"You can't reduce coronary plaque"

"I told my cardiologst that I stumbled on a program called 'Track Your Plaque' that claims to be able to help reduce your coronary calcium score.

"My cardiologist said, 'That's impossible. You cannot reduce coronary plaque. I've never seen anyone reduce a heart scan score."

Who's right here?

The commenter is right; the cardiologist is wrong.

I would predict that the cardiologist is among the conventionally-thinking, "statins drugs are the only solution" group who follows his patients over the years to determine when a procedure is finally "needed." In fact, I know many of these cardiologists personally. The primary care physicians are completely in the dark, usually expressing an attitude of helplessness and submitting to the "wisdom" of their cardiology consultants.

Quantify and work to reduce the atherosclerotic plaque? No way! That's work, requires thinking, some sophisticated testing (like lipoprotein testing), even some new ideas like vitamin D. "They didn't teach that to me in medical school (back in 1980)!"

Welcome to the new age.

Atherosclerotic plaque is 1) measurable, 2) trackable, and 3) can be reduced.

We do it all the time. (Amy still holds our record: 63% reduction in plaque/heart scan score.)

Though I pooh-pooh the value of statin drug studies, there's even data from the conventional statin world documenting coronary plaque reversal. The ASTEROID Trial of rosuvastatin (Crestor), 40 mg per day for one year, demonstrated 7% reduction of atherosclerotic plaque using intracoronary ultrasound.

I have NEVER seen a heart attack or appearance of heart symptoms (angina, unstable angina) in a person who has reversed coronary plaque (unless, of course, they pitched the whole effort and returned to bad habits--that has happened). Stick to the program and coronary risk, for all practical purposes, been eliminated.

A heart scan score is not a death sentence. It is simply a tool to empower your prevention program, a measuring stick to gauge plaque progression, stabilization, or regression. Don't accept anything less.

Comments (9) -

  • Angela

    5/10/2009 3:17:00 PM |

    "They didn't teach that to me in medical school (back in 1980)!"

    Unfortunately vitamin d is not mentioned in med school nowadays except for osteoporosis prevention...

    Dr. Davis -- thank you for your blog. I am a med student interested in REAL evidence based medicine (which makes me a bit unpopular between my teachers).

    I researched vitamin D after reading your blog, and decided to mega-dose on it. It's been 4 weeks now and my "inespecified mood disorder" (never met criteria for depression, but have never been really "well" since I was 16) is GONE. Like a "veil" has fallen or something. PMS is gone as well.Now I have discovered that the periods of my life in which I felt truly well were when I spent outside most of the day (I live in the mediterranean coast).

    I also had a single attack of MS some years ago, so vitamin D will help to prevent full blown multiple sclerosis.

    My comment is in no way related with atherosclerosis, but I just wanted to thank you, and congratulate you for having found a way to help people outside conventional medicine. I feel greatly inspired by your work.

    Regards,

    Angela Nicolas

  • antidrugrep

    5/10/2009 7:59:00 PM |

    "primary care physicians are completely in the dark"

    For the record, we aren't ALL in the dark. In fact, I stumbled across your website a few years ago as I was looking for supportive testimony from other practitioners who saw things clearly. In fact, I watched as you "caught up" with the idea of adding Vitamin K2 to your regimen - presumably based on the results of the 2004 Rotterdam Study.

    I hate to sound defensive, but such a sweeping generalization is uncharacteristically irrational of your posts up to now. Perhaps you haven't known any primary care "grunts" without a cranial suppository.

    Now you know at least one.

  • Kismet

    5/10/2009 9:43:00 PM |

    I guess it's just a matter of time until someone breaks the record again?

    I know you have talked highly of vitamin K2, I'm wondering if you've made it a staple of the TYP program already? I think there's all reason to do so.
    Below two studies using high doses of K1, but it should work via conversion to K2 (the epidemiology of K2 hints at the same phenomenon).

    Am J Clin Nutr. 2009 Apr 22. [Epub ahead of print]
    Vitamin K supplementation and progression of coronary artery calcium in older men and women.
    Shea MK, O'Donnell CJ, Hoffmann U, Dallal GE, Dawson-Hughes B, Ordovas JM, Price PA, Williamson MK, Booth SL.

    One of THE most impressive studies I've ever read:
    Thromb Haemost. 2004 Feb;91(2):373-80.
    Beneficial effects of vitamins D and K on the elastic properties of the vessel wall in postmenopausal women: a follow-up study.
    Braam LA, Hoeks AP, Brouns F, Hamulyák K, Gerichhausen MJ, Vermeer C.

  • pmpctek

    5/11/2009 4:10:00 AM |

    Over the last year, I have seen about a dozen physicians (for a reason other than heart disease).

    Be they a GP, cardiologist, pulmonologist, oncologist, or hematologist, they all tell me the same thing; we all "naturally" develop coronary plague as we age and that it can only be minimally "managed" by lowering our cholesterol with -insert your statin drug here.

    Every time I reply with; there is nothing natural about having calcified plaque build up in our coronary arteries at any age and that it can be very effectively managed by following Dr. Davis' "Track Your Plaque" protocol. (As I pull out your book to show them.)

    The physician then usually looks at me like I have two heads and dismisses me by standing up to signal that the visit is over.  Except for one physician, honestly, who responded by reaching for his script pad and saying that he would like to start me on an antidepressant medication right away... lmao.

    I have now given up looking for any local physician who would be willing to help me in any way with the heart scan/track-your-plaque program.

  • Dr. William Davis

    5/12/2009 1:06:00 AM |

    Antidrugrep--

    Actually, that generalization was intended principally for the sorts of primary care docs who wouldn't read a blog like this. You are clearly the exception.

    If you had responded that most cardiologists are knuckleheads out for a buck, I would have agreed, too.

  • Dr. William Davis

    5/12/2009 1:08:00 AM |

    Kismet--

    Thanks for the references. I hadn't seen the Shea study; the findings are interesting.

    We haven't had enough people have pre-K2 and post-K2 heart scans, so it's hard to know what effect it ADDS to the existing battery of strategies. Nonetheless, K2 is definitely on the list of most promising. Given its benign nature, I do encourage people to add it, though dosing remains entirely uncertain.

  • Anonymous

    6/2/2009 1:25:26 PM |

    I seem to be developing atherosclerosis at age 26 and I've been doing a lot of research. B12 and Vitamin D are related, but you should also be aware of magnesium. See the study at Comparison of Mechanism and Functional Effects of Magnesium and Statin Pharmaceuticals. In this study they basically explain how magnesium works as a natural statin and calcium channel blocker. If you do further research online you may become convinced, as I am, that magnesium deficiency is just as widespread as Vitamin D deficiency.

    You need to take a chelated form of magnesium, such as glycinate, because other forms (like magnesium oxide) are poorly absorbed by the body and not worth the money.

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Fasting and heart disease

Fasting and heart disease

Followers of the Track Your Plaque program know that we advocate periodic fasts to reduce heart disease risk.

I came across an interesting report form an abstract presented at last week's American Heart Association meetings in Orlando:

(Read the report at HeartWire. You will need to register or sign-in.)

In this study, the investigators tried to determine why members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS) tended to have reduced risk of heart disease compared to others in the area but not in the LDS faith. While the reduced risk of heart disease in LDS members had been traditionally attributed to the no smoking policy advocated by the Mormon church, the investigators suspected that there was more to the reduced risk.

Of 515 people interviewed, periodic fasting, whether for religious or other reasons, was found to distinguish people who were less likely to have coronary disease by conventional catheterization (59% vs. 67%). (Since the study was published in only abstract form, it's not clear why all these people underwent heart catheterization in the first place.)

Nonetheless, it's an interesting observation and one consistent with the benefits we see when someone fasts: reduced blood pressure, reduced inflammatory responses, improved lipids and lipoproteins, weight loss.

Fasting can be an especially effective method to gain control over heart disease and coronary plaque if rapid control is desired. In fact, I wonder if the normally year-long process of plaque control that I advocate can be much abbreviated. Fasting, I believe, is a crucial component of rapid control, what I've talked about in Instant Heart Disease Reversal

There's also additional thoughts on fasting in my Heart Scan Blog post, For rapid success, try the "fast" track.

Fasting is not something to fear. It can be an enlightening process that can serve to abruptly sever bad habits, perhaps even turn the clock back on prior dietary and lifestyle excesses. My favorite variation on fasting is to use soy milk (yes, yes, I know! I can already hear the the soy bashers screaming!) as a meal substitute. It is an easy, less dramatic way that still maintains most of the benefit of a full, water-only fast.

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  • Thomas

    11/14/2007 5:20:00 AM |

    I haven't read the article, but I wonder if insulin would be statistically different in a group of periodic fasters than the general pop. I also wonder if running a lower average insulin level makes it relatively easier to fast; those with higher insulin levels might find the food urges too strong to resist, or get other side effects trying to fast.

    Dr. Davis, any thoughts on insulin levels as a reflection of cardiac status, or as a marker of success with dietary changes?

  • Dr. Davis

    11/14/2007 12:54:00 PM |

    I don't know of any direct evidence, but I have seen such phenomena repeatedly in people following heathier diets and exercise programs: a drop in insulin, a drop in blood sugar, parallel with improvements in lipids and lipoproteins.  

    I also don't know if a reduced insulin level per se makes fasting easier, but I do find that people who eat better find it easier. The Twinkies-soda pop set find fasting impossibly difficult and lose interest within a few hours, or simply are terrified of trying due to insatiable hunger.

  • Sue

    11/16/2007 3:30:00 AM |

    Dr Davis,
    Is there another subsitute for soy milk?  Perhaps some kind of protein shake along with the vegie juice will suffice?  Is the fast for 2 days only or can you do it longer?

  • Dr. Davis

    11/16/2007 12:15:00 PM |

    Hi, Sue--

    I fear I've oversimplified just to make a point.

    There are indeed variations of "fasts" such as juice fasts, soy milk fasts, or other severe calorie-restrictions, such as vegetable only diets. Two resources for far more detailed discussion of the how-to's and pitfalls can be found in the www.trackyourplaque.com Special Report, Fasting: Fast Track to Control Plaque, or Dr. Joel Furhman's book, Fasting and Eating for Health.

  • mrfreddy

    11/16/2007 7:18:00 PM |

    I started an intermittent fasting program known as fast-5 (fast-5.com) a couple of months ago. You skip breakfast and lunch-it's tough at first but you really do get used to it-and then have a glorious feast at dinner time. I'm doing it primarily as way to cut down calories while still enjoying great low carb food. The fact that it reduces inflammation, etc. is just a nice bonus!

  • Nancy M.

    11/23/2007 6:09:00 PM |

    Me again, just found this regarding fasting and blood sugar normalization.  I thought you might be interested in it.  It's a fellow with T2 diabetes who lowered his blood sugar with intermittent fasting.

    http://shurie.com/lee/writing_defeat_diabetes.htm

  • Dr. Davis

    11/24/2007 1:07:00 AM |

    Hi, Nancy--

    What an interesting story!

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    10/30/2010 3:44:57 AM |

    Hi. I am trained as food scientist with additional training in exercise physiology. I have decided to go on a 10 day water fast (with vitamins and electrolytes). After 3 days I feel fantastic and am starting to lose the small amount of belly fat. I have absolutely no hunger.

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    It should be remembered that hunter-gathers have highly variable kilojoule intakes varying from periodic gluttony to short periods of near starvation.

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    11/3/2010 2:32:46 PM |

    Nonetheless, it's an interesting observation and one consistent with the benefits we see when someone fasts: reduced blood pressure, reduced inflammatory responses, improved lipids and lipoproteins, weight loss.

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