The battle for natural hormones

The battle for preservation of availability of compounded natural hormones goes on.

It started with pharmaceutical manufacturer, Wyeth, who petitioned the FDA to disallow the mixing of pharmaceuticals, especially natural human hormones, by specially trained pharmacists at what are called "compounding pharmacies." These are pharmacies that have special equipment and where trained pharmacists can mix up specific preparations for dispensing. These are available by prescription.

For instance, I have been prescribing natural human testosterone and progesterone for nearly 10 years. I have found service to be excellent, with lots of learning materials provided to patients by the pharmacy. The pharmacists I've spoken to have been courteous and knowledgeable. Compounded hormones are also shockingly less expensive. While a testosterone patch from a pharmaceutical company costs around $4.00 per day, the same quantity of testosterone cream formulated by a compouding pharmacy costs around $0.50 per day--87.5% less.

Wyeth hides behind a smoke screen of concern over quality. But the price differences tells the entire story: they want to eliminate the inexpensive competition and hold us all hostage to the far more expensive, often inferior products that they produce. They'd sooner force a woman to use horse-derived Premarin than to allow her access to human estrogens and progesterone.

To me, this is an outrageous affront to our freedom of choice, both as consumers as well as a physician. If you feel as strongly as I do about opposing the unfair and bullying ways of Wyeth Pharmaceuticals and the FDA, the P2C2 association of compounding pharmacists makes writing a letter to your Senator easy by going to

http://iacprx.convio.net/site/PageServer?pagename=P2C2

Just enter your info and personalize the comments, and the e-mails will be generated for you.

Lipitor and memory

At first, I was skeptical. A book from a nutty author and physician named Duane Graveline kept on coming up in conversations with patients. His book, Lipitor: Thief of Memory , details his personal experience with dramatic changes in memory and thought while taking Lipitor.



Now this is a drug that I've seen used thousands of times. But I've now seen about a dozen people who have had distinct struggles with memory and clarity of thinking while taking Lipitor. Most took doses of 40 mg per day or more, though an occasional person takes as little as 10 mg. The association seems to be undeniable, since it improves after two weeks off the drug, recurs when resumed. Just today, I saw two people where this effect may be an issue.

Curiously, I've not seen it with any other statin agent. Unfortunately, uncovering any scientific data on the issue is a hopeless quest. Either it's very uncommon or, worse, the data has been suppressed.

Any way, I believe that Dr. Graveline was right: Lipitor, in a small number of people, does indeed seem to exert real detrimental effects on the mind.

If you take Lipitor, should you stop it in fear of long-term effects on your mental capacity? I think it's premature to toss the drug out based on this relatively uncommon relationship. This particular effect is likely to be idiosyncratic, i.e., peculiar to an occasional person but does not seem to apply to the majority, probably by some quirk of metabolism or penetrability of the barrier between the blood and nervous system tissue.

If, however, you feel that your thinking and memory have deteriorated on the drug, please speak to your doctor.

EKG's and heart disease


How helpful are EKG's for detecting hidden heart disease?

I pose this question because several patients asked this question just this week. It's also a frequent point of confusion and misperception.

Your EKG is nothing more than an expression of the surface electrical activity emitted by heart muscle activity. Multiple (12) leads are attached to the body simply to provide various "views" of this electical activity. EKG, or sometimes "ECG", is short for "electrocardiogram".

What modifies this surface electrical activity? Anything that modifies the electrical activity within the heart itself, or interferes with the detection of the activity. An old heart attack modifies the patterns of electrical conduction in the heart and that can change your EKG. An ongoing heart heart attack likewise. High blood pressure commonly creates changes in the EKG, as does lung disease. A bellyache can change your EKG, as can a stroke. (These non-heart-related phenomena probably are often due to changes in autonomic, or "automatic," nervous system activity.) The heart generates electrical activity in a predictable sequence that generates the heart beat, or "rhythm". EKG's are useful for monitoring heart rhythm, also.

Does having plaque in your coronary arteries have any effect on the EKG? None whatsoever, unless plaque rupture caused heart attack or is about to cause heart attack. So, you can have a horrendous CT heart scan score of, say, 3000, yet maintain a perfectly normal EKG, as long as the heart muscle is normal.

Then why bother with these iffy tests? They are indeed useful to diagnose the cause of active symptoms. For instance, go to the ER with chest pain and an EKG could show changes suggesting that the chest pain is a heart attack. EKG's are also useful for future comparison. Any change in EKG can suggest certain things, like new heart rhythm disturbances unrelated to coronary plaque.

Think of your EKG as just like buying a used car. Say I'm trying to sell you my 1999 Buick Century. It looks pretty good from the outside and I tell you that it has 70,000 miles and runs well. You ask to open the hood, look in the interior and take it out for a drive. I tell you no, you can't do that.

Would you buy the car? Of course you wouldn't. You were permitted only a very superficial examination of the car. You have no idea what's going on inside. Just because the paint job looks brand new doesn't mean the engine and transmission are good.

The same with your EKG: It's a superficial look at one aspect of this used car called your heart. If the EKG is normal, that's good, just like a good exterior on the Buick. But you cannot assume that the heart is otherwise normal.

View the EKG as a simple, superficial test that can only provide minimal reassurance, no matter how often you have it done.

A new Track Your Plaque record

Neal, a 40-year old school principal, and his young wife were terrified on learning of his CT heart scan score of 339, a concerningly high score for any age, particularly age 40.

To make matters worse, all of Neal's plaque was located in the critical left mainstem coronary artery, the shared stem of two of the three coronary arteries. A heart attack in this location is instantly fatal.

So, it was especially gratifying that Neal has set the Track Your Plaque record for largest magnitude of plaque reversal: 51% in his first year.

Studies that show a reduction in heart attack make the news. They talk about 1, 2, up to 6% regression, all achieved with high doses of statin drugs. Yet we are seeing huge, extraordinary quantities of heart disease reversal that haven't yet made headlines, amounts that far exceed those featured in the news. We should be encouraged by experiences like Neal's.

Watch for the upcoming Track Your Plaque newsletter for more details on Neal's story--how he came to the program, how he accomplished this huge effect, and why his experience was such a success. If you haven't yet subscribed, go to the www.cureality.com homepage and click on the upper right hand corner.

The Plavix Scam

Periodically, I'll see a flurry of TV ads for Plavix. It comes with a polished computer-animated cartoon that shows how platelets clump and form a blood clot, causing heart attack.

Imagine there's a pile of oil-soaked rags in a corner of your garage. I come by and tell you to get a good fire extinguisher to keep next to the rag pile in case they spontaneously ignite.

Does that make sense to you?

Wouldn't it be better to get rid of the oily rags and forget about the fire extinguisher?

Plavix is the fire extinguisher. The oil rags are your coronary plaque. The solution is to gain control over plaque behavior. Unfortunately, the TV ads (intentionally, I suspect) give the impression that blood clots just form out of the blue for no reason. Of course that's not true. It requires active, growing, inflamed atheroslcerotic plaque that ruptures, uncovering the "angry" and platelet-adhering material underneath the thin covering or endothelial lining.

Urging everybody to take Plavix is absurd. The TV ads urge many people who have no business taking the drug to take it. There are, without a doubt, groups of people who are better off taking Plavix and aspirin: people who are in the midst of heart attack, people who have unstable plaque, people with recent stents or bypass. Perhaps people at high risk for plaque rupture, e.g., extensive coronary plaque that has continued to grow.

These tactics are consistent with the experiences I've had with the sales representatives from the company (when I used to actually talk to sales reps; my office is now barred from them). The reps very aggressively would urge me to consider having everyone take Plavix. No kidding.


For us, i.e., for people who just have a heart scan score but interested in engaging in a powerful program of prevention and reversal, Plavix rarely provides any advantage. The answer is, just like our oily rag analogy, control the plaque, not put out the fire.

Lipoprotein(a) and small LDL

You won't find a lot of scientific validation for this, but it is my firm impression that small LDL, by some crazy means, has the capacity to "turn on" or "turn off" lipoprotein(a), Lp(a).

Recall that Lp(a) is a specific genetic trait, passed to us (if you have it) by mother or father. It falsely elevates LDL cholesterol and escalates heart disease risk more than just about any other known abnormality.

A frequent hint that Lp(a) might be present is a comment I hear often from patients: "My doctor said statin cholesterol drugs don't work for me. I tried them all and my cholesterol won't go down." Or, the result was substantially less than expected. That's because, when Lp(a) is lurking in your cholesterol value, it is unaffected by the statins.

It's been my in-the-trenches observation that, the more fully expressed the small LDL pattern becomes, the worse the Lp(a) behaves. In other words, if small LDL is suppressed effectively, Lp(a) doesn't seem to carry the same dangers as in someone who has plenty of small LDL. I don't know why this is. (I expect that the answer will come from someone like Dr. Marcovina at Stanford, who is at the forefront of Lp(a) structural research. Lp(a) is a complex molecule with several components. How and why it interacts with other particles remains a mystery.)

There are a little bit of data to confirm this. The Quebec Cardiovascular Study has presented some data to this effect, that the combination of small LDL particles and Lp(a) are a particularly lethal combination. We are trying to correlate our data from a CT heart score perspective to discern any statistical relationships.

This raises a very important therapeutic issue if you have Lp(a): the worst thing you can do if you have Lp(a) is become overweight. Excess abdominal fat is a huge trigger to create small LDL particles. Even though being overweight itself has no effect on the measured level of Lp(a), it activates small LDL which, in turn, throws gasoline on the Lp(a) fire.

If you have Lp(a), stay skinny.

Optimal medical therapy

I was re-reading some of the details behind the recently announced COURAGE Trial comparing angioplasty/stent in 1100 people compared to "optimal" medical therapy in another 1100. You'll recall that no difference was found.

In particular, over approximately 5 years, 20% of participants in each group died, experienced heart attacks, or strokes. Of those treated with "timal" medical therapy, 32% ended up getting a procedure like stents or bypass anyway due to deteriorating symptoms.

What is "optimal" medical therapy? I bring this up again because the study investigators in COURAGE, as well as in similar trials, say this with a straight face. Optimal medical therapy means aspirin and/or Plavix (the anti-platelet, aspirin-like blood thinner); "aggressive" statin drug therapy to reduce LDL cholesterol to 60-85 mg/dl; and "anti-ischemic" therapy (that reduces angina and the phenomena of poor coronary blood flow) using nitroglycerin preparations, beta blockers, and other drugs.

I do give credit to the investigators for having the courage to perform this trial in a world hell bent on doing procedures and still reporting the neutral outcome. But the notion of "optimal" medical therapy begs for comment.

Indeed, this is regarded as optimal by most practitioners. Some would even argue excessive, based on the low LDL target achieved. Would you be satisfied with a 20% likelihood of heart attack, stroke, or death or 5 years, a 1 in 5 roll of the dice? I would not. Recall that we aim for near-total elimination of risk.

What could have been further "optimized"? Plenty. For instance:

--What is the real LDL, not the fabricated, calculated LDL? The two can be commonly 100 mg/dl different.

--How about raising HDL to 60 mgd/?

--What about reducing the proportion of small LDL particles? After all, small LDL is the number one cause of heart disease in the U.S., not high LDL.

--What is Lp(a)? If you treat LDL with a statin drug, Lp(a) is unaffected and continues to trigger huge plaque growth. You will fail if this is not identified and corrected.

--What is vitamin D3? One of the most powerful facilitators of plaque reversal I know of.

--What are triglycerides? Triglycerides create hidden particles in the blood like intermediate-density lipoprotein, potent triggers for coronary plaque growth. Speaking of intermediate-density lipoprotein, that's another very important pattern to identify, the after-eating persistence of dietary fats.

--Why aren't they taking fish oil? With a 28% reduction in heart attack and 45% reduction in sudden death from heart attack, this alone would have halved the number of "events" in the "optimal" medical treatment group.

Of course, there's more. But the idea that aspirin, statins, and anti-ischemic therapy is somehow optimal is silly and sad at the same time. But that's the bias. The COURAGE Trial does represent a step forward, a step away from the "stent everyone and everything" mentality that motivates my colleagues, aided and abetted by their co-conspirators, the hospitals. But you and I know better. "Optimal" medical therapy, in truth, can mean a far better approach that can dramatically reduce, perhaps eliminate, risks for events like heart attack. The conventional "optimal" medical therapy will suffice only if you're content with a 20% likelihood of heart attack, death or stroke, or a 32% likelihood of an urgent procedure in your future.

Niacin, postprandial patterns

For a detailed report on the very important postprandial (after eating) patterns that contribute hugely to heart disease risk, read my recent article in Life Extension Magazine, available (no cost) at:

Uncovering a Hidden Source of Cardiovascular Disease Risk
at http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2007/mar2007_report_heart_01.htm


For a report on using niacin to reduce risk of heart disease, see another report in the same issue of Life Extension:

Ask the Doctor: Using Niacin to Improve Cardiovascular Health
at
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2007/mar2007_atd_01.htm.

Also, keep your eyes open for a lengthy report focused exclusively on the Track Your Plaque program in an upcoming issue of Life Extension. I'll provide links in this Blog when it comes out.

What's better than fish oil?

One of the recent questions on our Track Your Plaque Forum related to what to do about a triglyceride level of 101 mg/dl while on fish oil.

Recall that, contary to conventional thinking like that articulated in the ATP-III cholesterol treatment guidelines, we aim to reduce triglycerides to 60 mg/dl or less. This is important to suppress the formation of abnormal triglyceride-containing lipoprotein particles, especially small LDL, reduced HDL, lack of healthy large HDL, VLDL. ATP-III advises a level of 150 mg/dl or less. Unfortunately, triglyceride levels this high guarantee appearance of all these undesirable particles and an increasing heart scan score.

What's better than 4000 mg of fish oil for its 1200 mg of EPA and DHA (omega-3 fatty acids)? More fish oil. In other words, the 4000 mg fish oil providing 1200 mg EPA + DHA is our minimum. A simple increase to 6000 mg to provide 1800 mg EPA + DHA is usually all that is necessary to reduce triglycerides and put a halt to the cascade of abnormal lipoprotein particles that trigger plaque growth. Occasionally, a somewhat higher dose may be required. Doses are best divided into two, with meals (e.g., three capsules twice a day).

Another important issue: An over-reliance on wheat products can also increase triglycerides. This includes any flour product like breads (regardless of whether it's white, whole wheat, or whole grain--they all raise triglycerides), pretzels, bagels, breakfast cereals, and pasta. A dramatic reduction in wheat-containing products will reduce triglycerides substantially, help you reduce your abdominal fat, reduce blood pressure, raise HDL and reduce small LDL, clear your mind, provide more energy, avoid afternoon "fogginess" . . . Huge benefits.

Valve disease and vitamin D

There are two common forms of heart valve disease: aortic valve stenosis (stiffness) and insufficiency (leakiness), and mitral anular calcification.

Both valve issues are regarded as evidence of senescence, or aging--the older you are, the more likely you will have one or both. Both conditions involve progressive calcium deposition and, to some degree, cholesterol deposition. They might be regarded as phenomena of "wear and tear" just like hip arthritis.

There are no known therapies to stall or stop the development of mitral anular calcification. However, several attempts have been made over the years to identify treatments that can slow or stop the progression of aortic valve disease, which is becoming increasingly common and is addressed by surgical valve replacement when severe. The most recent trials have examined whether high-dose Lipitor (80 mg) has any effect (it did not) and high dose Crestor (40 mg), which slowed but did not stop the deterioration of stiff valves.

It's been my suspicion that vitamins D and K2 may play a crucial factor in valve health. After all, vitamin D is the master controller of calcium deposition. Preliminary data also suggest that people who are intentionally made vitamin K deficient with the drug, Coumadin, develop twice the calcium deposition on aortic valves that non-Coumadin takers develop.

I saw a patient Friday, Marianne. In addition to a moderate heart scan score of 379 at age 71, Marianne had a leaky (insufficient) aortic valve. By an echocardiogram 18 months ago, the valve was moderately leaky. I put Marianne on vitamin D, 4000 units, to raise her blood level to 50 ng/ml.

Last week, I asked Marianne to have another echocardiogram. This time, no leakiness whatsoever--none. I have never seen this happen before. Although Marianne is only one example and we don't want to extrapolate too far from the experience of one person, it's hard not to attribute this phenomenal response to vitamin D supplementation.

I wonder what would have happened if we had added vitamin K2, as well?

Anyway, just another potential wonderful effect of vitamin D restoration.
Warning: Your pharmacist may be hazardous to your health

Warning: Your pharmacist may be hazardous to your health

Pharmacists can be very helpful resources when it comes to questions about prescription drugs.

The operant word here is drugs.

What they are most definitely not expert on are nutritional supplements. In fact, a day doesn't pass by without having to dispell one falsehood or another conveyed to a patient about a nutritional supplement by a pharmacist.

Among the more common falsehoods told to patients by pharmacists:

"You have to take Niaspan. Sloniacin doesn't work."

Patent nonsense. A few years back, I was the largest prescriber of Niaspan in Wisconsin. Although I am embarassed to admit it, I also spoke for the company, educating fellow physicians on the value of niacin for correction of lipid disorders.

Then I shifted to Sloniacin due to cost--it costs 1/20th the cost of prescription Niaspan. I examined the pharmacokinetic data (pattern of release in the body), the published literature (e.g., the famous HATS Trial), and have used Sloniacin over 1000 times in patients. In my experience, there is no difference: no difference in efficacy, no difference in safety, no difference in side-effects. There is a BIG difference in price.

Unfortunately, most pharmacists get their information on niacin from the Niaspan representative.


"You shouldn't be taking vitamin D supplements. I have prescription vitamin D here."

What the pharmacist means is that you should replace your vitamin D3, or cholecalciferol--the form recognized as vitamin D by the human body--with the plant form of vitamin D, vitamin D2 or ergocalciferol.

Since when is a plant form of a hormone (vitamin D is a potent hormone, not a vitamin; it was misnamed) better than the human form?

I've previously talked about this issue in a blog post called Vitamin D for the pharmaceutically challenged.

The notion that D2 is somehow superior to the real thing, D3, is absurd. I use D3 only in my practice and have checked blood levels thousands of times. As long as the D3 comes as a gelcap, drops, or powder in a capsule, it works great, yielding predictable and substantial increases in blood levels of 25-hydroxy vitamin D. If it comes as prescription D2 (or over-the-counter D2), I have seen many failures: no increase in blood levels of vitamin D or meager increases.

Prescription status is no guarantee of effectiveness.


"Why do you need iodine? You already get enough from food."

The NHANES data over the last 25 years argue otherwise: Iodine deficiency is growing, particularly as people are avoiding iodized salt and the iodine content of processed foods is diminishing. The explosion in goiters in my office also suggest this is no longer a settled issue.

On the positive side, it is exceptionally easy to remedy with an inexpensive iodine supplement. That is, until the pharmacist intervenes and injects his bit of nutritional mis-information.


I'm not bashing pharmacists. In fact, Track Your Plaque's own Dr. BG has a pharmacy background, and she is an absolute genius with nutritonal supplements. But she is a rare exception to the rule: Most pharmacists know virtually nothing about nutritional supplements. You might as well ask your hairdresser.

Comments (24) -

  • Jenny

    6/11/2009 10:55:25 PM |

    Dr. Davis,

    Excuse me if I missed it, but what dose would you suggest supplementing iodine at?

    I've been taking a kelp pill with 150 mc since reading your blog posts about it. I seem to feel perkier, but that might be placebo effect, or spring.

  • Anonymous

    6/12/2009 2:47:45 AM |

    Actually your hairdresser might know a lot more than your pharmacist.Hairdressers do have to study nutrition you know!.

  • Helena

    6/12/2009 2:50:41 AM |

    You are saying what I have been saying for years! I am so glad I found your blog! I take at least 5000 IU of Vitamin D3 every day.
    More often I meet Doctors and other people whitin the prescription drug industry that questions my motive on taking natural nutrition, and all I do is shake my head and wonder why they are allowed to call themselves doctors. I thought that the most important thing was "First do no harm"...

  • Anna

    6/12/2009 3:06:43 AM |

    I would add that the vitamin & supp store clerk's advice needs to be taken with a grain of salt, too, at least until you have learned which clerks to trust.  

    At the local stores where I buy my supplements, there are some clerks whose judgement I trust quite a bit when choosing a new supplement or brand, because they have given sound, credible advice in the past, and I know from discussions they have a sound understanding of human nutrition and physiology.  

    But there are a few clerks I know to avoid like the plague, because they have too often "dispensed" patently untrue, biased, and  uninformed nutrition and biochemistry advice.   One of them (the one with the huge divots in his cheeks from protein deficiencies) tried to sell me "whole food plant-sourced" Vitamin D, with the argument that whole food sources are always superior (I already knew to take the fish liver D3, not the D2 from rradiated yeast or plant sterols).

    I'm glad you keep reminding everyone about choosing the right form of Vitamin D - D3.

  • Anonymous

    6/12/2009 4:03:45 AM |

    "Most pharmacists know virtually nothing about nutritional supplements".... got that right.  I asked about vitamin k2 supplements and why there was a 120mcu restriction in canada.  The pharmacist said he knew only about Vitamin K as injections used for babies....

  • Peter

    6/12/2009 10:38:11 AM |

    I don't think you should bash hairdressers as ignorant about nutrition.  Mine has lost around 60 pounds eating low carb and looks great.  I'd take anything he says about nutrition seriously.

  • Kismet

    6/12/2009 11:22:06 AM |

    Personally, I've yet to meet a good pharmacist in Austria. Most of them are even worse than our mediocre doctors; it's really a shame...

    I think I know what you're up to with the sleeping poll! ;.)
    Is it?

    JAMA. 2008 Dec 24;300(24):2859-66.
    Short sleep duration and incident coronary artery calcification.
    King CR, Knutson KL, Rathouz PJ, Sidney S, Liu K, Lauderdale DS.

    I'd love to see the study results discussed.

  • Mark K. Sprengel

    6/12/2009 12:11:19 PM |

    Interesting, my fiance's father was recently give Niaspan by his doctor and at a pretty high dose. He had a severe reactions, jitters, heart sped up etc. and quit taking it. The Dr. said that couldn't have been caused by the Niaspan but the pharmacist said it was as he had the same reaction when he was on it.

  • Anonymous

    6/12/2009 3:15:08 PM |

    Great Post, Thanks.

    I am a bit curious though as to the difference between Niaspan and Sloniacin. From what I've been told, and correct me if I've been given false information, is that Naispan has a substantially quicker release time than Slonaicin, therefore being easier on the liver, especially at higher doses?

    Thanks,
    Kent

  • H

    6/12/2009 5:48:27 PM |

    I have a pretty specific question about the Vitamin D issue....

    I have a Vit D deficiency -- first noticed by the endocrinologist that I see for hypothyroidism. She prescribed a supplement over one year ago; and I get it tested every few months. So far, I still have a deficiency - I don't know the exact numbers, but I got the impression it hasn't moved much at all. I usually take a gelcap weekly for about six weeks after the blood test, and then drop back to taking it monthly (per her instructions).

    After reading the post you referred to above, I looked into it a bit more and confirmed that she has me on D2 (50k units, I think). So I asked her about this, told her about what I'd read on your website and others, and whether it would be better to switch to D3. She was emphatic that it would not...partly (or entirely?? I can't remember if she had other reasons too) because I already take SO MANY medications that finding a schedule that works for taking them where they all work effectively is already a huge challenge. (Some have to be taken alone, like Synthroid, etc. And I'm on warfarin, which just makes *everything* difficult.)

    She insists that she can get Vit D stabilized "eventually" with D2, and that sometimes it just takes awhile. She is an endocrinologist with -- as far as I can tell -- a good reputation locally; so she SHOULD know what she's talking about. But I just don't know; and the ongoing deficiency concerns me a little bit.

    What is your opinion? Should I be looking for another endocrinologist? Thanks in advance for any thoughts or guidance.

  • Dr. William Davis

    6/12/2009 7:32:26 PM |

    Hi, Jenny--

    After an exhaustive search, I have come to the conclusion that nobody knows the ideal dose of iodine for human health.

    However, 500 mcg per day has been working well for us.

  • Dr. William Davis

    6/12/2009 7:34:04 PM |

    H--

    Your doctor's attitude is, sadly, representative of the knuckleheaded bias of my colleagues: Prescription = good, non-prescription = bad.

    Yet there is no rational reason for this distinction when it comes to D2 vs. D3. D3 = human; D2 = non-human. Which are you?

  • Anonymous

    6/12/2009 7:49:57 PM |

    Kent,

    I believe they BOTH release over a 6-8 hour period of time. If Niaspan was released faster, my guess is that it would cause more flushing and that less people would be able to tolerate it.

    I myself take Endur-acin which is also released over a 6-8 hour period of time.

  • kris

    6/12/2009 8:50:41 PM |

    i usually order mine from IHERB. the reason being is that the feed backs from the users helps to make a collective decision. the feed backs are exclusive to the actual purchasers through email invitations. still better to study my self along with the feed backs. good price, fast shipping, best customer service and large collection.
    As to the iodine Dose, Dr davis, you are absolutely right about the iodine dose that no body knows. we have 5 people in our family. our doses are from lugol's 20mg a day to 650mcg from kelp to one person can only take 150mcg every second day. mostly it is the rapid heart beat and light pain behind the neck is the indication of over dose for me. when i first started taking iodine i have taken up to 50MG a day and it was lugol's. i felt great. but soon after few days i  had to reduce my doze. now i am taking kelp tablets with 650 mcg iodine in it. i am taking these with L-tyrosine 500mg along with vitamins B's. i feel that kelp contains bromine, therefore it helps to balance if it is over dose. i also do not take any vitamins or iodine etc. 2 days in a week, so that the body can not get lazy on this extra supply of vitamins. Iodine also helps to cleanup the body from mercury, bromine, fluoride etc. so it may develop little rash or other signs like too much sweating. i also felt that Norwegian kelp feels better than any other kelp for some reason.
    the other thing that i noticed that when starting iodine or thyroid hormones, one may notice loose gum and pain around the hard working side teeth. because iodine and thyroid hormones get rid of extra water from the body. bones become smaller and stronger. to get rid of the temporary discomfort to the teeth and gum, we have used turmeric powder as a mouth wash successfully. leave it in the mouth for a minute or so and it will help big time.

  • Jessica

    6/12/2009 11:25:02 PM |

    H-

    "So far, I still have a deficiency - I don't know the exact numbers, but I got the impression it hasn't moved much at all."

    Not at all surprising. D2 is only 1/3 as effective as D3. Taking 50,000 IU of D2 is equivalent to roughly 2,000 IU of D3.

    I started with a Vit D 25(OH) level of 26 ng/mL and it took nearly 9 months of 10,000 IU/daily of D3 to get an optimal level (70-90 ng/mL).

    If you have any of the NUMEROUS medical conditions that need Vitamin D, then you likely will require more D than the average person...if you're carrying extra weight you'll likely need more than the average person...if you're dark skinned, you'll likely need more than the average person...if you live north of Atlanta, GA, you'll likely require more D than the average person...

    With all of these factors, its not at all surprising that you haven't yet achieved a good Vit D level since you've only been taking D2.

    Taking D2 instead of D3 is like giving a thirty man in a desert a thimble of water to quench his thirst. He's getting water, right? But, it's not enough to do any good, so whats the point?

    Take D3 and take enough to get a good blood level.

  • Becki

    6/12/2009 11:51:17 PM |

    D3 is best in power or gelcap form?  Does that mean I'm wasting my money on the tablets I purchased?

  • Anonymous

    6/13/2009 12:59:06 AM |

    Hey Kent,

    My primary care physician sent me to a cardiologist at Ottawa heart institute.  I had already started using the "Now" brand Niacin after reading a study from Baylor's lipids online.  I asked about Niaspan as I assumed it was a pharmaceutical grade and more accurately controlled.
    The Cardiologist's comment was that the blood work indicated what I was taking was just fine but she had no issues providing a prescription for Niaspan.  My insurance at the time covered the cost.  I changed jobs, the new insurance company would not. I take 2grms at bedtime.  I sometimes get a flush and tingling, which I did with Niaspan too; but who the hell cares, my tg numbers speak to the value of this minor inconvenience
    Trevor
    Sups= Niacin/K2/D3/fish oil

  • gkwellness

    6/13/2009 8:07:48 AM |

    About 9 weeks back, my 25-Hydroxy Vitamin D levels were found to be dangerously low at 12.2 ng/ml! My situation led me to research, begin a self-directed treatment and create a blog www.gkwellness.wordpress.com to benefit others. I have taken a re-test of Vitamin D and expect the new results soon. Considering that my 6th week supplementation went up to 604,000 IU, it would be most interesting to know my new levels which I shall promptly post on my blog.

  • Helena

    6/13/2009 11:30:44 PM |

    Becky,

    "D3 is best in power or gelcap form? Does that mean I'm wasting my money on the tablets I purchased?"

    To answer you I would say that liquid is always the best. The body can absorb up to 98% when taken by liquid, but it can be as low as 20% when taking by pill. With powder you should always wait until it is compleatley dissolved (20 minutes) or you will loose some vital IU's.

    However I would not throw away your pills, but take them until you have no more. Until then I would look for a better alternative.

    I take my Vitamin D3 by liquid and I love it.

    Good luck!

  • Trinkwasser

    6/17/2009 1:26:50 PM |

    IME pharmacists have a competence range at least as great as doctors

    "If you needed a glucometer one would have been prescribed for you"

    "Sounds like you may be diabetic, I'll sell you a meter and you can take the test results to your doctor"

    two different pharmacists. I've found much the same with respect to knowledge both of drugs and other supplements. A good one can be an excellent source of useful information, if you can find one.

  • AustralianPharma

    12/15/2009 3:10:49 AM |

    I'd like to second a previous comment to put into perspective that a range of expertise exists across all members of a particular field, whether that be pharmacy or medicine. I've had plenty of disturbing queries from doctors to my pharmacy, one that comes to mind is from a doctor (over fifty years of age) that needed to know the name of any antibiotic that comes in a cream. You would think that over the course of a career, and access to printed and electronic resources within their practice, they could figure it out on their own. However, does that mean most GPs are woefully out of touch and lacking the continuing education necessary to practice or let along know where to find drug info without resorting to the phonebook for the nearest pharmacy? Of course not, branding an entire profession due to personal bad experiences is the same as saying a treatment is fantastic and bound to work because of hearsay evidence, or that it worked for your friend's friend.

    Most doctors I deal with are knowledgeable and I am glad to assist with queries, most pharmacists I find the same. If you are asking a 'shop clerk' for help, that is different from asking a pharmacist. It is like asking the receptionist at your  GP's clinic to check your rash and makes a diagnosis.

    AustralianPharma
    http://askapharmacist.com.au

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  • rhett daniels,m.sc.

    5/2/2011 10:23:31 AM |

    hello -

    there IS a difference between Slo-Niacin and Niapsan.  It has to do with the difference btw Ph-dependent release and non Ph-dependent release.  the Niaspan product has a bile containing element that achieves optimum absorption at targeted GI areas.

    also, there are two forms of pharmaceutical grade D2/D3:  brand names drisdol and rocaltral.

    any Non-Rx you get on the shelf is not regulated.  take at your own risk.

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