Are cardiologists the enemy?

I'm sitting at dinner with two colleagues. One is a cardiology colleague, another an internist who, in addition to practicing general internal medicine, also takes heart disease prevention very seriously. He has, in fact, participated in the Track Your Plaque program and dropped his heart scan score substantially.

"Why don't we see you in the cath lab much?" my cardiology colleague asked me. He was puzzled, since he knew my background in cath lab work from years before, spending day and night doing procedure after procedure. He spends virtually all his days there.

"Well, my patients simply don't have events any more. Heart attacks and angina among people in my program are just about non-existent. They don't have symptoms and they don't have to go to the hospital. I can't remember the last time that I was woken up in the middle of the night for an urgent procedure for one of my patients."

The internist across the table smiled and expressed his agreement. "That's the same thing I'm seeing: No heart attacks, very few if any referrals to cardiologists for procedures. I remember when it was a several times a week thing. Now, almost never. "

Looking at my cardiology colleague, I saw the usual cardiologist reaction: Eyes searching left and right and behind us for something more interesting. Certainly, talking about a virtual cure for coronary heart disease was just too damn dull.

Such is the attitude of 98% of my colleagues: If it doesn't generate a revenue-producing procedure, why bother? Prevention is for general practitioners, the line of thinking goes. "And anyway, I'm too busy doing procedures! I don't ahve time to talk about prevention and health!" Of course, the poor general practitioner is already overloaded with caring for arthritis, flu, diabetes and all the new drugs for diabetes, headaches, vaccinations, diarrhea, and . . .oh, yes, heart disease prevention.

Are cardiologists the enemy? No, of course they are are not. But they often act like they are. Talking to cardiologists is like going to the car dealer with your checkbook out, pen in hand. The salesman gets to write the check himself and you just sign it. Talk to a cardiologist and more often than not you will end up with a heart procedure--whether or not you need it.

Unfortunately--tragically--they often forget what they are supposed to be doing: Taking care of a disease by preventing it. Putting in a defibrillator is not preventing a disease. Putting in three stents, laser angioplasty, and thrombectomy are not ways of preventing a disease.

I'm thankful for my internist friend who sees the light. Coronary heart disease is a an easily measurable, quantifiable, preventable, and REVERSIBLE process for many, if not most, people when provided the right tools. But don't ask your neighborhood cardiologists to give you those tools.

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  • Anonymous

    11/7/2007 4:30:00 PM |

    My grandfather, who had a great sense of humor, had heart disease and was a frequent visitor to the cardiologist office.  One day we were sitting in the cardiologist's waiting room and I was reading an article on doctors that get sued for malpractice.  In it was a list of doctors more likely to be sued and those not.  Leading the list of doctors least likely to be sued for malpractice was cardiologist.  I pointed this out and granddads response was, "That's because cardiologists are better at burying their mistakes."

    I'm guessing the best way to make cardiologists change their ways is by using the court system - unfortunately.  Just a few weeks ago I encouraged my mom to talk to her long time friend about doing that.  The friend’s father was on a hunting trip when he experienced chest pains.  He was rushed out of the woods to his hospital.  Cardiologists performed tests and everything came back normal.  No measures were taken.  A few weeks later the guy died from a heart attack.  As I told mom, a simple CT scan would have shown he had plaque and needed to immediately take preventive measures.  With all that is known now about detection and prevention it was criminal what was done and not done to that man.

  • Dr. Davis

    11/7/2007 8:11:00 PM |

    It's sad and unfortunate, but sometimes your hand is forced. I agree: Legal action in selected cases may be necessary to obtain justice and raise public awareness of the magnitude of this wrongful activity.

  • summersam

    11/8/2007 12:26:00 PM |

    Dear Dr Davis; I enjoy your column...  my question is this; I lap swim three days a week. I consider it to be a every other day stress test. i can certainly tell rapidly what foods are not good for: Red meat, butter, ice cream, shrimp, those are the biggys. Certainly the other meats that i eat have cholesterol; why dont they bother me? Ive had friends that swim relate the same to me: Beef and dairy is OUT.

  • Paul Kelly - 95.1 WAYV

    11/8/2007 12:34:00 PM |

    Hi Dr. Davis,

    Speaking of prevention - at what age should we start thinking about getting a CT Heart Scan? Also, would the scan show if there were heart problems other than plaque build-up?

    Thanks!

  • jpatti

    11/9/2007 7:32:00 AM |

    I'm a 45 yr old female with diabetes, but no history of heart disease in my family even in the other diabetics.  Obviously, I didn't die from my heart attack in May, but...

    I went to the ER complaining of recurrent chest pain, got an EKG and blood work, and was sent home with an antacid for my "heartburn."

    A couple days later, after vomiting and screaming off-and-on for a couple hours at a time all night, my husband took me back to the ER.  He carefully explained we already *knew* it wasn't a heart attack, but something is really wrong here - he had to speak for me because I could neither walk nor speak when we went to the ER the second time.  

    This time, I was transported to another hospital for an emergency angio and subsequent bypass for my so-called "heartburn."  

    Pretty amazing that I developed a heart condition requiring two surgeries two days after I didn't have a heart condition, eh?

    I remember being really terrified when the surgeon told me there was a 5% chance of dying during the bypass.  She thought I misunderstood, that a 95% chance of living was good, but no... 5% *is* BAD.  I don't normally do things that have a one in twenty chance of killing me!  

    It was much later at home learning about heart disease that I discovered I'd had a 50% chance of dying just from the heart attack itself; sudden death is the first symptom in half of the folks with heart disease.  

    I'm a very lucky chick that my husband isn't currently suing someone for letting me die.

    As the holiday approaches here in the states, I was asked what I am thankful for.  This year, just being alive at all qualifies as something I have profound gratitude for.

  • Dr. Davis

    11/9/2007 12:22:00 PM |

    You are a survivor of a flawed system. To me, even worse than the mis-diagnosis of the ER, is why wasn't your heart disease diagnosed during the DECADE before your heart attack?

    Have you looked at Jenny Ruhl's wonderful Diabetes Update Blog and the associated website? It provides interesting commentary on diabetes, with intelligent nutritional commentary that flies in the face of the idiocy coming from the American Diabetes Association.

  • Dr. Davis

    11/9/2007 12:24:00 PM |

    Summersam--I wonder if you are just among the people who struggle with digestion of fats, regardless of type.

    Paul-Men, 40 and over, women 50 and over, earlier if an outstanding source of risk is present. For other abnormalities seen on heart scans, please refer to my Heart Scan Curiosities posts on this Blog.

  • Anonymous

    11/10/2007 2:05:00 AM |

    can you please comment on the latest study out that says the Ornish diet is best for hesrt disease. I think it ranked south beach and atkins very low. I know Dr. Ornish has a new book out soon "The Spectrum Diet" these findings were presented at the AHA.
    Thoughts?

  • Dr. Davis

    11/10/2007 12:48:00 PM |

    The study I believe you are referring to was a University of Massachusetts rating system, not truly a study. They simply gave grades of presumed health factors, using the so-called "Alternate Healthy Eating Index (AHEI)" that ranks fiber content and other healthy ingredients. It was NOT a real world comparison of diets, nor did it study effects on heart disease. In other words, it was just a speculative discussion.

  • jpatti

    11/10/2007 7:23:00 PM |

    Dr. Mike Eades blogged about the anti-Atkins poster presentation here:
    http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/2007/11/06/does-the-atkins-diet-damage-blood-vessels/

    and here: http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/2007/11/08/more-on-the-low-carb-study-at-the-aha-meeting/

    And I agree, Dr. Davis, Jenny's site and blog (and her previous sites and Usenet posts) are a great resource for diabetics.

  • Richard Poor

    11/25/2007 7:15:00 PM |

    I had 2 CABG and have researched like crazy. Conclusions: we still don't know much. Cytokines & etc. from stress can be lethal regardless. 256 slice CT scan is best test but only one machine in USA. VAP combined with LIPOPRINT best blood tests. Antioxidants understudied. Mainstream medicine is mercenary, more concerned with profit that healing.

  • Dr. Davis

    11/26/2007 12:52:00 AM |

    Hi, Richard--

    I'm afraid you are right. However, I do believe that we still do know a fair amount. I would encourage you to read prior Heart Scan Blog posts, along with the www.trackyourplaque.com website. Our philosophy is that heart disease can be halted or reversed in most people (not all). While not perfect, it is the best approach I am aware of. It is certainly better than the "take Lipitor and pray" mentality of conventional, "mercenary," medicine.

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We got the drug industry we deserve

We got the drug industry we deserve

A biting commentary on just who is writing treatment guidelines for diabetes and cardiovascular disease was published in the British Medical Journal, summarized in theHeart.org's HeartWire here.

"About half the experts serving on the committees that wrote national clinical guidelines for diabetes and hyperlipidemia over the past decade had potential financial conflicts of interest (COI), and about 4% had conflicts that were not disclosed.

"Five of the guidelines did not include a declaration of the panel members' conflicts of interest, but 138 of the 288 panel members (48%) reported conflicts of interest at the time of the publication of the guideline. Eight reported more than one conflict. Of those who declared conflicts, 93% reported receiving honoraria, speaker's fees, and/or other kinds of payments or stock ownership from drug manufacturers with an interest in diabetes or hyperlipidemia, and 7% reported receiving only research funding. Six panelists who declared conflicts were chairs of their committee.

"Of the 73 panelists who had a chance to declare a conflict of interest but declared none, eight had undeclared COI that the researchers identified by searching other sources. Among the 77 panel members who did not have an opportunity to publicly declare COI in the guidelines documents, four were found to have COI.
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The closing quote by Dr. Edwin Gale of the UK is priceless:
"Legislation will not change the situation, for the smart money is always one step ahead. What is needed is a change of culture in which serving two masters becomes as socially unacceptable as smoking a cigarette. Until then, the drug industry will continue to model its behavior on that of its consumers, and we will continue to get the drug industry we deserve."

It's like having Kellogg's tell us what to each for breakfast, or Toyota telling us what car to drive. The sway of the drug industry is huge. Even to this day, I observe colleagues kowtow to the sexy sales rep hawking her wares. But that's the least of it. Far worse, even the "experts" who we had trusted to have objectively reviewed the evidence to help the practitioner on Main Street appears to be little more than a hired lackey for Big Pharma, hoping for that extra few hundred thousand dollars.

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  • Jim Purdy

    10/14/2011 1:36:03 AM |

    I am not a fan of any drugs, and as a result, I change primary care physician regularly, usually after two visits.
    ON THE FIRST VISIT, I explain to the new doctor that I do not, and will not, take prescription medications. I explain that the only reason I am in their office is to get orders for lab work, so that I can review the results and make my own decisions about lifestyle changes, especially diet. The doctor then calls me" non-compliant" and prints numerous computer-generated prescriptions anyway. Obviously, it is the doctor who is non-compliant, since I have already said I do not want drugs.
    ON THE SECOND VISIT, the doctor asks, "Have you been taking your medications as ordered?" When I tell the doctor again, as I did at the first visit, that I do not take medications, the doctor says, "You're crazy and suicidal." I then find the next doctor, and the cycle starts over.
    As I see things, I have two choices when I feel ill:
    1. I could attack my body with some bizarre BigPharma chemicals that our ancestors' bodies have never dealt with in millions of years of evolution (Oxycodone, hydrocodone? Really? Are doctors nuts?).
    2. Or I could get out of the way and let my body heal itself as has been done over many millions of years of evolution. All I want to do is support that process by making sure to give my body the proper nutrition in the form of the appropriate whole foods.

  • Dr. William Davis

    10/14/2011 3:40:23 AM |

    Wow, Jim. Creepy.

    Don't despair: I'm confident that you will eventually find a healthcare practitioner who will act as your advocate, not a provider of drugs. It may take, unfortunately, going through quite a few practitioners before you come on such a person.

  • Suze

    10/19/2011 1:44:46 AM |

    Great post. I am starting to think there are two kinds of people - those who seek drugs and those who run from them. LOL.
    Among other occupations, I am an OR nurse. I have been wined and dined by the best reps ever, to buy their wares for surgery. It's all about the money.The drug companies have a lot to lose if we all quit taking their meds. Which is exactly what I want to do. I do not want to be a slave to a diagnosis and accompanying pill bottle. I want to be freeeeee.
    This is not to say there is a time and place for medicine. There IS. But not for every sniffle.

  • Jeanne

    10/20/2011 11:44:20 AM |

    Boy Suze, I can relate!  I'm a nurse as well and spent lots of years in NICU, but a change to chemical dependancy/psych was eye opening and downright disgusting in the amount of meds handed out.

    I used to ask patients if they were hungry when dispensing a 6oz. Cup FULL of various pills before breakfast!
    Couldn't take it and quit. Couldn't be a party to pharm management over real therapy.  I also take as few pills as possible, especially antibiotics.

  • N

    11/30/2011 6:36:01 PM |

    Hi Doc,

    I just visited my parents, and my mom shared her recent blood work with me.
    Her cholesterol was a mere 210, and her doc (general practitioner), put her on a statin !!!
    I told her about your blog a bit and particle size, but of course she's hesitant since her doctor obviously has more credibility than me.

    Outside of eating better, what next steps should I advise her to take?  She agreed to request a cholesterol particle size test (is there an official name for this?).

  • Dr. William Davis

    12/1/2011 4:22:01 AM |

    Yes, N: Lipoprotein testing, such as NMR Lipoprofile or Atherotech VAP.

    It really shouldn't be that tough, but we are battling the incredible ignorance in the primary care community who is spread too thin to master any one area.

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