I don't care about hard plaque!

I ran into a cardiology colleague this weekend. He was aware of my interest in CT heart scanning and plaque reversal.

Out of the blue, he declared "I don't care about hard plaque! I only care about soft plaque." He then proceeded to describe to me how everyone--EVERYONE--needs a CT coronary angiogram to identify "soft plaque".

Is there any truth to this view? Are we only identifying "hard plaques" by focusing on calcium and calcium scores on simple CT heart scans?

Several issues deserve clarification. First of all, CT heart scans don't identify hard plaque. They identify total plaque. Because calcium is a component of the majority of atherosclerotic plaque, comprising approximately 20% of its volume, a calcium "score" can be used to indirectly quantify total plaque, both "hard" and "soft".

Anyone cardiologist who performs a lot of the procedure, intracoronary ultrasound, knows that most human plaque is also not purely soft or hard, it is mixture of both. (I've been performing this procedure since 1995.) Quantifying only soft or only hard plaque is therefore only possible in theory, not in practice.

I believe my colleague does have a valid point in one regard, however. There is indeed a small percentage of people, probably around 5% of all people who have CT heart scans, who have scores of zero yet have a modest quantity of pure "soft" plaque. These people may be misled by having a zero score. How can these people benefit from better information?

Several ways. First, people like this tend to have very high LDL cholesterols, generally 180 mg/dl or greater. They may have a very worrisome family history, e.g., father with heart attack in his 30s or 40s. This small proportion of people with zero heart scan scores may benefit from receiving X-ray dye with their heart scan, i.e., a CT coronary angiogram. Keep in mind that we're assuming everyone is without symptoms, also. If symptoms are part of the picture, everything changes.

But should everybody get a CT coronary angiogram? I don't believe so. A CT coronary angiogram involves far more radiation exposure, greater expense (usually $1800 to $4000), and, with present day technology, does not yield quantitative (measurable) information that is useful for longitudinal use for repeated scans. You don't want to undergo yearly CT coronary angiograms, for instance.

Stay tuned for more on this issue. In the meantime, I continue to try and inform my colleagues about what is right, what is wrong, what is preferable for patient safety and yields truly empowering information, and try to impress on them that the practice of cardiology is not just about enriching their retirement accounts.

Try an experiment in a wheat-free diet

Years back, I'd heard some people argue that wheat-based products were detrimental to health. At the time, I thought they were nuts. After all, wheat is the principal ingredient in a huge number of American staples like breakfast cereals and bread.

What changed my mind was the low-fat movement of the 1980s and 1990s. Proponents of low-fat diets claim that heart disease is caused by excess fat in the diet. A diet that is severely restricted in fat therefore might cure or reverse heart disease.

But low-fat diets evolve into high-carbohydrate diets. This nearly always means an over-reliance on wheat products. People will say to me "I had a healthy breakfast: shredded wheat cereal in skim milk and two slices of whole wheat toast." Yes, it is low-fat, but is it healthy?

Absolutely not. Followers of the Track Your Plaque program know that low-fat diets ignite the formation of small LDL particles (a VERY potent trigger of coronary plaque growth), drops HDL, raises triglycerides, causes resistance to insulin and thereby diabetes, raises blood pressure. They also make you fat, with preferential accumulation of abdominal visceral (intestinal lining) fat.

Look at people with gluten enteropathy, a marked intolerance to wheat products that results in violent bowel problems, arthritis, etc. if unrecognized. These people, if the diagnosis is made early, are strikingly slender and commonly unusually healthy otherwise. There's a message here.

If you need convincing, try an experiment. Eliminate--not reduce, but eliminate wheat products from your diet, whether or not the fancy label on the package says it's healthy, high in fiber, a "healthy low-fat snack", etc. This means no bread, pasta, crackers, cookies, breads, chips, breading on chicken, rolls, bagels, cakes, breakfast cereal...Whew!

You won't be hungry if you replace the lost calories with plentiful raw almonds, walnuts, pecans, sunflower and pumpkin seeds; more liberal use of healthy olive oil, canola oil and flaxseed oil; adding ground flaxseed and oat bran to yogurt, cottage cheese, etc.; and more lean proteins like lean beef, chicken, turkey, and fish.

I predict that, not only will you lose weight, sometimes dramatically, but you will feel better: more energy, more alertness, sleep better, less moody. Time and again, people who try this will tell me that the daytime grogginess they've suffered and lived with for years, and would treat with loads of caffeine, is suddenly gone. They cruise through their day with extra energy.

Success at this can yield great advantage for your heart scan score control and reversal efforts. It will give you greater control over small LDL and pre-diabetic patterns, in particular.

Bigger, faster plaque reversal

Perhaps it's too early to tell whether it's true, but believe that we're seeing coronary plaque reversal--i.e., reduction of CT heart scan score--that is BIGGER and FASTER than ever before. We are now witnessing 20-30% reductions in score, even in the first year.

Early in our experience, I was thrilled with a slowing of plaque growth. Recall that coronary plaque grows at the rate of 30% per year. We would often seen slowing to 10-15% per year in the first year, then a levelling off to little or no increase in the 2nd or 3rd year. Regression, or reduction of score, was less common.

Now, with some further tweaking of our program, we are seeing these large magnitudes of coronary plaque reversal routinely. Not in everybody, of course. There are exceptions that mostly includes people who are less motivated and occasional people with more difficult to control lipoprotein patterns.

I believe that part, or perhaps most, of our recent success is from normalizing blood levels of 25-OH-vitamin D3 levels to 50-70 ng/ml. I'm unable to tell you why this occurs, but I am convinced that it has added huge advantage. Raising blood vitamin D levels to normal carries enormous implication: reduction of colon and prostate cancer risk, reduction of blood pressure, sensitization to insulin, prevention of arthritis and multiple sclerosis, and--I believe--control over coronary plaque calcification and growth.


Watch for a profile of one of our latest success stories, a physician who was experiencing 20% per year plaque growth three years in a row until he followed the Track Your Plaque approach and promptly experienced an 18% reduction in heart scan score. You'll find it in our next newsletter. To subscribe, go to the www.cureality.com homepage and click on the free book download.

I need to do more procedures!

I sat next to a cardiology colleague of mine last evening at a dinner. He was lamenting the fact that, because of changes in hospital affiliations of his several-member cardiology group, he'd seen a drop in the volume of heart catheterizations he was performing.

"I'm used to doing 5 cases a day! Now I'm down to 3 or 4 a day." He went on to tell me how he's working to increase his volume. "I'm branching out into doing carotid stents and anything I can find in the legs." He also described how he was cultivating referring physicians to send him more procedural patients.

Now, this colleague, I believe, is a hard-working, conscientious physician. But his attitude reflects the perverse logic of many physicians: I need to do more procedures, not because it benefits patients, but because that's what I want to do--to be busy, make more money, acquire more experience, build my ego, etc.

Doing more procedures has nothing to do with an altruistic goal of doing more good for society. It is purely for selfish reasons. Beware of this shockingly common, pervasive attitude. There's a proper time and place for heart procedures, or any procedure, for that matter. But feeding your doctor's ambitions is not a good reason.

Fast food and quick plaques

Such was the title of Dr. William Roberts' editorial back in 1987 discussing the health effects of fast foods.

If you need a graphic illustration of the extraordinarily damaging health effects of fast foods, take a look at trends in mainland China. A recent editorial in the American Journal of Cardiology written by Dr. Tsung Cheng of George Washington University makes several points:

--The popularity of fast food in China is booming, with Chinese now more likely than Americans to eat in a fast food restaurant. Each week, 41% of Chinese eat in a fast food restaurant at least once, compared to 35% in the U.S.

--Average total cholesterol levels have skyrocketed from 150 mg/dl in 1958 to 230 mg/dl in 2003.

--50% of Chinese with normal blood pressure in 1992 are now hypertensive.

--Hospitalization for heart disease rose from the 5th most common diagnosis to #1, now constituting nearly 50% of all hospital admissions.

McDonald's and KFC dominate the fast food landscape in China, but up and coming competitors are growing at exponential rates. A media conversation that will surely be reported in the near future is the boom in obesity and diabetes in China as these trends express themselves in weight gain, as it has in the U.S.


I hope you've all seen the entertaining but frightening documentary, Supersize Me chronicling the travails of 30-something Morgan Spurlock as he eats all his meals for one month at McDonald's restaurants in 20 cities. Though focusing on McDonald's, the movie is about a lot more than that. It paints a picture of how fast food as well as food manufacturers in general have changed--distorted--our eating habits.

If you haven't yet seen it, I would urge you to do so and watch it with the rest of the family. My kids (ages 8, 12, and 14) were shocked (and entertained) and they haven't set food in a fast food restaurant since.

But fish oil is too drastic!

Ted is a 74-year old physician, still conducting a busy practice. He came to me because of some vague fatigue and breathlessness. He also got himself a CT heart scan. His score: 1277.

When he came to my office, he clearly became breathless with just minimal effort. A stress test confirmed an area of much reduced blood flow to the front of his heart muscle. A heart catheterization identified a severe blockage of 95% in the left anterior descending artery and a stent was inserted. This resulted in relief of Ted's symptoms.

When Ted returned to the office after his discharge from the hospital, I advised him that some major changes in his prevention program were overdue. "After all, Ted, you were lucky this time. You were provided some warning. It doesn't always work that way." So I advised Ted to make a number of changes in his diet (he was following an old-fashioned, and quite self-destructive, low-fat diet), have lipoproteins assessed to identify hidden causes of coronary plaque, and take fish oil.

"Fish oil? I don't think so. That's pretty drastic!" he exclaimed. He felt that all the nutrition he needed was contained in the food he ate. Even after several lipoprotein abnormalities were uncovered like small LDL and excessive after-eating (post-prandial) patterns, he still resisted any changes. "I'm going to just wait and see how I feel. But I will take aspirin."

Such is the state of mind of the older physician: procedures are okay, low-fat diets prevent heart disease, and the Beatles are touring America. But fish oil? No way!

Unfortunately, Ted's attitude encapsulates the attitudes of many of my medical colleagues who don't share the excuse of age. They still practice the woefully outdated ways of physicians like Ted, clinging to notions of "balanced diets", nitroglycerin representing a rational treatment for coronary disease, and adequate rest being curative for heart conditions.

The world is changing. We're entering an exciting age of self-empowerment. The ridiculous notions of health practiced in the last half of the 20th century are withering and dying. Poor Ted. He must view the current healthcare landscape as increasingly incomprehensible to a guy who started out delivering babies at home. Perhaps, in some respects his world was better. But, in coronary disease prevention, attitudes like this need to go the way of steam engines and racial segregation--good riddens!

A curious case of coronary plaque regression and progression

John received a coronary stent in 2003 following a small heart attack. The artery causing the heart attack was a diagonal artery, a branch of the important left anterior descending coronary artery (in the front of the heart). His cardiologist at the time advised him, "Take Lipitor and we'll do stress tests every year. Come back if you have any more chest pain." That was the full extent of John's preventive care.

He came to me for a second opinion and, naturally, we enrolled him in our program. We began by obtaining a CT heart scan score, though we had to exclude the stented diagonal artery. His score: 471. At age 51 and physically active, John had 7 additional abnormal lipoprotein patterns identified. We counseled John on better approaches to food choices, his weight target, fish oil, and correction of all lipoprotein patterns.

Two years later, John's repeat heart scan score: 511 . John was initially disappointed with the increase. But a closer look yielded something entirely different: the right coronary artery and circumflex (no stents) showed 20-30% reduction in their scores. The increase in total score was entirely due to substantial increase in score just outside the stent, in the left anterior descending artery. In other words, all of the increase in score was due to growth of a plaque at the mouth of the stent in the diagonal artery.

This is curious: profound regression of plaque with a big drop in score in the "un-instrumented" arteries, but tremendous growth of plaque and an increase in score in the "instrumented", or stented, artery, all in the same person's heart.

I don't know how controllable this specific situation in the left anterior descending and stented diagonal will be, and I'm unaware of any specific strategies to impact on this situation. The whole world of tissue growth within or around stents is littered with high hopes followed by failures. The drug-coated stents have been the only partial solution to this problem, though that's precisely the sort of stent John received.

Is there a message here? The message I take from this is that you and I should work like mad to keep from receiving a stent. Once they're implanted, we have less control over our coronary future. We can indeed regress ("reverse") coronary plaque. But we may not be able to regress the sort of tissue that grows in response to a stent implantation.

When is a heart scan score of 400 better than 200?

Imagine two people.

Tom is a 50-year old man. Tom's initial heart scan score is 500--a bad score that carries a 5% or more risk for heart attack per year.

Harry is also 50 years old. His heart scan score is 100--also a concerning score but not with the same dangers of Tom's much higher score.

Tom follows a powerful heart disease prevention program like the Track Your Plaque program. He achieves the 60:60:60 lipid targets; chooses healthy foods; takes fish oil; raises his blood vitamin D level to >50 ng/ml, etc. One year later, Tom's heart scan score is 400, a 20% reduction from his starting score.

Harry, on the other hand, doesn't understand the implications of his score. Neither does his doctor. He's casually provided a prescription for a cholesterol drug by his doctor but nothing else. One year later, Harry's heart scan score is 200, a doubling (100% increase) of the original score.

At this point, we're left with Tom having a score of 400, Harry with a score of 200. That is, Tom has twice the score, or 200 points higher, compared to Harry. Who's better off?

Tom is better off. Even though he has a significantly higher score, Tom's plaque is regressing. It is therefore quiescent with its components being extracted, inflammation subsiding, the artery is in a more relaxed state, etc.

Harry's plaque, in contrast, is active and growing: inflammatory cells are abundant and producing enzymes that degrade supportive tissue, excessive constrictive factors are constantly causing the artery to pinch partially closed, fatty materials are accumulating and triggering a cascade of abnormal responses.

This is therefore a peculiar situation in which a higher score is actually better than a lower score. It reflects the power of adhering to a preventive program. It also demonstrates how two scans are better than one because they show the rate of increase given a particular preventive approach.

Warning: Your cardiologist may be dangerous to your health!

Warren had a moderately high LDL cholesterol for years and took a statin drug sporadically over the past 7 years. Finally retired from a successful real estate investment business, he had a CT heart scan to assess his heart disease status.

Warren's score: 49. At age 59, this put him in the lowest 25%, with an estimated heart attack risk of 1% per year or less--a relatively low risk. At this heart scan score, the likelihood of an abnormal stress test was less than 3%, or a 97% likelihood of a normal stress test. Most would argue that a stress test would be unproductive, given its low probability of yielding useful information. In other words, there would be a 97% probability of normal blood flow through Warren's coronary plaque, and less than 3% likelihood that a stent or bypass surgery would be necessary.

Warren was also without symptoms. He hiked and biked without any chest discomfort or breathlessness. A prevention program like Track Your Plaque to gain control over future coronary plaque growth was all that was necessary and Warren had high hopes for a life free of heart attack and major heart procedures.

Then why did he go through a heart catheterization?

Warren did indeed undergo a heart catheterization on the advice of his cardiologist. When I met Warren for another opinion, it became immediately obvious that the heart catheterization was completely unnecessary. Then why was this invasive procedure done? There can only be a few reasons:

--The cardiologist didn't truly understand the meaning of the heart scan score. "We need to do a 'real' test."

--The cardiologist was terrified of malpractice risk for underdiagnosing or undertreating any condition, no matter how mild.

--The cardiologist wanted to make more money. Talking about heart disease prevention is a money-saving, not a money-making, approach.

Regardless of which of the three motivations was at work here, they're all inexcusable. A disservice was done to this man: he had an unnecessary procedure, incurred some risk of complication in the process, and gained nothing.

An ignorant or profit-seeking cardiologist is worse than the unscrupulous car mechanic who, when presented with an unknowing car repair customer, proceeds to replace the carburetor and rebuild the engine when a simple 5-minute adjustment would have taken care of the problem.

I estimate that no more than 10% of my colleagues follow such practices, but it's often hard to know who is in that 10%. Ask pointed questions: Why is the catheterization necessary? What is the likelihood of finding information useful to my health? What are the alternatives? (By the way, the emerging CT coronary angiograms can be a useful alternative in some situations like this.)

Track Your Plaque is your source for credible information. Be well armed.

I don’t have high blood pressure!

Art undeniably had high blood pressure.

At age 53, he had all the “footprints” of high blood pressure that’d been present for at least several years: abnormal patterns by EKG, abnormally thick heart muscle, and an enlarged aorta by an echocardiogram. These sorts of changes require many years to develop. Art’s blood pressure was 140/85 sitting quietly in the office.

“That’s about what my primary care doc gets, too. Whenever it’s high, he takes it again after a few minutes and it always comes down.”

Art tried to persuade me that his blood pressure was high today only because of the traffic on the way into the office. When I dismissed this as a cause, he insisted that stress he’d been suffering because of his teenage son was the cause. “I just know I don’t have high blood pressure!”




Who’s right here? Well, Art is not here to defend himself. But one fact is crystal clear: you cannot develop complications of high blood pressure unless you truly have high blood pressure!

In other words, Art’s abnormal changes in heart structure (thickened heart muscle and enlarged aorta) are serious changes that develop only with years and years of sustained blood pressure at least as high as the one in the office. His blood pressure almost certainly ranged much higher at other times, particularly during stressful situations like waiting in the check-out line at the grocery store, watching a suspenseful TV show, petty irritations at his job, and on and on.

Blood pressure does not have to be high all the time to generate complications of high blood pressure. It can be sporadic, variable, even occasional. Clearly, sustained high blood pressure is the worst situation that creates adverse consequences more quickly. But blood pressure that wavers from low to high only some of the time can still, given sufficient time, cause the very same unwanted effects.

Control of blood pressure is crucial to your coronary plaque control program. Blood pressure may be boring: not as exotic, say, as lipoproteins, and not as fun as talking about nutritional supplements. But neglect blood pressure issues and you will not gain full control over coronary plaque growth—-your heart scan score will increase.

Watch for an upcoming Special Report on the Track Your Plaque Membership website, a full detailed discussion of how to recognize when blood pressure is an important issue, along with a full discussion of nutritional methods to reduce it, often sufficient to minimize or eliminate the need for medication.
You just THINK you're low-carb

You just THINK you're low-carb

Systematically checking postprandial (after-eating) blood sugars is providing some great insights into crafting a better diet for many people.

I last discussed the concept of postprandial glucose checks in To get low-carb right, you need to check blood sugars.

Here are some important lessons that many people--NON-diabetic people, most with normal blood glucoses or just mildly increased--are learning:

Oatmeal yields high blood sugars. Even if your fasting blood sugar is 90 mg/dl, a bowl of oatmeal with skim milk, walnuts, and some berries will yield blood sugars of 150-200 mg/dl in many people.

Cheerios yields shocking blood sugars. 200+ mg/dl is not uncommon in non-diabetics. (Diabetics have 250-350 mg/dl.)

Fruits like apples and bananas increase blood sugar to 130 mg/dl or higher.

Odd symptoms, such as mental "fog," fatigue, and a fullness in the head, are often attributable to high blood sugars.

A subset of people with lipoprotein(a) can have wildly increased blood sugars despite their slender build and high aerobic exercise habits.


Once you identify the high blood sugar problem, you can do something about it. The best place to start is to reduce or eliminate the sugar-provoking food.

Comments (72) -

  • Lou

    2/27/2010 2:18:18 PM |

    Hi Dr. Davis,

    What is the maximum postprandial glucose level that we can see without seeing increased risk of heart/diabetes problems? I thought I saw 120 mg/dl somewhere. Is that it? It's hard to keep track of hundreds of blogs. I just learned about Heart Scan Blog last week.

  • Tony

    2/27/2010 2:37:06 PM |

    I have tested my postprandial glucose per your suggestion, and it has been very helpful, but I wanted to note that neither oatmeal (1/2 cup dry) or bananas & apples raise my blood sugar above 115.

  • Anonymous

    2/27/2010 2:57:36 PM |

    Truly normal, non-diabetic people will rarely if ever see a postprandial glucose peak much above 125, even with Cheerios.

    Postprandial hyperglycemia is widespread in populations eating an industrial diet. Those of us who have been officially diagnosed with diabetes are just the tip of the iceberg.

  • Stan (Heretic)

    2/27/2010 3:16:38 PM |

    It is interesting that you confirm that thin slender people which  you identify as "Lp(a)" types are so much less tolerant against high refined carbohydrates!

      In my subjective observation some of the most robust people on the standard (high carb medium fat) diet are of heavy set build ( Kapha/Phlegmatic).  

    They are able to easily increase their adipose tissue which probably is their main defense against high blood glucose.

    This protection comes at the price of putting up weight, sometimes a lot of weight. In some  rare cases their body weight can grow above 500lb before this protection mechanism stops, their adipose tissue stops expanding, and then - and only then - they get diabetes!  Not before, not while their fatty tissue is still growing!

    In my personal opinion the only difference between the heavy set type people and us ("ascetic" body types) is that our adipose tissue is for some reason (genetic?) incapable of growing beyond a minimum (in my case I was only able to put up ~10lb extra at most) therefore our fatty tissue  is not able to scoop up as much excessive glucose out of our bloodstream as their therefore we get diabetes, on a very high refined carb diet, earlier and more severe than them.  

    Our ONLY defense is as you have found too - minimize consumption of high carb food such as cereals, wheat, but also fruit and starches! I personally replaced such food with animal fat, eleven years ago and all my health problems, including mild angina, disappeared as if by miracle.

    Regards,
    Stan (Heretic)

  • Ellen

    2/27/2010 3:37:17 PM |

    So, Dr. Davis, would you say that one should never have foods that raise blood sugar?  I have a 1/2 banana and rice cake post workout with protein. Do you think I should stop this practice?

  • Aliceq

    2/27/2010 4:04:02 PM |

    I might add that the Thanksgiving post-feast lethargy, conventionally attributed to tryptophan-overload, is likely due instead to carb overload (stuffing, mashed potatoes, cranberry sauce, two helpings of pie). Since I've been low carb, I've generally filled up on turkey and salad at such meals (much more turkey than my dining companions), and also had much more post-prandial energy.

  • switters

    2/27/2010 4:29:41 PM |

    Why in the world would anyone put skim milk in oatmeal (or anything else, for that matter)? Drinking skim milk and consuming lean protein without adequate fat is an excellent way to spike your blood sugar and deplete your body's fat soluble nutrients.  I'd be curious to see how much oatmeal raises blood sugar when eaten with butter and cream. Maybe I'll do that experiment myself.

  • Lou

    2/27/2010 4:50:15 PM |

    I forgot to add that I tried cheerios experiment. My BG went from fasting 86 to PPG 140. I do stay active (lifting weights and running) but lately my diet has been terrible past two years. I actually used to follow low to moderate carbohydrates but being married and having an infant to deal with knocked me off the wagon. I recently got back on the wagon but I have to admit it, it has been rough start... Just have to make it to day 14th (I always found it to be much easier after 14th day or so).

  • Jolly

    2/27/2010 5:33:14 PM |

    Should we check our blood glucose 1 hour after the start of eating, or 1 hour after the end of our meal?

  • Anonymous

    2/27/2010 6:02:41 PM |

    Is this a one-hour reading or a two-hour reading that we're talking about?  And is 120 the best cut off to use?

  • B.K.

    2/27/2010 6:07:06 PM |

    We have several 'feral' apple trees around the property here. They don't make large fruits, but I've eaten up to 3 at a time (golf ball sized) and they never made me have a +40 spike. Other varieties of large store apples do, however. I was taught that the ADA recommends a 1 hour reading of no more than 180, and a 2 hour reading of no more than 140, where the 'after' reading is also less than 40 points higher than the beginning reading. So if you began at 100, you should never break 140. My standards, however, are quite a bit lower. Bring on the bacon and eggs, and I'll wait until Nature here provides me with small apples.

  • Jenny

    2/27/2010 6:32:44 PM |

    Technically, if a person gets two random blood sugars over 200 mg/dl it is enough to diagnose them as diabetic. That's according to the diagnostic criteria published by the ultra conservative American Diabetes Association.

    Based on the research I've seen on this topic, any blood sugar over 163 mg/dl one hour after eating a high carb meal and/or over 120 mg/dl at two hours after the meal is abnormal.

    Truly normal people will be back into the mid 80s two hours after eating a high carb meal. Their highest blood sugar will be about 120, which not so incidentally, is the level at which the incretin hormones seem to kick in and stimulate insulin release.

  • Beth@WeightMaven

    2/27/2010 7:45:44 PM |

    Dr. Davis, love the blog, am learning lots. And per your suggestion, have picked up a blood glucose meter to check how I respond to various carbs.

    Just a minor title quibble tho. Are there really a lot of people eating oatmeal, Cheerios, apples or bananas that think they are low-carb?

  • craig&jan

    2/27/2010 8:03:10 PM |

    Amused and surprised that you have Quaker Oats ads running between your posts...flashing images of huge bowls of oatmeal filled with fruit.  I know it costs money to run a blog but how about screening advertisers to those who promote what you believe in and are advising folks to do?

    Yes, it does show how corporate America lies to the public, but in a way you are assisting them with a platform.  Would you accept ads from Lovaza, Niaspan, etc?  

    I guess it demonstrates why doctors partner with big pharma and others even when they know it's not beneficial...$$$.

  • craig&jan

    2/27/2010 8:03:10 PM |

    Amused and surprised that you have Quaker Oats ads running between your posts...flashing images of huge bowls of oatmeal filled with fruit.  I know it costs money to run a blog but how about screening advertisers to those who promote what you believe in and are advising folks to do?

    Yes, it does show how corporate America lies to the public, but in a way you are assisting them with a platform.  Would you accept ads from Lovaza, Niaspan, etc?  

    I guess it demonstrates why doctors partner with big pharma and others even when they know it's not beneficial...$$$.

  • Anna

    2/27/2010 8:54:10 PM |

    Tony,

    You probably still have an intact glucose regulation system, so your insulin production is robust and your insulin sensitivity is good.  You might be lucky enough to always have intact BG with grains.  

    Many don't, though, and furthermore, most don't know it.  Insulin insufficiently and insulin resistance are very, very common.

    I know from experience that one can seem to be quite healthy yet BG trouble is brewing below the surface for many years.  Even with a history of gestational diabetes (treated well with a LC diet), my doctors later had no idea how high my post-prandial BG goes (Cheerios can raise it to the mid-200s) because they tend to only suspect BG issues in obese patients and  they only checked FBG, which remain at the high end of normal because of my low carb intake.  

    My own testing with Cheerios leads me to view it and other cold breakfast cereals as bowls of predigested sugar that creates roller coaster BG levels that don't feel good at all.  Steel-cut cooked oatmeal result in somewhat less high BG, but it still goes too high for too long.  For my own long-term health, my glucose meter tells me to ditch the cereals.

  • Jazwaza

    2/27/2010 9:10:44 PM |

    Those foods you listed Dr. Davis are not low-carb at all. I never eat them. What makes you think those are low-carb? Cheerios? Bananas? Oatmeal?

  • Dr. William Davis

    2/27/2010 10:06:22 PM |

    Switters--

    Although I do not advocate using skim milk, most people do. So I chose that because it's so common.


    Ellen--

    No, I would regard that as a very high-sugar breakfast. It eventually catches up to you.


    Beth--

    Yes. While YOU may realize they do not belong in a low-carb diet, an incredible number of people think they do.

  • DrStrange

    2/27/2010 10:26:34 PM |

    "Should we check our blood glucose 1 hour after the start of eating, or 1 hour after the end of our meal?"  I am bumping this question up as i would also love to have a definitive answer on it.  I know two people can sit to eat identical meals and one finish in 15 minutes and the other take 45-60.  This would make a large difference in the measurements depending on where you start time "zero"

  • mikeak

    2/27/2010 11:45:35 PM |

    Oatmeal & banana/blueberries ups my count by only 10 or so, less if I use oat bran; but I always have high-quality whole milk yogurt as the dairy portion.

  • Anonymous

    2/28/2010 1:25:16 AM |

    Is there an A1C level that good glucose control would correspond to, given that your recommendations for post prandial glucose are significantly lower than the usual 140/1hour and 120/2 hour?

  • Bobby

    2/28/2010 1:27:39 AM |

    Dr Davis: I am confused how large populations of Chinese and Japanese people who eat a high starch diet continue to have relatively low rates of heart disease. I would think that white rice would cause a high post postprandial response.
    I enjoy your posts but I need a full explanation to be convinced that you are correct on this point. Very sincerely, Bobby

  • stelladwn

    2/28/2010 3:29:46 AM |

    Ok..., I'm really lost. Recently diagnosed with type 2 on oral meds and Byetta. I don't want my children to follow my path. Thought I was being a good Mom feeding them Cheerios and Oatmeal. So now what??? WHAT DO I FEED THEM???? DR. DAVIS WHERE DO I FIND A DIET PLAN FOR THEM???

  • Ateronon

    2/28/2010 4:42:30 AM |

    I thought oatmeal was ok for some reason, because it's oatmeal, you know like what grandpa ate?
    Spiked my sugar to 190.

    I haven't eaten cereals, white breads or any potato products only for the last 3 weeks and my blood sugar has responded favorably.
    Morning test was usually a 100-105 (yikes) now it's 85-90. I'm not sure of the ideal low end but maybe I can see 70 in a few months.

    Great blog on diabetes, Jenny.

  • Peter

    2/28/2010 12:58:05 PM |

    I wonder which yields a more accurate view of what's likely to happen as you get older?

    Fasting blood sugar.
    Post-prandial blood sugar.
    Ha1c test.

  • Dr. William Davis

    2/28/2010 2:42:55 PM |

    All of these issues, including when to check blood sugar, what constitutes a desirable number, etc. are all addressed in detail in the Track Your Plaque Special Report, Postprandial Responses:
    Part 3 - Carbohydrates and postprandial blood sugar at http://www.trackyourplaque.com/library/fl_04-022postprandialcarbs.asp in the open content section (first 8 or so pages).

  • ATHiker95

    2/28/2010 5:17:39 PM |

    Here's a comment on oatmeal - BG before breakfast - 125. Bowl of Quaker weight control Maple and Brown Sugar oatmeal (29 carbs, 6 g fiber, 1g sugar), 1 tablespoon of chia seeds (4 carbs,4 g Fiber), 1 scoop of flax seed (5 carbs, 4 G Fiber). Handful of pecans, splash of 2 percent milk.  BG reading 2 hours later - 181. No doubt, 210+ after an hour, but I didn't check then.  Despite all the fiber and the pecans as a source of fat to slow down the sugar rush, still no go. Moral of this story (for me) - back to eggs and meats. Smile

  • Bobby

    2/28/2010 5:57:38 PM |

    Dr Davis: I have read the entire report and it doesn't address the issue that was the basis of my question: Why do starch based oriental cultures have a low incidence of heart disease. They also eat a low fat diet.
    I look forward to your response. Many thanks, Bobby

  • Lori Miller

    2/28/2010 6:24:23 PM |

    Add me to the ranks of the low-carb eaters. I was taking Aciphex for acid reflux and discovered that PPIs have side effects such as osteoporosis, iron deficiency anemia and hip fracture. Other side effects of low stomach acid are too numerous to list here. I stopped taking them and read that high-glycemic foods (read: starchy, sugary carbs like fruit and grains) cause reflux. (See http://heartburncured.com/) By experimenting with my diet the past few days, I've found this to be true. Goodbye, starches and sugars.

    I'm making a believer out of my diabetic mom, too. The other day, she had a few bites of a bagel, some apple sauce, oatmeal--and BG of 268. She slept all day, stoned on sugar. Today, after I told her 100 times that it's the carbs, she's having bacon, cottage cheese and an egg--and a lucid state of mind.

  • Lou

    2/28/2010 10:40:50 PM |

    Bobby,

    It could be that they are not really consuming high amount of starch carbohydrates. Media always made it sound like they consume a lot of carbohydrates but the reality is that they may not really be consuming. However, things are changing as it's cheaper to produce processed foods so things will likely change for those people one day. It could be that they are more active as well slowing down heart disease progression. Cancers may get them first before heart disease happens. It's hard to know unless you actually travel there and observe them in person. It may not be what you think. It's really apple vs orange. Dr. Davis is specifically talking about USA population.

  • Patri Friedman

    2/28/2010 11:06:25 PM |

    Do you think that postprandial glucose response to a fixed meal is a good way to evaluate the effectiveness of a diet regimen?  I'm wondering how I can compare various diet alternatives (intermittent fasting vs. paleo, for example, because I don't have the willpower to do both) with simple tests.  Blood glucose tests are very appealing to me because they are easy to do at home.

    http://patrissimo.livejournal.com/1313795.html

  • DrStrange

    2/28/2010 11:14:58 PM |

    I feel like I am whipping a dead pony here but feel I must repeat this:  Increasing dietary fat increases insulin resistance.  It takes several weeks (at bare minimum 10-14 days) of dietary fat intake of 8-10% (and no more fat than that) for the body to adjust.  Once that happens, your readings will be totally different for a high UNrefined carb meal.  And I must emphasize that only one higher fat meal may re-establish your previous level of insulin resistance for several days to weeks once again.  Eating eggs, meats, high fat diet day after day and then one high carb meal is an altogether different experiment and does not tell you in any way how you would fair on a consistently low fat, high UNrefined carb diet.

    Really, once insulin resistance is reduced you will get totally different readings even for a refined carb meal as in a glucose tolerance test.

  • Anna

    2/28/2010 11:46:14 PM |

    Bobby,

    There's so much more to it than simply the amount of starch in the diet.  Starch is probably fine if the metabolism is functioning as it should.  But western diet and lifestyles often lead to a high amount of metabolic dysfunction, which eventually progresses to impaired glucose (& starch)  tolerance and finally diabetes.  Note that even in industrial Japan (where the diet has changed much in the past several decades), the rate of T2 diabetes incidence is quickly rising in the young.  

    This is a huge topic and there isn't enough discussion about it when various "traditional" diets are compared.

  • Dr. William Davis

    3/1/2010 1:28:15 PM |

    Dr. Strange--

    Sorry, but I don't buy it.

    I've seen the opposite effect play out countless times: High fasting glucoses and high postprandial glucoses normalize with reductions in carbohydrates, increases in fats.

    I saw this effect in myself over 15 years ago when I was diabetic. Now, I am no longer diabetic due to increased fats, dramatically reduced carbohydrates.

  • Dr. William Davis

    3/1/2010 1:31:16 PM |

    Bobby--

    Perhaps a topic for a future discussion.

    Being part Japanese, I can tell you that rice is typicaly eaten sprinkled with rice vinegar. That alone can modify glycemic responses.

    Also, I don't believe that the Japanese diet is that high-carbohydrate. Miso, nori, mebushi, fish, natto, tofu, etc.--aside from rice, these staples are low-carb or zero-carb.

    Also, check your blood sugar after rice; Nothing like wheat or sugars.

  • Bobby

    3/1/2010 1:55:03 PM |

    Dr. Davis: Thanks for the reply. I would love you discuss this topic in more detail in the future.
    Respectfully, I do take issue with your statement that the Japanese diet is not primarily a high carb diet. I lived in Japan for a few months and even lived with a family there. Our diet was primarily rice. Seaweeds and small amounts of fish were added, but it was basically a low carb, low fat diet. I absolutely agree that wheat played not part in their diet.
    I have enjoyed the topic. Bobby

  • DrStrange

    3/1/2010 3:33:23 PM |

    Dr.Davis, yes of course your blood sugar normalized when you drastically reduced carbs and increased fat!  You stopped eating foods directly convert to blood glucose!  The body can run on primarily glucose from carbs or by converting fats via ketosis, yes?

    What I am talking about takes a couple weeks at minimum to occur and that is a dramatic reduction in insulin resistance when dietary fats are consistently reduced to 8-10% total calories.

    The body seems to work either way, running primarily on carbs OR primarily on fats BUT NOT on both at once.  That seems to be where the big problems arise and is the SAD, high carb/high fat diet.  Also of course, SAD is high junk, fake food which greatly exacerbates the problems.

    The misunderstanding comes and is continually repeated because people try one meal of high carb after eating high fat over time so their body has fairly high IR.  You must eat very low fat, every single meal, for a couple weeks minimum to see the effect I am talking about and some people take longer than that for their bodies to loose the IR

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    3/1/2010 3:59:00 PM |

    Of topic, for which I apologise Dr. Davis, but here is an article in the mainstream media which questions the efficacy of omega-3 likening the taking of it to a "cult". - The cult of omega-3

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8543172.stm

    From the article: "There's no evidence that omega-3 reduces the risk of death or heart attack or stroke or anything like that in those of us who have not recently had a heart attack,"

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  • Dr. William Davis

    3/1/2010 6:21:10 PM |

    Dr. Strange--

    Fifteen years ago, I went on the Ornish diet: no meat, no oils, just vegetables, fruits, legumes, and whole grains. I also jogged 5-8 miles per day.

    I gained 30 lbs and became diabetic with blood sugars of 167 mg/dl or so.

    While my personal experience does not prove or disprove the concept, I've witnessed this phenomenon many, many times.

    Conversely, I have never seen anybody become a diabetic on a high-fat diet.

  • Beth

    3/1/2010 7:42:38 PM |

    FWIW, I measured BG before & after a breakfast of 1/2 cup oatmeal -- 94 before, 115 (1 hour) after.  That was with 1/4 cup ground flax, a handful of frozen cranberries (whole, no sugar) and 2 T of heavy cream.

    I have read that eating fat with carb lowers the effective glycemic index, which may help explain why the BG didn't rise much.

    Beth

  • Anonymous

    3/1/2010 11:20:00 PM |

    I learn so much from your blog here and at Health Central, Dr. Davis.  Thank you for the time you put into these free blogs.
    I am not diabetic but had gestational diabetes with each of my three pregnancies so I am very interested in doing things to help me not become diabetic.  I have tested my blood sugar after eating old fashioned oatmeal with nuts and a dash of milk and it stays below 100, very surprising.  However if I eat a meal of tomato soup and grilled cheese sandwich it will go over 160.  In testing like I do, I am learning what I can eat and what food combinations work for now.  I'll keep checking as time goes on.
    Char

  • Sifter

    3/2/2010 3:36:18 AM |

    Well, I bought a $10 'True" meter at Walgreens. Fasting reading after 9 hours of no food or drink,(morning) 91.  Ate two eggs cooked in butter, had a bagel ( I know, I know) with Skippy peanut butter on it. Waited 70  minutes, got a reading of 93. Hmmmm......I'm pretty sure everything is calibrated right. Does that second reading make sense?

  • westie

    3/3/2010 8:41:33 AM |

    Dr Strange:

    "The body seems to work either way, running primarily on carbs OR primarily on fats BUT NOT on both at once."

    That's right but how can you control how much fat or glucose your body uses? As Dr. Davis mentioned Ornish type diet + aerobic exercise does not work.

    I don't say that you are complete wrong of course. Insulin resistance is usually related to increased fatty acid avaibility and that will lead to the wise comment made by Stan (Heretic). When your subcutaneous adipose tissue functions normally you do not accumulate visceral fat and get metabolic syndrome and/or T2DM.

    I don't know if low carb will eventually restore health but it will certainly give more time and low blood glucose rapidly. But there may be limitations to low carb also since you have only limited access to decide what your body does with ingested foods.

  • DrStrange

    3/3/2010 9:17:04 PM |

    Westie, actually an Ornish type diet does work IF you do NOT eat refined carbs.  You have to only eat real, whole plant foods, as close to intact as possible.  Refined carbs will alway spike bg and raise triglyerides etc.  Some people do not do well on low carb diets.  I did Bernstein's version, very strict, for about 9 months and felt worse and worse as time went on.  Low low energy, irritable, post exercise exhaustion that would last 24-48 hours, absolutely no endurance.  Yes my blood sugar was good but it is even better on McDougall (Ornish type) diet.  My lipid profile is good.  I feel much better in every respect, much more healthy.  The diet does work and well!

  • westie

    3/4/2010 8:29:37 AM |

    DrStrange, loss of energy is very bad thing and I'm glad you found a way to overcome that.

    McDougall diet sounds very...hmmm...American. Avoiding fats and cholesterol seems to be a main goal. That seems to me quite stupid but I'm not a doctor so lack of knowledge could explain that.

    Like most diets designed by professionals McDougall diet has very good points but McDougall +fat +cholesterol +animal protein could do better.

    I don't know where these guys have come to the conclusion that if you don't eat fat you don't "have it". Every day most of the energy one uses comes from fats even on a McDougall diet.

  • DrStrange

    3/4/2010 3:06:13 PM |

    McDougall diet does not avoid fat, only no added, extracted fat.  Whatever is present already in plants is good for you and necessary.  Some people (me)(not all) add an ounce or so of flax or chia to get some additional omega 3 to balance the predominance of omega 6 in most veg and grains.  And no, you are not getting most of your calories from fat as the starches in the complex carbs convert quickly directly to glucose which is your energy source.  If you stuff yourself and overeat and get too many calories, then yes you get conversion of glucose to fat but it will go to storage.  Eating that kind of diet, your physiology is tuned to burning glucose and you will have plenty of glucose to burn, so you will store that fat.  Also, if you eat refined carbs, added sweeteners, dried fruit, things that spike blood sugar too high, then some of that will be converted to triglycerides and fat.

    Dr McDougall calls his diet "starch centered" as that is the source of fuel, starch converted to glucose.  This as opposed to a fat centered diet ie low carb, where you get your calories from burning fat.  Really not "American" but global as most traditional diets were/are starch centered with small amounts of animal products and mostly a wide variety of produce.

  • Drs. Cynthia and David

    3/4/2010 8:42:22 PM |

    DrStrange- you seem to be ignoring Dr. Davis's comment- Ornish did not work well for him (or for most people that I'm aware of).  I can't imagine anyone with "normal" metabolism who would not do better on a low carb diet.  There are people with carnitine defiencies or genetic defects that reduce fatty acid translocation across the mitochondria (such as palmitoylcarnitine transferase deficiency) who cannot use fatty acids effectively for fuel and must eat a high carb diet for energy.  But those people and types of metabolism are rare.  Perhaps you are one of them.

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  • westie

    3/5/2010 8:27:16 AM |

    DrStrange, if you eat low fat de novo lipogenesis increases automaticly. Fatty acid formation increases both in liver and in adipose tissue. With healthy insulin  sensitivity there are no problems with that. It's totally fine and healthy.

    Thinking that avoiding fat and staying on starch keeps fat out of the body is simple wrong and it is usually part of intentional marketing or unintentional black & white type thinking (stupidity?).

    Avoiding fat in fact leads to "hardening" of your lipid profile in AT since glucose is metabolized to palmitic acid in the liver and then transported to storage.

    McDougall diet has excellent ingredients but thinking that cholesterol or animal fat will automaticly lead to overweight and disease is truely false. You can claim it to be true and believe it but I'm sorry to say it seems to be false.

    Glucose and fats both makes important fuels and I personally love them both.

    Cynthia wrote:

    "I can't imagine anyone with "normal" metabolism who would not do better on a low carb diet."

    If a persons health is dependent on some kind of a restricting diet can you say that person has a healthy metabolism? It can be seen as "normal" but it sure isn't healthy. For type 2 diabetics low carb will bring lot of help and quite fast but will it make carbs bad? Not in my opinion.

    Things that cause metabolic syndrome, heart disease or other illnesses should be blaimed. Loss of insulin sensitivity is bad and restricting low calorie diets are bad. Most natural way to heal your metabolism is not through restriction, but through giving your body what it needs to recover and stay in good health and shape.

  • darloudasha

    3/6/2010 10:25:53 PM |

    I use to be a vegetarian.  I went months of eating nothing but whole grain (not just "brown" but things like millet and such) and veggies and fruit along with low or no fat protein sources like beans (I soaked them myself so they weren't even canned).  The only oils came from the very small amount of olive or canola oil I used in cooking.  My total fat was right about 10%.  After about 6 months my triglicerides had skyrocketed, my cholesterol was the same as it was before I started, my weight had increased and I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism, which I believe was directly correlated with the amount of "healthy, whole, natural" carbohydrates in my very low fat "healthy" diet.  I subsequently was also diagnosed diabetic.  I am now a 2 year low-carber.  My triglicerides have plummeted, my cholesterol is lower, and my HgA1C is under 6.0.  I have also lost 70 lbs.  Some people may or may not do better with low fat, non-refined carbs, but for me it not only did not improve my health, it nearly killed me.

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    Hope this is a useful reference for what is "normal".

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  • Jack

    11/24/2010 4:00:02 PM |

    Um. What is it with all this talk of skim milk and 2%? Are you guys serious? I don't mess around with that white poison anymore. Use raw milk or cream. Never pasteurized milk.

    Also, soaking oats in an acidic base drastically changes the composition of the oats, reducing phytates and improving digestion and nutrient absorption.

    Here's my oatmeal:
    - soak raw oats in raw whey overnight
    - dehydrate at 150 degress until crisp/dry
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    - one tablespoon of grass fed pasture butter
    - three tablespoons of heavy cream (no additives of any kind) or raw grass fed whole milk.
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  • Jack

    12/6/2010 9:15:52 PM |

    Wow! even better. Don't dehydrate the oats. Just drain after soaking in water (with whey) and put the soaked oats in a glass casserole dish.

    Add in some coconut oil, maybe a bit of raw honey and/or stevia, cinnamon, real vanilla, and bake at 350 degrees for 35 minutes.

    Cut a nice piece out and add some cream and pasture butter, maybe a few blueberries.

    #1 your whole house will smell like the holiday season.

    #2 you will have a nutrient filled serving of soaked oatmeal.

    I'd imagine though, with the honey and the oats, that even a normal sized serving will be on the higher side in carbs, so you wouldn't want to eat this all the time and you wouldn't want to have carb heavy foods for the remainder of your day.

    I know Dr Davis doesn't recommend oatmeal or butter, but if you're gonna do it you may as well do it right and I think this is leagues better than the instant garbage most people eat every single day. blucchhkk!

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