Restaurant eating: A fructose landmine

There is no remaining question that fructose is among the worst possible things humans can consume.

Followers of the Heart Scan Blog already know this, from conversations like The LDL-Fructose Disconnect, Where do you find fructose?, and Goodbye, fructose.

But fructose, usually as either high-fructose corn syrup (44%, 55%, occasionally higher percentage fructose) or sucrose (50% fructose), is ubiquitous. I've seen it in the most improbable places, including cole slaw, mustard, and dill pickles.

It's reasonably straightforward to avoid or minimize fructose exposure while eating at home, provided you check labels and focus on foods that don't require labels (like green peppers, salmon, and olive oil, i.e., unprocessed foods). But when you choose to eat at a restaurant, then all hell can break loose and fructose exposure can explode.

So what are some common and unsuspected fructose sources when eating at a restaurant?

Salad dressings--Dressings in all stripes and flavors are now made with high-fructose corn syrup and/or sucrose. This is especially true of low-fat, non-fat, or "lite" dressings, meaning oils have been replaced by high-fructose corn syrup. It can also be true of traditional non-low-fat dressings, too, since high-fructose corn syrup is just plain cheap.

Olive oil and vinegar are still your safest bets. I will often use salsa as a dressing, which works well.

Sauces and gravies--Not only can sauces be thickened with cornstarch, many pre-mixed sauces are also made with high-fructose corn syrup or sweetened with sucrose. Barbecue sauce is a particular landmine, since it is now a rare barbecue sauce not made with high-fructose corn syrup as the first or second ingredient. Sauces for dipping are nearly always high-fructose corn syrup-based.

Ketchup--Yup. Good old ketchup even is now made with high-fructose corn syrup. In fact, you should be suspicious of any condiment.

Highball, Bloody Mary, Margarita, Daiquiri, beer--Even the before-dinner or dinner drink can have plenty of fructose, particularly if a mix is used to make it. While Blood Marys seem the most benign of all, adorned with celery, pickle, and olive, just take a look at the ingredient label on the mix used: high-fructose corn syrup.

Fructose is a stealth poison: It doesn't immediately increase blood sugar; it doesn't trigger any perceptible effect like increased energy or sleepiness. But it is responsible for an incredible amount of the health struggles in the U.S., from obesity, to diabetes, to hyperlipidemias and heart disease, to arthritis, to cataracts.

A glycation rock and a hard place

Advanced Glycation End-products, or AGEs, the stuff of aging that mucks up brains, kidneys, and arteries, develop via two different routes: endogenous (from within the body) and exogenous (from outside the body).

Endogenous AGEs develop via glycation. Glycation of proteins in the body occurs when there are glucose excursions above normal. For instance, a blood glucose of 150 mg/dl after your bowl of stone-ground oatmeal causes glycation of proteins left and right, from the proteins in the lens of your eyes (cataracts), to the proteins in your kidneys (proteinuria and kidney dysfunction), to skin cells (wrinkles), to cartilage (brittle cartilage followed by arthritis), to LDL particles, especially small LDL particles (atherosclerosis).

At what blood sugar level does glycation occur? It occurs even at "normal" glucose levels below 100 mg/dl (with measurable long-term cardiovascular effects as low as 83 mg/dl). In other words, some level of glycation proceeds even at blood glucose levels regarded as normal.

There's nothing we can do about the low-level of glycation that occurs at low blood sugar levels of, say, 90 mg/dl or less. However, we can indeed do a lot to not allow glycation to proceed more rapidly, as it inevitably will at blood sugar levels higher than 90 mg/dl.

How do you keep blood sugars below 90 mg/dl to prevent excessive glycation? Avoid or minimize the foods that cause such rises in blood sugar: carbohydrates.

What food increases blood sugar higher than nearly all other known foods? Wheat.

Is einkorn the answer?

People ask: "What if I would like a piece of bread or other baked product just once in a while? What is safe?"

Eli Rogosa, Director of The Heritage Wheat Conservancy, believes that a return to the wheat of our ancestors in the Fertile Crescent, circa 10,000 years ago, is the answer.

Former science teacher, now organic farmer, farm researcher, and advocate of sustainable agriculture, Eli has been reviving "heritage" crops farmed under organic conditions, some of her research USDA-funded.

In particular, Eli has been cultivating original 14-chromosome ("diploid") einkorn wheat. Although einkorn contains gluten (in lesser quantities despite the higher total protein content), the group of proteins that trigger the immune abnormalities of celiac disease and other immune phenomena, Eli tells me that she has witnessed many people with a variety of wheat intolerances, including celiac disease, tolerate foods made with einkorn wheat. (The variety of glutens in einkorn differ from the glutens of the dwarf mutant that now dominate supermarket shelves.)

Eli travels to Israel every year, returning with "heritage" seeds for wheat and other crops. She formerly worked in the Israel GenBank as Director of the Ancient Wheat Program. She has written a brochure that describes her einkorn wheat.

Eli sent me 2 lb of her einkorn grain that nutritionist, Margaret Pfeiffer, and I ground into bread. Our experience is detailed here. My subsequent blood sugar misadventure, comparing einkorn bread to conventional organic whole wheat bread is detailed here, followed by the odd neurologic effects I experienced here.

Anyone else wishing to try this little ancient wheat experiment with einkorn can also obtain either the unground grain or ground flour through Eli's website, www.growseed.org. Most recently, einkorn pasta is being retailed under the Jovial brand at Whole Foods Market.

If anyone else makes bread or any other food with Eli's einkorn wheat, please let me know:

1) Your blood sugar response (before and 1 hour after consumption)
2) Whether you experienced any evidence of wheat intolerance similar to what you experienced with conventional wheat, e.g., rash, acid reflux, gas and cramping, moodiness, asthma, etc.

But remember: Wheat effects or no, einkorn is still a grain. My belief is that humans do best with little or no grain. The einkorn experience is an effort to identify reasonable compromises so that you and I can have a piece of birthday cake once a year without getting sick.

Genetic incompatibility

Peter has lipoprotein(a), or Lp(a), a genetic pattern shared by 11% of Americans.

It means that Peter inherited a gene that codes for a protein, called apoprotein(a), that attaches to LDL particles, forming the combined particle Lp(a). It also means that his overall pattern responds well to a high-fat, high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet: The small LDL particles that accompany Lp(a) over 90% of the time are reduced, Lp(a) itself is modestly reduced, other abnormalities like high triglycerides (that facilitate Lp(a)'s adverse effects) are corrected. Small LDL particles are, by the way, part of the genetic "package" of Lp(a) in most carriers.

Peter also has another gene for Apo E4, another genetically-determined pattern shared by 19% of Americans. (Another 2% of Americans have two "doses" of Apo E4, i.e., they are homozygotes for E4.) This means that the Apo E protein, normally responsible for liver uptake and disposal of lipoproteins (especially VLDL), is defective. In people with Apo E4, the higher the fat intake, the more LDL particles accumulate. (The explanation for this effect is not entirely clear, but it may represent excessive defective Apo E-enriched VLDL that competes with LDL for liver uptake.) People with Apo E4 therefore drop LDL (and LDL particle number and apoprotein B) with reductions in fat intake.

This is a genetic rock-and-a-hard-place, or what I call a genetic incompatibility. If Peter increases fat and reduces carbohydrates to reduce Lp(a)/small LDL, then LDL measures like LDL particle number, apoprotein B, and LDL cholesterol will increase. Paradoxically, sometimes small LDL particles will even increase in some genetically predisposed people.

If Peter decreases fat and increases carbohydrates, LDL particle number, apoprotein B, and LDL cholesterol will decrease, but the proportion of small LDL will increase and Lp(a) may increase.

Thankfully, such "genetic incompatibilities" are uncommon. In my large practice, for instance, I have about 5 such people.

The message: If you witness paradoxic responses that don't make sense or follow the usual pattern, e.g., reductions in LDL particle number, apoprotein B, and small LDL with reductions in their dietary triggers (i.e., carbohydrates, especially wheat), then consider a competing genetic trait such as Apo E4.

The folly of an RDA for vitamin D

Tom is a 50-year old, 198-lb white male. At the start, his 25-hydroxy vitamin D level was 28.8 ng/ml in July. Tom supplements vitamin D, 2000 units per day, in gelcap form. Six months later in January (winter), Tom's 25-hydroxy vitamin D level: 67.4 ng/ml.

Jerry is another 50-year old white male with similar build and weight. Jerry's starting summer 25-hydroxy vitamin D level: 26.4 ng/ml. Jerry takes 12,000 units vitamin D per day, also in gelcap form. In winter, six months later, Jerry's 25-hydroxy vitamin D level: 63.2 ng/ml.

Two men, similar builds, similar body weight, both Caucasian, similar starting levels of 25-hydroxy vitamin D. Yet they have markedly different needs for vitamin D dose to achieve a similar level of 25-hydroxy vitamin D. Why?

It's unlikely to be due to variation in vitamin D supplement preparations, since I monitor vitamin D levels at least every 6 months and, even with changes in preparations, dose needs remain fairly constant.

The differences in this situation are likely genetically-determined. To my knowledge, however, the precise means by which genetic variation accounts for it has not been worked out.

This highlights the folly of specifying a one-size-fits-all Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA) for vitamin D. The variation in need can be incredible. While needs are partly determined by body size and proportion body fat (the bigger you are, the more you need), I've also seen 105 lb women require 14,000 units and 320-lb men require 1000 units to achieve the same level of 25-hydroxy vitamin D.

An RDA for everyone? Ridiculous. Vitamin D is an individual issue that must be addressed on a person-by-person basis.

Heart scan: Standard of care?

If coronary disease is easy to detect by measuring coronary calcium, shouldn't this represent the standard of care?

In other words, if you've been seeing your doctor and he/she has been monitoring cholesterol levels and, inevitably, talks about statin drugs, then you have a heart attack, unstable angina, or die--yet never knew you had heart disease--isn't this negligence?

Coronary calcium, and thereby coronary atherosclerotic plaque, are markers for the disease itself. Unlike cholesterol, high blood pressure, etc., that represent risk factors for coronary atherosclerotic plaque, coronary calcium is a measure of total plaque: "soft" elements like lipid collections, necrotic tissue, fibrous tissue, as well as "hard" elements like calcium. Because calcium occupies 20% of total atherosclerotic plaque volume, it can be used as an indirect "dipstick" for total plaque.

So why isn't an unexpected heart attack, hospitalization for unstable heart symptions, emergency bypass, etc., not regarded as potential malpractice? These are not benign events, but potentially life-threatening.

The costs of doing drug business?

Here's a telling situation.

Liz had been on prescription niacin, Niaspan, 1500 mg per day (3 x 500 mg tablets) for several years to treat her severe small LDL pattern and familial hypertriglyceridemia (triglycerides 500-1000 mg/dl). Because her health insurance had been paying for the "drug," she insisted on taking the prescription form.

A change in insurance, however, meant that the Niaspan was no longer covered. Her pharmacy wanted to charge $227 per month.

Liz came to the office in tears, worried that she was going to have to choke up $227 per month. I reminded her that, as I had told her several years ago, she could easily replace the Niaspan with over-the-counter Sloniacin or Enduracin. Both release niacin over approximately 6 hours, just like Niaspan.

Here are the prices I've seen with Sloniacin, 100 tablets of 500 mg:

Walgreens: $15.99
Walmart: $12.99
Costco: $8.99

So the most expensive source, Walgreens, would cost Liz just under $15.99 per month to take 1500 mg per day.

$15.99 versus $227.00 per month for preparations that are highly similar. Hmmmmmm.

I wonder what the $211.01 extra per month goes towards? Admittedly, Abbott Labs, the current company selling Niaspan (after Abbott acquired Kos), has invested in a few clinical trials, such as ARBITER-HALTS6. But does supporting research justify this much difference, a difference that amounts to $2532 over a year? If just 100,000 patients are prescribed Niaspan at this dose (a typical dose), this generates $253 million.

Is the cost of developing and marketing a supplement-turned-drug that great? Is this justifiable? Is it any wonder that our health insurance premiums continue to balloon?

I use Sloniacin and Enduracin almost exclusively.

Measurement

A crucial component of self-empowerment in healthcare is to be able to measure various health parameters. More and more measurement tools are entering the direct-to-consumer arena.

Quantification of various phenomena is important in managing many aspects of health. Imagine a carpenter trying to build a house without the use of a tape measure, level, or other measuring tools. In health, as in building a house, measurement, adjustment, and correction are critical.

Among the most helpful health measurement tools:

Blood glucose meters--Blood glucose meters aren't just for diabetics. They are among the most powerful weight loss tools available.

Blood pressure cuffs--There's no better way to assess blood pressure than to assess it under all the varied conditions of life: When you're tired, when you're excited, when you're upset, when you're happy, hungry, stomach full, morning, night. This is a lot better than the one isolated measure in the doctor's office.

Digital thermometers--Your first a.m. oral temperature is a great way to assess thyroid status. We aim to maintain first a.m. oral temperature around 97.3 degrees F, the normal human temperature upon arising that reflects normal thyroid function. (No, Dr. Broda Barnes fans, axillary temperatures should NOT be used due to flagrant variation from right armpit to left armpit, modifying effects of clothing and ambient temperature, etc. Oral temperature tracks internal, "core," temperature fluctuations reliably, including circadian variation, far better than axillary temperatures.)

Fingerstick blood tests--An incredible number of blood tests are now available just by performing a simple fingerstick in your kitchen or bathroom. You can get 25-hydroxy vitamin D, lipids, thyroid measures (TSH, free T3, free T4), hormones (DHEA, testosterone, estrogens). And the list is growing rapidly. Salivary tests are also growing in number for many of the same measures.

A variation on fingerstick blood tests are devices like CardioChek that allow you to do a fingerstick, but also run the test on your own device at home. (The CardioChek device tests total cholesterol, triglycerides, and HDL.)

Urine pH--You can dipstick your own urine to assess the relative acidity or alkalinity of your lifestyle. Acid pH (7 or below) suggests that diet is weighed too heavily in favor of animal products and grains. An alkaline pH (above 7) suggests plentiful vegetables and fruits, not counteracted by animal products and grains.

There are many more, including the ZEO device to monitor sleep quality, RESPeRATE for reduction of blood pressure, HeartMath to manage stress and augment the parasympathatic (relaxation) response. We've come a long way compared to the health monitoring devices of just 25-30 years ago.

Anyway, that's a partial list. Given the rapid advances in technology that allow such home tests, I anticipate a much longer list in the coming few years.

For some perspective on how far these devices have come, here's a great graphic of an early sphygmomanometer, or blood pressure gauge.


Courtesy Wellcome Library, London

I lost 37 lbs with a fingerstick

Jack needed to lose weight.

At 5 ft 7 inches, he weighed in at 273 lbs, putting his BMI at a sobering 42.8. (A BMI of 30 or above is classified as "obese.") In addition to lipoprotein(a), Jack had an extravagant quantity of small LDL (the evil "partner" of lipoprotein(a)), high triglycerides, and blood sugars in the diabetic range. With a heart scan score of 1670, Jack had little room for compromises.

Try as he might, Jack could simply not stick to the diet I urged him to follow. Three days, for instance, of avoiding wheat was promptly interrupted by his wife's tempting him with a nice BLT sandwich. This triggered his appetite, with diet spiraling downward in short order.

So I taught Jack how to check his blood sugars using a fingerstick device, what I call the most important weight loss tool available. I asked Jack to check his pre-meal blood glucose and his one-hour after-meal blood glucose and not allow the after-meal blood glucose to rise any higher than the pre-meal. For example, if blood glucose pre-meal was 115 mg/dl, after-meal blood glucose should be no higher than 115 mg/dl.

If any food or combination of foods increase blood glucose more than the pre-meal value, then eliminate the culprit food or reduce the portion size. For example, if dinner consists of baked salmon, asparagus, and mashed potatoes, and pre-meal blood glucose is 115 mg/dl, post-meal 155 mg/dl, reduce or eliminate the mashed potatoes. If slow-cooked, stone ground oatmeal causes blood glucose to increase from 115 mg/dl to 185 mg/dl (a typical response to oatmeal), then eliminate it.

Having immediate feedback on the effects of various foods finally did it for Jack: It identified foods that were triggering excessive blood sugar rises (and thereby insulin) and foods that did not.

What Jack did not do is limit or restrict calories. In fact, I asked him to eat portion sizes that left him comfortable. There was no need to reduce calories, push the plate away, etc. Just don't allow blood sugars to rise.

Six months later, Jack came back 37 lbs lighter. And he got there without calorie-counting, without regulating portion sizes, without hunger.

The two kinds of small LDL

You won't find this in any publication nor description (at least ones that I've come across) about the ubiquitous small LDL particles. It's an observation I've made having obtained thousands of advanced lipoprotein panels of the sort that break lipoproteins down by size. I've discussed this issue previously here. But small LDL is so ubiquitous, not addressed by conventional strategies like statin drugs or fat restriction (it is made worse, in fact, by reducing fat in the diet), that it is worth keeping at the top of everyone's consciousness.

(Because most of the lipoprotein analyses performed in my office are done via NMR, I will discuss in terms relevant to NMR. This does not necessarily mean that similar observations cannot be made with centrifugation, i.e, VAP from Atherotech, or gel electropheresis from Berkeley, Boston Heart Lab, Spectracell, and others).

There are two basic varieties of small LDL particles:

1) Genetically-programmed--e.g., via cholesteryl-ester transfer protein (CETP) activity
2) Acquired--via carbohydrate consumption


It means that people with acquired small LDL from carbohydrate consumption can reduce small LDL to zero with reduction of carbohydrates, especially the most small LDL-provoking foods of all: wheat, cornstarch, and sucrose.

It also means that people who have small LDL for genetically-determined reasons can only minimize, not eliminate, small LDL. By NMR, we struggle to keep small LDL in the 300-600 nmol/L range when genetically-determined. (People typically start with 1400-3000 nmol/L small LDL particles prior to diet changes and other efforts.) We can only presumptively identify genetically-determined small LDL when all the appropriate efforts have been made, including reduction in weight to ideal, yet small LDL persists.

Here is where we need better tools: when you've done everything possible, yet small LDL persists.

While we break LDL particles (NOT LDL cholesterol, the crude and misleading way of viewing atherosclerosis causation) down by size, it's really about all the undesirable characteristics that accompany small size:

--Distortion of Apo B conformation--i.e., the primary protein that directs LDL particle fate is distorted, making it less likely to be cleared by the liver but more likely to be taken up by inflammatory (macrophages) in the artery wall, creating plaque. It means that small LDL particles linger for a longer time than larger particles.

--Small LDLs are more oxidation-prone. Oxidized LDL are more avidly taken up by inflammatory macrophages.

--Small LDLs are more glycation-prone.

--Small LDLs are more adherent to structural tissues, e.g., glycosaminoglycans, that reside in the artery wall.

You and I cannot measure such phenomena, so we resort to distinguishing LDL particles by size.

The drug industry believes it may have a solution to small LDL in the form of CETP-inhibiting drugs, like anacetrapib. In the way of nutritional solutions beyond carbohydrate reduction, weight loss/exercise, niacin, vitamin D normalization, and omega-3 fatty acid supplementation, there are exciting but very preliminary data surrounding the possibility that anthocyanins may inhibit CETP activity. Having toyed with this concept for the past 6 months, I remain uncertain how meaningful the effect truly is, but it is harmless, since we obtain anthocyanins from foods colored purple or purplish, such as blackberries, blueberries, cherries, red leaf lettuce, red cabbage, etc.

I welcome any unique observations on this issue.
What's that in your mouth?

What's that in your mouth?




Fat = triglycerides

In other words, eat fat, whether it's saturated, hydrogenated, polyunsaturated, or monounsaturated, and blood levels of triglycerides will go up over the next 6 hours. This remains true if there are carbohydrates in the meal, or if there are NO carbohydrates in the meal. It also remains true if you chronically consume fats.

While fats are the primary determinant of postprandial (after-eating) triglycerides, carbohydrates are the primary determinant of fasting triglycerides.

So, if your triglycerides are high on a fasting cholesterol (lipid) panel, it's most likely because you overconsume carbohydrates.


Thanks to cartoonist Eli Stein, who has generously allowed me to reprint his artwork on these pages. Mr. Stein has published his work in dozens of magazines and newspapers, including the Wall Street Journal, Barron's, and Good Housekeeping. More of his work can be found at Eli Stein Cartoons.

Comments (17) -

  • Aaron Blaisdell

    1/7/2010 7:58:19 PM |

    Amen, brother! This is the dirty little secret that proponents of the lipid-hypothesis of CAD continually try to sweep under the rug. Looks like the cat's out of the bag, though, thanks to the internet.

  • Anonymous

    1/7/2010 8:23:51 PM |

    But what can be done about post-meal elevated triglycerides?  Would it be best to avoid fats too, and just eat fruits and vegetables, if one had the will power to do it?

  • Kiwi

    1/8/2010 8:24:56 AM |

    Perhaps we should just give up eating altogether.

  • Nigel Kinbrum BSc(Hons)Eng

    1/8/2010 10:41:14 AM |

    I think that worrying about post-meal elevated triglycerides is probably shortening your life more than post-meal elevated triglycerides.

  • Lindsay

    1/8/2010 2:44:33 PM |

    so what does this mean?

  • Emily

    1/8/2010 4:31:21 PM |

    "It also remains true if you chronically consume fats."

    my understanding is that it is actually in support of normal metabolic functioning for us to "chronically" eat fat. low carb eating, in my lay-person's opinion, means therefore eating good fats (and i am of the un-pc standpoint that saturated animalfats are a-ok) , not just green veggies alone. low-car and low-fat would be no fun! but that's just my 2 cents.

  • ET

    1/8/2010 7:12:24 PM |

    I've had two non-fasting cholesterol tests performed in the last year.  My fasting triglycerides are around 40.  My triglycerides three hours after eating a meal with 10g carbs and 59g of fat were 91.  The time prior to that, they were 79 eight hours after breakfast and three hours after lunch (both were high-fat meals).

    Yeah, they go up, but not that much.

  • donny

    1/8/2010 7:37:28 PM |

    So what about the other side of the equation? Decreasing the absorption rate of fat (or spreading it out over more meals) might not help any. But if you can optimize the deposition of fat where it really belongs, in subcutaneous fat tissue-- that is, if fat is deposited in fat tissue where it belongs until needed, at a rate close to the rate at which new dietary fat is absorbed into the bloodstream-- then there shouldn't be a problem.
    Interventions that raise HDL generally increase adiponectin. Eating less wheat, beer, fructose, or adding in fish oil, niacin, vitamin d, even being born a woman. And they also associate with less wheat belly.

    http://www.springerlink.com/content/dpy09vbc0r8jxnm9/

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    Conclusion/interpretation. These data suggest that adiponectin concentrations are determined by intra-abdominal fat mass, with additional independent effects of age and sex. Adiponectin could link intra-abdominal fat with insulin resistance and an atherogenic lipoprotein profile.
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    Maybe they've got cause and effect reversed here? I read a study in mice that were leptin-deficient. Adding extra adiponectin made the mice fatter. So adiponectin is probably not so much a reaction to deposited fat as it is a promoter, maybe a facilitator of proper fat storage.

    ?

  • Anonymous

    1/8/2010 7:44:30 PM |

    Thanks, interesting post. Just wondering: what about proteins?

  • Finn

    1/8/2010 8:58:31 PM |

    So if I eat cheese slices with butter as snacks all day, my triglys will be chronically high and I can get heart problems?

    Does this mean that intermittent fasting is very important if you eat low carb/paleo style?

  • Johnny M

    1/8/2010 10:41:07 PM |

    Where Oh Where can I find a Doctor like Doctor Davis in the New Jersey area?

    My doc who is a cardiologist referred to by local medicenter when it was found out my Trigs were 235 and Total Cholesterol were 295, LDL 195, HDL 57, promptly put me on 5 mg Crestor to lower trigs and LDL, never discussed diet or anything with me. His office plastered with Pfizer Lipitor posters and Crestor bags given by pharma reps.

    Heres the kicker, this was all done with blood work that was NON-FASTING. I had blood drawn an hour after I had eaten eggs and bacon. This was also around halloween time too when I was over indulging on ALOT of Sub sandwiches and bread and lots and lots of candy. I love peanut butter cups. But I know 5 a day is excessive, which was my intake.  Was I getting a DOUBLE Whammy increasing my Trigs?

    Since I found this blog, I've been taking my Crestor which I don't want too. But have taken up the no wheat diet and HFC out of my diet that Dr Davis suggests. Dropped 18 pounds in a matter of weeks.

    Took my own cholesterol with one of those home machines after 4 weeks of Crestor. Doctor wants to test after 3 months. But my Total Cholesterol was 151, calculated LDL 87, HDL 50 and Trigs 69. I wonder how much was the Crestor doing the change or the change in my diet and 18 pound weight loss?

    Sorry for the rambling, but Dr. Davis your blog does give great info and brings peace of mind to me.

  • Bryce

    1/8/2010 11:34:10 PM |

    Anonymous,

    Absolutely not. Having elevated triglycerides immediately after a meal is not a dangerous thing. It's only when they are chronically elevated that you are in danger. Same thing with insulin. Chronically elevated levels are the problem.

    Both of these are caused by excessive sugar/carb consumption.

    -Bryce Lee

  • Anonymous

    1/9/2010 2:37:00 AM |

    Bookmarked this. Sometimes non-standard due to you after sharing. Positively value my time.

  • Dennis

    1/9/2010 4:34:05 PM |

    Dr. Davis: a friend of mine recently had triglycerides trending up to 700 and more. I pointed him to your blog, recommended low carbs and fish oil, and after *one month* his TGs are around 200.

    Kudos to you.

  • Scott W

    1/9/2010 5:51:41 PM |

    Interesting series of posts. But keep one thing in mind: Excess blood glucose is converted to palmitic acid by the liver...a saturated fat.

    (This fact alone should give the anti-saturated-fat crowd pause...if the body could have evolved to convert glucose to any type of fat, why did it evolve to produce a saturated fat? Can't be too bad for you...)

    Anyway, if the body through DNL produces a saturated/healthy fat after only a very brief (and normal) spike in blood glucose - after which the glucose returns to a normal fasting level - then high starch (not fructose) diet appears to be quite healthy. This would answer the question of why a rice-base culture can maintain good health while consuming a diet high in starches...in effect, they are eating a high saturated fat diet.

    If they don't eat continuously, allowing their bodies time to eliminate the excess blood glucose and the attendant insulin spike before the DNL triglycerides (palmitic acid) hits their blood stream, then there is no insulin-driven storage of the fats. Instead, they have elevated blood-borne fats that remain available for a consistent energy source of over time, of a type that their body prefers and has evolved to produce.

    Can you get the same effect from eating saturated fat in the first place? Yes. But to assume that this is better than the starch-driven approach you have to accept that higher levels of ANY saturated fat in the bloodstream is unhealthy. Which runs counter to the viewpoint of paleo and low-carb eaters.

    As Stephen has pointed out, there is no evidence that post-prandial glucose spikes are dangerous to someone with a healthy metabolism (i.e. not a type I or II diabetic). So, if there is no evidence of danger from a post-starch-meal spike, why would your body care where it got its saturated fat? Either dietary or liver-produced, it’s all the same once it is in your blood.

    Following the chain of reasoning further, a high-starch diet that leads to DNL production of palmitic acid would be healthier than a high fat diet composed of vegetable oil or other undesirable fats.

    We have to be very careful about quickly latching onto bits of "evidence" that confirm our biases. Remain scientific, think it through. The human body is an amazingly complex organism; when we begin to isolate its responses to prove our points, we can start down a path that leads to conclusions that may satisfy our dietary worldview, but are not entirely accurate.

    Scott W

    Note: If we are being carefully scientific in our approach, we should be careful to distinguish our descriptive terms for non-fat and non-protein calorie sources. "Carbohydrates" is too general. It encompasses fructose, which as a much different effect on the liver than glucose. My discussion above focuses on starches for a reason; they break down to glucose, which the body has evolved to handle efficiently, even in large quantities. It can handle fructose, too, but did not experience it in large quantities prior to modern times. Even using the term "sugar" is inaccurate, since it is half fructose and half glucose. By extension of my discussion above, eating pure glucose powder (dextrose) would be as healthy for a rice-based culture as eating white rice itself. You are simply giving the body the end product of rice digestion (glucose), from which it can produce palmitic acid.

  • Dr. William Davis

    1/9/2010 9:19:15 PM |

    There's no question that postprandial triglyceride-rich lipoproteins are causally related to atherosclerosis, regardless of whether they were fat-driven or carbohydrate-driven.

    However, these brief posts are NOT meant to endorse low-fat diets. They are meant to show that a simple low-fat vs. low-carb approach is too simple-minded. There are other aspects of diet that count for substantial effects. Postprandial phenomena are one important class of effects that cannot be fully controlled by just controlling carbohydrate or fat content of the diet.

  • Anonymous

    1/9/2010 9:47:39 PM |

    You still haven't explained why the chart in your previous post (Di Novo Lipo-what?), where normoinsulinemic people have lower DNL on a high-fat diet, is in marked contrast to the chart of Gretchen in the post before that (Gretchen's postprandial diet experiment II) when she was eating high-fat.  From those two posts, it seems that peoples' postprandial triglyceride level is dependent on the amount of insulin they produce (and obviously how sensitive they are to that insulin).  Therefore a high-fat diet is not problematic unless one is also hyperinsulinemic.

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