Heart attack guaranteed

What if you knew for a fact that your risk for heart attack was 100% by, say, age 58? This is indeed true for many people, though at age 60, 65, 70--or 45.

In other words, unless something were done about the causes of heart disease, you would inevitably suffer a heart attack at 58.

What sort of action could you take at age 45?

Obviously, not smoking is an absolute requirement. Continue and you may as well start getting your affairs together.

How about exercising and eating a generally healthy diet? Will your risk be reduced to zero? No. It might be reduced 20-30%, depending on genetic factors.

How about a statin drug? Watch TV ads during Oprah, and you might think it's a cure. But in reality, while it is a financial bonanza for the drug manufacturers, it will reduce risk for heart attack by 30%.

(Note that risk reduction by following multiple strategies is not necessarily additive. In other words, if you have a healthy lifestyle and take a statin agent, is risk reduced 60% (30 + 30)? No, because the effects may overlap.)

So, eating healthy, exercising, and taking a statin drug might reduce risk 35-40%, maybe 50% in the best case scenario. Would you be satisfied? Most would not.

Add fish oil at a truly therapeutic dose. Risk reduction by itself: 28%.

Add niacin or other strategies for correction of your individual, specific causes of heart disease: Now we're up to 90% reduction.

Throw in a tracking process to prove whether or not atherosclerotic plaque has progressed or reversed. Now we're approaching 100% if plaque reverses. The only way I know how to track plaque is through CT heart scans. What other test is readily available to you with low radiation exposure, yet is relatively inexpensive and precise? It certainly is not stress testing, heart catheterization, CT angiograms, or other techniques. Cholesterol won't tell you. Besides CT heart scans, there's nothing else I know of.

Let's fact it: For many people, uncorrected risk for heart attack is truly 100% at some age. Take action while you can.

That, in a nutshell, is the Track Your Plaque program.

Heart scan curiosities 3



This is a sample image from the heart scan of a 54-year old, 212 lb, 5 ft 2 inch woman. The heart is the whitish-gray in the center; lungs are the dark (air-filled) areas on either side of the heart. Note the massive amount of surrounding gray tissues that encircles the heart and lungs. This is fat. At this weight, the diameter of total fat exceeds the combined diameter of the heart and lungs. If we were to show the abdomen, there would be even more fat. (The image shows the body not well centered because the technologist centers the heart, since this is, after all, a heart scan.)





This is a 55-year old, 151 lb, 5 ft 4 inch woman. Note the contrast in the quantity of fat tissue surrounding the chest, a much more normal appearance. Note that this woman is still around 25 lb over ideal weight, but not to the extreme degree of the woman above.

Another curious observation: Note the more whitish streaking in the heavier woman's lungs. Heart scans are performed while holding a deep inspiration (a deep breath inwards), mostly to eliminate lung respiratory motion during image acquisition. Nonetheless, the heavier woman's lungs are not as fully expanded as the more slender woman. In other words, the heavier woman cannot inflate her lungs as effectively as the thinner woman. Ever notice how breathless heavy people are? Some of this effect is just being out of shape. But there's also the added effect of the abdominal fat exerting upwards compression on the lung tissues, and the constrictive effect of the encircling fat mass. At the beginning of inspiration, the chest fat exerts the resistance of inertia to inspiration that is absent, or less, in a slender person. With each breath, the heavy woman must move 50 lbs or so of surrounding fat mass just to inhale.

The heavier woman is, in effect, suffocating herself in fat.

The distortions to the human body incurred by extreme weight gain are both fascinating and shocking. I hope you're breathing easily.

The shameful "standard of care"

John's initial heart scan four years ago showed a score of 329. His physician prescribed Zocor for a somewhat high LDL cholesterol.

One year later, John asked for another scan. His score: 385, a 17% increase. John exercised harder and cut his fat intake.

This past fall--3 years after his last scan--John had yet another heart scan. Score: 641, a 66% increase over the last scan, all the while on Zocor.

John sought an opinion from a reputable cardiologist. He concurred with the prescription of Zocor and advised annual stress tests. That's it.

Followers of the Track Your Plaque approach know that the expected uncorrected rate of increase in heart scan score is 30% per year. On Zocor or other cholesterol reducing statin agent, a common rate of growth is between 18-24% per year--better but not great. Plaque growth is certainly not stopped.

But that is the full extent of interest and responsibility of your cardiologist. Prescribe a statin drug, perform a stress test, and the full extent of his obligation has been fulfilled. In legal terms, your physician has met the prevailing
"standard of care". No more, no less.

In other words, the prevailing standard of care falls shamefully short of what is truly possible. For the majority of the motivated and interested, coronary plaque reversal--reduction of your heart scan score--should be the standard aimed for. It's not always achievable, but it is so vastly superior to the prescribe statin, wait for heart attack approach endorsed by most cardiologists.

Heart scan curiosities 2



This is an example of a so-called "hiatal hernia", meaning the stomach has migrated through the diaphragmatic hiatus into the chest--the stomach is literally in the chest. This example is an unusually large one. Hiatal hernias can cause chest pain, indigestion, and a variety of other gastrointestinal complaints. Heart scans are reasonably useful to screen for this disorder, though very small ones could escape detection by this method.

Sometimes, you can actually hear the gurgling of stomach contents (the common "growling" stomach) by listening to the chest. Large ones like this actually crowd your heart (the gray structure above the circled hernia), irritating it and even causing abnormal rhythm disorders. The dense dark material within the hernia represents lunch.

I would not advocate CT heart scans as a principal method to make a diagnosis, but sometimes it just pops up during a heart scan and we pass it on to the person scanned.

Vitamin D: New Miracle Drug

At the meetings of the American Society of Bone and Mineral Research, Dr. Bruce Troen of the University of Miami detailed his views on the extraordinary benefits of vitamin D replacement. He also talked about the enormous problem of unrecognized vitamin deficiency.

“There’s a huge epidemic of hypovitaminosis D, and the real key here is not just that it’ll benefit you from a bone and neuromuscular standpoint, but if you correct hypovitaminosis D and the corresponding secondary hyperparathyroidism, then you’re going to decrease prostate cancer, colon cancer—actually “up to 17 different cancers, breast cancer included.”

Unfortunately, Dr. Troen did not talk much about the heart benefits of vitamin D, likely since the data is scant, nearly non-existent. However, if the Track Your Plaque experience means anything, I predict that vitamin D replacement will become among the most powerful tools you can use to gain control over coronary plaque.

Read the text of a report from the Internal Medicine World Report to read more of Dr. Troen's comments.


http://www.imwr.com/article.php?s=IMWR/2006/11&p=40

Heart disease "reversal" by stress test


Here's an interesting example of a 71-year old man who achieved "reversal" of an abnormality by a nuclear stress test.

This man underwent bypass surgery around 10 years ago, two stents three years ago. A nuclear stress test in April, 2005 showed an area of poor blood flow in the front of the heart. On the images, normal blood flow is shown by the yellow/orange areas. poor or absent blood flow is shown by the blue/purple areas within the white outline.

Now, I can tell you that this man is no paragon of health. He's only accepted limited changes in his otherwise conventional program--in other words, someone who I'd be shocked achieved true reversal of his heart disease. (I didn't have him undergo any CT heart scans because of the difficulties in scoring someone who has undergone bypass surgery and stents, and because of limited motivation. True plaque reversal is for the motivated.)This patient did, however, accept adding fish oil and niacin to his program.

Nonetheless, stress testing can be helpful as a "safety check". Here's the follow-up stress test:
You'll notice that the blue/purple areas of poor blood flow have just about disappeared. This occurred without procedures.

Does this represent "reversal"? No, it does not. It does represent reversal of this phenomenon of poor flow. It does not represent reversal of the plaque lining the artery wall. That's because improvement of flow, as in this man, can be achieved with relatively easy efforts, e.g., improvement in diet, statin drugs, blood pressure control, etc. True reversal or reduction of coronary plaque, however, is tougher.

If blood flow is improved, who cares whether plaque shrinks? Does it still matter? It does. That's because the "event" that gets us in trouble is not progressive reduction in blood flow, but "rupture" of a plaque. A reduction in plaque--genuine reversal--is what slashes risk of plaque rupture.

Calcium reflects total plaque





People frequently ask, "Why measure coronary artery calcium? My doctor said that calcium only tells you if there's hard plaque, and that hard plaque is stable. He/she says that calcium doesn't tell you anything about soft plaque."

Is that true? Is calcium only a reflection of "hard" plaque? Is hard plaque also more stable, less prone to rupture and causes heart attack?

Actually, calcium is a means of measuring total plaque, both soft and hard. That's because calcium comprises 20% of total plaque volume. Within plaque, there may be areas that are soft (labeled "lipid pool" in the diagram). There are also areas made of calcium (shown in white arcs within the plaque). Even though this is just a graphic, it's representative of what is seen when we perform intracoronary ultrasound of a live human being's coronary artery. In other words, this cross section contains both "soft" (lipid pool) as well as "hard" (calcium) elements.

Is this artery "soft" or "hard"? It's both, of course. The artery compostion can vary millimeter by millimeter, having more soft or hard elements. The artery can also change over time in either direction. Thus, "soft" plaque may indeed be soft today, only to be "hard" in 6 months, and vice versa.

The essential point is that measuring just "soft" plaque provides limited information. What the CT heart scan does is provide a gauge of total plaque, soft and hard, and it does so easily, safely, precisely. If your score increases, the lengthwise volume of total plaque has also grown. If your score decreases, the total amount of plaque has also decreased.

Don't mistake marketing for truth

We're all so inundated with marketing messages for food. Unfortunately, many people confuse the messages delivered through marketing with the truth.

For instance:

Pork: "The other white meat." Pork is a high-saturated fat food.

"Bananas: A great source of potassium." Bananas are a high glycemic index (rapid sugar release), low fiber food.

"Pretzels: A low-fat snack." A high glycemic index food made from white wheat flour. It makes you fat and skyrockets blood sugar.

Jif peanut butter: "Choosy moms choose Jif." Do they also choose hydrogenated fats?

Hi-C: Upbeat jingles like "Who put the straw in my Hi-C fruit drink, a new cool straw that wriggles and bends? Who put the straw in my Hi-C fruit drink, with Vitamin C for me and my friends? Who was that man, I'd like to shake his hand, he made my Hi-C cooler than before!" What about the 25 grams of sugar per 4 oz serving? And the high fructose corn syrup that creates an insatiable sweet tooth, raises triglycrides 30%, and exagerates pre-diabetes?


Marketing is not reliable, unbiased information. If Ford boasts that their cars are superior to GM, do you say "Well then, I need to buy a Ford?" Of course not. Take marketing for what it is: A method of persuading people to buy. It may or may not contain the truth. It's a big part of the reason Americans are the fattest people on earth and are experiencing an explosion of chronic diseases of excess.

Tattered Red Dress

"Are you taking your health to heart? Perhaps you understand the importance of eating a diet low in cholesterol or getting 30 minutes of exercise a day. But do you know your own risk of developing cardiovascular disease?


It’s time to take your heart health personally. Heart disease is the No. 1 killer of American women — and that means it is not “someone else’s problem.” As a woman, it’s your problem.

That’s where the Go Red Heart Checkup comes in. This comprehensive evaluation of your overall heart health can help you now and in the future. By knowing your numbers and assessing your risks now, you can work with your doctor to significantly reduce your chances of getting heart disease tomorrow, next year, or 30 years from now!"



So reads some of the materials promoted by the American Heart Association Red Dress campaign to increase awareness of heart disease in women. The effort is well-intended. There is no doubt that most women are unaware of just how common coronary disease is in females.

But I've got a problem with the solutions offered. "Know your numbers"? Eat healthy, don't be overweight, be active, don't smoke. That's the gist of the program's message--nothing new. In 2006, why would some sort of screening effort for detectin of heart disease not be part of the message? Why isn't there any message about the real, truly effective means to detect hidden heart disease in women--namely, heart scanning?

Does a 58-year old woman with normal blood pressure, LDL 144, HDL 51, 20 lbs overweight have hidden heart disease? I've said it before and I'll say it again: You can't tell from the numbers. She could die of a heart attack tomorrow without warning, or maybe she'll be dancing on our graves when she's 95 and never have experienced any manifestation of heart disease. The numbers will not tell you this.

I'm glad the American Heart Association has seen fit to invest its sponsors' money in a campaign to promote prevention. I wish they hadn't fallen so far short of a truly helpful message. Perhaps the sponsors (like Pfizer, maker of Lipitor) will benefit, anyway.

Panic in the streets

Several days ago, I wrote about a local prominent judge in my neighborhood who was unexpectedly found dead in bed of a heart attack at age 49.

As expected, I've received multiple calls from patients and physicians who want heart catheterizations. For instance, an internist I know called me in a panic. He asked that I perform a heart catheterization in a patient with a heart scan score of 768. I've been seeing this patient for about a year. He's without symptoms, even with strenuous exercise; stress tests (i.e., tests of coronary bloow flow) have been normal.

I remind patients and colleagues every day, day in day out: Having a heart scan score revealing some measure of coronary plaque is not a sufficient reason by itself to proceed with procedures. Fear of suffering a fate like the unfortunate judge is also not a reason to proceed with procedures.

Increased awareness of the gravity of heart disease is a good thing. Some good can come out of a needless tragedy like this. The lesson from the judge's unfortunate experience: he needed a CT heart scan. I'm told that the judge's doctor advised him that a heart scan was a waste of time. I hope that appropriate legal action for negligence is taken by the judge's family against this physician.

Not doing a heart scan is wrong. That's the lesson to learn. The lesson is not that everybody with coronary plaque needs a procedure. Had the judge undergone a simple heart scan, intensified prevention could have been instituted and he'd still be alive with his wife and children today.

The indications for procedures are unchanged by your heart scan. If a stress test is abnormal and indicates poor flow to a part of the heart, that would be a reason. If symptoms like chest discomfort or breathlessness appear, that's an indication. If there's evidence of poor heart muscle contraction, that's a reason to proceed with a procedure. But just having coronary plaque is not a sufficient reason.
Drama with the Dr. Oz Show

Drama with the Dr. Oz Show

A producer from the Dr. Oz show recently contacted my office. They asked whether we could supply them with a volunteer patient from either my practice or the Track Your Plaque program who would be willing to appear on the show and discuss heart disease prevention. They needed someone to commit within 24 hours.

Despite the short notice, we identified a volunteer. He flew to New York the following week where he was interviewed along with several other men and women, all of whom had heart disease (heart attacks, stents, etc.). However, as this young man is very slender and follows most of the Track Your Plaque principles (e.g., vitamin D and omega-3 fatty acid supplementation; no wheat, cornstarch, or sugars, no restriction of fat, etc.), he apparently received less attention than the overweight, I-know-nothing-about-diet interviewees.

Then there was an odd turn of events: Dr. Dean Ornish, apparently a friend of Dr. Oz, will be providing the dietary counseling. The producer had made no mention of Dr. Ornish.

Now that's an odd collision of philosophies: Our Track Your Plaque version of low-carb with the guru of low-fat, Dr. Ornish.

The following week, Dr. Ornish called me and graciously asked whether I was okay with this. I'm not sure just how much he knew about the philosophy I advocate, nor how much I have bashed his program as a destructive approach to diet, nor whether he knew that I gained 30 lbs on the Ornish diet, along with a drop in HDL to 27 mg/dl, increased triglycerides to 350 mg/dl, and type II diabetes that I've talked about on this blog and the Track Your Plaque book and website. I suspect he knew little to none of this.

Anyway, I tried to diplomatically explain that my patient's cause for coronary plaque was small LDL particles that he expressed despite his very slender build, likely from excessive carbohydrates, controlled with carbohydrate restriction. Dr. Ornish maintained his usual arguments: Grains are good, provided they are whole grains, heart disease is "reversed" with his diet program, etc. (I didn't want to challenge him in a phone call and tell him that he never actually reversed coronary plaque, but just reversed endothelial dysfunction. But, as Dr. Ornish is not a cardiologist, I wasn't sure how far his understanding of these issues went.)

We agreed to disagree. This leaves my poor patient in an odd position: Being asked by Dr. Ornish and the Dr. Oz show to follow a low-fat program for the sake of entertainment, or adhering to the advice we follow that has so far served him well, given his small LDL particle size tendencies.

We'll see where this little drama leads.

Comments (27) -

  • preserve

    4/11/2010 2:10:12 PM |

    This can be very educational.  We can find out the effects of Dr. Ornish's diet, directly prescribed by him.  This provides a pretty comparison test.

  • Anne

    4/11/2010 3:12:55 PM |

    If I had been the person flown to NYC for the show and was told they wanted me to follow the Ornish plan, I would have told them "No way." and walked out.

    I tried the Ornish diet when I first started having problems with CAD and multiple stents. I found the diet very difficult and it left me hungry. I did the meditation too.  I don't know what my lipid levels were at that time. I then went to the AHA diet that caused my triglycerides, cholesterol and weight to all rise and the answer was to get on statins and I went on to have bypass.

    In 2008 I started following a TYP lifestyle plan. Here is what happened http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/beating-heart-association-diet-is.html

  • Ned Kock

    4/11/2010 3:54:15 PM |

    Interesting, particularly the involvement of Dr. Ornish. Dr. Oz seems to be changing his tone lately - less critical of fats or more of refined carbs.

    By the way, you mentioned several times on your blog that the  Friedewald equation is very imprecise, providing a fictitious measure of LDL, particularly as TGs go down.

    What is your opinion of the Iranian equation? It seems to be more precise for those with low TGs, and maybe more precise in general, as its parameters were estimated through multiple linear regression:

    http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/2010/04/friedewald-and-iranian-equations.html

    Of course, a VAP or equivalent test would be better, but a lot of people would like to have a more precise number based on their standard lipid profile results.

  • JD

    4/11/2010 3:57:26 PM |

    Dr. Oz's wife Lisa is a vegetarian and IIRC a producer of his radio show. Dr. Oz has been quoted as saying that "everything he knows about nutrition he learned from his wife". Given his source of nutrition education I am not surprised he is on good terms with Dr. Ornish. As Dr. Eades says, "Jesus wept".

  • Mark

    4/11/2010 4:06:06 PM |

    Subjects on Dr. Oz are chosen w/entertainment value in mind.  Dr. Oz consistently gives contradicting advice at different times aimed at large audiences with the air that one size fits all. I will stay with my individualized TYP approach and leave him and his advice to entertain the masses.

  • Alcinda (Cindy) Moore

    4/11/2010 5:25:48 PM |

    If it was me, no contest. I'd stick with you! I am not a fan or Oz....and can't stand Ornish!

  • Rantin' Rog

    4/11/2010 5:31:38 PM |

    While I don't agree with Ornish, I think this is an exciting development.  Maybe he will learn something from your patient!  Any common ground and exchange of ideas is a good thing.

  • Brett

    4/11/2010 9:08:37 PM |

    Why didn't Oz or Ornish simply invite you, Dr. Davis, to be on the show? You're (cough) down with the low-fat program, right?

  • pjnoir

    4/12/2010 2:13:45 AM |

    AMBUSH. Low FAT will always win the debate because they set the facts- its just like Alice in Wonderland. Nothing good can come of this. I saw Doc OZ pour some cooking oil in his hand and say to a women- see,image this running through your veins. If thats the case- Id hate to see what Oatmeal looks like in those veins. And don't get me started on DO.

  • Gina

    4/12/2010 4:17:48 AM |

    This is the reason I turned my TV off for good over 9 years ago!
    Oz and Ornish and entertainment...why do people believe every word theses guys say? Oh maybe because Oprha says they're the best. Good God, with a computer and internet available to almost anyone who can view a TV why don't they ask some questions and do some research. Oh maybe because this is all in the name of entertainment.
    Keep up the great work Doc. I love the blog!

  • Dr. William Davis

    4/12/2010 11:31:47 AM |

    I remind myself that Dr. Ornish et al are all trying to work towards the same goal: reduction of heart disease risk. It's just that we disagree on how we get there. I think his heart is in the right place, but I worry that he perpetuates a message that is outdated and, in many cases, destructive.

    Ned--

    The "Iranian equation" is definitely an improvement, despite being nothing more than a manipulation of numbers. However, it does not uncover the hidden sources of risk that are NOT expressed by the basic lipid numbers, no matter how much you massage them.

  • Peter

    4/12/2010 11:47:49 AM |

    I don't think your disagreements with Ornish are as black and white as you suggest: he has been telling people for thirty years to stop eating sugar and other refined carbohydrates, he thinks well enough of heart scans to have one himself (scored zero), and both you and he choose whole foods over processed foods in a heartbeat (that was a joke about heartbeat.) This is not to say that your views are the same.

  • Dr. William Davis

    4/12/2010 11:58:05 AM |

    I agree, Peter.

    While the differences are fundamental, there is perhaps 70% overlap. And we are indeed aiming for the same goal.

  • George

    4/12/2010 5:03:09 PM |

    Dr. Davis, Hopefully something good will come from this. I would love to see status updates of what develops here. Beginning/Ending lipid profiles, what changes your volunteer makes in their diet based on Ornish, etc. Very, very interesting, looking forward to see what happens. Do we know when this will possibly air?

  • Anonymous

    4/12/2010 5:38:02 PM |

    pjnoir is correct.  It is an ambush.

    Ornish is not 'growing', and Oz is not about to admit he's been wrong all this time.

    You are about to be mocked and held up as a quack.

    It is a shame that they have the megaphone and you don't, but that is our perverted medical/money/fame/power system.

  • Health Test Dummy

    4/12/2010 8:07:33 PM |

    Not that I think these types of doctors are 'dumb', per-say, however, it angers me as to their 'ignorance'. I have absolutely the highest respect for all doctors who search for the 'proactive' solution. I think anyone who sticks with the 'lemmings-style' mantra, in regards to science, is only asking for humiliation and self-destruction down the road. The Ansel Keys-inspired lipid hypothesis, I believe, has been absolutely shot down by CORRECT scientific methods for analyzing it's true health benefits. Throwing together some generalized 'meta-analysis' and touting it as 'truth' for the past 50 years shows us just how 'lemming-like' we truly are as a society. This information is a type of regurgitated (telephone game) bit of information that sticks to everything like glue, due to bad media and doctors who refuse to proactively search for alternative solutions based on true scientific formulas (have we all forgotten the 7th grade science class teachings of 'control group' and other forms of scientific analysis?).

    Anyway, it blows my mind. Meanwhile, I will continue to be mocked and viewed upon by my peers as 'weird' or 'out there', whilst they are all 10% + bodyfat % above me.

  • John

    4/12/2010 9:45:40 PM |

    I can vouch for the wisdom of Dr. Davis, I recently switched cardiologists to one that would listen to me about how I changed my diet since November of last year alas with the recommendations on this website I was so fortunate to come across.

    In November  
    Total Cholesterol 295
    LDL 191
    HDL 56
    TG 235
    I was immediately put on 5 mg of Crestor daily.

    Now today... after changing my diet (no wheat, no HFCS, low carbs) ( I cheat every once in awhile  but rarely, sushi with rice is my weakness..but one meal a week if at all) and still take the Crestor... after getting bloodwork from new cardiologist.

    New Numbers
    Total Cholesterol 200
    LDL 121
    HDL 61
    TG 90

    And the best part... I dropped 27 lbs and dropped a pants size...not bad for a 45 year old guy. At 6'4" and 209 pounds I'm ecstatic. Goal weight is 195 lbs that I was 15 years ago when I got married.

    Best thing is... my new cardiologist told me to take the 5 mg of Crestor EVERY OTHER DAY NOW... very happy about that. He said what you're doing with your diet and some exercise is reaping positive changes. He finished with we'll see you in 6 months to reevaluate your progress and go from there. Obviously my goal is to get off the statin for good and I think I can accomplish that with eating the Dr. Davis way.

    Thanks for the great advice you give Dr. Davis.

  • Lou

    4/13/2010 12:01:39 AM |

    Hope your patient is well prepared to provide information why she/he is doing all of that that you had him/her doing. Hope it turns out well for your patient and you.

  • Dr. William Davis

    4/13/2010 1:45:20 AM |

    I'm told that the Dr. Oz show featuring our patient will be aired Wednesday, April 14th.

    I'm not too worried about any bad press it might create. I have always been confident that the truth will win out.

  • Rob

    4/13/2010 9:37:38 PM |

    That is unfortunate. It would have been a great study, but unfortunately Dean Ornish's diet has no evidence to support it is healthy. I would politely refuse to have anything to do with that low-fat diet crap.

    http://productreviewratings.com/2010/02/fat-and-cholesterol-are-good-for-you/

  • Anonymous

    4/14/2010 5:08:46 PM |

    I just checked my Tivo and found this particular Dr. Oz show will be aired on WFLD in Chicago on April 14th at 4:00 pm and then once again on April 15th at 10:00 am.

    David

  • kdhartt

    4/15/2010 1:10:21 AM |

    Just watched it. Fish oil made the cut, not pills even, but something to have with your salad. 30 min exercise. Some yoga for stress. Impressive animations of arteries and plaque and rupture. A lot of low-fat dogma. I must say I learned nothing.

  • rhc

    4/15/2010 3:17:18 AM |

    I just watched the show and I must say it was VERY convincing since Dr. Oz had photos of the improved arteries of two of the patients. In addition, one of Dr. Ornish's original patients  who had been on the heart transplant list 25 years ago was also there - looking quite radiant and healthy. They showed pictures of his heart before and after as well.

    It is all so confusing to me since both sides have their 'proof' and scientific evidence. And let's face it most people will believe the benefits of 'lowfat' over 'highfat' any day.

    Dr. Davis could you please explain your answer to Dr. Ornish:
    “(I didn't want to challenge him in a phone call and tell him that he never actually reversed coronary plaque, but just reversed endothelial dysfunction. But, as Dr. Ornish is not a cardiologist, I wasn't sure how far his understanding of these issues went.)”

    I have no medical training, so forgive my ignorance, but it seems to me that if a diet reverses heart disease it doesn’t matter wether it is by reversing plaque or by reversing a dysfunction – the end result is what counts…doesn't it?

  • Anonymous

    4/15/2010 4:27:47 PM |

    Well I watched the show and couldnt tell which guest was the one that Dr D recommended.
    But certainly heart disease reversal was the predominate theme. Interesting graphics were used to explain plaque build up and blockage. But nothing on the components of cholesteral or small LDL. Nothing about blood sugar monitoring. On reversal startegies, weight control and exercise were trotted out as important elements ... not particularly new or enlightening. But when it came to diet there was almost a whole hearted endorsement of carbs ... oatmeal with plenty of fruit for breakfast, whole grain bread, rice etc.   Curiously fish oils where mentioned only briefly (almost in passing), and there was nothng on Vitamin D or Niacin.
    Not even statins (pro or con) were mentioned.

    All in all not at all informative! ... perhaps even misleading by what was not said ... a very poor performance imho.

  • Dr. William Davis

    4/15/2010 6:36:25 PM |

    I've so far only been able to view some of the introductory dietary comments, the "whole wheat cereal for breakfast" and "low-fat granola bar" for a snack.

    That little bit made me shudder. It brought back memories of all the low-fat blunders we made 15 years ago until we saw that substantial numbers of people were made pre-diabetic or diabetic with this routine.

  • kdhartt

    4/15/2010 10:46:31 PM |

    There was a 70% carbs, 10% fat pie chart. Must do to reverse heart disease. Nutritious meal (for six) portrayed as a death wish. Ornish as god. Not our cup of tea.

  • Anonymous

    4/16/2010 6:37:28 AM |

    Hey, at least they didn't attack you, Dr. D.  That's what I was thinking would happen.

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