Eat triglycerides

Dietary fats, from olive oil to cocoa butter to beef tallow, are made of triglycerides.

Triglycerides are simply three ("tri-") fatty acids attached to a glycerol backbone. Glycerol is a simple 3-carbon molecule that readily binds fatty acids. Fatty acids, of course, can be saturated, polyunsaturated, and monounsaturated.

Once ingested, the action of the pancreatic enzyme, pancreatic lipase, along with bile acids secreted by the gallbladder, remove triglycerides from glycerol. Triglycerides pass through the intestinal wall and are "repackaged" into large complex triglyceride-rich (about 90% triglycerides) molecules called chylomicrons, which then pass into the lymphatic system, then to the bloodstream. The liver takes up chylomicrons, removes triglycerides which are then repackaged into triglyceride-rich very low-density lipoproteins (VLDL).

So eating triglycerides increases blood levels of triglycerides, repackaged as chylomicrons and VLDL.

Many physicians are frightened of dietary triglycerides, i.e, fats, for fear it will increase blood levels of triglycerides. It's true: Consuming triglycerides does indeed increase blood levels of triglycerides--but only a little bit. Following a fat-rich meal of, say, a 3-egg omelet with 2 tablespoons of olive oil and 2 oz whole milk mozzarella cheese (total 55 grams triglycerides), blood triglycerides will increase modestly. A typical response would be an increase from 60 mg/dl to 80 mg/dl--an increase, but quite small.

Counterintuitively, it's the foods that convert to triglycerides in the liver that send triglycerides up, not 20 mg/dl, but 200, 400, or 1000 mg/dl or more. What foods convert to triglycerides in the liver? Carbohydrates.

After swallowing a piece of multigrain bread, for instance, carbohydrates are released by salivary and gastric amylase, yielding glucose molecules. Glucose is rapidly absorbed through the intestinal tract and into the liver. The liver is magnificently efficient at storing carbohydrate calories by converting them to the body's principal currency of energy, triglycerides, via the process of de novo lipogenesis, the alchemy of converting glucose into triglycerides for storage. The effect is not immediate; it may require many hours for the liver to do its thing, increasing blood triglycerides many hours after the carbohydrate meal.

This explains why people who follow low-fat diets typically have high triglyceride levels--despite limited ingestion of triglycerides. When I cut my calories from fat to 10% or less--a very strict low-fat diet--my triglycerides are 350 mg/dl. When I slash my carbohydrates to 40-50 grams per day but ingest unlimited triglycerides like olive oil, raw nuts, whole milk cheese, fish oil and fish, etc., my triglycerides are 50 mg/dl.

Don't be afraid of triglycerides. But be very careful with the foods that convert to triglycerides: carbohydrates.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  • Kurt

    6/8/2011 2:51:47 AM |

    There must be genetic variations, though, as my triglycerides have measured between 78 and 90 on every test since 1993. For the past two years, I've been eating a 20% fat diet (with about 50% carbs), and on my latest VAP test, my triglycerides were 78. The diet, by the way, lowered my LDL 30%.

  • Ian Goldsmid

    6/8/2011 2:55:47 AM |

    Dr. Davis

    Could you please clarify:

    If I have one slice of gluten free mixed grain /seed toast - and very liberally heap Organic Coconut Oil & Almond Butter on it - am I still going to get the exaggerated carbohydrate to triglyceride conversion effect from the toast?

    Thanks, IJG

  • Gene K

    6/8/2011 3:28:45 AM |

    Dr Davis,

    How much TG-rich foods is it safe for APOE 4 people to consume? Will this amount depend on their fasting TG? Will it be per meal or a day's total?

    Thank you.

  • Markus Damian

    6/8/2011 7:16:16 AM |

    I think this article is excatly on target- I ate a low-fat, high-carb vegetarian diet for years, and at one point my measured triglyceride levels were > 300. After I started omitting most refined carbs from my diet (and upping my fat/protein intake correspondingly), my last reading has been 88. So, for me at least, dietary intake of triglycerides is not substantially related to blood levels.

  • Markus D

    6/8/2011 7:32:02 AM |

    ... having said that, there is something which I don't quite understand. Given that virtually the entire human population is on a high-carb feast, it must be that some of us react differently to high-carb diet than others, otherwise everyone would have elevated triglyc levels, right? My mother, who is certainly genetically quite close to me, eats a high-carb, low-fat diet, and her triglyceride levels are normal ...  Many thanks, M.

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    6/9/2011 12:18:07 AM |

    EPA (eicosa-pentaenoic fatty acid)  an omega-3  poly-unsaturated fatty acid reduces the amount of glucose that is made into tri-glycerides ("trigs") , thus decreasing de-novo lipo-genesis put out by the liver.  When I added daily concentrated fish oil  with 1,500 mg EPA & 750 mg DHA to my moderate carb diet my NMR  tested measurement of trigs went from 90 mg/dL down to 42 mg trigs/dL (tests  were 4 months apart).  

    EPA also increases the amount of insulin related glucose transporters inside skeletal muscle cells, which allays insulin resistance;  it (EPA) induces the skeletal muscles to "burn" more glucose for ATP energy  in oxidative phosphorylation , which decreases irritating lactate output that contributes to body "aches".  Insulin in circulation can then also work as a co-fact0r with EPA,  together they go on to increase functional  leptin  levels  (leptin = anti-appetite);  thus  we get less impulse to "graze"   between meals on  carbs that make  trigs.

  • carb sane

    6/9/2011 11:57:11 AM |

    Actually, it has been established that DNL is NOT a major source of fatty acids in VLDL.

    http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/2011/05/where-do-triglycerides-come-from-part-i.html

  • majkinetor

    6/9/2011 1:49:40 PM |

    Actually, its around 20%

    http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/286/4/E577.full

  • majkinetor

    6/9/2011 1:49:59 PM |

    Nice. I didn't know that. Thats pretty big amount of EPA/DHA, it is therapeutic amount often used for COX-2 inhibition.

    Can you tell more about the dosage ? Did you try smaller dose ? Is it fish oil or fish capsule or simply fish ? What are you thoughts about potential problems with PUFA and oxidation in regard to fish oil ?

  • carb sane

    6/9/2011 5:05:24 PM |

    Firstly, that's not about VLDL.  Secondly, that means around 80% comes from dietary fat.    Did you read my link?

  • Might-0'chondri-AL

    6/9/2011 6:15:27 PM |

    Hi majkinetor,
    I only went from no fish oil supplementation as an experiment to taking 1 tsp of Natural Factor's "pharmaceutical grade"  (  concentrated Canadian product's total fish oil=4,400 mg.  with 2,630 Omega 3 fatty acids of which 1,500 = EPA & 750 = DHA)  taken, as free  poured liquid along with morning food and evening food in 1/2 tsp measuring spoon slurps. Intake  of liquid oil was at the same time ate carbs , and carb intake was similar for when had 1st measured trigs when wasn't supplementing with fish oil  .  

    I personally don't think PUFA oxidation is an issue in diets that have lots of substrate for gut bacteria to make short chain 4 carbon fatty acid butyrate. It (butyrate) up-regulates many distinct  GST (glutathione S-transferase) genes;  these go on to tackle multiple lipid peroxidation by-products  (ex:  activity neutralizes 4-hydroxy- nonenal &  trans-alk-enals/dienals ),  while  micro-somal GST promotes the glutathione conjugation to electro-philes  which then can act to decrease lipid hydro-peroxide activity.

  • majkinetor

    6/10/2011 7:25:50 AM |

    Ah, sorry, I missread your post.

  • majkinetor

    6/10/2011 7:30:08 AM |

    Secondly, that means around 80% comes from dietary fat
    Not at all.
    80% from dietary fat AND cho.

  • Jimmy

    6/10/2011 11:11:24 AM |

    Might: Do you live in Canada?
    Jim

  • Helen

    6/10/2011 11:25:24 AM |

    M-Al,

    I used to take fish oil, but now that I'm measuring my glucose daily, I find that even a small dose immediately raises my fasting glucose 10-15mg, and somewhat worsens my post-prandial readings.  My own observation is in keeping a study that showed that prediabetic women's glucose control was worsened by a fish oil supplement.  (I don't have the link handy.)  Can you explain?

    I have the same troubles with modest supplements of vitamin C and niacin, though I'm sure for different reasons.  I find it interesting, and I don't mean that in any coded way, that two of Dr. Davis' recommended supplements  (fish oil and niacin) impair glucose control in me and in some studies.  I am wondering if this might explain in part his advice to shun carbs.  In the context of those supplements, carbs are not well tolerated.

  • Dr. William Davis

    6/10/2011 12:12:00 PM |

    Several commenters make the point that there is genetic variation in susceptibility to triglyceride intake and carbohydrate intake.

    Absolutely. Two people on the same diet can have wildly different results. Part of this is attributable to apo E genotype, apo C genotype, lipoprotein lipase and hepatic lipase genotypes, among others. Body weight and previous eating habits will also enter the equation. However, in most people increased triglyceride intake does not result in substantial increase in serum triglycerides.

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    6/10/2011 9:59:19 PM |

    Hi Helen,
    I've heard some respond as you mention;  I wonder if they were all overweight during the data collection period, as pre-diabetic could imply.  In your circumstances (ie: blood glucose goes up with supplements)  it would be instructive to know if  you've a tendency for excess weight.

    My own niacin use went from none to 3x per day of 500 mg.  niacin taken with meals;   my own 2011 NMR lipid tests done 4 months apart were as follows.  Without any niacin fasting NMR cholesterol test results:  LDL = 139,  HDL=45,  total number of LDL particles  = 1,676,  with the number of small LDL particles  = 1,021 nmol/dL .  As for NMR cholesterol test with 1,500 mg daily total  niacin :  LDL = 100, HDL = 64,  total number of LDL particles = 976 , with the number of small LDL particles = nmol/dL.

    The nice plunge in small LDL doesn't seem to be due to a massive restriction of carbs;  in fact,  both my  HbA1c  and fasting serum glucose test result ciphers  went up slightly after I had  instituted niacin &  EPA/DHA fish oil  (started both at same time).   Incidentally,  I've never had  weight gain problems  and unintentionally lost 10 pounds I didn't intend to  since started taking the fish oil;  losing so much small LDL was more than thought possible and maybe wasn't 100% due to the niacin  (also daily  added  6,000 IU vitamin D3 from none, taken as 2,000 IU  with each meal).

    So,  before you decide that niacin & EPA/DHA supplements driving up your post-prandial glucose is positively detrimental it might be good to have your own baseline data (ie:  NMR for cholesterol & HbA1c for accretion of  blood sugar) .  If you are in the USA you can get a valid blood draw order in ANY state at all and the emailed results by using  cheapest online arrangement from summitcountymedicalsociety.prepaidlab.com ;  their doctor orders the blood test for you and,  of course, I have no financial interest in this .

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    6/10/2011 10:04:42 PM |

    edit,
    see 2nd paragraph's last sentence to Helen above, missing number in last set of data is for number of small LDL nmol/dL and should be 96 (ninety-six) ... in other words  that data shows that with niacin the  small LDL  "plunged" to 96 from being 1,021 nmol/dL without niacin supplementation.

  • Helen

    6/11/2011 5:27:07 AM |

    Hi M-Al,

    I'm different from a lot of visitors to this blog in that I have never had cholesterol problems.  I don't remember my exact numbers but my HDL and LDL split has been deemed "ideal," and my triglycerides range from 44-48, with total cholesterol being about 157.  

    My current BMI is 20 or less (haven't checked the charts lately) and my highest ever was 25, about a year ago.  Generally, I've been in the 23 range.  So, no, I don't have a propensity to weight gain.  On the other hand, I'm borderline diabetic.  Last year, at my highest BMI, my A1C was 6.4.  On low-carb, it slowly got down to 6.0, and my last test, on low-fat, was also 6.0, although according to my meter readings, taken at least three times a day, it should be 5.3.  I'm definitely right on the border with the diabetes, though have pushed it back some over the past year.  My blood sugar *sometimes* shoots to 200 or over within the first hour of eating (a "diabetic" number, though my endocrinologist says it has to be 200 at two hours to be considered clinical diabetes), but it quickly goes down again.  My liver seems to pump out a lot of glucose.  I tend to have a fasting glucose between 109 and 125.  Sometimes it gets as low as 99.  On low-carb, it ranged from 125 to 145, and was 160 a few times.  

    Needless to say, my biggest concern is my glucose level.  Metformin didn't help, low-carb didn't help much (and definitely made my tolerance for any amount of carbs next to zero - I once went to 198 on a carrot and half an orange, but I don't anymore.  It also gave me heart palpitations, worsened my insomnia, and greatly impaired my exercise tolerance), and I wonder if I'm just stuck with what I've got at this point.  Not that I'm throwing in the towel.  Fortunately, my cholesterol profile has  been ideal, my resting heart rate and blood pressure are low-normal, and my weight is okay without a struggle.  But I'm getting aches and pains in my joints and think the fish oil could help there.

  • Peter

    6/11/2011 1:32:44 PM |

    Dr. Davis, at one point you were concerned that you were eating too many nuts
    because your ratio of omega 3 and 6 was off.  What is your current thinking about the trade-offs?

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    6/11/2011 10:02:26 PM |

    Hi Helen,
    lost 2 replies, says server error ... sorry

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    6/11/2011 10:14:46 PM |

    Hmm Helen,
    Sounds like epigenetic or good old genetic polymorphism ... appears that Hexokinase II (HK II) is NOT staying inside skeletal muscle mitochondria and glucose-6-phosphate (G-6-P) is working to keep HK II in cell cytosol in a loop,  whereby HK II engenders glycogen output and instigates lots of G-6-P ... that cell has own glucose from glycogen so GLUT 4 (glucose transporters) move too far away to pick up blood glucose  ... liver glycogen  for it's part involves HK IV (glucokinase) and G-6-P too, but may not be root of  your syndrome ... too slow a rate of G-6-P degradation and /or too many carbon or nitrogen terminals on HK II would allow G-6-P to yank HK II  into metabolism cranking out glycogen ...  hey - twice wrote this already.

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    6/12/2011 12:49:42 AM |

    Helen, Hi-
    Metaformin probably did not work for you because it functions to increase glucose uptake by provoking anaerobic glycolysis to create additional glucose demand;   you may already be doing plenty  of anaerobic glycolysis  as a consequence of your extra ordinary local glycogen synthesis.  The carbon from glucose with anaerobic glycolysis engenders a lot of lactate being produced; your aching joints and body pain syndrome fit the profile of excessive lactate in circulation.

    There is no easy way to determine what phase of the G-6-P dynamic with Hexokinase forms is not working normally, if even involved.  When we wean to real food our skeletal muscles start to run glucose metabolism with HK II and GLUT 4,  rather than the HK I and GLUT 1  we started with;  this change over occurs when we  starts to relatively "burn" both carbs and fats  and skeletal muscles develop  their insulin sensitivity.

    I am not  a clinician, and you have your personal physician to guide you; if I had a distorted  HK II  and G-6-P pattern ( that was unresponsive to low carbs)  I would try to end run it,  and not have skeletal muscle cells utilizing glucose to stop ratcheting up G-6-P and short out the negative feedback loop . I'd  significantly increase my consumption of  dietary fat in the explicit form of unheated virgin coconut oil  and fatty fish (for the EPA/DHA);  if taking EPA causes  blood sugar to rise it is probably because the EPA is driving skeletal muscles to "burn" fat , and thus skeletal muscles are using less of the HK II glycogen  which itself then used even less blood glucose as substrate  (ie: EPA  reduces blood glucose commonly used so glucose level in blood measures higher if cell metabolism aberrant  in the manner like I surmise).

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    6/12/2011 4:28:39 AM |

    Hi Jim,
    Am not  residing in Canada.

  • majkinetor

    6/12/2011 7:04:12 AM |

    Vitamin C can give falsely higher values when measuring bunch of markers, most notably glucose. Its because it is so similar with glucose (very similar net formula, the same transporters in the body - GLUT, its made from glucose in animals etc...)

    About oil, it can only slow down carb absorption and let the body tolerate better. Did you experiment with other fish oil manufacturers ? Perhaps something in the product apart from fish oil makes you feel that way. For instance, ascorbyl palmitate is typical antioxidant used (along with Vitamin E) so this can be responsible for false higher reading.

  • majkinetor

    6/12/2011 7:22:27 AM |

    Helen, did you try megadosing with Vitamin C (~10g per day as frequent as you can). Vitamin C influences beta cells in the pancreas and deficiency is common in diabetes. Scorbutic guinea pigs show defects in insulin metabolism in vitro. Higher glucose levels compete with C for transporter. Add chromium if you didn't. Daily exercise will surely help. Since low carb made your glucose problem worst (most probable is higher hepatic insulin resistance that is consequence of low carb diet) you might try to return some safe starches back (for instance potato or rice) and keep CHO between 50 and 75 g per day.  Ashes and pains in the joint might be consequence of your too low carb diet since carbs are used for joint functions. Carbs are also used for intestinal mucus which so on very low carb you might have some micronutrient deficiencies.

  • Dee

    6/13/2011 7:47:05 PM |

    Have you tried adding D-ribose to your mix of supplements?  It has helped with my muscle aches from exercise.

  • Kris - Health Blog

    6/14/2011 7:52:50 AM |

    It seems that a lot of doctors would do well by going back a few years in time and re-reading Biochem 101.

  • Jim Anderson

    6/14/2011 7:05:22 PM |

    My wife and I have both been following a low-carb eating plan.  For me, that has meant increased fat consumption from the start.  I have felt full and satisfied after meals, and can go longer without feeling hungry.  I have also lost weight steadily.  My wife, however, has had a harder time of it.   She claims that is because women just have a harder time losing weight than men do.  That's true, I guess, in general, but I have also noticed that she seems to be avoiding fat a lot more than I do.  (Well, I don't avoid it at all!)  So she gets hungrier more often.  It is very difficult to overcome years and years of anti-dietary fat propaganda!

  • Joe Lindley

    6/30/2011 2:04:03 PM |

    Yes!  Thanks for the complete explanation of the fats vs. carbs impact.  I'm successfully on a low carb diet now after quitting Atkins years ago because my wife was worried I'd keep over from a heart attack.  With the right information out there now that dietary fat won't hurt you, people can stick to a low carb diet and get enough satiety (food satisfaction) with fats in the diet to stay on a diet.  It's truly been a disaster that the nutrition authorities shooed us away from dietary fats starting in the 1970s.  It's taken decades to get the word out that dietary fats are OK.  I published a nostalgic post on this about how Barney Fife got it right back in 1963:  http://bit.ly/m5eAhE

  • James Roberts

    7/30/2011 12:59:43 AM |

    Great post, great site.  I made my way to focusing on triglycerides by starting with Lipitor.  I had some bad though serious side effects (mostly insomnia),  so I dropped it and worked really hard on reducing fat intake.  That pretty much worked, but surprise (to me)... triglycerides went way up.  Now that I've also worked on cutting empty calories my levels are down to borderline.  Once you make it to a genuinely healthy diet everything seems to work out Wink
    cheers,
    James

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Glucomania

Glucomania

As I suggested in a previous Heart Scan Blog post, a glucose meter is your best tool to:

1) Lose weight
2) Cure diabetes
3) Reduce or eliminate small LDL particles
4) Achieve anti-aging or age-slowing effects


But it means getting hold of a glucose meter and applying it in a very different way.

Diabetics typically check fasting morning glucose and again several times during the day to assess medication effects. But you and I can measure blood glucose to assess the immediate effects of food choices--two very different approaches.

The concept is simple: Check a blood glucose just prior to a food or meal of interest, then one hour after finishing.

Let's take two hypothetical breakfasts. First, oatmeal, a so-called "low-glycemic index" food. Slow-cooked, stone ground oatmeal with skim milk, a handful of walnuts, just a few blueberries.

Blood glucose just prior: 95 mg/dl
Blood glucose one hour after finish: 175 mg/dl

I made those numbers up, but this is a fairly typical response for many adults. (This is why "low-glycemic index" is an absurd notion.) This kind of response causes 1) glycation, the adverse effects of glucose modification of proteins that leads to cataracts, kidney disease, cartilage damage and arthritis, atherosclerosis, skin wrinkles, etc., 2) high insulin response that cascades into fat deposition, especially visceral fat ("wheat belly"), and 3) glucotoxicity, i.e., direct damage to the pancreas that can, over years, lead to diabetes.

Next day, let's try a breakfast of 3-egg omelet made with green peppers, sundried tomatoes, and olive oil.

Blood glucose just prior: 95 mg/dl
Blood glucose one hour after finish: 93 mg/dl

This is a meal of virtually zero-glycemic index. This kind of response triggers none of the effects experienced following the oatmeal. Repeated over time and you fail to trigger glycation, you stop provoking insulin, and visceral fat mobilizes rather than accumulates: you lose weight, particularly around the middle.

We therefore aim to keep the one-hour blood glucose 100 mg/dl or less. If you start with a high fasting blood glucose of, say, 118 mg/dl, then we aim to keep the one-hour after-eating blood glucose no higher than the pre-meal.

It works. Plain and simple.

This makes the primary care docs crazy: "How dare you check your blood sugar! You're not diabetic." In truth, blood glucose meters are relatively simple devices to use. The test strips and lancets will cost a few bucks. (The meters themselves are either low-cost or free, just like Gillette sometimes sends you a beautiful new razor for free but expects you to buy the blades). These are direct-to-consumer products. While a prescription written by your doctor for a glucose meter and supplies helps insurance cover the costs, you can easily get these devices without a prescription. Some stores, like Target, keep their devices out on the shelves with the shampoo and bath soap.

Warning: Anyone taking diabetes drugs will have to consult with their doctors about the safety of such an approach. Because this approach can actually cure diabetes in some people, if you are taking some diabetes drugs, especially glyburide, glipidize, and glimepiride, you can experience dangerously low blood sugars, just as any non-diabetic taking these drugs would.

Comments (52) -

  • Robert Burton Robinson

    2/8/2011 3:47:09 PM |

    Had a bowl of oatmeal less than one hour ago. Old-fashioned oats, artificial sweetener, cinnamon. Now I am wiped out. Tired, sleepy. I don't even need a glucose meter to tell me the oatmeal reeked havoc on my blood sugar.

    I always feel this way after eating certain carbs. Used to think old-fashioned oatmeal was okay. But it's just not. Not for me anyway. By the way, I'm hypoglycemic.

  • Steve Cooksey

    2/8/2011 3:50:18 PM |

    Agreed Dr. Davis... wish all would "Read and Heed" this advice.

    Question: you are referring to Type 2 Diabetes only, right?

    All the best.

    Steve

  • Jonathan

    2/8/2011 3:53:13 PM |

    Most drug stores including Walmart and Target carry a small disposable meter that looks like a 35mm film bottle.  Very cheap and includes 50 test strips.  Next cheapest I've found is the Walmart ReliOn Ultima meter which is around $9 and you buy the strips at the Pharmacy (only since people steal them) for around $39 for 100.  When I first started Primal, my sugar readings were all over the place and then within 3-4 months of eating low-carb my reading became really stable all day long.  I think I had to burn through my over abundant glycogen stores first (it was mostly causing high waking pre-breakfast readings).

  • Desia

    2/8/2011 4:39:06 PM |

    I'm going to try this with the BG meter we use for our diabetic cat. It measures in mmol/L and the recommended BG targets are 4.0-7.0 before meals/5.0-10.0 2hrs. after. (for humans)
    Is this similar to your recommendation of100 mg/d,l Dr Davis?

  • Anonymous

    2/8/2011 4:41:35 PM |

    Can it cure type I diabetes as well?

  • Steve Cooksey

    2/8/2011 5:04:04 PM |

    I am a diabetic and I find the inexpensive Wallmart brand ReliOn Micro is a great value.

    @ $20 for meter and strips. Refill strips @ $12 per 20.

  • Anonymous

    2/8/2011 5:22:48 PM |

    Just a "heads up" for others.  I ordered the Walmart Relion BG meter ($9) and a supply of strips and lancets online only to have Walmart CANCEL the BG meter (no reason available) and send me the strips and lancets (which I will have to return as they are useless to me without the Relion BG meter).  Walmart's website still says the BG meters are "in stock" when clearly they are not and customer service had no explanation for that either.

    I'll visit your earlier post to find a comparable meter.

  • Jeff

    2/8/2011 5:41:44 PM |

    Dr. Davis: "This is why low-glycemic index is an absurd notion."

    Does this mean the Dreamfields pasta claim of being low-carb is misleading, at best?

    I've been contemplating trying it, but fear it really isn't low carb.

  • Jack

    2/8/2011 5:48:20 PM |

    i am curious about the effect that the oatmeal that i sometimes eat would have on my blood glucose levels.

    i take 3 cups of raw oats, soak them in warm water with 8 tablespoons of raw whey and add 2 heaping tablespoons of organic buckwheat flour and let them soak for 24 hours. drain and rinse thoroughly. pour the oats into a baking casserole dish and add some coconut oil, blueberries, pure vanilla, cinnamon, buttermilk. bake at 350 for 40 minutes.

    the result is a very delicious and highly altered form of oats. the whey and buckwheat drastically reduce the phytic acid and 'ferment' or predigest the oats. when it's done, i just add a couple spoons of pasture butter and enjoy. i've noticed a significant change in texture as a result. the oats are no longer firm. they feel quite 'broken down' and they do not sit in my stomach like a brick.

    why go through all that trouble? well... you should taste it. it is quite the treat.

  • ~Amy Jo~

    2/8/2011 5:55:34 PM |

    I appreciate the information in your blog.  I started checking my blood sugar and was shocked at the results of some 'low glycemic index' foods.  Besides the basic health benefits of maintaining healthy blood glucose, I've also lost a few pounds.  Bonus!

  • Anne

    2/8/2011 6:02:39 PM |

    Desia,

    I'm diabetic and from the UK where we measure blood glucose in mmol/L - to convert from mg/dl to mmol/L just divide by 18 - so 100 is 5.5. Multiply by 18 to convert your mmol/L to mg/dl.

  • revelo

    2/8/2011 6:06:01 PM |

    Oatmeal and other high-carb foods won't cause blood sugar spikes if you are lean, get regular exercise,  eat high-carb foods on a regular basis, and don't have health problems. All 4 of the above conditions must be met. In particular, you MUST exercise, though the exerciser doesn't have to be lengthy.

    I find keeping my bodyfat under 15% (I'm a 50 year-old male, women would have a higher percentage) and doing 5 to 10 minutes of one-legged squats, which gets my blood pumping and is much more convenient than running, is enough to keep my insulin sensitivity high enough to avoid blood sugar surges.

    Yesterday, for example, I had a single large meal in the late afternoon, due to being too busy to eat most of the day: a half can of salmon, a large salad, 300g (dry) of cooked oats mixed with about 6 grams of cinnamon all eaten within about 30 minutes. My blood sugar never exceeded 110 mg/dL during the subsequent 3 hours (I measured every 30 minutes) and eventually fell back to the normal level of about 85.

    When I experimented with a paleo diet for a while, my insulin sensitivity plummeted, so that when I broke the paleo regime temporarily and ate a mere 100g (dry) of cooked oats, my blood sugar skyrocketed to 195 mg/dL 30 minutes later. And note that those oats were eaten together with 2 eggs and some veggies, which would normally tend to mute the glycemic index as opposed to eating oats by themselves. Evidently, what happened while eating paleo is that my body's cells had down-regulated their insulin sensitivity. This makes sense, since there is no need for high insulin sensitivity when eating paleo, and the greater danger under these conditions is low blood sugar rather than high blood sugar. Only when glucose is abundant (regularly eating a high carb diet) does the body upregulate insulin sensitivity. But the upregulation won't occur if the body is fat or doesn't get regular exercise. And, of course, it obviously won't occur for someone with a "burned out" pancreas, such as Type II diabetics supposedly have.

  • Desia

    2/8/2011 7:43:01 PM |

    Anne, thanks for the info. (I'm from Canada)

  • AndreAnna

    2/8/2011 7:56:23 PM |

    Has there been any studies citing any differences in regular oats versus soaking/sprouted oats? I wonder if the neutralizing of the phytic acid that helps in digestions would also help the way the body breaks down the oats and, therefore, insulin response.

  • Brent

    2/8/2011 9:36:23 PM |

    Jeff -

    I have used Dreamfields for about 6 months now.  They claim the carbs are "locked up" and can't be digested.  I have found they do not affect blood glucose like regular pasta would.

    However they are still wheat, which has it's own problems even if the special processing prevents blood glucose spikes. I still have it once or twice a month when the rest of my "non-low carb" family has pasta, but I know I have to quit wheat all together soon, just hard to do. For now it's the lesser of two evils.

  • donny

    2/9/2011 1:34:07 AM |

    "Oatmeal and other high-carb foods won't cause blood sugar spikes if you are lean, get regular exercise, eat high-carb foods on a regular basis, and don't have health problems."

    Absolutely. But this is a blog about reversing heart disease...

  • Gretchen

    2/9/2011 2:02:45 AM |

    It's dangerous to talk about "curing" diabetes with a low-carb diet. Someone with type 2 who goes on a LC diet may be able to maintain normal blood sugar levels as long as s/he stays on the diet. But the diabetes is not cured. Returning to a standard American diet would result in high blood sugar again.

    A diabetes cure would mean you could eat cereal, skim milk, orange juice, toast, and jam and keep your blood sugar levels normal.

    The danger of telling someone he/she is cured is that the person will believe it, will return to a regular diet, and will stop testing, not realizing how high blood sugars are and will end up in a worse situation than he/she started with.

  • Galina L.

    2/9/2011 2:49:37 AM |

    That is it! I am buying a glucosameter! I sometimes get a little bit lethargic from any big meal, if I simple add cabbage soup to my usual stake + sauerkraut lunch.

    To Gretchen:
    It is very dangerous to be so stupid(or reluctant to think) as the individual you just described.

  • Anonymous

    2/9/2011 3:36:25 AM |

    I enjoy this blog, but I do frequently agree with those who say that the grandiose effects of eating grains that you present are often times found more common place in people with metabolic problems. For example, while I was in college, I had a dorm mate who read some random article about gluten and suddenly believed herself to be suffering from Celiac Disease. My friends and I labeled her an hypochondriac, going so far as feeding her a deadly, lethal oatmeal cookie (gasp!) which we passed off as consisting of "a grain-like substance produced from the dried roots of a Japanese plant." My dorm mate ate the cookie and low and behold - nothing. Weeks prior she claimed to have taken a few bites of Frosted Mini Wheats in the cafeteria and subsequently suffered a debilitating pain in her stomach. Moral of the story is that her fear of gluten and the pain she felt from consuming Frosted Mini Wheats were purely psychosomatic.

    I guess what I'm at getting at is you provide good information, but often times the entries you write are reminiscent of the blogs/journals/prose/essays written by individuals such as the Unibomber. In a half-serious, half-jocular manner, I always feel like one day I'll read/hear in the news, "Man opens [gun] fire within an oatmeal factory," and [to no one's surprise] it'll be you. I'm not accusing you of actually perpetuating such an act, but you write with such vigor about something like wheat/grains, and it gives off the "vibe" that you are harboring some hardcore resentment.

    Once again, I enjoy your overall blog, but your hasty generalizations and confusing cause-and-effect can be misleading and overly exaggerated.

  • Dr. William Davis

    2/9/2011 3:40:26 AM |

    Hi, Steve--

    Actually, the same advice applies to all forms of diabetes. Type 1 and "intermediate" types, i.e., slender people with diabetes, LADA, etc., can still follow a similar program with equally extravagant results.

    However, the blood sugar tightrope is much more difficult to walk for these people and should be undertaken with the assistance of the (sadly, rare) assistance of a knowledgeable expert in doing so.

  • Dr. William Davis

    2/9/2011 3:45:38 AM |

    Hi, Amy Jo--

    Ahh. Your comment alone made writing this post worth it. Thank you.

    There is an odd sentiment that sometimes prevails: If it doesn't apply to me, it must not be true. As if everyone wore a size 13 shoe.

  • Anonymous

    2/9/2011 4:42:37 AM |

    How about oatmeal (steel cut)if:
    15 min blood sugar 127
    30 min blood sugar 150s
    45 min blood sugar 125
    60 min blood sugar back to 95?

  • Anonymous

    2/9/2011 5:45:11 AM |

    As much as this wheat-free idea kills me, I'm going to try to at least quit my sweetened cereal habit each morning. My fasting sugar is good - 81, but my triglycerides are still monstrous at 292 even with niacin and fish oil. On a semi-related matter, I confirmed for myself that dry Vitamin D doesn't work. I've been using Life Extension brand cholecalciferol 5,000 units a day for months, and my levels barely rose - from 33 to 36. Got a shipment of the carlson oil caps and I'm going to try 8,000 and see where that leads.

  • Anonymous

    2/9/2011 9:05:42 AM |

    Hi,
    Thank you for this great post!  
    I was diagnosed borderline diabetic, glucose intolerant/insulin resistant over 10 years ago. I figured out that a glucose meter could really help improve my health so I used it faithfully for many years. Now the strips are very expensive so I have cut back. But I learned an incredible amount while  using the glucometer.
    This is a fabulous method, and I highly recommend it.

  • Peter

    2/9/2011 12:24:20 PM |

    My friend started feeding his diabetic cat low carb chow, and the cat went into shock when she got her insulin shot.
    The vet said her blood sugar had returned to normal, should no longer get insulin.

  • Anonymous

    2/9/2011 4:18:10 PM |

    Thanks Dr. Davis.  I have been following your advice to use the meter to lose weight and I find it really works!  I am finding the food that sends my blood sugar high and I am trying to avoid them.  
    Char

  • notrace

    2/9/2011 6:30:24 PM |

    Here's a way of using the glucose meter that I came across just this week: don't eat unless blood glucose has dropped to a normal level even if it means eating once a day.

    http://shurie.com/lee/writing_defeat_diabetes.htm

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    2/9/2011 8:07:30 PM |

    Heart effect of Doc's recommendation is very important if you are not young. Human ageing is accompanied by histological (molecular and cellular) changes in the vascular smooth muscle cells of the artery wall. It means that over time formation of atheroscleroma (plaque) becomes easier to develop - even if it has not done so, yet.

    Technically the molecules that are big players in the pro-inflammatory cycle are MCP-1 (monocyte chemo-attractant protein 1), MMP-2 (matrix metallo-proteinase type-II) and TGF-B1 (transforming growth factor beta-1). With age these are found circulating in elevated amounts; even in individuals without clinical problems. In other words genetic expression of them is upregulated, and it appears that age induces this epigenetic activation even if there is no diagnosable pathology.

    Now, Doc's clinical instruction is to hold down the small LDL production and reign in circulating triglycerides. This is because those are what will provide the fodder for the pro-inflammatory molecules' loop of interaction to actually go on to "make" actual plaque.

    Blood sugar spikes, according to Doc, are apparently the stalking horse for setting up our aged vascular system for pathological problems. We are accustomed to think of blood sugar as only a diabetics dilema; and so, many non-diabetics mistake Doc's insistance as not applicable to them.

    And, to those readers who have their own method of carbohydrate consumption it would be instructive to learn if any have tested, and might share, your small LDL percentage (mine is unsatisfactory to me, based on Doc's recommended %). This can add some perspective to see if this blog's "glucomania" is somewhat overblown.

  • Anonymous

    2/9/2011 8:34:29 PM |

    Ebay is also a good source of meters and test strips.  Some out of date, but less important for non diabetic purposes.

  • revelo

    2/9/2011 8:34:41 PM |

    donny wrote: "But this is a blog about reversing heart disease..."

    It's for Dr. Davis and not me to say what this blog is about, but my impression is that the goal is not just reversing but also preventing heart disease in the first place (and also the other ailments mentioned in the current post).

    Many of the people on the blog are healthy and want to stay that way, as opposed to being sick and wanting to be cured. I think I am in the first category myself, though I'm still awaiting the results of blood tests to know for sure. Already, I have made the following changes in my life due to reading this blog:

    1) taking 2000 IU/day of vitamin D3 in gel capsule.
    2) vitamin D blood test after a few months of the D3 supplement regime.
    3) using the glucose monitor to learn about my response to carbs.
    4) getting a VAP test to learn if I have Lp(a) and also get my VLDL numbers.
    5) Hb1Ac test.

    I am quite grateful for Dr Davis for pushing me to making these changes, but I think the anti-grain/anti-oatmeal focus is misguided.

    There is an epidemic of obsesity and type II diabetes in Pacific Islanders who eat junk food nowadays, but who were formerly lean on their traditional paleo low-carb diet of fish and coconuts. So why don't they go back to the fish and coconuts? BECAUSE CARBS ARE TASTY AND LOW-CARB DIETS ARE BORING. And there you have the argument against the paleo low-carb diet in a nutshell. The evidence is clear: Atkins works in the short run, but not the long run (at least for most people) because we naturally crave carbs. Sure, if you have willpower, you can hold off a year or so, but eventually you'll fall off the wagon. And when you do, you'll go ape over those carbs, because you haven't learned how to manage them. Whereas if your normal diet is high-wholegrain-carb (after using Atkins for losing weight in a hurry), then there is much less danger of losing control of yourself when you eat some sugar in addition to your usual wholegrains.

    High-carb diets are tricky to manage, because there is nothing to stop you from overeating, unlike with Atkins, where the body tends to resist overeating. But tricky is not the same as impossible. Part of the trick, in my experience, involves eating lots of wholegrains or tubers: wheat, rice, oats, corn, potatoes, etc. (Another part involves staying lean, and by lean, I mean ribs showign for men, as is a little strenuous exercise each day.) And that is why I keep arguing against this blanket indictment by Dr Davis against grains, and especially against oatmeal, which is the most health-inducing of the common grains for many people.

  • revelo

    2/9/2011 8:49:22 PM |

    @Might-o'chondri-AL: The chemistry panel I got back in December shows the following:

    Total chol: 152
    HDL       :  70
    Trig      :  39
    VLDL calc :   8
    LDL calc  :  74

    The two LDL scores are calculated, not measured. I just got back this very morning from getting blood drawn for a VAP test (ordered through lef.org), so I'll know my tested, as opposed to calculated, VLDL numbers in a week or so.

  • revelo

    2/9/2011 9:31:41 PM |

    @Might-o'chondri-AL:
    The chemistry panel I had back in December showed:

    Total chol: 152
    Trig      : 39
    HDL chol  : 70
    VLDL calc : 8
    LDL calc  : 74

    Just this morning, I had blood drawn for a VAP test (ordered through lef.org), so when the results come back, I'll know the measured VLDL percentage numbers, as opposed to the calculated values from the chemistry panel. (I'll also learn if I have Lp(a)).

    My diet back in December was similar to now: 200g to 400g (dry) per day of rolled oats, 1/3 to 1/2 can salmon, salad, sometimes low-fat cottage cheese or eggs instead of salmon, plus small quantities of "forbidden foods" that I'm allowed to eat on the way home from the grocery but am not allowed to keep in my apartment: chocolate, nuts, fruit.

    I should note that I spent October and November hiking the Appalachian trail, and so was in extremely good cardiovascular condition, and also quite lean, but I was feeling damaged internally from the constant alternation of famine and feast. The feasts typically involved a gallon of ice cream, a package or two cookies, plus anything else that struck my fancy. These feasts during town stops were to avoid losing too much body fat, since it was getting cold as November progressed and I needed to retain some body fat to stay warm. It was because of that feeling of being internally damaged that I began researching health on the internet and came across this blog.

    (I posted this comment before and it got deleted somehow.)

  • free diabetic meters

    2/9/2011 9:39:52 PM |

    Fascinating! This is such a great idea! Thanks!

  • Dr. William Davis

    2/10/2011 2:24:03 AM |

    Hi, Revelo--

    Great comments.

    However, it helps to keep one thing in mind: The reduction or elimination of grains is not just about weight control (though it certainly does help that); it's about reduction of small LDL, triglycerides, other inflammatory phenomena, blood pressure, visceral fat, and glycation.

    Wheat and oats increase blood sugar, small LDL, triglycerides, etc. to extravagant degrees.

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    2/10/2011 2:35:45 AM |

    @Revelo,
    Very good reading lipid panel profile; can see why you speak up against "glucophobia".

  • B

    2/10/2011 1:45:19 PM |

    @revelo: Hey, this is the only lipid panel I have ever seen anyone post that's close to my last one! At the time, I was eating 200-300g of carbs per day, mostly from grains. Of course I am only in my mid-20s now, but it's worth noting that this kind of lipid profile is typical for my extended family and we have absolutely no history diabetes or heart disease despite most of us being over. Bodies can handle carbohydrate so, so differently.

    Like you I am lean and need to put effort into gaining body fat, but I wasn't very active when I was eating high carb, lots of grains (and plenty of junky food too as I was trying to put on weight), and it made me ill in various ways.  

    I do feel my best with starch in my diet, but stick to potatoes, other tubers/root veg, and white rice - and not too much, I have always had issues with blood sugar 'crashes' although I haven't tested with a blood glucose meter to see just what's going on there. I feel awful an hour or two after eating too many carbs (and more ill after eating smaller amounts of oats, whear).

  • Anonymous

    2/10/2011 4:46:38 PM |

    I have a question as a breakfast cereal junkie trying to kick the wheat and sugar habit: would something like rice crispies be significantly better? No wheat as far as I can tell, but there is some fructose and some malted barley involved...

  • Anonymous

    2/11/2011 1:13:36 AM |

    For those interested in blood glucose I recommend the presentation 'What is Normal Glucose? – Continuous Glucose Monitoring Data from Healthy Subjects' by Professor Christiansen.

    He uses a continuous blood glucose monitoring for 30 or so patients over a 5 day trial.  Days 2-3 set meal in clinic and days 4-5 free meals at set times.

    This should give you an idea of  the expected daily ranges are for healthy subjects.

    He then does an additional study on breakfast and comes to the conclusion that perhaps the fast adsorbing breakfasts we've be told to eat arn't that good for us.  Ref this blog post on oatmeal vs omelet.

    Finally he looks at mortality vs blood-glucose levels.

    http://www.diabetes-symposium.org/index.php?menu=view&source=&sourceid=0&chart=1&id=322

    Enjoy.

  • Anonymous

    2/11/2011 1:34:34 AM |

    Here is another presentation that y'all may find interesting as part of the 'cut grains out' argument is vLDL production that is the bad cholesterol.  I'm no biochemist but this presentation on Sugar focusing on Fructose and how it treated by the liver may interest.

    Other carbs though seem to get converted to Glucose and only a tiny amount to vLDL / triglycerides.

    The huge vLDL / Triglycerides production comes from fructose.  I limit my fructose to less than 10g/day.

    'Sugar: The Bitter Truth'

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

    Enjoy.

  • Tom

    2/11/2011 3:21:39 AM |

    I recently bought a ReliOn micro glucometer from Walmart after reading your recommendations, Dr. Davis. I'm 31, in excellent health, eat low-grain/starch most of the time, frequent anaerobic and aerobic exercise. My fasting glucose seems to rest in the 70-90 range.

    Recently I decided to measure my glucose response after eating oatmeal. I used organic instant rolled oats and soaked them > 1 day in water with salt and lime juice, WAPF-style. I made a huge bowl of oatmeal (about 20 fluid ounces) and added blueberries and an appropriately huge amount of butter before eating. One hour later I measured my blood glucose using 2 separate test strips. I got 79 and 78. This surprised me, and I thought I'd add my data point to the discussion here.

    No doubt a high fat load slowss gastric emptying and helps minimize the spike in blood glucose. Perhaps my reading would have been higher 2 hours after the meal.

  • Anonymous

    2/11/2011 2:20:27 PM |

    What about 1 carb whey protein isolate with unsweetened almond milk?  Why does it raise blood glucose?

  • Anonymous

    2/12/2011 4:56:41 AM |

    http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/007893.html

    Fructose Alters Brain Metabolism
    One of the competing theories to explain the obesity epidemic is a rise in fructose consumption causing alterations in hormone levels that increase appetite. UCSF med school prof Robert Lustig has a pretty good rant-lecture on the evils of fructose. Well, here's another study on part of the mechanism in the brain of how fructose might be causing increased obesity.

    PORTLAND, Ore. – The dietary concerns of too much fructose is well documented. High-fructose corn syrup has become the sweetener most commonly added to processed foods. Many dietary experts believe this increase directly correlates to the nation's growing obesity epidemic. Now, new research at Oregon Health & Science University demonstrates that the brain – which serves as a master control for body weight – reacts differently to fructose compared with another common sweetener, glucose. The research is published in the online edition of the journal Diabetes, Obesity and Metabolism and will appear in the March print edition.

    In humans the cortical brain control areas of the brain were inhibited by the influx of fructose.

    Functional MRI allows researchers to watch brain activity in real time. To conduct the research, nine normal-weight human study subjects were imaged as they received an infusion of fructose, glucose or a saline solution. When the resulting brain scans from these three groups were compared, the scientists observed distinct differences.

    Brain activity in the hypothalamus, one brain area involved in regulating food intake, was not affected by either fructose or glucose. However, activity in the cortical brain control areas showed the opposite response during infusions of the sugars. Activity in these areas was inhibited when fructose was given but activated during glucose infusion.

    This is an important finding because these control brain areas included sites that are thought to be important in determining how we respond to food taste, smells, and pictures, which the American public is bombarded with daily.

    The result increases the plausibility of fructose as a causal agent.

    "This study provides evidence in humans that fructose and glucose elicits opposite responses in the brain. It supports the animal research that shows similar findings and links fructose with obesity," added Purnell.

    If you want to reduce your weight also consider other theories for the cause of obesity including grains as a possible major cause.

    By Randall Parker 2011 February 09 05:42 PM  Brain Appetite

  • Anonymous

    2/15/2011 12:45:07 AM |

    Oats are often cross contaminated with wheat.  Would certified gluten free oats give the same results?

  • semsons.group

    2/21/2011 4:04:55 PM |

    I think this post is really very important. Looking forward to future extensions of it.

      I've been able to control my cholesterol cutting wheat to zero, a moderate version of paleo diet, and a little of supplements with DHA/EPA, as suggested by Dr. Davis. Now is the turn of glucose Wink

      After reading this post I bought a glucometer (Bayer USB device) and I'm slowly learning some important things. My fasting glucose is good, about 80, however I've just seen (measured) that a simple dish of rice with fried egg rises my glucose one hour after lunch to  170!. My wife experienced a similar change. Amazing. I have lunch at work, and these measures of glucose are going to be very helpful to help me decide what to choose for the menu. I plan to continue measuring my glucose for the next weeks, so I guess news surprise will come.

    I just want to thank Dr. Davis for the great help  he's providing to many people from his blog.

      Best.

  • Anonymous

    2/26/2011 7:01:06 PM |

    Hi,

    I have bought a glucometer and wnted to ask you a question.
    This morning my bg was 4.9 (fasting) so very good then I ate pork then I had cashews and at 5pm I felt shakey not right, hungry so I checked it and it was 4.3 (isnt it a bit low?) so I had a pear and an hour after the pear it was 6.1, is it normal? does it mean i should avoid fruits?

    thanks for your help!

  • Anonymous

    3/31/2011 2:36:10 PM |

    I know I'm late to this party, but I took your advice and got a free glucose meter from Walgreens (came with 10 strips). Fasting blood sugar 75, ate a giant meal of steak, eggs, bacon, sausage, and sliced tomatoes, it went up to 85. On seperate days, a plain protein shake with a tad of reds powder spiked it to 112 (!!!) and my "low-carb" meat chili (no beans, just meat) launched it to 102 (lots of tomato paste/sauce). Needless to say, it's been an eye opener, especially since so-called "healthy" foods are raising my blood sugar more than I'd like, and of course stopping fat loss in it's tracks.

  • Duncan

    5/5/2011 8:21:07 AM |

    Hi,

    Am late to this party too but had a question.

    I too bought a blood glucose monitor and, following almost exactly the info above, I've been tracking my numbers for a few days now. And I have a few questions I was hoping someone could help me with...

    A few facts first:

    Age - 45
    Male
    Do Crossfit 3-4 times per week

    So far my BG levels have not gone over 108 and are averaging around 91/92, fasting BS is around 86.

    The 108 number came 1 hour after a breakfast of uncooked oatmeal, some apple sauce. milk and a handful of almonds - all blended. BUT last night I ate a green salad, chicken and vegetables, with a piece of thin pie crust (!) and 2 lattes (!!) that only gave me a BS  number of 85 after 1 hour and 83 after 3 hours.

    Do these numbers sound right? And how 'bad' is a BS level of 108?

    Hoping someone can advise...

    Duncan

  • Fred

    7/25/2011 5:36:21 AM |

    Insulin is meaningless. All the answers are on this site - http://carbsanity.blogspot.com/. Thank you and have a blessed day.

  • tam

    7/25/2011 7:52:13 PM |

    I've been testing stuff after 20 minutes.  The highest things were: whole wheat bread, whole wheat cereal, potatoes, and whole oranges.  But so far I've only had the 'low carb flu' or 'reactive hypoglycemia', and I've actually gained some weight.  But I think I'm on the right track.

  • LS

    10/4/2011 1:46:16 PM |

    Dr. Davis,
    If a person has a high fasting number, is the goal to stay at the original number?  I have a fasting glucose number of 83-85, so should my ideal number one hour or so post meal be close to or identical to the start or just below 100?  I'm a little confused.

  • Dr. William Davis

    10/5/2011 1:43:44 AM |

    At this low a starting value, just staying below 100 mg/dl is a great goal.

    The "no higher" advice was meant for people who start at 100 mg/dl or higher blood sugar.

  • jpatti

    5/29/2012 3:11:45 AM |

    Those who can keep tight control of bg with diet are not "cured" of diabetes anymore than those who avoid peanuts are "cured" of peanut allergies.

    Minimizing carb content keeps bg lower, yes, and many diabetics can control bg with just that.  Others need meds regardless of how clean their diets are.  

    Managing the disease is NOT curing it.  Unless they can pass a GTT, they're still diabetic.

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