamin D and is distinct from 1,25-diOH-vitamin D, a kidney measure, a test you do not need unless you have kidney failure.

The human form of vitamin D is cholecalciferol and is usually obtained via activation of a precursor molecule in the skin on activation by the sun. You can also take cholecalciferol and it increases blood levels of 25-hydroxy vitamin D reliably.

However, there is a cheap, plant-sourced, alternative to vitamin D3, called vitamin D2, or ergocalciferol. D2 has far less effect in the body. Taking D2 or ergocalciferol orally is an extremely inefficient way to get D. Unfortunately, it's the form often used in milk and many supplements, even the prescription form of D. About half the multivitamins and calcium supplements I've looked at contain ergocalciferol rather than cholecalciferol.

Taking vitamin D2 yields very little conversion to the effective D3. This particular issues is maddening, as the USDA requires dairy farmers to add 100 units of vitamin D to milk, and D2 is often used. In other words, the D in many dairy products barely works at all. There are many children who rely on D from dairy products who are at risk for rickets and are not getting the D they need from dairy products because of this cost-saving switch. Do not rely on milk for vitamin D for your children.

D2 or ergocalciferol is often included in the blood measures of vitamin D along with vitamin D3. The only reason it's checked with blood work is to ensure "compliance,", i.e., see whether or not you're taking a prescribed ergocalciferol. Beyond this, it has no usefulness.

25-OH-vitamin D3, or cholecalciferol, is both the blood measure and the supplement you need. This is the one that packs all the punch. Keep in mind also that it is the oil-based gelcap you want, with more consistent and efficient absorption. Tablets usually barely work at all, even if it contains cholecalciferol. Most people who take calcium tablets with D, or multivitamin with D, not only are getting a powdered form of D, but also in trivial doses. It's the pure vitamin D3, cholecalciferol, in gelcap form you want if you desire all the spectacular benefits of vitamin D.
Lead to Gold: The alchemy of transforming nutritional-supplement-to-medication

Lead to Gold: The alchemy of transforming nutritional-supplement-to-medication

Here's a recipe to make hundreds of millions of dollars. Others have done it and you can do it, too!

1) Identify a nutritional supplement that works.

Find some agent deemed to fall within the broad allowances of the 1994 Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act . However, because this agent is already in the public domain and is essential non-patent-protectable, you may need to develop some patent protectable aspect of its production, application, or encapsulation. This patent-protected aspect may or may not provide genuine advantage, but that's not your concern. Your concern is protecting your investment and providing the appearance of exclusivity.


2) Identify a medical indication for your product.

Choose a disease or condition that is likely to yield unquestioned efficacy, e.g., omega-3 fatty acids to reduce high triglycerides in people with familial hypertriglyceridemia (triglycerides >500 mg/dl). While this will restrict your ability to make market claims, it will not restrain your ability to sell or allow use of your agent for "off-label" applications. In fact, there are methods to surreptitiously promote the use of your product for off-label use, such as hiring experts to discuss the science behind your product with doctors who can prescribe your product. Ideally, your product's primary indication will provide a substantial market on its own to justify your investment. However, the eventual off-label sales can be substantial, even outstripping the sales generated through your primary indication.


3) Obtain at least $230 million to pay for the clinical trials required to obtain FDA approval.

You will also have to raise the capital to build the business to manufacture, distribute, and sell your product.


4) After FDA approval is obtained, your business is up and running, and distribution begins, start bashing the non-FDA-approved nutritional products that stand to compete in your market.

You could point out that only your product has actually passed through the rigorous FDA process. You could make claims regarding purity, potency, "approved by your doctor," etc., whether or not there is any truth behind the claim.


5) Buy that second vacation home in Aspen and the corporate jet you've been dreaming about! After all the risks you've taken, you deserve it!


That's it, plain and simple. It is a tried-and-true formula that has been applied many times.

It is a formula like this that brought Lovaza-brand omega-3 fatty acids to market, Niaspan brand of niacin, ergocalciferol form of vitamin D, Folbee (prescription combination B vitamins), with a slightly different spin for Synthroid (since the Armour Thyroid it is meant to replace is not a nutritional supplement, but a low-cost, generic thyroid replacement).

Whatever you do, don't EVER run a head-to-head comparative trial of your agent versus the nutritional supplement competition. For instance, NEVER compare Lovaza to supplemental fish oil capsules, matched milligram-for-milligram for EPA and DHA content. NEVER compare Niaspan to over-the-counter Sloniacin. NEVER compare Armour Thyroid to Synthroid. You never know what you might find. (Psssssttt! They might be equivalent!)

The formula is not a foolproof road paved with riches, however. There have been market failures, as well. Folbee, for instance, is hardly a household name. So there's risk involved, no question about it. But, should it all work out, the payoff can be big, VERY big, as it has been for Niaspan and Lovaza.

So, start thinking about how you might follow this formula for:

1) Cholecalciferol (vitamin D3)--e.g., for osteopenia, low HDL, or high c-reactive protein
2) Vitamin K2--also for osteopenia
3) Magnesium--for suppression of ventricular arrhythmias (especially Torsade de Pointes)
4) Iodine--for goiter and iodine deficiency
5) Vitamin C--for uric acid reduction

Who said you can't turn lead into gold?

Comments (25) -

  • Dr. B G

    1/9/2009 3:01:00 PM |

    Dr.D...

    What curious insights...

    Don't forget the lobbyists who get the 'Gold' onto the Medicare and Medi-Cal/Medicaid formularies (approved drug lists) though cheap, OTC or generic alternatives exist.

    Guess who pays for these indirectly?

    BTW, this does not occur at the VA MC system level which has been awesomely managed and deliver I believe good healthcare and effective drug care.

    -G

  • Dr. B G

    1/9/2009 3:01:00 PM |

    Dr.D...

    What curious insights...

    Don't forget the lobbyists who get the 'Gold' onto the Medicare and Medi-Cal/Medicaid formularies (approved drug lists) though cheap, OTC or generic alternatives exist.

    Guess who pays for these indirectly?

    BTW, this does not occur at the VA MC system level which has been awesomely managed and deliver I believe good healthcare and effective drug care.

    -G

  • Jan Jones, M.A.in Education, B.S. in Education

    1/9/2009 4:09:00 PM |

    Dr. D,

    I was taking Armour Thyroid for several years(90mg)and levels were checked and remained 'normal'. Recently, having no rx insurance I found that the AT is considerably more expensive than synthroid, so my dr recommended I switch to the correct converted dosage to get the cheaper price.  I have been concerned that the synthroid is not as good, as effective, as the AT I was taking.  By your final comment on the post are you saying those meds are pretty equivalent in effectiveness, in your opinion? It would really help me to know if I have made a good decision to follow the price and not sacrifice effectiveness.

    Thanks,
    Jan

  • Anne

    1/9/2009 5:46:00 PM |

    I live in the UK where strontium in the form of patented Strontium Ranelate (Protelos) is prescribed for the treatment of osteoporosis. I am prescribed it. It works ! I've been having it 18 months and my bone density has increased and it doesn't have the side effects of the bisphosphonates. The 'supplemental' form strontium (strontium citrate for example) however is not available in health food shops in the UK. In the US the supplemental form of strontium is available in health food stores but Strontium Ranleate has not been approved by the FDA - strange !

    Still, I'm happy as the medication only costs me the flat rate prescription charge of £7 for three months supply....so there can sometimes be a benefit depending on where you live. It currently costs me just over £25 a month to buy omega-3 fish oil from my local health food shop so next time I see my cardiologist I'm going to ask him to prescribe me Omacor as it will save me tons of money if I can get it on prescription....don't know if he'll oblige though.

  • Jessica

    1/9/2009 10:23:00 PM |

    Gee, thanks for stealing my golden parachute, Doc.

    With my 401(k) having turned into a 104(k) this year, I planned on enacting my Vit D analogue project in 2009 with hopes of making it big.

    You've foiled my plan!

    (P.S. I was also going to ask Sally Fields to be the spokeswoman for my D analogue and in the commercial, she would say something like, "I thought taking Vitamin D and Calcium would help stop my bone loss, but turns out, it didn't." Then she should plug my FDA-approved drug. Oh wait, doesn't that commercial already exist?).

    Smile

  • Grandma S.

    1/10/2009 12:12:00 AM |

    Does anyone know a good Vit K2 to take, so many choices.  Thank you!

  • Lynn M.

    1/10/2009 6:25:00 AM |

    Jan Jones,
    Normally you can buy a generic Armour for much less than what Armour costs.  However, since this summer there has been a supply problem with the dessicated thyroid products, which has made some of the generic forms unavailable and may have driven up the Armour price.

    Cost aside, from someone who has been totally dependent on thyroid supplementation for 59 years because of a congenital disorder, Synthroid is not equivalent to a dessicated thyroid such as Armour.  Synthroid only has T4, whereas Armour has T4, T3, T2, T1, and calcitonin, which are all naturally produced by the human thyroid.  For an in-depth perspective of the superiority of Armour from a patient's point of view, see www.stopthethyroidmadness.com.
    Lynn

  • Jan Jones, M.A.in Education, B.S. in Education

    1/10/2009 3:25:00 PM |

    Lynn,

    Thanks for your perspective.  Since I switched about 3 months ago, I have thought I didn't feel quite the same on the synthroid but I was attributing some of that to the change.  Next week I will have my levels checked to see if it has remained in the "normal" range on the generic synthroid.  Even if it is ok, I am leaning towards asking the dr to go back to AT.  I am still wondering if Dr.D is categorizing it in the same group as the quasi-drug/vitamins he mentions, meaning it's not really any better. My dr seems to think they are equivalent.
    I have read the info on AT, which is why I started on it over 6 years ago and at the time I had rx coverage. Dr.D is correct in his assertion that one way or another it's all about $$.

    Jan

  • Sam

    1/10/2009 4:22:00 PM |

    Grandma S., I take Thorne Research MK-4 K2.

    It's a little pricey, but at dietary supplementation dosage of less than 1mg/day, a $60 bottle should last about 18 months. (1mg/day is one drop.)

    Search with google for vendors with the best price.

  • David

    1/10/2009 6:45:00 PM |

    Grandma S.,

    I can't speak for everyone, but I like Life Extension's K2 supplement. It's not terribly expensive, and has more K2 than a lot of the other brands. 100 mcg of MK-7, and 1,000 mcg of MK-4. It's not the only one that's good, of course, but I like it.

    Here's the link at LEF: http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item01224/Super-K-with-Advanced-K2-Complex.html

    Also look for LEF's K2 for a cheaper price (w/ free shipping) at healthmegamall.com.

    Hope this helps!

  • Dr. William Davis

    1/11/2009 2:12:00 PM |

    Jan-

    Sorry for the imprecision.

    I believe that Armour thyroid is superior to T4-only preparations. While there are some published data to support this, real life makes it patently clear as day. People feel better, lose weight more effectively, have better cholesterol values, including Lp(a).

  • Lynn M.

    1/12/2009 7:59:00 AM |

    Jan Jones,
    The way you feel is a much better measure of thyroid sufficiency than any blood test.  Blood tests don't measure what is happening at the cellular level. Factors such as adrenal insufficiency and thyroid antibodies can leave a person with good thyroid levels in the blood but not enough hormone in the cells.

    I'm curious as to what levels you will be having checked.  The best blood tests for determining thyroid sufficiency are the Free T3 and Free T4, which measure thyroid hormone levels.  The TSH is a useless test for anyone already on supplemental thyroid. It is only an indirect measure of thyroid sufficiency and actually measures the pituitary hormone produced as part of a feedback loop. If you're supplementing, you've disturbed the normal feedback loop. I don't understand why doctors settle for the myriad of problems associated with TSH tests when they can directly measure thyroid levels with a Free T3 and Free T4 test.  But nonetheless the TSH test is considered the gold standard.  

    Even when I have been on too low a dose of generic Armour, as measured by hypo symptoms and low-in-range FT3 and FT4 readings, my TSH level was only .011 (ref range 0.35-5.50).  After years of supplementing, I guess my brain has learned that producing thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH) is useless.  Just one example of why the TSH test shouldn't be relied on.

  • mike V

    1/13/2009 5:18:00 AM |

    Lynn M
    I positively endorse your comments based on experience of >30 years of T4->T4+T3->Armour Thyroid->generic (Armour)
    The latter is actually shipped free of charge under Humana Medicare part D.(RightSourceRX)
    (An excellent price! Smile)
    MikeV

    PS:In earlier posts/comments re: thyroid,there was a suggestion that vitamin D3 supplements could significantly impact TSH readings. I would like to hear if this has been observed by others.
    M

  • Anna

    1/13/2009 7:25:00 PM |

    Having taken Levoxyl T4 in combination with a small dose of compounded, timed-release natural thyroid hormone when I was seeing a fantastic out-of-network endo (unfortunately, he was also out-of-state and the distance made it hard to use his services last year).

    Now my new (HMO network) endo prescribed  Levoxyl (T4) only, and I can say that T4 only wasn't right for me, though my labs were great (TSH about 1.0 and FreeT4 just fine).  I just didn't feel quite right on T4 alone.  

    I was able to convince the endo last spring to add Cytomel (T3) with the T4, which is much better than T4 alone, but not nearly as good as the combination of T4 and T3 in the natural thyroid extract in a ratio that mimics human thyroid physiology (98%-2%, Armour is a porcine ratio of 80%-20%).  

    So I think I'm going to continue looking for a new local doc who has the expertise to use compounded natural thyroid extract in the way that worked best for me, even if it means paying more out-of-pocket.  

    Like processed industrial food that will fill you up but won't nourish your body, some cheaper things just aren't worth the savings.

  • Dr. B G

    1/14/2009 6:01:00 AM |

    Mike V,

    I've noticed my own TSH improve from 1.3-1.9 to 1.0 on vitamin D supplementation to 25(OH)D 70 ng/ml. I stopped vitamin D this summer and noticed the TSH trended back up to 1.3.

    I've seen this trend for patients as well -- though the more wheat-damaged/addicted -- the less the improvement seen with vitamin D repletion. Guess that is to be expected.

    Yes -- there is limited science but there is a significant observation between lower TSH and summer months. I wonder WHY?? Smile

    Thank you for your info and all your insightful comments here!

    -G

  • Dr. B G

    1/14/2009 6:01:00 AM |

    Mike V,

    I've noticed my own TSH improve from 1.3-1.9 to 1.0 on vitamin D supplementation to 25(OH)D 70 ng/ml. I stopped vitamin D this summer and noticed the TSH trended back up to 1.3.

    I've seen this trend for patients as well -- though the more wheat-damaged/addicted -- the less the improvement seen with vitamin D repletion. Guess that is to be expected.

    Yes -- there is limited science but there is a significant observation between lower TSH and summer months. I wonder WHY?? Smile

    Thank you for your info and all your insightful comments here!

    -G

  • Anna

    1/14/2009 3:42:00 PM |

    Dr B G mentioned the seasonal aspect of thyroid function.  I definitely think there's something to that.  

    When I was first treated for hypothroidism by Dr. Kenneth Blanchard, who is located near Boston MA, he mentioned that many, if not most of his patients need a very slight dose-up tweak in the fall-winter months.   But I live in mild San Diego, so he wasn't sure if I'd experience that effect.  I saw him in early July that first time.  In hindsight, summer has always been my least hypothyroid-feeling time of year.

    But sure enough,  that fall I was dragging my knuckles.  The addition of an extra 50 mcg tablet of Levoxyl for a days, followed by just one more 50 mcg tablet of Levoxyl *a week* helped a lot throughout the winter.  Periodic lab draws were used in addition to my symptoms (or lack of them).  By the time I saw him again in June (with labs drawn and reviewed in the interim) I was back to the original dose.  

    This seasonal cycle has been my experience for three years since beginning thyroid hormone supplementation, and feels quite pronounced to me every Fall, but the dose adjustment needed is very minor.  I seem to have settled on a fall-winter cycle of 2 x 50 mcg Levoxyl 5 days a week, 1 x 50 mcg 2 days a week; and a late spring-summer cycle of 2 x 50 mcg 4 days a week, 1 x 50 mcg 3 days a week.

    And I don't think this cycle is temperature or weather-induced, but rather by less daylight, as the San Diego area usually has some of its warmest temps in the Fall (the winds shift from the onshore breezes to dry, warm winds from the desert).  The second time I called the endo to say I had some symptoms return or increase, he mentioned that my file indicated  that I called the same week the previous year.  So it's not that I was tuned into the calendar, either, it had to be pointed out to me, though now I am aware of it, of course.

  • mike V

    1/15/2009 7:42:00 AM |

    Dr B G, and Anna:
    Thanks for the interesting feedback.
    Vitamin D seems to be regarded as a hormone, or at least a prohormone, and I have seen it suggested that it may increase thyroid sensitivity in the tissues. If so I would expect the control feedback loop to lower the thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH) which of course calls for less to be secreted.


    My interest relates to the following.
    I have a 'night time only' wake up phenomenon, that is a sort of "adrenoline rush" with heart racing.
    This was rare at first but increased a month or two after a Fall vitamin D3 increase about two years ago.

    Now it prefers the half hour after falling asleep, or prior to normal AM awakening.
    My heart "plumbing and electrical" are in excellent order, and sleep apnea has been eliminated.
       Anna, did you have specific symptoms from the extra T3 fraction of porcine thyroid, or is it perhaps just a matter of preference, or of not feeling your 'best'?
    I have been using it for some years, and although aware, have not questioned it till now.
      
    I guess it could be a factor in my sleeping, even with the shorter half-life. My age (72) could also be a factor.
    My next step will be FT3, FT4 and 25(OH) testing.
    Thank you again for the respones.
    Mike V

    I would be interested to know if Dr D or anyone else believes that the higher porcine T3/T4 ratio has caused specific symptoms?

  • Anna

    1/15/2009 6:22:00 PM |

    Mike V,

    Vit D3 is indeed a hormone precursor.  The vitamin in its name is sort of misleading.  

    I've never taken Armour, so I can't comment on it.  I've always either taken straight T4 (Levoxyl); Levoxyl with a small dose of compounded natural [porcine] thyroid extract in a timed-release preparation; or Levoxyl (T4) with Cytomel (T3).  The later is what I am currently taking, prescribed by the endo in my HMO network.

    The Levoxyl with the added compounded thyroid extract was prescribed by Dr. Kenneth Blanchard (author of What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Hypothyroidism).  He feels that the 80/20% ratio of T4/T3 in Armour is not the best ratio for humans; he says they do well initially, but over time, the T3 content is too high for humans.  He's an endocrinologist MD and has a PhD in biochemistry, and he's hypothyroid himself.  He prefers to Rx in a T4/T3 ratio of about 98/2% and uses 50 mcg tablets of Levoxyl because they have no dyes that can cause issues for some people, and the compounded thyroid dose (for the T3), using a formula to come up with the 98/2% amounts.  

    Dr. Blanchard is the one who came up with way I take the Levoxyl, 2 tablets some days and only 1 tablet some others, because the T4 has such a long half life in the body.  Averaging the dose like on a weekly basis seems to be fine, so I have continued to do that with my current local endo, but it does drive my current endo a bit batty, but he can find little to argue with it.  If my TSH is a bit too low I adjust how many days I take only 1 tablet up or down.

    I really needed that bit of extra T3 and noticed it in mental processing and daily productivity, though I don't think it was reflected in my labs at all.  So my HMO endo added a small dose of Cytomel, but it gives me about 6% T3 now, and my TSH was .06 last time instead of hovering arounf 1.0.  So I dropped 1 tablet of 50mcg Levoxyl one day a week. I'm about to get labs done again so we'll see.  

    If I had to chose my own ratio, I think I'd do best on just a bit more T3 than Dr. Blanchard allows, and just a bit less than I get in the daily 1 tablet of Cytomel, perhaps around 4-5%.  I also liked the timed release compounded version better than Cytomel, which wears off too soon due to its short half life in the body (and it's too small a capsule to divide, but I take the smallest dose).  

    I have been taking a lot more Vit D3 lately to a) get my 25 (OH)D level up and to fend off colds this winter.  It'll be interesting to see if that is also reflected on my thryoid labs.  I'll report if anything significant shows up.

    Incidentally, I also had some gluten and casein sensitivity and gene tests done by Enterolab (www dot entrolab dot com) recently, and I was positive for IgA antibodies (both gluten and casein), anti-transglutaminase IgA, and genes for gluten sensitivity (my son has similar results except he had one celiac gene and one gluten sensitivity gene - I know of  one person in my husband's extended family with celiac sprue).  I wanted to know this because gluten reactions often correlate to autoimmune hypothyroidism (I don't think I've ever had thyroid antibodies tested though).

  • mike V

    1/16/2009 2:50:00 PM |

    Anna:
    Thank you once again for your detailed response.
    I will check out Dr Blanchard for info on my query.

    MikeV

  • Dr. B G

    1/17/2009 2:04:00 AM |

    Mike V,

    Are you taking vitamin D or A in the evening?

    These stimulate people most frequently (as they are related to daytime-foods, right? and of course solar radiation exposures).

    Take these during AM or daytime hours only.

    Armour apparently has a short half-life -- consider with your MD and try taking only in the AM.

    Hope you feel better and resolve the nighttime waking!

  • Dr. B G

    1/17/2009 2:04:00 AM |

    Mike V,

    Are you taking vitamin D or A in the evening?

    These stimulate people most frequently (as they are related to daytime-foods, right? and of course solar radiation exposures).

    Take these during AM or daytime hours only.

    Armour apparently has a short half-life -- consider with your MD and try taking only in the AM.

    Hope you feel better and resolve the nighttime waking!

  • Anna

    1/17/2009 8:09:00 PM |

    Mike V,

    Another thought occurred to me.  How's your blood glucose? Is it steady from a fairly low carb diet?  Or could you be consuming too many carbs in the evening?

    Evening carbs can initiate insulin secretion at night and drive down BG.    While sleeping, the body  senses lowered BG (maybe not even too low) and prompts an adrenaline rush to quickly raise BG, because  the liver  is "dumping" some glucose into the bloodsteam.  That series of glucose regulatory events is enough to wake some with palpitations people at the times and in the manner you describe (especially early morning, about 3-6 am), and they often see morning BG ("dawn phenomenon" as the highest BG readings of the day.  

    Another thought is that if you are taking your Armour later in the day (I think many people take Armour in divided doses during the day), perhaps the last dose is too late and the relatively high T3 kicks in too strongly.  Or it could be just too much T3 for you.  In which case, a combo of T4 and Armour (to create a different ratio than 80%T4-20%T3) might be worth trying.  In my experience, though, the average endo or primary care doc doesn't want to fiddle like that, so good luck.  The ratios aren't hard to figure out (though I had to refresh my Jr High algebra memories Smile, so maybe you could ask your doc for some samples of 50 mcg Levoxyl and titrate it yourself to see how it goes.  Hopefully you have a open-minded doc.  

    BTW, I'm taking my Vit D earlier in the day now, too P (by 1 pm) because it might have been contributing to my "night owl" tendencies, too.  makes sense to not take it later than the hours of strong sun wavelengths, anyway.  

    Good luck, keep us posted.

  • mike V

    1/18/2009 8:15:00 PM |

    Dr B G & Anna:
    Thanks for your thoughts. Incidentally I think it is not insignificant that the topics of Vitamin D and and Hypothyroidism are some of the most 'commented' on Dr D's Blog. I am convinced that getting them both right is fundamental to overall western health and well being, and all is not yet fully understood.
      
    I have already pretty much eliminated the time of day, and dosing of thyroid and concluded that T should be taken in the morning, and I take nothing late at night. I have suspected for a while that T3 fraction could be a problem, but you read the Drs with T, you come across Dr John C Lowe who disagrees strongly with Ken Blanchard's position on T3. He himself has been taking solely T3 for decades without consequences!
    Many seem to agree that TSH is not a reliable indicator, and FT3 FT4 basal temperature,and 'how the heck you feel' should be relied on.
    Yet others suggest that we hypothyroids come in two types. Type 1 (low producers, and Type 2 (supposedly involving adrenal insufficiency). Maybe some of us can be both?

    Possibly vitamin D can stimulate both the tissue sensitivity to T, and/or the ability of various tissues to convert T4 to T3.
    *****************************

    The following caused my (young male, 'you MUST treat the TSH number) doctor to laugh uproariously.

    I told him that I had moderated my "wake up" problem with celery.
    However, with celery juice, you reach a point of 'diminishing returns'.
    When he asked why, I told him that celery juice is very seriously diuretic.

    http://www.herbs2000.com/herbs/herbs_celery.htm


    Excerpt:

    The essential oil found in the celery was studied in extensive clinical researches carried out in Germany and China during the 1970s and 1980s. In these studies, it was found that the oil possessed a calming effect on the functioning of the human central nervous system and could be used to alleviate nervous disorders. On further examination, some of the chemicals in the essential oil were also found to effect anti-spasmodic, sedative, and anticonvulsant actions on the human body. The effectiveness of the oil in treating high blood pressure problems have been confirmed in studies conducted on the essential oil of the celery in the Peoples Republic of China.  

    I am now trying the seed.

    MikeV

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    11/3/2010 9:58:48 PM |

    It is a formula like this that brought Lovaza-brand omega-3 fatty acids to market, Niaspan brand of niacin, ergocalciferol form of vitamin D, Folbee (prescription combination B vitamins), with a slightly different spin for Synthroid (since the Armour Thyroid it is meant to replace is not a nutritional supplement, but a low-cost, generic thyroid replacement).

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