Can I stop my Coumadin?

Here I go again.

While I will try to keep this blog on topic, i.e., coronary heart disease prevention and reversal using nutritional and other natural strategies, I believe that a "critical mass" of frequently asked, though off topic, questions keep cropping up.

One such question revolves around Coumadin, or warfarin.

Somehow, my Nattokinase scam blog post draws traffic about Coumadin. I tried to make the point that a conventional blood thinning agent like Coumadin that undoubtedly has undesirable side-effects cannot be replaced by an agent that has an uncertain track record. In the case of nattokinase, no track record.

To illustrate how far wrong the "nattokinase as replacement for Coumadin" idea can go, here is a question from Anna:


I came across your blog while perusing.

I am a bit bummed because I have been on Coumadin (warfarin) for around 22 years since I was 6 years old. I have a mechanical heart valve (St. Jude's), as I have heart-related issues, including hypertrophic obstructive cardiomyopathy.

Well, it is just that the warfarin seems to interact with nearly everything. I feel like I can not get the nutrients my body requires. I desire to consume more raw foods and vegan foods, though I do not want anything to damage my heart valve or risk a stroke/heart attack or internal bleeding.

I have been underweight the majority of my life, malnourished , currently am still somewhat underweight, though enjoying food again, as I had what mimicked Crohn's Disease for several years (horrendous pain), from which I am in remission now. I was diagnosed with osteoporosis, which may or may not be caused from consuming warfarin.

Is it possible to get off of warfarin and effectively keep my blood thinned ? I currently take 1.5 mg to 2 mg dosage. Does the warfarin destroy Vitamin K and if so does that mean while on warfarin I never get the Vitamin K nutrients even if I did consume foods with it in it?

Thank you
Anna


No, sorry, Anna. Stopping Coumadin with your unique issues, i.e., a prosthetic mechanical heart valve (likely mitral, judging by your history of hypertrophic obstructive cardiomyopathy, in which the patterns of blood flow ejected from the heart disrupt the natural mitral valve function) and cardiomyopathy, can be fatal. Without blood thinning, the mechanical heart valve can trigger blood clot formation, since it is a foreign object implanted into the bloodstream.

There are no natural alternatives available with track records confident enough to bet your life on. Aspirin nor Plavix are blood thinners, but platelet inhibitors. These two agents, while they work for other forms of arterial (but not venous) blood clot inhibition, will not work for your unique situation.

Likewise, a purported oral lytic agent like nattokinase should not be substituted for Coumadin. Even if there was plausible science behind it, you should demand substantial evidence that it provides at least blood thinning equivalent to Coumadin. Should a blood clot, even a small one, form in or around the prosthetic valve, the valve can stop working within seconds. This can lead to death within minutes.

I believe it would be foolhardy to bet your life based on the marketing--let me repeat: MARKETING--of a "nutritional supplement" by supplement manufacturers eager to make a buck.

Nor are there any other nutritional supplements that can safely replace the Coumadin. I wish that were NOT true, as I am no stranger to the long-term dangers of Coumadin and I am a big believer, in general, in nutritional supplements. I am a BIGGER believer, however, in the truth. Weighing the options available to us today, there really is no rational choice but to remain on Coumadin.

By the way, I tell my patients to eat a substantial amount of green vegetables while they take Coumadin. I know that conventional advice is to reduce or eliminate green vegetables due to their content of Coumadin-antagonizing vitamin K. I think this is wrong, also. Green vegetables are the best foods on earth. They reduce risk for cancer, diabetes, bone disease, and coronary heart disease.

To obtain the benefits of green vegetables without mucking up your blood thinning (your "protime" or International Normalized Ratio, INR), I advise my patients who take Coumadin to eat green vegetables--but do so every day in relatively consistent quantities, so that the protime or INR is not disrupted and remains reasonably constant. It may mean that your total dose of Coumadin may be somewhat higher, e.g., 3 or 4 mg instead of 2 mg, but the dose is immaterial outside of blood thinning. That way, you obtain all the wonderful health benefits of green vegetables while maintaining fairly consistent blood thinning/protime/INR. Coumadin does not block all the health benefits of vegetables, only those related to vitamins K1 and K2.

With regards to protecting yourself from the osteoporosis promoting effects of Coumadin, I would be sure to follow a program of natural bone health, such as the one I discussed in Homegrown osteoporosis prevention and reversal. You will have to be extra careful, however, with the vitamin K2. Ideally, you have a doctor knowledgeable about vitamin K2 who can assist you in managing K2 intake while on Coumadin. This is something you can definitely NOT manage on your own. (I am a big believer in self-managed care, but this is way beyond the limit.)

Lastly, it is my belief that anyone with an inflammatory bowel condition, such as Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis, should absolutely, positively, and meticulously AVOID WHEAT and all other gluten sources (such as rye, barley, and oats). Even if you test negative for celiac markers (e.g., anti-gliadin antibodies, emdomysium and transglutaminase antibodies), the enhanced intestinal permeability will allow wheat proteins, such as gluten, to gain ready entry into the bloodstream. Not to mention that wheat should have no place in the human diet anyway, in my view.

Homegrown osteoporosis prevention and reversal

I don't like to stray too far off course from discussions of heart disease and related issues in this blog. But the question of bone health comes up so often that I thought I'd discuss the strategies available to everybody to stop, even reverse, osteoporosis.

Coronary atherosclerotic plaque and bone health are intimately interwoven. People who have coronary plaque usually have osteoporosis; people who have osteoporosis usually have coronary plaque. (The association is strongest in females.) The worse the osteoporosis, the greater the quantity of coronary plaque, and vice versa. The two seemingly unconnected conditions share common causes and thereby respond to similar treatments.

Incredibly, rarely will your doctor tell you about these strategies. Your doctor orders a bone density test, the value shows osteopenia or osteoporosis, and a drug like Fosamax or Boniva is prescribed. As many people are learning, drugs like this can be associated with severe side-effects, such as jaw necrosis (death of the jaw bone), a dangerous and disfiguring condition that leads to loss of teeth and disfigurement, followed by reconstructive surgery of the jaw and face. These are not trivial effects.

Note that drugs are approved by the FDA based on assessment of efficacy and safety, NOT proven equivalence or superiority to natural treatments.

In order of importance (greatest to least), here are strategies that I believe are important to regain or maintain bone health. Indeed, I have seen many women increase bone density using these strategies . . . without drugs of any sort.

1) Vitamin D restoration--Vitamin D is the most important control factor over bone calcium metabolism, as well as parathyroid function. As readers of this blog already know, gelcap forms of vitamin D work best, aiming for a 25-hydroxy vitamin level of 60-70 ng/ml. This usually requires 6000 units per day, though there is great individual variation in need.

2) Vitamin K2--If you lived in Japan, you would be prescribed vitamin K2. While it's odd that K2 is a "drug" in Japan, it means that it enjoys the validation required for approval through their FDA-equivalent. Prescription K2 (as MK-4 or menatetranone) at doses of 15,000-45,000 mcg per day (15-45 mg), improves bone architecture, even when administered by itself. However, K2 works best when part of a broader program of bone health. I advise 1000 mcg per day, preferably a mixture of the short-acting MK-4 and long-acting MK-7. (Emerging data measuring bone resorption markers suggest that lower doses may work nearly as well as the high-dose prescription.)

3) Magnesium--I generally advise supplementation with the well-absorbed forms, magnesium glycinate (400 mg twice per day) or magnesium malate (1200 mg twice per day). Because they are well-absorbed, they are least likely to lead to diarrhea (as magnesium oxide commonly does).

4) Alkaline potassium salts--Potassium as the bicarbonate or the citrate, i.e., alkalinizing forms, are wonderfully effective for preservation or reversal of bone density. Because potassium in large doses is potentially fatal, over-the-counter supplements contain only 99 mg potassium per capsule. I have patients take two capsules twice per day, provided kidney function is normal and there is no history of high potassium.

5) An alkalinizing diet--Animal products are acidic, vegetables and fruits are alkaline. Put them together and you should obtain a slightly net alkaline body pH that preserves bone health. Throw grains like wheat, carbonated soft drinks, or other acids into the mix and you shift the pH balance towards net acid. This powerfully erodes bone. Therefore, avoid grains and never consume carbonated soft drinks. (Readers of this blog know that "healthy, whole grains" should be included in the list of Scams of the Century, along with Bernie Madoff and mortgage-backed securities.)

6) Strength training--Bone density follows muscle mass. Restoring youthful muscle mass with strength training can increase bone density over time. The time and energy needs are modest, e.g., 20 minutes twice per week.

Note that calcium may or may not be on the list. If on the list at all, it is dead last. When vitamin D has been restored, intestinal absorption of calcium is as much as quadrupled. The era of force-feeding high-doses of calcium are long-gone. In fact, calcium supplementation in the age of vitamin D can lead to abnormal high calcium blood levels and increased heart attack risk.

These are benign and easily incorporated strategies. They are also inexpensive. I challenge any drug to match or exceed the benefits of this combination of strategies. Keep in mind that strategies like vitamin D restoration provide an extensive panel of health benefits that range far beyond bone health, an effect definitely NOT shared by prescription drugs.

Your enlarged aorta

The thoracic aorta lives happily within the chest.

The aorta is the main artery of the body that emerges from the heart, located just under the sternum. It is the "tree trunk" from which all the major arteries branch off to the rest of the body: the arms, brain, abdominal organs, pelvis, and legs. The aorta receives the high-pressure blood ejected directly out of the heart muscle.

However, there are evil forces in the body that work to weaken the aorta. When the aorta is weakened, it enlarges. Enlarged aortas also tend to grow atherosclerotic plaque. Plaque in the aorta poses long-term risk for stroke and and mini-strokes ("transient ischemic attacks," or TIAs), due to fragmentation.

There are many enlarged aortas in this world. I see at least several every week. It is fairly common, particularly in people with high blood pressure and cholesterol abnormalities, as well as those who are overweight. Smokers get it really bad.

Conventional thinking is that, once an aorta enlarges, it will inevitably continue to enlarge at the average rate of 2.0 mm per year (resulting in 1.0 cm enlargement over 5 years). For this reason, conventional discussions on the topic of thoracic aortic aneurysms all say something like "Enlarged aortas should be monitored yearly. Surgical replacement should proceed when the aorta reaches a diameter of 5.5 cm."

This is because an aortic diameter of 5.5 cm is associated with much greater likelihood that the aorta will rupture (fatal within minutes) or the internal lining will tear, a "dissection." The surgery is a major undertaking that involves opening the chest and usually replacing the aortic valve and inserting a synthetic aorta. The procedure is high-risk, especially if any branch arteries are involved.

So putting a stop to any further aortic enlargement is a worthwhile goal. Unfortunately, conventional thought is that there is nothing you can do to stop the inevitable growth of the thoracic aorta.

Nonsense. There are a number of efforts you can make to halt further increase in aortic diameter. (My experience in this is anecdotal and unpublished, but now numbers several hundred patients.)

There are two categories of factors that cause the aorta to increase in diameter:

1) Internal pressure--Think of blood pressure as the internal inflating pressure on this "balloon." Keeping the "inflating pressure," i.e., blood pressure, low exerts substantial effect on slowing growth of aortic diameter. I aim for normal BP or lowish BP (less than 130/80, preferably 100/70).

2) Factors that weaken the aortic wall--Processes like inflammation, glycation, lipoprotein deposition, and nutritional deficiencies will serve to weaken the supportive tissue of the aorta. For that reason, correction of lipoprotein abnormalities (e.g., small LDL and lipoprotein(a)), reductions in carbohydrate intake and thereby blood glucose/glycation, and "normalization" of vitamin D, vitamin C supplementation (for collagen crosslinking), and omega-3 fatty acids all play a role.

To push even farther, there may be additional advantage to following strategies that impair the production and activity of a crucial enzyme that lives within the aortic wall: matrix metalloproteinase, or MMP. MMP degrades the collagen and other supportive tissues within the aorta, weakening it and permitting expansion. Blocking MMP may prove to be among the most powerful new strategies to halt aortic expansion.

Compounds that have potential MMP-inhibiting effects include:
--Vitamin D--A substantial effect
--Resveratrol--One of the polyphenols from red wine
--Doxycycline--This old antibiotic often used for acne treatment has, in preliminary studies, shown important MMP-blocking effects and slowed aortic expansion.

Anyway, there you have it. A bit complicated, but a "recipe" that has failed me only rarely.

Extreme carbohydrate intolerance

Here's an interesting example of what you might call "extreme carbohydrate intolerance."

May is a 44-year woman who has now had her 7th stent placed in her coronary arteries. She lives on a diet dominated by breads, breakfast cereals, muffins, rice, corn products, along with some real foods.

Her conventional lipid panel and other lab values:

Total cholesterol 346 mg/dl
Triglycerides: 877 mg/dl
HDL cholesterol: 22 mg/dl
LDL cholesterol: incalculable
(Recall that LDL cholesterol is usually a calculated, not a measured value. The excessively high triglycerides make the standard calculation invalid--more invalid than usual.)

Fasting blood glucose: 210 mg/dl
HbA1c (a reflection of previous 60-90 days average glucose): 7.2% (desirable 4.5% or less)
ALT (a "liver enzyme"): 438 (about five-fold normal)


At 5 ft even and 138 lbs (BMI 27.0), May appears small. But the modest excess weight is all concentrated in her abdomen, i.e., in visceral fat.

By lipoprotein analysis via NMR (Liposcience), May's LDL particle number was 2912 nmol/L, or what I would call a "true" LDL of 291 mg/dl. (Drop the last digit.) Of the 2912 nmol/L LDL particles, 2678 nmol/L, or 92%, were small.

The bad news: This pattern of extremely high triglycerides, extremely high LDL particle number, low HDL, predominant small LDL, and diabetes poses high-risk for heart disease--no surprise. It earned her 7 stents so far. (Unfortunately, she has made no effort whatsoever to correct these patterns, despite repeated advice to do so.)

The good news: This collection is wonderfully responsive to diet. LDL particle number, small LDL, triglycerides, blood glucose, and HbA1c drop dramatically, while HDL increases. Heart disease will at least slow, if not stop.

It's amazing how far off human metabolism can go while indulging in carbohydrates, particularly a genetically carbohydrate-intolerance person. (Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if May's diet, as bad as it seems to you and me, still fits within the dictates of the USDA food pyramid.) The crucial step in diet to correct this smorgasbord of disaster is elimination of carbohydrates, especially that from wheat, cornstarch, and sugars.

What's for breakfast? Egg bake

Heart Scan Blog reader and dietitian, Lisa Grudzielanek, provided this recipe in response to the post, What's for breakfast?

Lisa, by the way, is one of the rare dietitians who understands that organizations like the American Dietetic Association have made themselves irrelevant. She therefore advocates diet principles that work, not just echoing the idiocy that emanates from such organizations, often driven by economics more than science. Lisa works in the Milwaukee area and has proven a useful resource person for my patients who have required extra coaching in the Track Your Plaque diet principles.

Egg Bake
My favorite breakfast is what I call an "egg bake." Others may refer to it as a "quiche."

Take a variety of fresh vegetables. This time of year is great for farmers' markets.

I typically use fresh chopped organic spinach, bell peppers, red & white onions, scallions, broccoli, mushrooms, cherry tomatoes halved and, if desired, meat (nitrite-free ham or leftover chicken breasts).

1) Chop veggies and place in casserole dish.
2) Add meat and handful of cheese of your choice.
3) Scramble 8 eggs & little bit of milk & pepper.
4) Add to casserole dish and mix/coat veggies with egg mixture.
5) Put in oven at 450 degress for 30 minutes.

Yummy, ready to eat breakfast that is so easy for the work week.

What's for breakfast?

If you eliminate wheat from breakfast and otherwise adhere to a low-carbohydrate dietary approach, what is there to eat for breakfast?

If you take out English muffins, bagels, all breakfast cereals, pancakes, waffles, and toast, what's left to eat?

Actually, there's plenty left to eat. It just may not look like the traditional American notion of "breakfast." (The traditional idea of breakfast was is, in part, due to the legacy of Dr. John Harvey Kellogg, who, in the latter part of the 19th century, ran a sanitarium in Battle Creek Michigan. He and his brother, Will Keith Kellogg, discovered the idea of turning grains into flakes, the birth of the breakfast cereal. Subscribe to the idea of breakfast cereal for breakfast and you subscribe to the ideas of a man who would administer four enemas for you today to cure your cancer or rheumatism.)

Here are a few ideas. By no means is this meant to be a comprehensive list, just a starting point for a few new breakfast food ideas.

--Eggs--Of course, eat the yolk. Eat three yolks. Scrambled, "fried," (not really deep-fried, of course), hard-boiled, poached, as an omelette. Add pesto, olive oil, vegetables, mushrooms, salsa.

--Ground flaxseed--As a hot cereal with your choice of water, milk (not my favorite because of insulin effects; the fat is immaterial), full-fat soy milk (yeah, yeah, I know), unsweetened almond milk. Add walnuts, blueberries, etc. Ground flaxseed is the only grain I know of that contains no digestible carbohydrates.

--Lunch and dinner--Yes, if you cannot have breakfast foods for breakfast, then have lunch and dinner, meaning incorporating foods you ordinarily regard as lunch and dinner foods into your day's first meal. This means salads, leftover chicken from last night, soup, raw vegetables dipped in hummus or guacamole, stir fry, etc.

--Cheese--For something quick, grab a chunk of gouda or emmentaler along with a handful of raw almonds, walnuts, or pecans. Because of the excess acidity of cheese (along with meats, among the most acidifying of foods), I usually try to include something like a raw pepper or avocado, foods that are net alkaline.

--Avocados--Cut in half, scoop out contents. They're quick and delicious, when available.

I hesitate to mention it, but I sometimes will have tofu, cubed and flavored with whatever is available--soy sauce, miso, pickled vegetables. My mother was Japanese, so I'm comfortable with this, though many people are not.

Anyway, that's a partial list that nonetheless can get you started on a wheat-free, low-carb breakfast.

If you are just starting out, you will notice a number of fundamental changes. You may first experience the characteristic "withdrawal" effect: mental fog and fatigue that lasts about a week. Energy then picks up, often substantially. This is followed by gradually reduced appetite: You will be far less hungry. You will require less food, less often, since appetite will be driven by physiologic need, not the appetite-stimulating properties of wheat (and cornstarch, high-fructose cornsyrup and sucrose).

By the way, do not skip breakfast unless it's part of an occasional fasting effort. Skip breakfast, wind down metabolism, get fat. I am impressed at how consistent skipping breakfast backfires in those who think that it helps you control weight.

I also welcome any suggestions on what you eat as part of your wheat-free, low-carb breakfast. (Thanks for the great suggestions on the last blog post, Anna.)

Wheat hip

You've heard of wheat belly. How about wheat hip?

Recall that the innocent appearing wheat belly is actually a hotbed of inflammatory activity beneath the surface. The visceral fat of the wheat belly, i.e., fat kidneys, fat liver, fat intestines, fat pancreas, produces abnormal inflammatory signals, such as various interleukins, tumor necrosis factor, and leptin. These are the inflammatory signals that create insulin resistance and diabetes, heart disease, hypertension, and cancer.

These same inflammatory mediators are able to enter the joint spaces, such as those in your hips, knees, and hands. This leads to osteoarthritis, the exceptionally common form of arthritis that affects 1 in 7 Americans. In particular, the level of leptin in joints mirrors that in blood, a phenomenon that has been associated with joint destruction.

The previously widely-held notion that arthritis is simply a wear-and-tear phenomenon due to the mechanical stress of excess weight is proving to be an oversimplification. Arthritis is also part of the carbohydrate-driven, weight-increasing, inflammatory condition of insulin resistance or metabolic syndrome.

Throw into this cytokine storm the fact that glycation, i.e., glucose modification of proteins, also causes cartilage destruction. The cells of human cartilage lack the ability to divide, so the cartilage cells you had at age 18 are the cartilage cells that you will hopefully still have at age 80. However, high blood sugars (glucose) glycate the proteins in cartilage. (Wheat raises blood glucose higher than almost all other foods, higher than a Milky Way bar, higher than a Snickers bar.) The process is irreversible and cumulative. Because cartilage has next to no capacity for repair or regeneration, it becomes brittle. Over years, it essentially crumbles, leading to the "bone on bone" that prompts conversations about total hip and total knee replacement.

So that ciabatta or blueberry muffin in your mouth takes you a step or two closer to joint destruction via heightened inflammation arising from the visceral fat of the wheat belly, worsened by glycation of high blood sugars after carbohydrate consumption.

My solution: Lose the ciabatta.

Men's lingerie is on the second floor

Consume wheat products, like poppyseed muffins, raisin bagels, and whole grain bread, and you trigger the 90- to 120-minute glucose-insulin cycle.

Blood glucose goes way up (more than almost any other known food), triggering insulin release from the pancreas. Glucose enters cells as a result, blood glucose plummets. You get hungry, shaky, and crabby, reach for another wheat or other sugar-generating food to start the roller coaster ride all over again.

Repetitive insulin triggering grows this thing I call a "wheat belly," the protuberant, hang-over-the-belt fat you see everywhere nowadays. Wheat belly fat is really visceral fat. Visceral fat means you have fat kidneys, fat intestines, fat pancreas, and fat liver, all causing the belly to protrude in the familiar way we've all come to recognize.

Visceral fat is special fat. Unlike the fat in the backside, thighs, or arms, visceral fat triggers inflammatory responses that are evident in such measures as tumor necrosis factor, interleukins, and leptin, as well as drops in the protective hormone, adiponectin.

Visceral fat also, oddly, triggers estrogen release. Estrogen triggers growth of breast tissue. That's why females with wheat bellies have up to four-fold (400%) greater likelihood of breast cancer.

Men also experience excess estrogen from the visceral fat wheat belly, causing "man boobs." This B-cup phenomenon means that inflammation is raging beneath the surface, all due to this thing you're wearing around your waist.

I wasn't aware until recently that male breast reduction surgery is a booming business growing at double-digit rates. So are special clothes to help men conceal their expansive breasts.

Perhaps the USDA is in cahoots with Playtex.

10,000 units of vitamin D

Joanne started with a 25-hydroxy vitamin D level of 23 ng/ml--severe deficiency.

What made this starting value even worse was that it was drawn in August after a moderately sunny summer spent outdoors. (Last summer, not this summer.) It therefore represented her high for the year, since vitamin D levels trend lower as fall and winter set in. This suggests that her winter level was likely in the teens or even single digits. In addition, note that, at age 43, Joanne has lost much of her ability to activate vitamin D in the skin.

So I advised that she take 6000 units of an oil-based gelcap per day, a dose likely to generate the desired blood level, which I believe is 60-70 ng/ml.

Four months later, her 25-hydroxy vitamin D level: 39.9 ng/ml--still too low. So I advised her to increase her dose to 10,000 units per day. Several months later, her 25-hydroxy vitamin D level: 63.8 ng/ml--perfect.

However, on hearing that she was taking 10,000 units vitamin D per day, Joanne's primary care physician was shocked: "What? Stop that immediately! You're taking a toxic dose!" So Joanne called me to find out if this was true.

No, of course it's not true. It's not the dose that's toxic, but the blood level it generates. Although it varies, vitamin D toxicity, as evidenced by increased blood calcium levels, generally does not even begin to get underway until at least 120-130 ng/ml, perhaps higher. Rarely, a dose of 2000 units per day will generate a level this high. In others, it may require 24,000 or more units per day to generate such a high level.

So it's not the dose that's toxic, but the blood level of 25-hydroxy vitamin D it generates.

Provided you and/or your doctor are monitoring 25-hydroxy vitamin D blood levels, the dose is immaterial. It's the blood level you're interested in.
Vitamin D: Treatment for metabolic syndrome?

Vitamin D: Treatment for metabolic syndrome?

Metabolic syndrome is that increasingly common collection of low HDL cholesterol, high triglycerides, high blood sugar, and high pressure that now afflicts nearly 1 in 4 adults, rapidly gaining ground to 1 in 3. Beyond these surface factors, metabolic syndrome also creates small LDL particles, VLDL, intermediate-density lipoproteins (IDL), increased imperceptible inflammation measured as higher c-reactive protein, and greater blood clotting tendencies. Metabolic syndrome is usually, though not always, associated with a big tummy ("beer belly," though I call it "wheat belly").

In short, metabolic syndrome creates a metabolic mess that leads to dramatic increases in heart disease, vascular disease and stroke, and cancer. The medical community has been paying increasingly greater attention to this condition because of its booming prevalence and because of the big bucks invested in "education" by the manufacturers of the diabetes and pre-diabetes drugs, particularly makers of Actos and Avandia.

But here's a curious observation:

Replacement of vitamin D to healthy levels (we aim for 50-60 ng/ml, or 125-150 nmol/l) yields:

--Higher HDL
--Lower triglycerides
--Lower blood sugar
--Reduced c-reactive protein
--Reduced blood pressure
--Reduced small LDL
--Enhanced sensitivity to insulin

(Whether blood clotting and effects on IDL should be added to this list is uncertain.)

It's obvious: Vitamin D is proving to be a very important and powerful corrective influence on many of the facets of the metabolic syndrome. In fact, I would go as far as saying that, side by side, vitamin D yields nearly the same effect as prescription drugs Actos and Avandia--without the extravagant cost (nearly $200 per month), leg swelling, congestive heart failure and heightened heart attack risk (with Avandia), and average 8 lb weight gain. Of course, vitamin D also provides benefits beyond metabolic syndrome like facilitation of coronary plaque regression, increased bone density, reduced arthritis, and reduced risk of several cancers.

You'd think that agencies like the American Diabetes Association (ADA) would be all over vitamin D like white on rice. Yet they remain curiously quiet about the entire issue. (That should come as no surprise to anyone familiar with the behavior and politics of this organization, the same outfit that has widely propagated the ADA diet, a program that accelerates diabetes and its complications. In my view, the ADA is an embarassment.)



For a really great story and video on vitamin D that includes a terrific interview with vitamin D guru and Track Your Plaque friend, California psychiatrist Dr. John Cannell, go to What's the Real Story on Vitamin D?. While the video will yield little new to readers of The Heart Scan Blog or Track Your Plaque members, it just feels really good to see a well-made, high-class video production echoing many of the things we've been talking about these past two years.

Comments (44) -

  • Anonymous

    12/21/2007 5:52:00 PM |

    > Whether blood clotting and effects on IDL
    >should be added to this list is uncertain.

    Meaningless anecdote: I've noticed an increased tendency to bruise easily since I've been taking higher doses of vitamin D, and had been wondering whether it was the cause. I definitely have metabolic syndrome.

  • mo79uk

    12/21/2007 7:36:00 PM |

    I wish Dr. Cannell would come talk the British media. We need a tank load of D talk to infiltrate here.

  • Mike

    12/22/2007 3:49:00 PM |

    An irrational fear of skin cancer prevents most people from getting their vitamin D from sunshine. The doses that the medical establishment recommends are so small as to be almost worthless.

  • MarilynMann

    12/22/2007 10:36:00 PM |

    It would be helpful if you could tell us where the research on vitamin D you are referring to is published.  Some of us like to go to the original source.

  • Dr. Davis

    12/23/2007 12:38:00 AM |

    See our special reports on the Track Your Plaque website with detailed references. Or, go to Dr. John Cannell's www.vitamindcouncil.com website.

  • Sue

    12/23/2007 2:38:00 AM |

    Is cod liver oil the best way to get vitamin D or just vitamin D3 capsules?
    Is there are connection with hypothyroidism and low vitamin D levels?

  • Dr. Davis

    12/23/2007 1:57:00 PM |

    Either source for vitamin D works.

    I do believe that correction of vitamin D has, in occasional instances, modestly increased thyroid function.

  • MarilynMann

    12/23/2007 3:45:00 PM |

    Cod liver oil has a lot of vitamin A, which in excess can lead to low bone density.  It is better just to take the vitamin D by itself.

  • g

    12/23/2007 9:20:00 PM |

    I agree -- over 20yrs ago it was suggested that increased thyroid doses are required in the winter time for hypothyroid pts on replacement (see below). IT sure seems to suggest that Vitamin D deficiency exacerbates hypothyroidism (and I'd go as far to say it even CAUSES it)?  I've observed this as well. (it's corrected with D3)

    In the second study, a corollary phenomenon occurred -- thyroid replacement in hypothyroid pts caused 25(OH)D to INCREASE (in the autumn when you'd normally expect it to decrease).  

    Isn't it fascinating how thyroid hormone and D3 hormone are interrelated.
    ---When D3 hormone (sunlight) is lacking, thyroid function suffers
    ---When thyroid hormone is lacking, a high D3 dose fails to increase 25(OH)D much....
    ---When thyroid hormone is NOT lacking, high dose D3 causes a large increase in 25(OH)D (in normal euthryoid controls)

    it all sounds very familiar to me...  Smile

    THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK AND INSIGHTS!! Keep up the strong work, g


    Metabolism. 1984 Mar;33(3):215-8. Links
    Is it necessary to adjust the replacement dose of thyroid hormone to the season in patients with hypothyroidism?Hamada N, Ohno M, Morii H, Jaeduk N, Yamakawa J, Inaba M, Ikeda S, Wada M.
    Hypothalamo-pituitary-thyroid activity varies with the temperature of the environment; we therefore measured variables involved with thyroid function in summer and winter in normal controls and in patients with primary hypothyroidism. All seven patients had impalpable thyroid glands and had received a set replacement dose of thyroxine for over a year. In the patients, serum T3 and FT4 levels were slightly but significantly lower in winter, and TSH levels and delta TSH at 30 minutes in the TRH tests were significantly higher. In the controls, there were no significant differences between summer and winter in these values. These findings suggest that the dose required for replacement of thyroid hormone in patients with hypothyroidism may be higher in winter than in summer.

    PMID: 6420646 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



    Acta Endocrinol (Copenh). 1986 Nov;113(3):329-34.Links
    Effect of vitamin D3 loading and thyroid hormone replacement therapy on the decreased serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D level in patients with hypothyroidism.Bársony J, Lakatos P, Földes J, Fehér T.
    Twelve hypothyroid subjects, 13 healthy and 12 healthy women with a slight deficiency of vitamin D were studied to distinguish seasonal changes from the thyroxine-dependent ones. Serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels of hypothyroid patients were lower than those of healthy individuals when the sera were obtained in the autumn. In hypothyroid patients a single oral dose of 100,000 IU vitamin D3 resulted in a smaller increase in 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentration than in controls having subclinical exogenous vitamin D deficiency. Substitution therapy with thyroid hormone, started in our study always in autumn, increased the 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentration in hypothyroid patients, which was opposite to the autumn-to-spring variation of this hormone observed in healthy controls. The increase of 25-hydroxyvitamin D, dehydroepiandrosterone and its sulphate values following substitution therapy in the hypothyroid patients may indicate that thyroid hormone(s) is (are) involved in the regulation of steroid hormone synthesis.

    PMID: 3024434 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

  • g

    12/23/2007 9:32:00 PM |

    This is very hopeful...Vitamin D3 stalls thyroid cancer, one case report:

    Endocr J. 2005 Oct;52(5):613-6. Links
    Vitamin D3 treatment for locally advanced thyroid cancer: a case report.Morishita M, Ohtsuru A, Kumagai A, Namba H, Sato N, Hayashi T, Yamashita S.
    Department of Molecular Medicine, Atomic Bomb Disease Institute, Nagasaki University Graduate School of Biomedical Sciences, Japan.

    There are many intricacies in the surgical treatment of locally advanced thyroid cancer, including the medical management of the remaining functional organ and any cosmetic impairments, which are sometimes very difficult to manage and eventually carry a relatively high morbidity and mortality. Here, we report on a case of a 65-year-old female with an extremely locally-advanced thyroid cancer involving both lobes of the thyroid, blood vessels, trachea and esophagus. Despite the severity of her condition, oral administration of vitamin D3 (alphacalcido) has stalled both the tumor growth and further increases of serum thyroglobulin (Tg) level, and has led to a good preservation of quality of life for the last two years. Several reports have previously demonstrated the efficacy of vitamin D3 to inhibit the proliferation of thyroid cancer cell lines in vitro, but clinical evidence has been limited so far. Therefore, this case report provides important evidence for the effectiveness of vitamin D3 therapy against advanced thyroid cancers.

    PMID: 16284441 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

  • g

    12/23/2007 9:42:00 PM |

    Another good story... 3mon old child with depressed thyroid function, CHF and profound Vitamin D deficiency in Oslo, Norway -- corrected with a Vit D analogue:

    Acta Paediatr. 1995 Jan;84(1):106-8
    Congestive heart failure caused by vitamin D deficiency?Brunvand L, Hågå P, Tangsrud SE, Haug E.
    Department of Paediatrics, Ullevål Hospital, Oslo, Norway.

    We describe a child, 3.5 months old, with severe vitamin D deficiency, profound hypocalcaemia, hyperphosphataemia, dilated left ventricle, severely reduced myocardial contractility and congestive heart failure. She also had depressed thyroid function with subnormal thyroxine and non-detectable serum thyrotropin (TSH) levels. The child promptly responded to calcium infusions, conventional anticongestive therapy and calcitriol. She is now 3 years old and received no medication. Myocardial function is normal but she has motor delay. We believe that her transitory congestive heart failure was caused by severe vitamin D deficiency with profound hypocalcaemia.

    PMID: 7734890 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

  • Dr. Davis

    12/23/2007 11:31:00 PM |

    Thanks, Marilyn. You're absolutely right.

    In all honesty, I virtually never use cod liver oil, but for some reason some people gravitate towards it, perhaps since they took it as children.

  • Jerome

    12/24/2007 1:55:00 PM |

    I went to a local vitamin supplier yesterday to get some Vitamin D after reading your blog, which is most interesting I might add.  At this store they had Vitamin D2 and D3 but no D1.  Is there such a thing (D1) and which is the one I should be taking to benefit as suggested in the blog?

  • Dr. Davis

    12/24/2007 4:59:00 PM |

    Hi, Jerome--

    Vitamin D3 is the only form I recommend. In my view, vitamin D2 is a worthless scam, whether it's in milk, a multivitamin, or a prescription product. I've never heard of vit D1.

  • jpatti

    12/24/2007 4:59:00 PM |

    I liked the *idea* of cod liver oil, as it would replace both fish oil and vitamin D tablets - a total of 8 pills in my 26-pill regimen.

    I bought what was supposed to be one of the best tasting ones and... it made me retch.  It also sort of tingles in your mouth.  And because it's oily, you can't rinse it out of your mouth.  It's just icky.

    I gave some to the cats, figuring it would be a healthy snack for them... and all four of them refused it.

    If someone can get it down, I think it's great stuff.  For me, I'll stick to the extra 8 pills...

  • Sue

    12/25/2007 2:20:00 AM |

    Thanks for all the helpful comments.  I've got cod liver oil in the fridge so I think I will use it up and then get D3 capsules.
    I take the cod liver oil with lemon juice.  I put the cod-liver oil in a little shot glass and squeeze some fresh lemon into the shot glass aswell and drink it in one swoop.  I then wash it down with some water with fresh lemon squeezed into it.  Gets rid of some of the icky fishy taste. The lemon also helps with digesting the fat.

  • cheron

    12/27/2007 7:19:00 AM |

    I wouldn't necessarily be afraid of the A, as we can be deficient in the A as well.  Perhaps alternating between A-containing and A-less forms of D supplements would work.  That way you get a vacation from the A periodically.

    As for surviving the fish taste...try following it up with a bite of something else that's strong tasting and contains fat, like cured olives or a tuna salad sandwich.

  • Anonymous

    1/1/2008 11:37:00 AM |

    Hi Dr. Davis,

    Have you seen literature making a connection to the plaque linked to Alzheimer's disease with the plaque responsible for heart disease?  I was asked this question by a distant cousin yesterday that wondered if the supplements recommended for TYP ,like vitamin D and K2, could help prevent those at risk for Alzheimer's (his grandmother, and mother both came down with Alzheimer's)

  • Dr. Davis

    1/1/2008 2:37:00 PM |

    No, sorry, they are two completely unrelated phenomena, despite the use of the word "plaque" to describe both.

  • MarilynMann

    1/1/2008 11:31:00 PM |

    Fish oil benefits
    Medical Research News
    Published: Sunday, 30-Dec-2007  

    It's good news that we are living longer, but bad news that the longer we live, the better our odds of developing late-onset Alzheimer's disease.
    Many Alzheimer's researchers have long touted fish oil, by pill or diet, as an accessible and inexpensive "weapon" that may delay or prevent this debilitating disease. Now, UCLA scientists have confirmed that fish oil is indeed a deterrent against Alzheimer's, and they have identified the reasons why.

    Reporting in the current issue of the Journal of Neuroscience, now online, Greg Cole, professor of medicine and neurology at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA and associate director of UCLA's Alzheimer Disease Research Center, and his colleagues report that the omega-3 fatty acid docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) found in fish oil increases the production of LR11, a protein that is found at reduced levels in Alzheimer's patients and which is known to destroy the protein that forms the "plaques" associated with the disease.

    The plaques are deposits of a protein called beta amyloid that is thought to be toxic to neurons in the brain, leading to Alzheimer's. Since having high levels of LR11 prevents the toxic plaques from being made, low levels in patients are believed to be a factor in causing the disease.

    Alzheimer's is a debilitating neurodegenerative disease that causes memory loss, dementia, personality change and ultimately death. The national Alzheimer's Association estimates that 5.1 million Americans are currently afflicted with the disease and predicts that the number may increase to between 11 million and 16 million people by the year 2050.

    The researchers examined the effects of fish oil, or its component DHA, in multiple biological systems and administered the oil or fatty acid by diet and by adding it directly to neurons grown in the laboratory.

    "We found that even low doses of DHA increased the levels of LR11 in rat neurons, while dietary DHA increased LR11 in brains of rats or older mice that had been genetically altered to develop Alzheimer's disease," said Cole, who is also associate director of the Geriatric Research Center at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center.

    To show that the benefits of DHA were not limited to nonhuman animal cells, the researchers also confirmed a direct impact of DHA on human neuronal cells in culture as well. Thus, high levels of DHA leading to abundant LR11 seem to protect against Alzheimer's, Cole said, while low LR11 levels lead to formation of the amyloid plaques.

    Fish oil and its key ingredient, omega-3 fatty acids (found in fatty fish like salmon), have been a mainstay of alternative health practitioners for years and have been endorsed by the American Heart Association to reduce the risk of cardiovascular disease.

    Fatty acids like DHA are considered "essential" fatty acids because the body cannot make them from other sources and must obtain them through diet. Years of research have shown that DHA is the most abundant essential fatty acid in the brain, Cole said, and that it is critical to fetal and infant brain development. Studies have also linked low levels of DHA in the brain to cognitive impairment and have shown that lower levels may increase oxidative stress in the brains of Alzheimer's patients.

    Based on the positive results, the National Institutes of Health is currently conducting a large-scale clinical trial with DHA in patients with established Alzheimer's disease. For those patients, Cole said, it may be too late in the disease's progression for DHA to have much effect. But he is hopeful that the NIH will conduct a large-scale prevention clinical trial using fish oil at the earliest stages of the disease - particularly because it is unlikely that a pharmaceutical company will do so, since fish oil in pill form is readily available and inexpensive.

    Still to be determined, he said, "is what the optimal dose should be. It could be that a smaller amount might be helpful, especially in a place like the south of France, where people are already on a Mediterranean diet."

    Here in the United States, though, where fish consumption is not very high, the dose may need to be higher.

    "There's a deficiency of DHA to begin with," Cole said, "and this may contribute to the low LR11 seen in many Alzheimer's patients."

    http://www.ucla.edu/

    This is for the person asking about Alzheimer's.

    Marilyn
      




    Would you like to register for our weekly NO-NONSENSE Medical News Letter? At the end of each week we'll send you an email containing links to the most popular articles (by page impression) from your chosen categories that appeared on News-Medical.Net in that week. You will NOT be bombarded with advertising and you CAN unsubscribe at any time. Click here for more information.

  • Anonymous

    1/2/2008 6:43:00 PM |

    Hi Marilyn,

    Thanks for sharing the great information on fish oil/DHA!  I'm going to pass this on to my relative.

  • J. Michael

    1/3/2008 2:07:00 PM |

    It is rather difficult to find good D3-sources in Europe. Swanson's seems to be available; gelatine capsules although with a white powder inside. Are they any good?

  • Dr. Davis

    1/3/2008 9:08:00 PM |

    I do not advocate use of powder preparations of vit D. The absorption is simply too erratic. oil-based gelcaps are best.

  • moblogs

    1/4/2008 1:25:00 PM |

    I wonder what you think of this report? http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-01/bu-vdi010208.php I'm guessing that this is probably Hollick's idea of infiltration - get them to at least accept profitable D2 more before winning them over with D2.

    Also, last year I was prescribed 400IU of D2 which raised my 10nmol/L to 21nmol/L; in realising this is inadequate what would you recommend is a good plan for me?

  • Dr. Davis

    1/4/2008 1:35:00 PM |

    I don't know what to make of Holick's study. He is a source of reliable observations. However, his experience is dramatically different from my experience and that of many others. I have seen D2 have no effect whatsoever repeatedly. I had one woman who had been taking 50,000 units D2 per day have a blood level of D3 of 4 ng/ml.

    Most of my patients take somwhere in the 4000-6000 units per day of vit D3 to generate a blood level of 50-60 ng/ml.

  • Anonymous

    1/4/2008 4:35:00 PM |

    I saw the study about the vitamin D2 being just as good as D3 also.  Here is the link I read: http://www.nutraingredients.com/news/ng.asp?n=82331-vitamin-d-cholecalciferol-ergocalciferolI thought the article was interesting, until I read the part of the company that made the softgels.  I'd question  what where the Q/C of the content? Did an independent lab test the softgels?

  • Dr. Davis

    1/5/2008 1:52:00 AM |

    Excellent point.

    To me, there is absolutely no reason to take vit D2, given the uncertainty. It is not cheaper, more effective, nor more available. It may, however, be more profitable for a drug company. D3 is the human form; D2 is the plant form.

    Is there any reason at all to take D2? I don't think there is.

  • g

    1/7/2008 12:29:00 AM |

    Thanks for the information on Alzheimer's (AD) known now as 'Type 3 Diabetes.' It's conjectured that profound Insulin Resistance in the brain occurs prior to amyloid development in AD patients.  The brain can only use two types of fuel -- ketones (ie like during starvation) and glucose.  There appears to be a problem with excessive glucose.  Some neurobiologist experts believe a mildly ketotic diet may be beneficial for preventing this type of insulin resistance.

    Many benefits in recent studies have shown that fish oil significantly decreases IR associated with Type 2 Diabetes, NAFLD (a precursor to diabetes and believed to be a new indicator for Metabolic Syndrome, non-alcoholic fatty liver dz) and even cancers -- including prostate (shown by Vieth) and glioblastoma -- a rare malignant brain cancer -- thought to be incurable but now being 'cured' with fish oil (and tamoxifen, etc cocktail).

    Thanks ! !  g

  • g

    1/7/2008 4:36:00 PM |

    sorry -- Vieth is in vitro data -- don't know if in vivo data exists yet

  • Anonymous

    1/8/2008 12:23:00 PM |

    Seems word is leaking into the mainstream press about vitamin D.  Last night NBC Nightly News ran an article about the connection between low vitamin D levels and increased risk for heart disease.

  • Paul Kelly - 95.1 WAYV

    1/8/2008 7:28:00 PM |

    Hi Dr. Davis,

    I know that you recommend oil-based / gel caps for Vitamin D as opposed to tablets. Does the same hold true for daily multi-vitamins? Is a capsule and a gelcap the same thing?

  • Renee

    1/8/2008 8:57:00 PM |

    Wow another sickness that not enough Vitamin D is contributed to.  I just read an article at Here Comes The Sun talking about ways you can intake more Vitamin D.  Check it out.

  • Dr. Davis

    1/9/2008 3:33:00 AM |

    Paul--
    Vit D gelcaps contain oil. Gelcaps are capsules. However, not all capsules are gelcaps; some contain powder.

    Oil-based vitamins like A, D, and E are best taken as an oil. The D, for instance, in your multivitamin probably doesn't work at all, or absorption is erratic.

    Gelcaps are no more expensive, so why bother with tablet or powder forms?

  • moblogs

    1/21/2008 11:54:00 AM |

    Just wondered what your opinion on this anti-D report is? http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/1/prweb639651.htm

    For what it's worth, I think this guy is going too far. His Marshall Protocol might be entertainable for those with certain autoimmune diseases, but saying D is bad for everyone based on his *personal* model seems nuts. Furthermore, his basic assumption is that everyone with low D 'is' ill, rather than has the potential to. And yet we know treating D in associated illness restores health.

    Would this guy withhold blood because a bullet causes bleeding? No wonder he's not an MD.

  • Dr. Davis

    1/21/2008 1:05:00 PM |

    Is this guy from the same planet?

    I've witnessed such extraordinary effects of vitamin D replacement that, for me, there is no turning back. Thus far, the effects of vitamin D replacement have paralleled the effects of sun exposure (except for the tan, of course).

    For every new idea, there will always be those who protest. Some have validity, some are plain kooks.

  • Anonymous

    1/24/2008 3:40:00 AM |

    Dear Dr. Davis,

    Thank you for your support of Vitamin D. I recently was tested and found to have a level of 37. I do have a question or two, though. I was on the mega-dose (50000IU twice a week for four weeks).

    I am now on 2000IU per day (just started this past Sunday). I have all of the Metabolic Syndrome symptoms except the high glucose (my last fasting was 81).

    How long do you think I should continue on this does before I have my level checked again? And how long before I would start to see results?

    My doctor seems very concerned about my CRP (3.1), and I'm really hoping that this vit d. regime helps.
    Thank you.

  • Dr. Davis

    1/24/2008 12:50:00 PM |

    Unfortunately, the "mega-dose" you refer to probably yielding nothing--it was probably vitamin D2 (ergocalciferol). In my experience, this synthetic form fails to be converted to the active form in humans, D3.

    We wait at least 4 weeks before checking a blood level, ideally 8 weeks.

  • Linda

    7/20/2009 7:30:21 PM |

    Just found out that I have
    vitamin D deficiency.  I have
    neuropathy, muscle weakness
    and arthritis.
    I hope taking the 50,000 units
    three times a week helps.
    We must certainly need our D,
    I'm proof.

  • Anonymous

    1/16/2010 2:53:37 AM |

    I have been detected with high TSH levels - 6 (the thyroid hormones are within range)and low Vit D - 25.
    Additionally, my cholesterol is 223 (good one is 81).
    I also seem to be getting ovarian cysts.
    Is all this related?

  • Anonymous

    2/15/2010 1:20:25 PM |

    quite interesting post. I would love to follow you on twitter.

  • shaheel

    9/27/2010 1:00:12 PM |

    Heart  disease is one of the most  dangerous disease which takes thousands of life every years all over the world. If we know its symptoms and Treatment for heart disease. We can prevent is to large extent.

  • buy jeans

    11/3/2010 6:51:49 PM |

    In short, metabolic syndrome creates a metabolic mess that leads to dramatic increases in heart disease, vascular disease and stroke, and cancer. The medical community has been paying increasingly greater attention to this condition because of its booming prevalence and because of the big bucks invested in "education" by the manufacturers of the diabetes and pre-diabetes drugs, particularly makers of Actos and Avandia.

  • liposculpture guide

    1/31/2011 4:15:52 AM |

    Vitamin D is proving to be a very important and powerful influence on many of the facets of the metabolic syndrome. Because the metabolic syndrome increases the risk of diabetes and cardiovascular disease, an adequate vitamin D level in the body might be important in the prevention of these diseases.

  • robrob

    2/5/2011 6:42:42 PM |

    I was wondering can you have a genetic compenont against making enough vit d by the sun? I bask in the sun for hours (since I love it so much and I am drawn to it like postive charge does to negative charge) yet I am d deficient, I suffer terrible metabolic syndrome, the whole nine yards just short of type 2. my doctor calls me prediabetic.

    I have even improved my diet big time over the last 3 years. lower gi, lower sat fat, more veggies etc. omega 3 fish oil

    I never use sunscreen and I never burn. just a nice light brown tan.I keep this tan by the way almost the whole winter. I started to take a cal vita d mag supplement chewables and I drink whole milk with it to make sure I absorb them being fat soluable and all. I can't expose my belly for more than a few minutes that will burn. ouch!

    being obese I am sure whatever cal vita d I take is going to end up in storage hoarding it an all. what can I do? I now drink more whole milk, eat organic bacon per suggestion from article the obesity epidemic is metabolic syndrome a nutritional deficiency. by stephanic seneff. real nice lady by the way.

    anyway slowly after implementing her suggestions my fasting hypoglycemic especially at night has improved, i don't run to the bathroom like i used to, I am more relaxed too. I have more energy, all this is a slow process not overnight. over many months.

    I don't have to eat at 3 in the morning anymore because of getting super hungry, nervous sweaty etc.

    but I still suffer some of the symptoms just not as severe. is there anything else I can do to speed up the improvments in mets?

    reduced cal diets do not work I get to hungry can't sleep and lose all energy. even a slight reduction which I have done makes me to hungry to sleep at night. or forces me up to eat after a couple of hours of sleep.

    forcing my body to get by on less caloires is not an option. (losing weight is always touted by my doctor to cure mets but mets was caused by my dieting history) I have lost hundreds of pounds over my 35 dieting history.

    I would like to hear any suggestions you may have. my doctor keeps pushing weight loss but that is what got me like this in the first place.

Loading