"Your heart scan score means nothing"

Charles was visibly confused.

He'd gotten his CT heart scan after hearing one of the local scan center's ads on the radio. His score 2773, obviously in the 99th percentile for any age.

"Do you think the score means anything? My primary doctor said that it was meaningless because it was all in the deep wall of the artery. He said that it has nothing to do with risk for heart attack. As long as I feel good, he says don't do anything."

What exactly did his doctor mean, in the "deep wall of the artery"?

What the doctor is referring to is the fact that some people with a long history (many years) of diabetes or kidney failure (also for many years) tend to develop calcium deposits in the media, or muscular layer of arteries. The media is the tissue thin layer just below the intima, the most inner layer of arteries that we usually associate with atherosclerotic plaque and the layer that is most prone to calcium accumulation that we score on heart scans.

Aging, generally into your late 70s, 80s, and onwards, also increases the likelihood of medial calcification. Lastly, longstanding deficiency of vitamin D encourages medial calcification.

Is there any way to distinguish intimal vs medial calcification on a heart scan? No, there is not. Having read many thousands of CT heart scans, I can tell you that there is no practical way in 2007 to tell the difference.

Then how did this doctor "know" that Charles' calcium was "deep walled" or medial? Simple: He didn't. This was yet another example of ignorance based on old thinking. Unfortunately, he did Charles a serious disservice by dismissing his heart scan score that predicted a 25% per year risk for heart attack.

Interestingly, whether calcium is intimal as in atherosclerotic plaque, or medial, both are strongly associated with risk for heart attack. In other words, if calcium is confined to the intima, heart disease risk is present. If calcium is limited to the media, risk is still present.

In all practicality, the only difference we make of the intima vs. media argument (that is, when the distinction has been made by some other means like intracoronary ultrasound, the test that is truly necessary to distinguish the two patterns) is that medial calcification may be more powerfully related to vitamin D deficiency. Thus, someone with heavy medial calcification may require closer attention to maintaining a perfect year-round blood level of 25-OH-vitamin D3. But that's the only practical difference.

Comments (7) -

  • Anonymous

    6/1/2007 5:26:00 PM |

    Will maintaining the Vit D level at the optimal range, reverse the media calcium build up?

    Thanks,

    Marilyn

  • Dr. Davis

    6/1/2007 9:24:00 PM |

    Our emerging experience in the Track Your Plaque program suggests that medial calcification may, in fact, be MORE amenable to regression/reversal.

  • mike V

    1/10/2008 3:31:00 PM |

    Dr Davis:
    I am 72.
    I recently had a CTA scan with "no detectable paque"
    I am also aware of recent research which shows evidence of menaquinone both preventing and reversing calcification.
    Is scanning thought to be less sensitive to medial calcification (as opposed to intimal), and at risk of being 'missed'?

    If so would preventive menaquinone be justified in a 'clean' case like mine?
    Thanks, MikeV

  • Dr. Davis

    1/10/2008 4:25:00 PM |

    Hi, Mike-
    No, the scan quite reliably detects both intimal and medial calcification. Taking K2 is very optional. How about some traditional, fermented cheese? I do not believe that K2 supplementation would yield substantial heart benefits. However, if bone health is in question, that migyht be a reason.

  • mike V

    1/10/2008 4:52:00 PM |

    Thanks, Doc:
    My cheese score is already fairly high.
    I forgot to mention that I have already been taking fish oil, coQ10,vitamin D3, magnesium etc for some years, so I *heartily* endorse your standard recommendations.
    You perform a great community service.  

    mike V

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At last: After talking about the new Track Your Plaque community tools for the last year, our data tracking software is now available!



Track Your Plaque is, admittedly, somewhat data-intensive. The basic concept relies on the fact that we track heart scan scores, cholesterol values, lipoprotein values like percent small LDL and Lp(a), vitamin D blood levels, intake of omega-3 fatty acids, etc. Our new data tracking tools will help Members track their data over time.

Even more interesting, you can allow other Members (not required) to view your data for comments and feedback. You can also view the program data of other Members (if they choose to make their data "public") to learn how they are going about stopping and reversing their coronary plaque.

In other words, our graphic data tracking tools are yet another way we are using to acquire a collective wisdom on how to put a stop to coronary heart disease, heart attack, and perverse "let's make money with heart procedures" hospital solutions.

One of the aspects that helps make this work is the sharing of data. So far, the people who have begun to enter their data have all made their information "public." It's not truly "public," but viewable only by other Track Your Plaque Members. Also, Members can, in effect, anonymize their data simply by using a nickname, e.g., heartprotection or hearthawk.

The data tracking tools are in beta-test version, so there are bound to be a few glitches. But we're eager to hear from our Members' experiences on how to improve these tools. Report any problems or make your suggestions on the Track Your Plaque Member Forum--Technical Support.

Comments (3) -

  • Anonymous

    12/9/2008 7:32:00 PM |

    How do we access it?
    Do we have to have had a heart scan or can we start with our lipid measurements?

    Jeanne

  • Dr. William Davis

    12/10/2008 1:08:00 AM |

    This blog is meant to supplement the Track Your Plaque program, a membership website.

    Please go to www.trackyourplaque.com to decide if this is appropriate for you.

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