Why do the Japanese have less heart disease?

We should look to the Japanese to teach us a few lessons about preventing heart disease. A Japanese male has only 65% of the risk of an American male (despite 40% of Japanese men being smokers), while a Japanese woman has 80% less risk than an American woman. While the U.S. is near the top of the list of nations with highest cardiovascular risk, Japan is the lowest.

What are they doing right?

There is no one explanation, but several. Genetics probably does not play a substantial role, by the way, as demonstrated by observations of Japanese people who emigrate to Western cultures. People of Japanese heritage living in Hawaii, for instance, develop the same cardiovascular risk as non-Japanese living in Hawaii. They also develop obesity and diabetes.

Among the factors that likely contribute to reduced risk in Japanese people:

--A style of eating that does not include a lot of sweet foods. No breakfast cereal or donuts for breakfast, for instance, but miso soup with tofu, fish, green onions, and daikon (as takuan, or pickled radish).
--Seaweed--It's probably a combination of the green phytonutrients and iodine. Typical daily iodine intake is in the neighborhood of 5000 mcg per day from nori, kombu, wakame, and other seaweed forms. (The average American obtains 125 mcg per day of iodine from diet.)
--Seafood--Fish in many forms not seen in the U.S. are popular.
--Green tea--Consumption of green tea has been confidently linked to reduced cardiovascular risk, probably via visceral fat-reducing, anti-oxidative, and anti-inflammatory effects. Although tea in Japan is often the less flavonoid-rich oolong tea, softer benefits from this form are likely.
--Soy--Tofu, miso, and soy sauce are staples. It's not clear to me whether soy is intrinsically beneficial or whether it is beneficial because it serves to replace unhealthy alternatives. (Genetic modification may change this effect.)
--Reduced exposure to cooked animal products (except seafood). This is not a saturated fat issue, but probably an advanced glycation end-product/lipoxidation issue that result from cooking.
--The lack of a "eat more healthy whole grain" mentality, the advice that has plunged the entire U.S. into the depths of a diabetes and obesity crisis (along with high-fructose corn syrup and sugar). Noodles like udon and ramen do have a place in their diet, as do some dessert foods. But the overall wheat exposure is less--no bagels, sandwiches, and breakfast cereals.
--Less overweight and obesity--The above eating style leads to less weight gain.

Japanese foods have a unique taste, consistency, and mouth-feel that go well with saltiness, thus the downside of their diet: salt consumption. On a broad scale, high salt consumption has been associated with hypertension and gastric cancer. But the tradeoff has, on the whole, been a favorable one.


One study trying to find some answers:

Dietary patterns and cardiovascular disease mortality in Japan: a prospective cohort study.

Shimazu T, Kuriyama S, Hozawa A et al.
Division of Epidemiology, Department of Public Health and Forensic Medicine, Tohoku University Graduate School of Medicine, Japan.


We prospectively assessed the association between dietary patterns among the Japanese and CVD mortality. Dietary information was collected from 40 547 Japanese men and women aged 40-79 years without a history of diabetes, stroke, myocardial infarction or cancer at the baseline in 1994.
During 7 years of follow-up, 801 participants died of CVD.

Factor analysis (principal component) based on a validated food frequency questionnaire identified three dietary patterns: (i) a Japanese dietary pattern highly correlated with soybean products, fish, seaweeds, vegetables, fruits and green tea, (ii) an 'animal food' dietary pattern and (iii) a high-dairy, high-fruit-and-vegetable, low-alcohol (DFA) dietary pattern. The Japanese dietary pattern was related to high sodium intake and high prevalence of hypertension. After adjustment for potential confounders, the Japanese dietary pattern score was associated with a lower risk of CVD mortality (hazard ratio of the highest quartile vs the lowest, 0.73; 95% confidence interval: 0.59-0.90; P for trend = 0.003). The 'animal food' dietary pattern was associated with an increased risk of CVD, but the DFA dietary pattern was not.

The Japanese dietary pattern was associated with a decreased risk of CVD mortality, despite its relation to sodium intake and hypertension.

Comments (49) -

  • Anonymous

    4/24/2011 3:50:12 PM |

    they also drink alcohol daily

  • Anonymous

    4/24/2011 5:36:40 PM |

    I wouldn't entirely dismiss genetic factors to.

    I believe the Japanese apo e profile may be better than caucasian (on average) --

    A racial difference in apolipoprotein E allele frequencies between the Japanese and Caucasian populations

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1399-0004.1986.tb01901.x/abstract

    A bad Western diet may trump this genetic profile, hence why those who leave Japan/eat poorly still get heart disease.

    But there could be some genetics in play too.

  • Anonymous

    4/24/2011 6:04:33 PM |

    Bear in mind that the soy they consume is typically fermented, including natto, which is extremely high in vitamin K2 - MK7.

  • Anonymous

    4/24/2011 7:37:04 PM |

    I just returned to the US after having spent the last 10 years there.  Some observations:

    (1) While it is true that consumption of breakfast cereal or donuts for breakfast is exceedingly rare, virtually nobody under the age of 70 eats miso soup with tofu, fish, green onions, etc. for breakfast.  The typically breakfast for younger people nowadays is a fried egg, white toast, and coffee.  And lunch and dinner often includes white rice and/or wheat noodles.

    (2) Contrary to what the first anonymous said, the typical Japanese does NOT drink alcohol everyday.

    (3) Contrary to what the third anonymous said, most soy is consumed in the form of tofu, and only a relatively small percentage of Japanese eat natto on a regular basis.

    (4) The amount of refined wheat products consumed by the average Japanese is large and growing.  For example, you will see a huge number of bread, cake, pastry, etc. shops in virtually every neighborhood in Japan nowadays.  Take a stroll down a supermarket aisle in Japan and you will see large amounts of goods made from refined wheat products (bread, cookies, etc).

    (5) US fast food chains are ubiquitous and always packed with young people.

    Based on the eating habits among young people I've observed there, my guess is that we'll be seeing an increase in heart disease to rival that of the US.

  • majkinetor

    4/24/2011 8:02:53 PM |

    If Japanese consume K2 a lot, this might be big part of the solution to this enigma (since natto is the best source of K2 in the world). Calcification of soft tissues is one of the major CV problems and eliminating it from equation changes the scene.

    I wonder what is the reference for "less sugary foods" claim.

    It was the main issue in Alan Aragon's bashing of "Sugar: The bitter truth" video by Lustig. While I think that Alans review is junk, it has some interesting points, among others, the suspicious claim that Japanese people don't consume suggary food.

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    4/24/2011 8:39:56 PM |

    Japan Public Health Center 1990 dietary highlights for 40,000 men and women +/- 48 - 50 years old. All were without cardio vascular disease and had BMI of +/- 23.5.

    The women:
    calories/d = 1,227-1,491
    rice gr/d  = 164-182
    fish gr/d  = 31-54
    % miso 3x/d= 18-33% did

    The men:
    calories/d = 1,910-2,344
    rice gr/d  = 294-336
    fish gr/d  = 38-66
    % miso 3x/d= 23-46% did

    Nationwide for Japan in 1990 3% of adults had a BMI of 30 or more (obese); and at that time, 20% of women plus 24% of men had a BMI of 25-29 (overweight).

    Compared to 1960 statistics by 1994 there were 4 times the number of overweight adults; and the increase in overweight adults was higher among the rural population.
    A Japan National Survey (exact year not in my notes) stated the average adult protein intake was +/- 60 grams of protein per day; with 1/2 of that protein coming from rice.

  • Gretchen

    4/24/2011 9:32:43 PM |

    1. Re salt. I read an article recently showing that in people with diabetes, the higher the salt intake, the lower the overall mortality. This is only one study and might be a fluke, but it's interesting.

    2. Re sugar. This is annecdotal. Many moons ago, in early 1960s when I was in college, I lived in a Coop dorm where we did all the cooking. One night a friend and I were trying to make a casserole that ended up bland, so we kept adding things to improve the taste. It got worse and worse, and there was no time to start over again.

    Finally, when the rest of the dorm was nagging us to get the food on the table, we threw in a can of pineapple.

    A student then said to us, "I hope dinner is extra good tonight, because I have a friend from Japan visiting, and I want to impress her." We were very embarrassed.

    Afterward the Japanese woman came up and asked if we'd cooked the meal. We had to say yes. She said, "Oh thank you so much! This is the first food I've had in America that was sweet enough."

    Now, maybe she was unusual. Maybe her family was adopting American tastes. But it's made me question comments about Japanese not eating sugar.

    I suspect the key may be the amount of food consumed in meals. Those beautifully displayed boxes of food don't actually contain a lot. Maybe they like sweet things but don't eat a lot of them.

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    4/24/2011 9:33:59 PM |

    Natto is said to be more popular in the east of Japan, like Tokyo; and less popular in Osaka & Kobe regions. Here's the average natto consumption for select decades I have:

    1960 =  0.45 kg/yr/person
    1970 =  1.1 kg/yr/person
    1980 =  1.3 kg/yr/person

    Natto generally is sold in +/- 40 gram unit packets; so 365 days in a year x 40 gr. natto = 1.46 kg/yr/person , which would be the contemporary natto eaters intake. One gram of Natto +/- =  0.17 gr. protein + 0.14 gr. carbohydrate + 0.108 gr. total fat (0.016 gr. saturated fat) + 10 mcg. Mk-7 + 0.84 mcg. Mk-8 + 0.0072 gr. nattokinase +  0.55 gr. water.

    By mid 2000s there were Japanese newspaper reports that the natto consumption was trending downward.
    Apparently, the natto industry response was to make hybrid natto food products to attract the younger Japanese market.

  • Kurt

    4/24/2011 10:33:38 PM |

    I agree with Anonymous. Japanese people have begun eating lots of puffy white bread/pastries. It will take some time for this to be reflected in the heart disease stats.

  • Anonymous

    4/24/2011 11:39:33 PM |

    I've lived in Japan for the past three years in southern Osaka. The claim that Japanese people (below, say the age of 60 or so) don't eat many sweet things is patently false.

    There, I think, has been a huge shift in diet trends over the past generation or two, with the older generation still eating mostly as the article suggests, and the younger generations eating progressively more and more like westerners.

    Most people I talk to consider fluffy white sweet bread (lots of sweetener in the dough itself) topped with extra sweet jam or jelly with some orange juice or heavily sweetened coffee breakfast.

    Even some slightly more traditional dishes like sukiyaki are cloyingly sweet as prepared by most people, or if made from packaged mixes (fewer people can / are interested in cooking, especially from scratch, nowadays).

    Another example that comes to mind is Kimchi. That Korean stuff is a tangy, spicy, fermented delight, white most of it found in Japanese supermarkets is filled with sugar -- sometimes even as the second or third ingredient after hakusai!

    It's true, however, that the "heart healthy whole grains" message is largely absent here, and that there is really no fear of fatty meat (yakiniku!).

    Regardless, the article flies in the face of what contemporary Japan actually eats; the article sounds more like a stereotype of what people ate just before or just after WW2.

    Besides, the Okinawans have (or rather had) the longest life expectancy of all, and they practically revered pork fat! Pork, fish, sea vegetables, tubers, and veggies, is what their traditional diet is purported to be.

    (end ramble)

  • Dr. William Davis

    4/25/2011 12:23:38 AM |

    Several commenters make the crucial point that the Japanese diet is changing. I agree: Western influence, from Dunkin Donuts to McDonalds, has infiltrated their culture. I expect that we will see the cardiovascular advantage of the Japanese erode over the coming decades. But the point remains: At least at one time, they followed a diet that likely provided at least part of the reason for their reduced risk for heart disease.

    I am Japanese and, when we were kids, we lived on tofu, taukuan, rice, omeboshi, natto, and all the other foods from Japan that we could get from shops in New York. We did eat rice cakes containing sweet beans, but sweet was simply, at least in that period, not a prominent part of the diet. Salt was, however.

  • Anonymous

    4/25/2011 12:50:15 AM |

    I would be interested to know what this dietary pattern consisted of since it was also associated with an increase in CVD:  "The 'animal food' dietary pattern was associated with an increased risk of CVD"

    Stephanie A.

  • Chooky F.

    4/25/2011 12:55:32 AM |

    I have heard that they have a much higher incidence of stroke.  I'm not sure if this is true or not but I have seen data suggesting it is 5X as likely in Japan as it is in the U.S.  I have also heard that dying from heart disease is considered less honorable than dying from stroke.  There is some speculation that the Japanese diagnose death due to stroke at higher rates.  The two can be difficult to diagnose correctly.  Stroke and heart disease are the same problem.  I think their diet in general is less stroke/heart prone than the US but their arteries may not be as unclogged as the heart disease numbers suggest.

  • Boo

    4/25/2011 1:08:31 AM |

    I'm another long-time Japanese resident. While taking care of my wife in the hospital here, I noticed what seemed like an epidemic of diabetes. So even without massive obesity, and without the same level of heart disease, the modern Japanese diet (toast for breakfast, lots of white rice) is having its effects.

  • Adam Michael

    4/25/2011 1:38:30 AM |

    Once again, I really believe it comes down to eating as many whole foods as possible while reducing the amount of processed products.  This article on the Japanese lifestyle coincides with my conviction.

    We do not necessarily have to adopt the exact regimens they follow, but understand that the closer we align ourselves with whole, natural foods, the closer we will be to improving health.

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    4/25/2011 1:46:45 AM |

    "It's the small things in life"; seems worth noting, since we in the west overlook what we don't have a frame of reference for. A Japanese meal is traditionally accompanied by things we don't think much of.

    Old style pickles ("Nukazuke") were food items embeded (buried) in a rice bran medium; the "bed" innoculated the pickles with micro-organisms. It could be interpreted to be a pro-biotic dietary practise. (I have an easy rice bran pickle recipe if anyone wants.)

    Miso's many substrates, and some pickles (ex: eggplant; recipe on request) are made by embedding the substrate in Koji. Koji is usually rice innoculated with a fungus strain of Aspergillus oryzae.

    Soybean miso is the most commonly known miso,in one form or another, in the west; people attribute it's benefit to what they know (the soy). Actually the koji is what lowers the per-oxidation of linoleic acid; and it is the koji fraction that provides the beneficial scavenger activity against our cell oxidants.

    Koji in miso is infused with the fungal (A. oryzae's) tri-acyl-glycerol lipase gene and gluco-amylase pro-chymosin gene. It can make some of the miso substrate's medium chain fatty acids into a form we can absorb (ie: esterified); with  attendant anti-oxidant properties.

    Oh, and those lectins in grains and beans people seem to disparage these day? Well fungi, like A. oryzae, have enzymes to break lectins down; so koji fermented foods enhance mineral bio-availability.

    For east coast USA Koji and Natto contact "Katagiri" Japanes Grocery in N.Y.C. (on an east 70+ street, near Bloomingdales). For west coast USA bulk (35 lbs. box or six 1 lb. tubs box) white rice Koji contact producer  "Miyako" Oriental Foods in Baldwin Park (near L.A.). For Japanese cultures to make your own contact "G.E.M." Cultures, now in Wash. state. I have no financial interest in any venture; gotta go check on today's natto batch....

  • Anonymous

    4/25/2011 4:06:51 AM |

    Why is more Iodine helpfull?

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    4/25/2011 4:27:18 AM |

    edit needed for my last comment above, see the 6th paragraph (next to last)....
    Replace the word "lectin" with "phytates" ; and then the enzyme which fungi have are going to be a "phytase", the type of enzyme with ability to break down "phytates".

  • LifeCoachAndy

    4/25/2011 6:41:00 AM |

    Rice consumption cited in one comment above clearly indicate that rice consumption has inverse association to increasing cvd. It again sugggest that increased consumption of other foods such as more animal foods, more fat, junk, McDOnalds, sugar etc, which probably replaced rice therefore increasing incidence of CVD.

  • rhc

    4/25/2011 12:47:27 PM |

    @ Might-o...where can I get instructions. Do they come with the order? Or are you offering some here? I'd love to make some. Great post...again.

  • Fuel Rest Motion.

    4/25/2011 12:59:35 PM |

    I have been here 10 plus years and even in that time I have seen a  visible increase  in the number of overweight and the recent  "Metabo"  metabolic syndrome craze.

    Go to any supermarket: it's aisle of processed grains, snacks, cookies and cakes for miles.
    Go to any convenience store and see one whole aisles of "Snack pun" - snack bread. This stuff is hideous. 400-600 calories of bleached white bread,  margarine and sugar rich fillings. Its essentially mostly sugar and this  kind of thing is replacing the fish and  miso breakfast. A staggering  large percentage of teens and young adults consider this a decent  breakfast or lunch.
    As a teacher I frequently see  students buying two snack puns at the cafeteria  and that's their lunch.  1000  calories of basically sugar.
    Instant Noodles are hugely popular and not helping either.
    This current generation is going to  seriously dent  the  precedent of statistics their grandparents and great grandparents.

    As for the good stuff, yes still more fish consumed on the whole than  elsewhere but huge amounts of grain fed overproceesed meats.
    Seaweed- yes still about and definitely  beneficial and the ubiquitous onigiri is still popular, though  at the convenience store  the snack breads seem to rule in terms of selection these days.
    An for grains have you seen the standard food pyramid in Japan? or the spinning top as it's called.
    Very grain heavy.

    http://www.mhlw.go.jp/bunya/kenkou/pdf/eiyou-syokuji5.pdf

    More walking - much much more walking in Japan compared to the  USA has more to do with it I suspect!

  • Peter

    4/25/2011 1:19:54 PM |

    The Japanese used to eat a lot less than us. I bet eating 2700 calories a day average of any diet ups your cvd risk.

  • Anonymous

    4/25/2011 1:56:48 PM |

    What about chlorine in the Japanese water supply - do they use as much chlorine as we do in the US?

  • Fuel Rest Motion.

    4/25/2011 2:20:31 PM |

    chlorine? A heavily industrialized nation like Japan? you better believe it! but it  does vary to place to  place.
    Some cities  it's like the water is coming straight out of a swimming pool.
    The tap water is ok to drink after some basic filtration.

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    4/25/2011 3:56:23 PM |

    Hi rhc,
    I am not selling anything; the sources for specialty items are all places I have bought from. If you can't track them down online then I'll get you contact details; assuming Doctor Davis doesn't object.

    To make your own Natto it is really easy. Koji making involves more steps, but there are a lot of different things you can do with it.

    Rice bran pickles are the simplest of all to crank out daily, once your rice bran "bed" builds up it's microbial flora. The rice bran "bed" needs to be stirred (ideally)daily to keep funky microbes from taking over; but if you put some (say)veggies in the rice bran bed you can hand stir it then and enjoy those "pickles" later the same day. Sacks of rice bran are sold in many Japanese groceries (like Katagiri) and I've used "Bob's Red Mill" brand rice bran (health food store/mail order).

    G.E.M. Cultures is now run by Gorden E. McBride's daughter up in Washington state. They mail order the pure Japanese Natto spores I've used for years and send instructions a novice can follow. (I have some incubating now at +/- 105* Farenheit in a covered dish set up over a scrapped food dehydrator's heat coil base.)

    G.E.M. also provides the culture for making Koji; they actually have several Koji strains, depending on what end product you want to make - instructions always are included. To make white rice  Koji from scratch you want to be able to get "sticky" white rice (ex: "Hakubai" or "Wel-Pac" Sweet Rice, from JFC International) and steam cook it.

    G.E.M. also sells the already innoculated Koji and a little bit doesn't really go very far except for experimenting. Miyako Oriental Foods is a modern Koji "factory"; they sell rice Koji (and Miso) to places like Katagiri in individual tubs under the label "Cold Mountain". Koji has a very long shelf life (dry stored, no direct heat), so refrigeration is not absolutely essential.

  • Anonymous

    4/25/2011 5:54:03 PM |

    For those who have lived in Japan, do the Japanese do any formal exercise? walk a lot?

  • steve

    4/25/2011 6:27:14 PM |

    It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on French diet as they too have a much lower incidence of heart diseas( not as low as Japanese), but their diet is western oriented.  My guess would be lack of sugar, junk food, and minimum Omega 6 intake.  They do eat wheat, but not in quantities similar to those in U.S.

  • rhc

    4/25/2011 6:56:12 PM |

    @ might-o... Thanks so much for the additional info. I've printed it all out and will start investigating the sources and processes.

  • Anonymous

    4/25/2011 10:51:33 PM |

    @ Steve:

    http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/11/observations-from-france.html

    http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/05/does-red-wine-protect-cardiovascular.html

    http://www.vinopic.com/index.php/roger-corder/roger-corder-intrinsic-quotient#red-wine-quality

    Cheers!

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    4/26/2011 1:14:02 AM |

    The body's internal ratio of Magnesium (Mg) to Calcium  (Ca) in East Asia and the USA
    typically differ; with African Americans having even lower Mg % than their caucasian countrymen. Specificly the East Asians statisticly have/had more Mg relative to Ca; and conversely Americans had less Mg relative to Ca in their bodies.

    The Japanese living outside of Japan (or those eating more like the west inside) Japan could be having less Mg %; this could explain several things. Low Mg is implicated in inflammation, insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome & Type II diabetes; 2000 data for U.S.A. showed 79% were below MDR Mg.

    In other words the American diet supplying much more Ca in relation to more sparse Mg creates a ratio, that in the body is involved in the dynamic of pathological development. Ca is not "bad" in itself, but in the context of too little Mg the inflammatory underpinning of many diseases wrecks havoc (ex: coronary heart disease, insulin resistance, Type II diabetes, etc.).

    Ca has systemic roles in signalling for various cell cycles. Mg plays a role in (among other things) DNA repair and lowering insulin levels. Special gut ion uptake channels  with the gene TRPM 7 (transient receptor potential melastatin) regulate Mg.++ balance; shear volume of Ca++ can interfere with that ion channel taking up the Mg (Ca & Mg ion charges tend to compete).

    One researcher thinks the really low Mg to strong Ca ratio explains the African American susceptibility to more coronary events. Maybe this Mg:Ca ratio explains some (not all) of the  data showing Japan has/had less heart disease; and also a big factor why Japanese in the west are/were relatively more prone to heart disease.

  • Dr. William Davis

    4/26/2011 1:16:50 AM |

    Might--

    Fascinating detail on the organisms used to ferment!

    I'm also quite impressed that you can actually eat natto. Even though I was exposed to it by my Mom as a kid, I still can't stomach the stuff.

  • Sue Ek

    4/26/2011 3:08:19 AM |

    The Birth Control Pill only recently became legal in Japan. To me it points to the sudden increase in heart disease among Japanese women.
    ~ Sue Ek, BOMA-USA

  • Bob

    4/26/2011 3:36:21 AM |

    Physical activity is more fundamental than diet.

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    4/26/2011 3:44:07 PM |

    East Asia = 1 Magnesium  per 1.6 Calcium
    U.S.A.    = 1 Mg. per 2.8 Ca
    Of course, those are statistical generalizations of vast regions of people. One researcher speculates the "American Heart Healthy" diet benefit, of eating more whole grains, might be due to their extra Mg.

    Meta-analysis of adult women taking Ca supplements may provide another clue. For every 1,000 women taking Ca supplements over 5 years time there were 6 extra heart problems (strokes and infarctions); while for the same scenario (1,000 over 5 years) the Ca supplementing only prevented 3 fractures.

    That analysis went on to speculate it is not the exact dose of Ca that mattered; since the risk factor went up whether taking less than 500 mg. Ca or 1,000 mg. Ca. daily. The theory proposed was that it was the 5 years of abrupt blood Ca loading that created the risk.

    Data was that (with Ca pill) the risk of myocardial infarction
    rose 25 - 30 % and the stroke risk rose 15 - 20 %; with obese women having less fatal events than their non-obese counterparts (more tissue mass to stash the Ca load ?). If wondering, the addition of vitamin D to the Ca supplement seemed not to be a factor in mitigating or increasing the risk.

    If the Ca supplement implications
    (women only studied) are suggestive and we add to the body equation a poor base line Mg ratio to Ca maybe this explains some of the historical pattern of heart disease. America went in big for non-whole grain food and favored dairy (ie: Ca)in the post-wars 1900s; Japan during that same epoch wasn't big on milk and had (in theory?) better Mg. intake ratio.

  • Renfrew

    4/26/2011 8:11:38 PM |

    Interesting how many readers have lived in Japan. My wife is Japanese, so I have some first hand experience, besides living there for a ferw years.

    Not mentioned so far is the close and cohesive social network that most Japanese enjoy. While in Okinawa I saw lots of old people gathering daily, doing things together, playing games, ball, eating together and generally share the news and gossip. This kind of social web is heart-protecting. We know from studies that loneliness and hostility is detrimental to cardiac health. Possible physiological mechanism: Stress hormone Cortisol would go down, Oxytocin would go up.
    Another factor: "Hara hachibu", this means literally "Stomach 80%".
    It refers to the habit of filling your stomach only 80% and not 100%. Thus eating less and therefore practicing a mild form of caloric restriction, which we know, is clearly life extending.  
    In all, I think it is a mix of everything mentioned here and each part is contributing.
    Renfrew

  • Marc

    4/27/2011 2:27:56 PM |

    Might-

    I couldn't agree with you more about the calcium/magnesium link to heart problems.  I've thought that for years after doing a minor study of magnesium related issues.  In fact the clear implications of magnesium deficiency is astonishing. When you consider the large number of processes that it is responsible for and the lack of it in the American diet it becomes increasing obvious that it has a very important part to play in all of this.

    Marc

  • Anonymous

    4/27/2011 4:37:17 PM |

    My sister lives in Japan, and she sent my kids some Japanese Chocolates for Christmas. The Japanese Chocolate was not nearly as sweet as American Chocolate. I think Americans have a problem with moderation. We want to much of a 'good' thing. The sugar in Japanese chocolate is just a small example, but could be an indicator that there are small differences in everything they do that add up to make a difference. Smile

  • Diana

    4/27/2011 8:49:28 PM |

    Dr. Davis,

    I note that in your post you OMIT the fact that the staple food of the Japanese is rice, and that carbs traditionally comprise 80% of the Japanese diet.

    Stop lying to and misleading people about carbs and weight gain.

    You and I are on the same side about sugar and refined junk carbs.

    OK?

  • Kevan

    4/28/2011 5:55:11 PM |

    Diana, I note that in your post you OMIT any links or proof that the Japanese eat an 80% carb diet. If you are going to make statements and claim them as "fact", you need to prove them. Otherwise, it's just your opinion.

  • Peter

    5/7/2011 6:33:47 PM |

    If I eat much rice my blood sugar goes way up.  Did that happen to Japanese on the traditional diet?

  • sally

    5/14/2011 7:44:20 PM |

    The Japanese eat seaweed.

  • Tom

    5/15/2011 11:15:50 PM |

    It can't even be said with 100% certainty that the high amont of salt they may consume is bad.

  • Laura

    5/17/2011 2:12:57 PM |

    Very interesting point! Yes, he did not mention rice, but the other components are all very good for you. Great posting, Dr.

  • Gabby

    7/10/2011 10:49:40 AM |

    Gosh, I wish I would have had that infrmoation earlier!

  • King

    7/10/2011 11:07:37 AM |

    And I was just wnodeirng about that too!

  • Frenchie

    7/10/2011 10:01:51 PM |

    IJWTS wow! Why can't I think of thgins like that?

  • Fanni

    7/11/2011 1:59:42 PM |

    To think, I was confused a mtinue ago.

  • J Diz

    2/28/2012 3:32:55 PM |

    In visiting France (Cannes and Paris), I noticed that there is a focus on fresh (whole) foods everywhere, and I mean EVERYWHERE.  Only in highly populated urban areas did I see availability of processed snacks and junk food.  Fresh vegetables and free-range meats were what i found.  Most importantly, the portion sizes were small (similar to Japanese).  Though they did eat numerous times through the day, portions were small.  Sweets are big in France, but no one ever over-indulges.  They take the time to savor and enjoy their sweets from a patisserie or cafe.  It''s their food culture from the ground up that has led to their long lives and, quite frankly, very attractive frames.

  • Patricia Arland

    6/16/2012 10:27:37 AM |

    I am a bit confused by the mention of soy sauce......Kikkoman ingredients read, "Water, WHEAT .........."  thought the idea was to stay away from wheat

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Look like Jimmy Stewart

Look like Jimmy Stewart


"This diet works great," Don declared. "But I think I've lost too much weight."

At 67 years old and 5 ft. 11 inches, Don began the program weighing 228 lbs (BMI 31.9). Because of high triglycerides, high blood sugar, high c-reactive protein, and excessive small LDL, I instructed Don to eliminate all wheat products from his diet, along with cornstarch and sweets. His intake of lean meats, eggs, vegetables, oils, raw nuts, etc. was unlimited.

Don now weighed 194 lbs, down 34 lbs over 6 months (BMI 27.1). Triglycerides, blood sugar, blood pressure, and well-being had improved dramatically; small LDL, however, had dropped only 30%--still room for improvement.

"My friends say I'm too skinny. They ask if I have cancer!"

I've heard this many times: Someone loses weight in a relatively short period of time and friends and family tell you you're too skinny. "It must be cancer. Nobody loses weight like that."

Unfortunately, many Americans have forgotten what normal looks like. Normal is certainly not a 190-lb, 5 ft 4 in woman, nor is it a 228 lb, 5 ft 11 inch man. But Americans have put on so much weight that the prevailing view of what constitutes "normal" weight has been revised upward. Normal is closer to what we see in old movies from the 1940s and '50s with people like Jimmy Stewart and Donna Reed. That's what we are supposed to look like.

So Don actually remains mildly overweight but is judged as "too skinny," or even cancer-ridden, by friends and family.

Ignore such comments. As you lose pounds and approach a truly desirable weight, realize that you are returning to the normal state, not the vision of "normal" now held by most Americans.

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  • AllenS

    1/15/2010 8:40:24 PM |

    This is funny because as a 5'11" male I'm 165lbs and considered by some to be "emaciated" even though I have 10% body fat and quite a bit of muscle. I remember 45 years ago as a kid when my 6' tall father weighed 170lbs. Nobody ever called him skinny because he pretty much looked like all of his friends. He was considered normal at that time. I remember his weight at that time because he often boasted about it seeing as how he only weighed 125 lbs when he was drafted into the Navy.

    We have indeed forgotten what normal looks like.

  • Sarah

    1/15/2010 9:07:45 PM |

    I think you're onto something with this 'standards' business. I'm down to 171 pounds (nearly 70 pounds!) since going on my diet. It hasn't been a FAST loss, but people who haven't seen me in a while are surprised and remark that I look like a 'stick'.

    Since when did 171 fall into the 'stick' range for a 5'4" woman? Maybe >30 BMI is thin for Kentucky.

    Note: I love Jimmy Stewart!

  • Jeanie Campbell

    1/15/2010 10:32:44 PM |

    Excellent post!  My question, then, is, where do we find a reliable place to find out what our desirable weight IS?  I'm not sure I trust the ones I have found on-line.  Can you recommend one?  Especially for folks over 50.  Thanks!

  • whatsonthemenu

    1/15/2010 11:44:56 PM |

    "Unfortunately, many Americans have forgotten what normal looks like. Normal is certainly not a 190-lb, 5 ft 4 in woman, nor is it a 228 lb, 5 ft 11 inch man."

    So true.  Walking through the airport terminal on a visit from Asia immediately oriented me back to the US with the long chain of fast food franchises and big, waddling passengers.  A trip to Walmart to see morbidly obese people in motorized carts is a tourist attraction for Asians.  They can't believe it until they see it.

  • jnkdaniel@hotmail.com

    1/16/2010 1:16:58 AM |

    Yes, this blog is definitely detrimental to my fat.

    For five months, I've swam, taken fish oil, cut out juice and bread from my fridge.  As a result I've lost 16 pounds, 12 beats per minute, and 3 off my blood pressure.

    I'm currently 29m 6'2 and at 184 lb, 48 bpm resting, and at 125 for blood pressure.

    It is truly scary to see how easy it is to lose weight once you know how bad certain foods are.  It is borderline addicting!

    I'm curious to see if I will hit an equilibrium or I will have to do something to stop the weight loss once I reach 175-180.

  • Anonymous

    1/16/2010 2:01:02 AM |

    This is so true, many of my friends think I'm extremely skinny, yet I'm at my optimal weight. My mom refuses to lose more weight,she says "people will say that I look old and sick"

  • Anonymous

    1/16/2010 6:26:42 AM |

    You hit the nail on the head. I too, as a 50-something year old male, was about 220 at 5'10" last year this time, and as I approached 185 mid-year, several folks asked, "Are you all right?" and "Did you intend to lose the weight?" Yet I still am not at an ideal weight for my height, and although I look slim in comparison, I still have abdominal fat that needs to go. I've also had people tell me, "You look too thin," and "Don't lose any more weight." We must recapture a sense of normal. However, during a recent visit to a Glen Ivy Spa in So. Cal. my wife and I marveled at how many grossly obese people there were sauntering around in swimsuits. We've definitely got a problem here. For me, I'd rather look like Jimmie Stewart or Jack Lalane or Art Devany, and I don't care what anyone else thinks about it!

  • pmpctek

    1/16/2010 7:20:44 AM |

    I had a friend say to me once, "you lost a lot of weight, are you sick 'r something?"

    I'm a 5' 9" 49 y.o. North American male and went from 192 lbs. to 168 lbs. in nine months.  This was a couple years ago. I lost most of it off my mid-section and face.  I have the incredible shrinking waist (now 30 inches.)

    I did this by simply eliminating grains, starches, and sugars.  I actually had to slightly increase my daily calorie intake (than when I weighed 192) because I too was concerned I might have been losing too much weight.

    When I share with family and friends why I look so lean, that it's from permanent grain, starch and sugar abstention, they always respond with "oh no, I can't do that"  or "how can you do that?"

  • Kurt

    1/16/2010 1:36:58 PM |

    This is reassuring. I've been worrying because, since I started a heart healthy diet, I've gone from 183 lbs to 167 lbs, which is less than I weighed when I was 18 years old (170).

  • Dr. William Davis

    1/16/2010 3:00:21 PM |

    Hi, Jeannie--

    There are a number of ways to determine ideal weight. BMI, though an imperfect concept, is a good starting place. Here's a BMI calculator: http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

    This gives me an idea for a future post: "What is ideal weight?"

  • Aaron Blaisdell

    1/16/2010 4:20:20 PM |

    I won't even tell you what my Chinese in-laws think. Two English words my Chinese-speaking mother-in-law knows are "eat more." I always fend her of with with the retort "Che bao la."

  • Eclecbit

    1/16/2010 6:07:27 PM |

    There's also the problem of finding clothes that fit. I'm a 5'11" male and weigh 152lbs. I've got a 32" waist, but when I try on 32" waist pants they fall off of me because they're really 34" (I believe this is called vanity sizing), so I look for the 30" waist pants and guess what? There are none!

    Maybe it's because I live in the South, but 30" waist pants are pretty much non-existent, and the ones that I do find are always too short.

    My wife used to think I was too skinny, but then she remembered all her Oriental friends back in California who are as skinny as I am. For them it's considered normal.

  • Steve L.

    1/16/2010 6:26:22 PM |

    I say revel in it!  I knew from past temporary weight loss that people would start to notice after I lost 30 pounds or so.  Since I needed to lose 70 to get to ideal weight, I also knew that those comments were nothing but signs of sucess.  We truly have adapted to a new normal in our perceptions.  The shock value does diminish over time though.  Now three years out from adopting a healthy diet (currently 6'3", 190 lbs.), I got all the comments along the way, but now people have adjusted to my new look (as have I).  Once in a while though, I see someone, usually business-related, that I haven't seen for a few years, and they're shocked.  I just enjoy it, and try to recruit them over from the dark side.

    The thing that I find interesting now is that, while I was losing people were interesting in why I was losing, and several adopted the low-carb/paleo approach with great success.  But now that I have reached an ideal weight, the memory of the previous me fades, and few see me as a potential source of healthy diet information.  I think some actually think I must be a bit of a freak for having done so well, and so there's nothing useful to be learned from me by non-freaks.

  • Anne

    1/16/2010 9:36:40 PM |

    I am another who lost weight when I dropped all grains and sugars and greatly limited high carb veges and fruits. The weight just melted away. I did not need to lose much and when I hit 20 lbs, the weight loss stopped. I have been at 120-125 for many months now. I am 5' 4". I never feel hungry eating the higher fat diet. Honestly, sometimes I do miss the junky food but not enough to eat it and jeopardize my health.

  • Nick

    1/17/2010 3:38:15 AM |

    I wonder if anyone has information on cornstarch and why it places right next to wheat as a 'food' to avoid?  I have seen a great deal of convincing argument with regard to wheat, but almost none with regard to cornstarch (other than for those who may need to closely watch blood glucose levels).  

    If anyone can lead me to more information on how it affects our organism, I would great appreciate it.

  • steve

    1/17/2010 4:21:28 PM |

    Dr. Davis.  If you do a post on ideal weight, it might be helpful to include a discussion of muscle mass.  Many athletes are heavier than those of comparable ages in the general population, but have body fat levels that are extremely low.  There is a trade-off with weight loss and muscle loss, and I suppose a happy equilibrium at some leve.  Perhaps body fat level is a better gauge than absolute weight level, but hard to accuratley measure.  Thanks,

  • Claire

    1/18/2010 6:40:22 AM |

    I read an newspaper article about how parents in the UK didn't realise their children were obese. Yes, that's obese - not just overweight.

    We have lost sight of what it is to be of normal weight. I catch myself looking at people's sizes in old movies to remind myself of what "normal" should be.

  • AllenS

    1/18/2010 5:43:56 PM |

    I really don't like the BMI indicator. First, there is no differentiation between males and females or body type. Fit males who have any kind of muscle tone or who may be big-boned will invariably have a BMI greater than 25. I'm very close even though I'm only 10% body fat.

    Instead, I think that a better measure is to ignore weight altogether and get your % body fat computed. Ideally it should be 14-17% for males and 21-24% for females.

    I too have difficulty finding pants that fit. I wear a 30" waist. Its tough to find anything smaller than a 38"-40" waist which is pretty sad.

  • Anonymous

    1/18/2010 11:57:30 PM |

    Based on the posts here on HeartScan and my brothers insistence Atkin's was his preferred effective weight control solution, I started eating meat again after 10 years of being a pescatarian. I put on 12 lbs in 3 months.  OK, I am not too keen on eating slabs of meat and may have gone overboard with sausage meat / chicken wings but I hope my next blood test will show an increase in HDL as a result of the added fat and lower wheat/grains

    BTW. I stopped my 20mgs crestor and got a base line several months back (too scary !). I have taken 20mgs and 40mgs crestor with the latter leading to some muscle pain but perfect LDL (60). HDL only went up with Niacin (31 to 45 )

    What I want is no more than 20mgs crestor (which gives me LDL circa 75 and I can tolerate well) and to elevate my HDL to 60 without having to eat raw cow.

    This site is a great resource. I would like to see Dr D square off against the celeb TV Dr Oz who pushes high grain diets and low saturated fat.
    Trev

  • Apolloswabbie

    1/30/2010 10:03:43 PM |

    I think some of the response to too skinny is because folks are faced with how 'not skinny' they are looking at those who are not.

  • Anonymous

    2/8/2010 10:14:07 PM |

    I'm a caucasian male, 6'2" and I've been healthily below 160.  I have a thin body.  I don't know if it's because my bones are smaller, or what, but this is normal for me.

    And, I feel for the thin folks in the south.  When we lived in TN for a few years, I had a heck of a time finding 32" waist pants.  Now that I'm back in CA, it's much easier.

  • lockeender

    5/6/2010 4:09:25 AM |

    Jimmy Stewart was thought too skinny by Hollywood and the Army at the time.  When he was first signed to MGM they recognized that Stewart had an uncanny screen charisma and great star potential, but they considered him just so goofy looking that they didn't buy him having any male star sex appeal.  MGM wanted someone to compete with Tyrone Power, Clark Gable, Spencer Tracy and up and comers like Cary Grant (Grant would be a better example for you than Stewart).  Before MGM ever put Stewart in a movie they put him with one of the studio weight trainers, hoping to add some muscle to his physique.  The trainer had Stewart lifting weights and drinking a gallon of milk everyday.  After a month of this regimen Stewart had gained about three pounds, mostly of bloat.  MGM put him in a variety of bit parts but they figured he was basically useless to them so they loaned him out to Columbia for a pair of pictures, You Can't Take it with You and Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.  Stewart's star was made and he returned to MGM to make a slew of great films, Destry rides again, Philadelphia Story, & The shop Around the corner.  Stewart came from a very patriotic, midwestern family.  in 1940 Stewart basically quit his studio contract (after filming A Mortal Storm) and recognizing the world situation, he went to enlist in the Army with the idea of entering the Air Corps to train as a pilot.  He was rejected flat out because he did not weigh enough for the minimum standard to enlist.  And Stewart was 6' 3&3/4" he weighed next to nothing!  Since he was only a few lbs under, Stewart went back the next week, this time after waterloading himself.  he barely made it through the physical before bursting, but he was able to eek over that minimum weight standard by a single pound.  By the time Pearl Harbor hit, Stewart was a certified pilot and he spent most of the war continually flying bombing missions over Europe.

    Cary Grant on the other hand, would be a superb example. Grant began life as a circus tumbler, and he maintained his athleticism throughout his life.  His remarkable lack of aging until his final decade was due to his  eschewing alcohol and smoking in his private life, which was both very rare at the time and ironic considering the suave characters he played always drank and smoked.  He may also have been one of the oddball anti-sugar hollywood types (Gloria Swanson was one) that refused to eat anything with sugar in it.  But I'm not certain on that.

  • buy jeans

    11/3/2010 3:43:15 PM |

    Ignore such comments. As you lose pounds and approach a truly desirable weight, realize that you are returning to the normal state, not the vision of "normal" now held by most Americans.

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