(Lack of ) Quality of nutritional supplements

In my last post, I blogged about how we must not confuse marketing with truth. They are often two different things.

A patient I saw today was absolutely convinced that his fish oil was the best available in the world: purer, uncontaminated by mercury or pesticides--"not like that other crap on the shelves." I asked him how he knew this. "They say so," he proudly declared.

Do you recognize this? He fell for the marketing. While there may be some truth in the manufacturer's claims, you can't believe it from the mouth of the manufacturer. True judgements about quality and purity have to come from an independent source like Consumer Reports, Consumer Lab, or the FDA.

But the FDA doesn't regulate the quality and purity of nutritional supplements. On the positive side, this has allowed supplement manufacturers to keep costs down, not having to navigate arcane and complex regulatory restrictions.

On the negative side, a fair number of supplement manufacturers get away with 1) producing supplements that fail to contain the stated amounts of ingredients, occasionally containing none of the essential ingredient(s), 2) contain contaminants like lead, and 3) make extravagant and often unfounded claims like "superior", "more effective", and "purer". (DHEA, for instance, is a particular landmine of poor quality. I recently suggested that a patient take DHEA; despite consistently taking 50 mg of a specific brand for several months, the blood level of DHEA-S didn't budge one bit--there was likely little or none in the capsule.)

The Fanatic Cook at http://fanaticcook.blogspot.com has posted some very insightful discussions on this issue and the proposed FDA regulations of supplements. They're worth perusing.

I really wish regulation weren't necessary and that the industry could have policed itself. But it clearly has failed and perhaps federal oversight is not such a bad thing, as long as the FDA regulations restrict themselves to oversight over quality and purity and not to efficacy. It's the efficacy regulation that could hogtie innovation in supplement development.

Marketing and truth are not the same

I often remind people: Don't confuse marketing with the truth.

Today, I spent a total of probably an hour and a half dissuading patients that some crazed piece of marketing trying to sell them something was not the same as truth.

I spent approximately 40 minutes alone with a woman who was absolutely convinced that:

--Nattokinase would cure her of all heart disease. It does not. Despite the promising health benefits of natto and vitamin K2 supplementation, nattokinase is a scam with no basis in science nor logic.

--Niacin destroys your liver and homeopathic remedies are superior. Quite simply, homeopathy = quackery. No rational thinking scientist endorses the utter nonsense practiced in this strange and outrageous set of practices that requires you to suspend all reason.

--Sufficient vitamin D is obtainable through a "potent" multivitamin. I know of no multivitamin preparation that even begins to provide the dose of vitamin D that is actually required by adults, nor is it absorbed since these D preparations are powder based.

--Fish oil will poison you with mercury. Accordingly, one brand of fish oil claims to be the only safe form. Those of you following these posts, or the reports of the USDA and FDA, as well as the reports of Consumer Reports and Consumer Lab (www.consumerlab.com) know that, unlike fish itself, there is no mercury in fish oil capsules.

--All coronary atherosclerotic heart disease is caused by heavy metal poisoning. Thus chelation with EDTA represents a cure for heart disease.


People are inundated with marketing that promise extravagant cures, remove need for any medication, make you smarter, sexier, thinner, and on and on.

If you see a TV ad for Ford that says they make the best cars in the U.S., do you immediately run out and put a For Sale sign on your GM car and buy a Ford? No, of course not. You recognize the ad for what it is: marketing. It may be true, but a TV commercial is not enough to convince you.

Then why would an ad promising extraordinary cures for cancer or heart disease convince you that this is true? It should not. Marketing ads should only serve to alert you to the possibility of value or benefit, but should never-- never--stand alone as proof. Take marketing for what it is: marketing of a product or service, not a scientific report, not a factual report, not news.

Marketing is advertising. Period.

More on erectile dysfunction

Several facts on erectile dysfunction and coronary plaque:


If you have erectile dysfunction, there's at least a 50% chance you also have coronary plaque.

If you have coronary plaque by a CT heart scan, there's a 50% chance you have erectile dysfunction.

If you have symptomatic coronary disease (chest pains, breathlessness, prior heart attack), there's a 90% chance you also have erectile dysfunction.


Coronary disease is characterized by a dysfunctional state of the "endothelium", or inner lining of the coronary arteries. Erectile dysfunction is characterized by dysfunction of the endothelium of the penile circulation. Same phenomenon, different territories. (There are other differences, of course, but the two conditions share this fundamental phenomenon.)


If you have any doubts about the physiologic effects of the supplement, l-arginine, just give it a try if you have erectile dysfunction. The erection enhancing effects alone should convince you that a genuine artery-dilating effect is exerted by this very powerful nutritional supplement.

If l-arginine fails by itself to restore full erectile capacity, there are additional strategies, both nutritional and medical, that you can consider.

Our newest Track Your Plaque Special Report on erectile dysfunction is coming out any day now.

High LDL cholesterol--only

As a sequel to my last post, just how often can we blame an isolated high LDL cholesterol as the cause of coronary plaque and a heart scan score?

In other words, how often does someone prove to have only LDL cholesterol as the cause of a heart scan score . . . and nothing else? No low HDL, small LDL, lipoprotein(a), a post-prandial (after-eating) intermediate-density lipoprotein, inflammatory responses, phospholipase A2, high triglycerides, vitamin D deficiency, etc.

Rarely. In fact, I can truly count the number of people who have only LDL cholesterol as their sole cause of coronary atherosclerotic plaque on one hand. It is really an infrequent situation.

Far more commonly, people have 5, 6, 7 or more reasons for coronary plaque.

Thus, the idea that a statin drug to reduce LDL will cure heart disease is completely folly. It does happen--but rarely. I think I've seen it happen twice. Much more commonly, a program that addresses all the causes of coronary plaque yields far superior benefits.

In my view, an effort to identify all the causes is relatively easy, makes far better sense, and provides you much greater assurance that you will succeed in conquering heart disease and removing its evil influence from your life.

Heart disease = statin deficiency

Judging from the conversations I hear from colleagues, what I hear from the media, and drug company advertising, you'd think that heart disease has one cause--a deficiency of statin drugs.

As their thinking goes, if you have coronary disease, you need a statin drug (Lipitor, Zocor, Crestor, pravachol, etc.). If you have progressive coronary disease, you need more statin drug. If you have a heart attack while on a statin drug, you need even more statin drug.

Some "experts" have even proposed that we do away with LDL cholesterol and we just give everybody a statin drug at high doses.

Does this make any sense to you?

Doesn't it make better sense that if someone has progressive heart disease or heart attack while on a statin drug, then target the other causes largely unaffected by a statin drug? Perhaps if LDL cholesterol remains high on the statin drug, then a higher dose is justified. But more often than not, it's not a high LDL on statin drugs that responsible, it's other causes. And there's many of them: low HDL, VLDL, IDL, Lp(a), deficiency of omega-3 fatty acids, inflammatory processes, vitamin D deficiency, among others. (An important exception to this is when the conventional calculated LDL substantially underestimates true LDL as measured by LDL particle number by NMR, apoprotein B, or 'direct' LDL.)

Imagine someone has pneumonia. After 2 weeks of antibiotics, they are only partly better. The solution: a higher dose of the same antibiotic--but never question if it was the right antibiotic in the first place. That's what is going on in heart disease.

The doctors have been brainwashed into believing this $22 billion dollar per year bit of propaganda. The drug companies actively try to recruit the public into believing the same. Don't fall for it.

The statin drugs do indeed have a role. But they are not the complete answer. More of the same when disease progresses makes no sense at all.

Fish oil and mercury

I often get questions about the mercury content in fish oil. I've even had patients come to the office saying their primary care doctor told them to stop fish oil to avoid mercury poisoning.

Manufacturers of fish oil also make claims that this product or that ("super-concentrated", "pharmaceutical grade", "purified", etc.) is purer or less contaminated than competitors' products. The manufacturers of the "drug" Omacor, or prescription fish oil, have added to the confusion by suggesting that their product is the most pure of all, since it is the most concentrated of any fish oil preparation (900 mg EPA+DHA per capsule). They claim that "OMACOR is naturally derived through a unique, patented process that creates a highly concentrated, highly purified prescription medicine. By prescribing OMACOR® (omega-3-acid ethyl esters), a prescription omega-3, your doctor is giving you a concentrated and reliable omega-3. Each OMACOR capsule contains 90% omega-3 acids (84% EPA/DHA*). Nonprescription omega-3 dietary supplements typically contain only 13%-63% EPA/DHA."

How much truth is there in these concerns?

Let's go to the data published by the USDA, FDA, and several independent studies. Let's add to that the independent (and therefore presumably unbiased) analyses provided by Consumer Reports and Consumer Labs (www.consumerlab.com). How much mercury has been found in fish oil supplements?

None.

This is different from the mercury content of whole fish that you eat. Predatory fish that are at the top of the food chain and consume other fish and thereby concentrate organic methyl mercury, the toxic form of mercury. Thus, shark, swordfish, and King mackerel are higher in mercury than sardines, herring, and salmon.

The mercury content of fish oil capsules have little to do with the method of processing and much more with the animal source of oil. Fish oil is generally obtained from sardines, salmon, and cod, all low in mercury. Fish oil capsules are not prepared from swordfish or shark.

Thus, concerns about mercury from fish oil--regardless of brand--are generally unfounded, according to the best information we have. Eating whole fish--now that's another story for another time. But you and I can take our fish oil to reduce triglycerides, VLDL, IDL, small LDL, and heart attack risk without worrying about mercury.

How much omega-3s are enough?

The basic dose we advocate for the Track Your Plaque program is 1200 mg per day of EPA + DHA, the essential omega-3 fatty acids.

1200 mg EPA+DHA is generally obtainable by taking 4 capsules of 1000 mg of fish oil, since the majority of preparations contain 180 mg EPA and 120 mg DHA per capsule.

But how will you know if a higher dose wouldn't be even better?

The principal parameter to look at is triglycerides. If triglycerides remain above 60 mg/dl, we usually consider increasing fish oil.

Another measure that's very important is intermediate-density lipoprotein, or IDL, also called "remnant lipoproteins" on a VAP panel. Persistence of any IDL or remnant lipoproteins is reason to consider more fish oil. Most commonly, if there is some persistence of either, we increase fish oil to 6000 mg per day of a standard preparation, or 1800 mg/day of EPA+DHA.

The only time we see persistence of IDL or remnant lipoproteins with this higher dose is when triglycerides are really high. If starting triglycerides are, for instance, 500 mg/dl, then even this higher dose may be insufficient. This is when more highly concentrated preparations of fish oil may be necessary, occasionally even the prescription form, Omacor. (We currently use Omacor only when high doses of EPA+DHA are required, most because of its outrageous cost. Two capsules per day costs around $120 per month; three capsules per day to provide 1800 mg/day of EPA+DHA costs $180 per month. I think this is outrageous and so we use it only when absolutely necessary.)

You might even argue that a higher dose of 1800 mg EPA+DHA, or 6000 mg of a standard capsule, might be preferable for more assured reduction of heart attack risk--even when triglycerides and IDL are perfectly under control. I wouldn't argue with you. But you won't observe any measurable feedback that tells you that a heightened effect is being obtained. I take that dose myself, in fact, despite the fact that elimination of wheat products and weight loss was sufficient to drop my triglycerides to the target level. I figure it's a small additional effort for added peace of mind.

Repentance for past sins

If you are new to the Track Your Plaque program and would like to jump start your effort, or if you are struggling with losing weight and excess weight is a part of the situation that created your CT heart scan score, then don't forget about fasting.

Fasting is the cessation of eating. However, recall from the Track Your Plaque Special Report, Fasting: Fast Track to Control Plaque at http://www.cureality.com/library/fl_04-012fasting.asp, there are many variations on fasting that permit some intake of healthy foods. (Thus, they are not, in the strict sense, "fasting". Accurate or no, there are variations that may be more palatable or do-able in the real world by real people.)

My personal favorite method to fast is to use a low-sugar, low-fat soy milk such as Light Silk, available at most major grocery stores. This high-protein, low-fat, low-sugar soy milk takes the edge off hunger and provides a minimal quantity of calories. A minimum of 72 hours is required for substantial results. (My one reservation about this brand of soy milk is that the Fanatic Cook claims that the manufacturer, Dean Foods, is a factory farm operation that abuses livestock--a discussion for another day.)

Fasting yields more than weight loss. It refreshes your appreciation for food. It reawakens you to the amount and quality of food you've been putting in your body. Fasting also allows you to recognize just how bad you might feel from the diet you were eating.

You also emerge from a fast with a reduced appetite and a renewed sense of appreciation for food. It makes the discipline of healthy eating a lot easier when you break your fast.

I tell people that fasting is not punishment. It is a form of enlightenment, of re-experiencing food and life. Fasting allows you to "catch up" on all the indiscretions you've been guilty of over the years.

It also provides enormous advantage in gaining control over coronary plaque.

A fanatic for Fanatic Cook

If you haven't already done so, I'd urge you to peruse the wonderfully insightful, sophisticated, and biting commentary provided by the Fanatic Cook Blog at http://fanaticcook.blogspot.com.

She (I assume it's a she) has been discussing the proposed Safe Food Act recently, an effort to address all the dangers in foods that have come to attention lately, like melamine in pet food and E. coli in bagged spinach. Her most recent post is:

Nebraska Farm Bureau Thinks Food Safety Act Bad Idea, the latest in a series of posts exploring this issue.

I'd like to know who the Fanatic Cook is, or "Bix" as she calls herself. (I assume it's a "she" but I don't really know that for a fact.) I've corresponded with her and she prefers to remain anonymous for unspecified reasons. I'd like to know who this person is both for a more secure sense of credibility, as well as I'd simply like to know who can write so intelligently and why. I suspect that she's a professional nutrition scientist or something along those lines, since the level of insight into many scientific issues is quite impressive. Her Blogs will make great material for a book, if compiled and organized. Watch out for this one.

Erectile dysfunction and coronary plaque

Erectile dysfunction (ED), previously known as "impotence," and coronary atherosclerotic plaque go hand in hand.

A recent study in men with advanced coronary disease showed that 93% experienced ED. The participants in the Track Your Plaque program, for the most part, do not have advanced coronary atherosclerosis, but have an earlier form detected by a CT heart scan.

What proportion of men with asymptomatic coronary plaque as measured by a CT heart scan have ED? Around 50%. In other words, it's not a rare occurrence.

The conversation about ED (and even its renaming from impotence) really gained momentum with the development of ED-drugs like Viagra and Cialis. The drugs are reasonably effective and safe. However, you will hear little about all the strategies that can either precede your need for these drugs and/or enhance your response to these drugs if the response is partial. That part of the conversation, of course, doesn't yield loads of drug company revenues.

One of the most helpful and specific nutritional supplements available that can partially restore the nitric oxide-deficiency of ED is l-arginine. L-arginine is the body's source of nitric oxide (NO), the master dilator (relaxing agent) for all arteries of the body. NO dilates penile arteries, it dilates coronary arteries. Lack of NO disables the penile capacity for erection and encourages growth of coronary atherosclerotic plaque. Track Your Plaque Members are already familiar with l-arginine as a facilitator of coronary plaque regression.

We will detail the supplements that you can use safely in your Track Your Plaque program to both enhance erectile function if you suffer ED, as well as impact positively on coronary health, in an upcoming and detailed Special Report on the www.cureality.com website.
Warning: Your pharmacist may be hazardous to your health

Warning: Your pharmacist may be hazardous to your health

Pharmacists can be very helpful resources when it comes to questions about prescription drugs.

The operant word here is drugs.

What they are most definitely not expert on are nutritional supplements. In fact, a day doesn't pass by without having to dispell one falsehood or another conveyed to a patient about a nutritional supplement by a pharmacist.

Among the more common falsehoods told to patients by pharmacists:

"You have to take Niaspan. Sloniacin doesn't work."

Patent nonsense. A few years back, I was the largest prescriber of Niaspan in Wisconsin. Although I am embarassed to admit it, I also spoke for the company, educating fellow physicians on the value of niacin for correction of lipid disorders.

Then I shifted to Sloniacin due to cost--it costs 1/20th the cost of prescription Niaspan. I examined the pharmacokinetic data (pattern of release in the body), the published literature (e.g., the famous HATS Trial), and have used Sloniacin over 1000 times in patients. In my experience, there is no difference: no difference in efficacy, no difference in safety, no difference in side-effects. There is a BIG difference in price.

Unfortunately, most pharmacists get their information on niacin from the Niaspan representative.


"You shouldn't be taking vitamin D supplements. I have prescription vitamin D here."

What the pharmacist means is that you should replace your vitamin D3, or cholecalciferol--the form recognized as vitamin D by the human body--with the plant form of vitamin D, vitamin D2 or ergocalciferol.

Since when is a plant form of a hormone (vitamin D is a potent hormone, not a vitamin; it was misnamed) better than the human form?

I've previously talked about this issue in a blog post called Vitamin D for the pharmaceutically challenged.

The notion that D2 is somehow superior to the real thing, D3, is absurd. I use D3 only in my practice and have checked blood levels thousands of times. As long as the D3 comes as a gelcap, drops, or powder in a capsule, it works great, yielding predictable and substantial increases in blood levels of 25-hydroxy vitamin D. If it comes as prescription D2 (or over-the-counter D2), I have seen many failures: no increase in blood levels of vitamin D or meager increases.

Prescription status is no guarantee of effectiveness.


"Why do you need iodine? You already get enough from food."

The NHANES data over the last 25 years argue otherwise: Iodine deficiency is growing, particularly as people are avoiding iodized salt and the iodine content of processed foods is diminishing. The explosion in goiters in my office also suggest this is no longer a settled issue.

On the positive side, it is exceptionally easy to remedy with an inexpensive iodine supplement. That is, until the pharmacist intervenes and injects his bit of nutritional mis-information.


I'm not bashing pharmacists. In fact, Track Your Plaque's own Dr. BG has a pharmacy background, and she is an absolute genius with nutritonal supplements. But she is a rare exception to the rule: Most pharmacists know virtually nothing about nutritional supplements. You might as well ask your hairdresser.

Comments (24) -

  • Jenny

    6/11/2009 10:55:25 PM |

    Dr. Davis,

    Excuse me if I missed it, but what dose would you suggest supplementing iodine at?

    I've been taking a kelp pill with 150 mc since reading your blog posts about it. I seem to feel perkier, but that might be placebo effect, or spring.

  • Anonymous

    6/12/2009 2:47:45 AM |

    Actually your hairdresser might know a lot more than your pharmacist.Hairdressers do have to study nutrition you know!.

  • Helena

    6/12/2009 2:50:41 AM |

    You are saying what I have been saying for years! I am so glad I found your blog! I take at least 5000 IU of Vitamin D3 every day.
    More often I meet Doctors and other people whitin the prescription drug industry that questions my motive on taking natural nutrition, and all I do is shake my head and wonder why they are allowed to call themselves doctors. I thought that the most important thing was "First do no harm"...

  • Anna

    6/12/2009 3:06:43 AM |

    I would add that the vitamin & supp store clerk's advice needs to be taken with a grain of salt, too, at least until you have learned which clerks to trust.  

    At the local stores where I buy my supplements, there are some clerks whose judgement I trust quite a bit when choosing a new supplement or brand, because they have given sound, credible advice in the past, and I know from discussions they have a sound understanding of human nutrition and physiology.  

    But there are a few clerks I know to avoid like the plague, because they have too often "dispensed" patently untrue, biased, and  uninformed nutrition and biochemistry advice.   One of them (the one with the huge divots in his cheeks from protein deficiencies) tried to sell me "whole food plant-sourced" Vitamin D, with the argument that whole food sources are always superior (I already knew to take the fish liver D3, not the D2 from rradiated yeast or plant sterols).

    I'm glad you keep reminding everyone about choosing the right form of Vitamin D - D3.

  • Anonymous

    6/12/2009 4:03:45 AM |

    "Most pharmacists know virtually nothing about nutritional supplements".... got that right.  I asked about vitamin k2 supplements and why there was a 120mcu restriction in canada.  The pharmacist said he knew only about Vitamin K as injections used for babies....

  • Peter

    6/12/2009 10:38:11 AM |

    I don't think you should bash hairdressers as ignorant about nutrition.  Mine has lost around 60 pounds eating low carb and looks great.  I'd take anything he says about nutrition seriously.

  • Kismet

    6/12/2009 11:22:06 AM |

    Personally, I've yet to meet a good pharmacist in Austria. Most of them are even worse than our mediocre doctors; it's really a shame...

    I think I know what you're up to with the sleeping poll! ;.)
    Is it?

    JAMA. 2008 Dec 24;300(24):2859-66.
    Short sleep duration and incident coronary artery calcification.
    King CR, Knutson KL, Rathouz PJ, Sidney S, Liu K, Lauderdale DS.

    I'd love to see the study results discussed.

  • Mark K. Sprengel

    6/12/2009 12:11:19 PM |

    Interesting, my fiance's father was recently give Niaspan by his doctor and at a pretty high dose. He had a severe reactions, jitters, heart sped up etc. and quit taking it. The Dr. said that couldn't have been caused by the Niaspan but the pharmacist said it was as he had the same reaction when he was on it.

  • Anonymous

    6/12/2009 3:15:08 PM |

    Great Post, Thanks.

    I am a bit curious though as to the difference between Niaspan and Sloniacin. From what I've been told, and correct me if I've been given false information, is that Naispan has a substantially quicker release time than Slonaicin, therefore being easier on the liver, especially at higher doses?

    Thanks,
    Kent

  • H

    6/12/2009 5:48:27 PM |

    I have a pretty specific question about the Vitamin D issue....

    I have a Vit D deficiency -- first noticed by the endocrinologist that I see for hypothyroidism. She prescribed a supplement over one year ago; and I get it tested every few months. So far, I still have a deficiency - I don't know the exact numbers, but I got the impression it hasn't moved much at all. I usually take a gelcap weekly for about six weeks after the blood test, and then drop back to taking it monthly (per her instructions).

    After reading the post you referred to above, I looked into it a bit more and confirmed that she has me on D2 (50k units, I think). So I asked her about this, told her about what I'd read on your website and others, and whether it would be better to switch to D3. She was emphatic that it would not...partly (or entirely?? I can't remember if she had other reasons too) because I already take SO MANY medications that finding a schedule that works for taking them where they all work effectively is already a huge challenge. (Some have to be taken alone, like Synthroid, etc. And I'm on warfarin, which just makes *everything* difficult.)

    She insists that she can get Vit D stabilized "eventually" with D2, and that sometimes it just takes awhile. She is an endocrinologist with -- as far as I can tell -- a good reputation locally; so she SHOULD know what she's talking about. But I just don't know; and the ongoing deficiency concerns me a little bit.

    What is your opinion? Should I be looking for another endocrinologist? Thanks in advance for any thoughts or guidance.

  • Dr. William Davis

    6/12/2009 7:32:26 PM |

    Hi, Jenny--

    After an exhaustive search, I have come to the conclusion that nobody knows the ideal dose of iodine for human health.

    However, 500 mcg per day has been working well for us.

  • Dr. William Davis

    6/12/2009 7:34:04 PM |

    H--

    Your doctor's attitude is, sadly, representative of the knuckleheaded bias of my colleagues: Prescription = good, non-prescription = bad.

    Yet there is no rational reason for this distinction when it comes to D2 vs. D3. D3 = human; D2 = non-human. Which are you?

  • Anonymous

    6/12/2009 7:49:57 PM |

    Kent,

    I believe they BOTH release over a 6-8 hour period of time. If Niaspan was released faster, my guess is that it would cause more flushing and that less people would be able to tolerate it.

    I myself take Endur-acin which is also released over a 6-8 hour period of time.

  • kris

    6/12/2009 8:50:41 PM |

    i usually order mine from IHERB. the reason being is that the feed backs from the users helps to make a collective decision. the feed backs are exclusive to the actual purchasers through email invitations. still better to study my self along with the feed backs. good price, fast shipping, best customer service and large collection.
    As to the iodine Dose, Dr davis, you are absolutely right about the iodine dose that no body knows. we have 5 people in our family. our doses are from lugol's 20mg a day to 650mcg from kelp to one person can only take 150mcg every second day. mostly it is the rapid heart beat and light pain behind the neck is the indication of over dose for me. when i first started taking iodine i have taken up to 50MG a day and it was lugol's. i felt great. but soon after few days i  had to reduce my doze. now i am taking kelp tablets with 650 mcg iodine in it. i am taking these with L-tyrosine 500mg along with vitamins B's. i feel that kelp contains bromine, therefore it helps to balance if it is over dose. i also do not take any vitamins or iodine etc. 2 days in a week, so that the body can not get lazy on this extra supply of vitamins. Iodine also helps to cleanup the body from mercury, bromine, fluoride etc. so it may develop little rash or other signs like too much sweating. i also felt that Norwegian kelp feels better than any other kelp for some reason.
    the other thing that i noticed that when starting iodine or thyroid hormones, one may notice loose gum and pain around the hard working side teeth. because iodine and thyroid hormones get rid of extra water from the body. bones become smaller and stronger. to get rid of the temporary discomfort to the teeth and gum, we have used turmeric powder as a mouth wash successfully. leave it in the mouth for a minute or so and it will help big time.

  • Jessica

    6/12/2009 11:25:02 PM |

    H-

    "So far, I still have a deficiency - I don't know the exact numbers, but I got the impression it hasn't moved much at all."

    Not at all surprising. D2 is only 1/3 as effective as D3. Taking 50,000 IU of D2 is equivalent to roughly 2,000 IU of D3.

    I started with a Vit D 25(OH) level of 26 ng/mL and it took nearly 9 months of 10,000 IU/daily of D3 to get an optimal level (70-90 ng/mL).

    If you have any of the NUMEROUS medical conditions that need Vitamin D, then you likely will require more D than the average person...if you're carrying extra weight you'll likely need more than the average person...if you're dark skinned, you'll likely need more than the average person...if you live north of Atlanta, GA, you'll likely require more D than the average person...

    With all of these factors, its not at all surprising that you haven't yet achieved a good Vit D level since you've only been taking D2.

    Taking D2 instead of D3 is like giving a thirty man in a desert a thimble of water to quench his thirst. He's getting water, right? But, it's not enough to do any good, so whats the point?

    Take D3 and take enough to get a good blood level.

  • Becki

    6/12/2009 11:51:17 PM |

    D3 is best in power or gelcap form?  Does that mean I'm wasting my money on the tablets I purchased?

  • Anonymous

    6/13/2009 12:59:06 AM |

    Hey Kent,

    My primary care physician sent me to a cardiologist at Ottawa heart institute.  I had already started using the "Now" brand Niacin after reading a study from Baylor's lipids online.  I asked about Niaspan as I assumed it was a pharmaceutical grade and more accurately controlled.
    The Cardiologist's comment was that the blood work indicated what I was taking was just fine but she had no issues providing a prescription for Niaspan.  My insurance at the time covered the cost.  I changed jobs, the new insurance company would not. I take 2grms at bedtime.  I sometimes get a flush and tingling, which I did with Niaspan too; but who the hell cares, my tg numbers speak to the value of this minor inconvenience
    Trevor
    Sups= Niacin/K2/D3/fish oil

  • gkwellness

    6/13/2009 8:07:48 AM |

    About 9 weeks back, my 25-Hydroxy Vitamin D levels were found to be dangerously low at 12.2 ng/ml! My situation led me to research, begin a self-directed treatment and create a blog www.gkwellness.wordpress.com to benefit others. I have taken a re-test of Vitamin D and expect the new results soon. Considering that my 6th week supplementation went up to 604,000 IU, it would be most interesting to know my new levels which I shall promptly post on my blog.

  • Helena

    6/13/2009 11:30:44 PM |

    Becky,

    "D3 is best in power or gelcap form? Does that mean I'm wasting my money on the tablets I purchased?"

    To answer you I would say that liquid is always the best. The body can absorb up to 98% when taken by liquid, but it can be as low as 20% when taking by pill. With powder you should always wait until it is compleatley dissolved (20 minutes) or you will loose some vital IU's.

    However I would not throw away your pills, but take them until you have no more. Until then I would look for a better alternative.

    I take my Vitamin D3 by liquid and I love it.

    Good luck!

  • Trinkwasser

    6/17/2009 1:26:50 PM |

    IME pharmacists have a competence range at least as great as doctors

    "If you needed a glucometer one would have been prescribed for you"

    "Sounds like you may be diabetic, I'll sell you a meter and you can take the test results to your doctor"

    two different pharmacists. I've found much the same with respect to knowledge both of drugs and other supplements. A good one can be an excellent source of useful information, if you can find one.

  • AustralianPharma

    12/15/2009 3:10:49 AM |

    I'd like to second a previous comment to put into perspective that a range of expertise exists across all members of a particular field, whether that be pharmacy or medicine. I've had plenty of disturbing queries from doctors to my pharmacy, one that comes to mind is from a doctor (over fifty years of age) that needed to know the name of any antibiotic that comes in a cream. You would think that over the course of a career, and access to printed and electronic resources within their practice, they could figure it out on their own. However, does that mean most GPs are woefully out of touch and lacking the continuing education necessary to practice or let along know where to find drug info without resorting to the phonebook for the nearest pharmacy? Of course not, branding an entire profession due to personal bad experiences is the same as saying a treatment is fantastic and bound to work because of hearsay evidence, or that it worked for your friend's friend.

    Most doctors I deal with are knowledgeable and I am glad to assist with queries, most pharmacists I find the same. If you are asking a 'shop clerk' for help, that is different from asking a pharmacist. It is like asking the receptionist at your  GP's clinic to check your rash and makes a diagnosis.

    AustralianPharma
    http://askapharmacist.com.au

  • buy jeans

    11/3/2010 8:25:46 PM |

    CT coronary angiograms yield around $1800-$4000 per test. CT heart scans yield somewhere around $200. Though the scan center support staff might not care too much about the money themselves, their administrators likely make the cost distinctions clear to them.

  • pammi

    11/9/2010 9:28:21 AM |

    Heart  disease is one of the most  dangerous disease which takes thousands of life every years all over the world. If we know its symptoms and Treatment for heart disease. We can prevent is to large extent.

  • rhett daniels,m.sc.

    5/2/2011 10:23:31 AM |

    hello -

    there IS a difference between Slo-Niacin and Niapsan.  It has to do with the difference btw Ph-dependent release and non Ph-dependent release.  the Niaspan product has a bile containing element that achieves optimum absorption at targeted GI areas.

    also, there are two forms of pharmaceutical grade D2/D3:  brand names drisdol and rocaltral.

    any Non-Rx you get on the shelf is not regulated.  take at your own risk.

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