Do stents prevent reversal?

I've seen this phenomenon several times now: A highly-motivated Track Your Plaque participant with a stent in one artery will do all the right things--lose weight, achieve 60:60:60 in basic lipids, identify and correct hidden lipoprotein disorders, take fish oil, correct vitamin D, etc.

Follow-up heart scan shows dramatic reduction in scoring in the two arteries without stents--30% per artery. But the artery with the stent will show marked increase in scoring above and/or below the stent. (It's impossible to tell what happens in or around the stent itself from a calcium scoring standpoint, since steel looks just like calcium on a CT heart scan.) In other words, there is marked plaque growth in the vicinity of the stent, despite the fact that dramatic reversal of atherosclerosis has occurred in other arteries without stents.

Should we take this to mean that a stent destroys the opportunity for atherosclerotic plaque reversal in the stented artery? I don't know, but I fear this may be true. What dangers does this different sort of plaque pose? Is it the result of the injury imposed at time of stent implantation, some modification of flow or biologic responses as a result of the presence of the stent?

These are all unanswered questions. But I believe that it is yet another suggestive piece of evidence that the best stent is no stent at all.

At what score should I have a heart cath?

This question comes up frequently: At what specific heart scan score should a heart catheterization be performed? In other words, is there a specific cut-off that automatically triggers a need for catheterization?

In my view, there is no such score. We can't say, for instance, that everybody with a score above 1000 should have a catheterization. It is true that the higher your score, the greater the likelihood of a plaque blocking flow. A score of 1000 carries an approximately 25-30% likelihood of reduced blood flow sufficient to consider a stent or bypass. This can nearly always be settled with a stress test. Recall that, despite their pitfalls for uncovering hidden heart disease in the first place, stress tests are useful as gauges of coronary blood flow.

But even a score of 1000 carries a 70-75% likelihood that a procedure will not be necesary. This is too high to justify doing heart catheterizations willy-nilly.

Unfortunately, some my colleagues will say that any heart scan score justifies a heart cath. I believe this is absolutely, unquestionably, and inexcusably wrong. More often than not, this attitude is borne out of ignorance, laziness, or a desire for profit.

Does every lump or bump justify surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy on the chance it could represent cancer? Of course not. There is indeed a time and place for these things, but judgment is involved.

In my view, no heart scan score should autmatically prompt a major heart procedure like heart catheterization in a person without symptoms.

Niacin makes NY Times

In the wake of the crash and burn of Pfizer's torcetrapib, media attention has turned up the miracles of . . .good old niacin. The NY Times carried a well-written report on niacin in its recent report, An Old Cholesterol Remedy Is New Again.


(Read the entire report at http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/23/health/23consume.html?em&ex=1169701200&en=670fa84ae2ea648c&ei=5087%0A)

Among their comments:

...torcetrapib worked primarily by increasing HDL, or good cholesterol. Among other functions, HDL carries dangerous forms of cholesterol from artery walls to the liver for excretion. The process, called reverse cholesterol transport, is thought to be crucial to preventing clogged arteries.

Many scientists still believe that a statin combined with a drug that raises HDL would mark a significant advance in the treatment of heart disease. But for patients now at high risk of heart attack or stroke, the news is better than it sounds. An effective HDL booster already exists.

It is niacin, the ordinary B vitamin.

In its therapeutic form, nicotinic acid, niacin can increase HDL as much as 35 percent when taken in high doses, usually about 2,000 milligrams per day. It also lowers LDL, though not as sharply as statins do, and it has been shown to reduce serum levels of artery-clogging triglycerides as much as 50 percent. Its principal side effect is an irritating flush caused by the vitamin’s dilation of blood vessels.

Despite its effectiveness, niacin has been the ugly duckling of heart medications, an old remedy that few scientists cared to examine. But that seems likely to change.

“There’s a great unfilled need for something that raises HDL,” said Dr. Steven E. Nissen, a cardiologist at the Cleveland Clinic and president of the American College of Cardiology. “Right now, in the wake of the failure of torcetrapib, niacin is really it. Nothing else available is that effective.”

In 1975, long before statins, a landmark study of 8,341 men who had suffered heart attacks found that niacin was the only treatment among five tested that prevented second heart attacks. Compared with men on placebos, those on niacin had a 26 percent reduction in heart attacks and a 27 percent reduction in strokes. Fifteen years later, the mortality rate among the men on niacin was 11 percent lower than among those who had received placebos.

'Here you have a drug that was about as effective as the early statins, and it just never caught on,' said Dr. B. Greg Brown, professor of medicine at the University of Washington in Seattle. 'It’s a mystery to me. But if you’re a drug company, I guess you can’t make money on a vitamin.'



Of course, you and I don't have to wait for the media to endorse something. I'm nonetheless thrilled that this hugely helpful vitamin is gaining greater recognition. My preferred form nowadays is over-the-counter SloNiacin (Upsher Smith). Weve seen no liver side-effects and a minimal quantity of flushing. It's also reasonably priced, $13.99 for 100 tablets of 500 mg at Walgreen's. That's a lot cheaper than prescription Niaspan at $130 for 60 tablets.

Perhaps the notoriety will cut back on the silly responses from some physicians that I still hear about from patients: "My doctor said to stop the niacin because it's going to destroy my liver."

Wheat: the nicotine of food

Yes, we know that wheat contributes to creating small LDL, drops HDL, raises triglycerides, and VLDL. We also know it indirectly slows the clearance of after-eating fats from the blood (curious, I know). Wheat products also increase inflammation (C-reactive protein), raise blood sugar, and contribute tremendously to diabetes.

What many people don't know is that wheat products also have an addictive quality: have one donut and you want another. It's true for bread, breakfast cereals, pretzels, cookies, etc. How many times have you had just one Oreo cookie?

Curiously, elimination of wheat products, unlike elimination of nicotine, usually causes the cravings to disappear. In other words, if you stop smoking cigarettes, the desire to smoke doesn't go away. With wheat products, the often overwhelming desire for more wheat products often just goes away.

But most people are simply unable to dramatically reduce or eliminate wheat products from their daily diet and therefore struggle each and every day with excessive cravings for bagels, donuts, cookies, breads, etc.

Try this useful experiment: Eliminate wheat products for a month and see what happens. Most people drop blood pressure, lose the tummy excess, feel more alert, see a drop in blood sugar, experience improvements in lipoproteins, and regain control over appetite.

Good time for a heart attack?

Man Has Heart Attack At Right Place, Right Time

If Robert Ricard had picked the wrong restaurant for lunch, he might have died.

The 71-year-old Michigan man suffered a heart attack shortly after ordering a glass of wine with friends at Bentley's Roadhouse on Saturday.

Luckily, a disaster medical team was sitting nearby.



A TV station in Michigan reported the above story. You've heard these "if it wasn't for ___, so and so would have died" stories. They're reported in all cities at one time or another.

What amazes me about these common local stories is that they're accepted at all. The question that comes to my mind is "Why couldn't the heart attack have been averted in the first place?" Early identification then, as close as humanly possible, elimination of risk would have been a preferable path.

Of course, it may not be the role of the media to cast judgement on why and how the entire episode could have been completely prevented from occurring. But you shouldn't fall into the same trap of complacency. We cannot expect others to save us when the "big one" hits. Your best assurance is to never have one in the first place.

How good is the South Beach Diet?

I'm a fan of the South Beach Diet.

Though it is billed as a program for weight loss (for which it is very effective), it is really a program for health. The basic approach of South Beach involves:

Eat good fats — Choose good fats from olive oil, canola oil, peanut oil, flaxseed oil, walnut oil, avocados, nuts, and fish. Omega-3 (fish oil) supplements are also fine.


Eat good carbs — Good carbs include high-fiber, nutrient-dense fruits, vegetables, legumes, and whole grains.

Eat lean protein — Good sources include eggs, low-fat dairy, nuts, seeds, legumes, skinless white-meat poultry, fish, shellfish, lean cuts of meat, and vegetarian options such as tofu.

(From The South Beach Diet, Dr. Arthur Agatston)


There's no doubt that South Beach can yield dramatic weight loss. In my experience, the success in weight loss depends on 1) how unhealthy your diet was in the first place, and 2) how long you can stick to Phase I, the inital phase during which weight loss is most dramatic. Some people have to periodically cycle back to Phase I to break a "plateau" or to lose faster.

But South Beach is also healthy. It has all the ingredients of a healthy eating program: Low saturated and hydrogenated fats, rich in monounsaturated fats, high fiber, low- to moderate- glycemic index, vegetables and fruits, lean proteins.

The Atkins' diet, in contrast, while very effective for weiglht loss, is an unhealthy process. I've seen lots of bladder infections, constipation, skin rashes, and kidney stones. That's just in the short term. If you stick to the "induction phase" (the no carbohydrate, low fiber, indiscriminate fat initial phase) for an extended period, I suspect that other adverse internal phenemena also develop that might not show for years, like cancer. But--it does work for weight loss!

South Beach's Phase I is also carbohydrate restricted, but steers you towards healthier foods, such as healthy oils from olive and canola, raw or dry roasted nuts, and lean proteins and vegetables.

What really makes South Beach special, however, are its clever recipes. Dr. Arthur Agatston (the author) involved chefs from the restaurants in the South Beach area of Miami to help create healthy yet delicious recipes. We've tried many of them and, while they are different from traditional fare, are delicious and satisfying for the most part.

Criticisms? None, really. But, when my patients choose South Beach (which I often encourage), I often have to impress on them that the Track Your Plaque program is not about weight loss. It is about seizing control of a potentially life-threatening disease. It is a far more important goal with greater implications. Weight loss is just one aspect of a coronary plaque control effort. For this reason, we sometimes have to make changes in the South Beach program to allow for correction of specific lipoprotein patterns.

The most common modification is in people with small LDL particles. This pattern often does indeed respond to weight loss and/or niacin. However, it occasionally persists despite these efforts. We then will ask the patient to continue to restrict the re-introduction of wheat products, though it is allowed after Phase I in South Beach. In other words, for this specific and sometimes difficult to control lipoprotein pattern, a spedific modification of the off-the-shelf South Beach program is sometimes necessary. Of course, the diet is created to suit everybody. Lipoprotein analysis permits detailed insight into your patterns and it's only to be expected that specific modifications might be needed.

But, as written, you can do quite well in your plaque control program by sticking to South Beach.

Be patient with niacin

Mel's HDL started at 37 mg/dl one year ago. Mel had several other abnormal lipoprotein patterns along with his HDL (inc. small LDL and Lp(a)), but HDL was clearly a crucial factor in his panel.

With a heart scan score of 1166, we needed to raise Mel's HDL to the Track Your Plaque target of 60 mg/dl. So Mel started niacin, our number one method to raise HDL, in addition to reducing his exposure to wheat products and other high glycemic index foods; increasing his physical activity; trying to reduce his excess tummy fat; fish oil; dark chocolate (2 oz per day) and red wine (1-2 glasses per day, preferably dark French reds). The form of niacin we often choose is SloNiacin (Upsher Smith), available over-the-counter for about $12-14 per 100 tablets.

Mel started out with niacin 500 mg per day at dinner, increased to 1000 mg at dinner after four weeks. Although this is usually too soon to reassess HDL, Mel insisted. His HDL 41 mg/dl. Mel's disappointment was palpable. He was the usual type A personality: he wanted his HDL higher--now! So Mel insisted that we increase niacin to 1500 mg per day. (We never go higher than this if low HDL or small LDL is the indication for niacin; only when Lp(a) is present do we go higher.)

Six months into this process, HDL: 45 mg/dl. Still a sluggish response.

One year later, HDL: 68 mg/dl. Finally!

That is typical for niacin, as well as combination of lifestyle changes Mel made. None of them result in an immediate rise in HDL; all take months to 1-2 years to exert full HDL-raising effect.

Think of HDL as the 82-year old grandma who takes a long time to cross the street-she does get there!

Note: Doses of niacin >500 mg per day should be taken with medical supervision.

Can vitamin D be a SOLE risk factor?

Here's a crazy question. It occurred to me as I was talking to Drew, a slender, active 54-year old dentist with no bad habits including no smoking.

Drew's heart scan score was 222. His lipoprotein analysis mostly revealed a lot of nothing, which is unusual. The only pattern that showed up was a modestly high LDL of 122 mg/dl with a very slight excess of small LDL. That's it. I would not be satisfied that these were sufficient cause for Drew's level of coronary plaque.

Drew's 25-OH-vitamin D3 level: 15 ng/ml--severe deficiency--despite the fact that his doctor had suggested that he take a vitamin D2 preparation. In other words, Drew had been profoundly deficient, probably for years.

Given the unimpressive cholesterol and lipoprotein values, could vitamin D serve as a trigger for coronary plaque all by itself?

I don't have an answer and know of nobody else who does. However, my opinion is that vitamin D is indeed a potent risk that can cause heart disease as a sole risk factor.

Perhaps it's another piece of circumstantial evidence suggesting that vitamin D has an enormous influence on health, including coronary plaque. Interestingly, the only other health problem Drew has had is prostate cancer, treated a few years ago with prostate removal and radiation. Good evidence suggests that vitamin D deficiency escalates risk of prostate cancer substantially.

By the way, I've seen people taking vitamin D2 preparations, called "ergocalciferol," who are every bit as deficient as those who take no vitamin D at all. Avoid D2 or ergocalciferol preparations: they're worthless.

Does fish oil raise LDL cholesterol?

Katie had an LDL (conventionally calculated) of 87 mg/dl, HDL of 48 mg/dl.

She added fish oil, 6000 mg per day. Three months later her LDL was 118 mg/dl, HDL 54 mg/dl. In other words, LDL increased by 31 mg. What gives?

Several studies have, indeed, shown that fish oil raises LDL cholesterol, usually by 5-10 mg/dl. Occasionally, it may be as much as 20-30.

Unfortunately, many physicians often assume that it's the (minor) cholesterol content of fish oil capsules, or some vague, undesirable effect of fish oil. It's nothing of the kind.

Since we based Katie's program on (NMR) lipoprotein analysis, not conventional lipids (HDL, calculated LDL, triglycerides, total cholesterol), I knew that Katie also had a severe excess of intermediate-density lipoprotein, or IDL, and very-low density lipoproteins, VLDL. This signifies that after a meal, dietary fats persist for 12, 24,or more hours. Fish oil is a very effective method to clear IDL and VLDL, though sometimes it also causes a shift of some IDL and VLDL into the LDL class. Thus, the apparent increase in LDL.

Another contributor: Conventional LDL is a calculated value, not measured. The calculation for LDL is thrown off by any reduction in HDL or rise in triglycerides. In Katie's case, the rise in HDL from 48 to 54 means that calculated LDL is becoming more accurate and rising towards the true measured value. At the start, Katie's true measured LDL was 122 mg/dl, 35 mg higher than the calculated value. Calculated LDL is therefore approximating measured LDL more accurately as HDL rises.

The most important lesson to learn is that, if LDL rises significantly on fish oil and you haven't had lipoproteins formally measured, there may have been a substantial postprandial abnormality like IDL that was unrecognized.

Heart disease is everywhere

If you ever need convincing that heart disease is everywhere, you should do what I do: subscribe to Google Alerts and have them forward news anytime the search phrase "heart attack" crosses the web. (Just go to Google, click on "more" to the right of the search bar, and follow the links.)


Some recent samples:


Workmates resuscitate driver after heart attack

A woman coal mine truck driver had a heart attack and required resuscitation with a defibrillator 3 times on the way to the hospital.





Heart attack kills groom at reception
A 34-year old man died during his wedding reception, leaving behind his 26-year old new wife.






Heart attack ruled as cause of crash

An Alabama man drove his pick-up truck into oncoming traffic while suffering a heart attack.






Heart-attack victim to return to Hamburg stage


Country music artist, Michael Harding, suffered a heart attack and cardiac arrest during a performance. He is apparently recovered and returning to the stage.



That's just a sample from the last two days. While you and I are carry on a conversation on reversal of heart disease, our neighbors and friends drop over every day. Even though I witness successful heart disease reversal routinely, the rest of the world is not participating.

Pass it on: Coronary disease is identifiable, preventable, controllable, and reversible.
Construct your glucose curve

Construct your glucose curve

In a previous Heart Scan Blog post, I discussed how to make use of postprandial (after-meal) blood sugars to reduce triglycerides, reduce small LDL, increase HDL, reduce blood pressure and inflammatory measures, and accelerate weight loss.

In that post, I suggested checking blood glucose one hour after finishing a meal. However, this is a bit of an oversimplification. Let me explain.

A number of factors influence the magnitude of blood glucose rise after a meal:

--Quantity of carbohydrates
--Digestibility of carbohydrates--The amylopectin A of wheat, for example, is among the most digestible of all, increasing blood sugar higher and faster.
--Fat and protein, both of which blunt the glucose rise (though only modestly).
--Inclusion of foods that slow gastric emptying, such as vinegar and fibers.
--Body weight, age, recent exercise

Just to name a few. Even if 10 people are fed identical meals, each person will have a somewhat different blood glucose pattern.

So it can be helpful to not just assume that 60 minutes will be your peak, but to establish your individual peak. It will vary from meal-to-meal, day-to-day, but you can get a pretty good sense of blood glucose behavior by constructing your own postprandial glucose curve.

Say I have a breakfast of oatmeal: slow-cooked, stoneground oatmeal with skim milk, a few walnuts, blueberries. Blood glucose prior: 95 mg/dl. Blood glucose one-hour postprandial: 160 mg/dl.

Rather than taking a one-hour blood glucose, let's instead take it every 15 minutes after you finish eating your oatmeal:


In this instance, the glucose peak occurred at 90-minutes after eating. 90-minute postprandial checks may therefore better reflect postprandial glucose peaks for this theoretical individual.

I previously picked 60-minutes postprandial to approximate the peak. You have the option of going a step better by, at least one time, performing your own every-15-minute glucose check to establish your own curve.

Comments (24) -

  • Eric

    2/19/2011 5:03:57 AM |

    Have you ever used a DexCom 7, like Tim Ferriss did for the 4 Hour Body book?

  • Kurt

    2/19/2011 12:55:16 PM |

    There is evidence that alcohol decreases the blood glucose rise, which may explain in part why moderate drinkers have lower risk of heart attacks. Have you found this to be true?

  • Anonymous

    2/19/2011 3:01:47 PM |

    With all respects, Doctor Davis, but I am at a loss to understand your reasoning behind the suggestion of constructing a 2-hour curve with readings taken every 15 minutes. Invariably after eating, blood glucose level will rise and then fall over the two-hour period. I can control the severity of the "spike" by the type of food I consume. After eating however, I cannot control the shape of the curve without the intervention of medication or physical exercise. This is known. So what additional practical information is provided me from this exercise?
    My regards, StanO

  • Anonymous

    2/19/2011 3:09:36 PM |

    Hi! These are my readings using a 1-low carb meal-day approach during months.

    day   hour mg/dL
    02/15 11:17 74
    02/15 12:57 83
    02/15 13:53 79
    exercise lifting weights
    02/15 15:11 93
    end of exercise
    02/15 15:46 75
    02/15 16:22 86
    02/15 16:49 83
    meal time

    As you can see these are my pre-meal levels in a low carb diet, one meal a day approach eating nuts, yogurt, liver, meat, fish, especial atkins bread, butter, chicken, eggs etc..

    Next day I change my normal low carb meal for a high carb meal (pasta with a bit of meat) with my morning sugar in these same levels. Lets the party begin.

    02/16 13:20 finish pasta festival
    02/16 13:29 114
    02/16 13:42 103
    02/16 13:57 125
    02/16 14:06 127
    02/16 14:12 137
    02/16 14:23 119
    02/16 14:36 126
    02/16 14:48 130
    02/16 15:03 123
    02/16 15:15 106
    02/16 15:30 112
    02/16 15:46 111
    02/16 16:11 107
    02/16 16:22 105
    02/16 16:47 114
    02/16 17:21 121
    02/16 17:32 120
    02/16 18:07 113
    02/16 18:21 125
    02/16 18:50 110
    02/16 19:42 114
    02/16 20:21 130
    02/16 21:29 112
    02/16 23:37 119
    time to bed. I also feel like shit.

    Next day, do you think the party is over?

    02/17 07:20 121 (no)
    02/17 12:15  71 (finally, nearly 24 hours of high sugar levels!)
    02/17 13:00  84
    02/17 14:50  81
    02/17 15:57  71
    02/17 16:30  end meal (with a bit of wheat bread)
    02/17 16:48  99
    02/17 17:08 111
    02/17 17:27  94
    02/17 17:47  82
    02/17 18:18  87
    02/17 18:42  73
    02/17 20:09  78
    exercise (please, do not ask what type of exercise and how I can manage to check my sugar in that situationSmile
    02/17 21:31  98
    02/17 22:01  97
    end of exercise
    02/17 23:15  88
    02/17 00:38  83

    Next day

    02/18 09:18 79
    02/18 10:36 81
    02/18 11:38 85
    exercise (ski, more aerobic so my sugar levels do not increase to much. Cannot use the sticks due to low temp)
    02/18 18:00 80
    low carb meal using  whole grain special atkins bread
    02/18 18:31 85
    02/18 18:47 98
    02/18 19:08 90
    02/18 19:30 88
    02/18 19:45 93
    02/18 20:20 87
    02/18 20:40 80
    exercise
    02/18 21:12 92
    02/18 21:58 94
    02/18 22:26 91
    end of exercise
    02/18 23:39 88
    02/18 01:17 88
    exercise
    02/18 02:20 93
    end of exercise

    Next day similar to my first set of data.

  • Geoffrey Levens

    2/19/2011 5:01:08 PM |

    "I am at a loss to understand your reasoning behind the suggestion of constructing a 2-hour curve"

    Varies so much per person and meal composition.  Some people will get peak even longer than two hours w/ something like pizza that has lot of heavy grease as well as the carbs.  Or if they have any gastroparesis  issues

  • Dr. William Davis

    2/19/2011 7:05:00 PM |

    Hi, Eric--

    Sorry, but I don't know what DexCom 7 is. Can you tell me anything about it?


    Hi, Kurt--

    The effects of alcohol and alcoholic beverages are complex. The blood sugar effect is only a small part of the equation. Among the most consistent effects are reduced blood sugar with red wine, increased blood sugar with beer.

  • Dr. William Davis

    2/19/2011 7:07:12 PM |

    Hi, Anonymous--

    Impressive effort!

    Incredibly, just about any primary care doc would declare your values "normal," since you don't "need" medication.

    You've found the secret: Carbohydrates screw up health galore.

  • STG

    2/19/2011 10:54:14 PM |

    I almost had a wheat relapse today, but what I realized is that I wanted the butter. So, I ate a small bite of organic butter.

  • revelo

    2/20/2011 1:01:30 AM |

    Carbohydrates don't screw up health in most people, but they have to be managed properly. Anonymous's glucose spike occurred because he/she surprised the body with a heavier carb load than it was adapted to. It takes a week or so for the body to upregulate insulin sensitivity and glycogen storage ability. Until that upregulation occurs, high carb intake will indeed cause glucose spikes.

    Here's my own anecdote. After switching to a paleo diet for a week, I then switched back to high-carb. Upon eating 200g (dry) of cooked oats, my glucose shot up to 195 mg/dL. A week later, I was able to eat the same 200g (dry) of cooked oats and glucose remained below 120 mg/dL. What happened is that my ability to process glucose downregulated when I switched to paleo, then upregulated after I switched back to high-carb. Both the down and upregulation take a few days. It is probably inadvisable to constantly switch between paleo and high-carb. If you plan to eat high-carb, then do so consistently, so that the body is always prepared for high glucose loads.

    My recent VAP blood tests, taken after resuming my usual high-carb regimen, show HDL=66 mg/dL, LDL=61, VLDL=12, Trig=45, Lp(a)=15, HDL-2=23 (most protective HDL greater than Lp(a), thus counteracting the latter), and type A LDL pattern (mostly large buoyant LDL). CRP was .16mg/L, which is very low. Laboratory measurement of fasting glucose was 85 mg/dL, versus 84 for Reli-On Confirm home glucose testing device measured that same morning (the Reli-On device thus appears to be accurate). These results hardly suggest that a high-carb diet necessarily screws up health.

    There is also plenty of other evidence that carbs are not unhealthy for people who are lean, get daily exercise, don't have an underlying illness, and eat mostly unrefined carbs. All sorts of primitive peoples (Kitavans, Tarahumara indians, Bantus,  traditional mediterranean people's, etc) eat high-carb diets and have very low incidence of diabetes, heart disease and other chronic illnesses due to diet (they may have chronic illnesses due to parasites).

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    2/20/2011 1:17:59 AM |

    Depression a variable: Japan 2010 journal "Anti- Aging" showed affect on blood glucose in 5 hour glucose(75 grams) tolerance test on a clinic's depressed in-patient (woman age 36). The articles authors conclude a "very low saccharide diet" is better for the brain, which runs fine on ketones.

    Fasting blood sugar = 74
    30 min post glucose = 97
    1  hour  "    "     = 78
       (coincides with insulin peak)
    2 hour post glucose = 54
       (27% below fasting blood    
        sugar)
    3 hour post glucose = 99
       (insulin less than 1/2 of
        30 min. insulin & 1/3 of
         2 hour insulin)
    4 hour post glucose = 75
    5 hour "     "       = 80

  • Anonymous

    2/20/2011 2:04:08 AM |

    I have a big question here.
    I persoanlly have my peak at 30 minutes. So my question is:
    Is it a BG of 140-160 after 30 minutes if after 60 minutes it is under 100 too bad?

  • revelo

    2/20/2011 2:49:20 AM |

    @Might-o'chondri-AL: Can't understand the logic of low-carb for depressed people. High-carb boosts serotonin. The only reason I could think of prescribing low-carb for a depressed person is because they are overweight, and the excess weight is partly responsible for the depression (inability to move about and exercise due to morbid obesity, for example).

  • Anonymous

    2/20/2011 6:27:17 AM |

    revelo, thanks for some sanity.  Reading these blog posts and most of the comments that follow is depressing.  They would have everyone believe that their inability to handle carbs is representative of normal, healthy, individuals.

    Maybe they need to get healthy, and then they can actually eat whole-food sources of carbs and stop being so scared and go and live life.

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    2/20/2011 8:30:25 AM |

    Hi Revelo,
    I've got nothing against carbs & am still learning (I eat carbs); your blood profile seems excellent enough to trade for.My thinking on your approach is: that you may find, like me in my 20/30/40s + years, care free
    carbohydrates are fine and by
    the time hit 60 there's the unforseen to adjust to. The famous quote is: "Old age ain't for sissys."
      
    So, back to Japan ....
    Psychiatric clinic tested 2,000;
    detailed one to show how variable blood sugar/insulin expression is in depression. They claim to have got her off meds and adressed low neuro-transmitters of depression; which clinically they say (depression) is common in metabolic syndrome.

    Their flow chart for seratonin is dietary amino acid L-tryptophan as substrate with folic acid, iron, niacin and enzyme tryptophan hydroxylase; yields, 5-HTP with vitamin B6 and enzyme 5-HTP decarboxylase; yields seratonin (which in it's own right is the substrate for
    magnesium and SAMe to make into melatonin). I'll skip their GABA and dopamine flow charts.

    This was a geriatric symposium paper, so focus was on brain down the line. Their pitch was for preventing cognitive decline;
    and that ketones protect the brain from Alzheimers and Parkinsons - just as ketones diets do help in
    epilesy and other mental disorders.

    They specify that in the brain beta-hydroxy-butyrate (ketone) ups utilization of circulating oxygen more, decreases CO2 in tissues from glucose "burning", and ketones make ATP more efficiently too. As for the mitochondria, they continue to get their essential glucose molecules from gluco-neogenesis.

    My impression is they're showing that in geriatrics the potential
    accumulation of what Doc's blog
    warned about, namely  A.G.E.s
    (advanced glycation endproducts)is a risk factor for Alzheimers, etc. The authors conclusion was the central nervous system used ketones just fine;and carbohydrates were not required for old people to have good levels of circulating blood sugar.





    sowed data for 1 depressed lady

  • Anonymous

    2/20/2011 11:43:35 AM |

    Dr Davis: Two comments were made asking for your reasoning behind the suggestion for construction of a 2 hr curve. To me the comments are politely made. They are appropriate in my opinion and they deserve a response. It is obvious that you chose deliberately to ignore them.

    Your commentary is followed and I expect influences countless readers; some possibly obsessively, ie healthy individual who performed more the 75 glucose checks over a few days time.

    With your efforts to maintain this blog come added responsibilities to its readers which you currently are ignoring.

    Shame on you.

  • STG

    2/20/2011 3:47:40 PM |

    Anonymous: Your response to this blog is somewhat emotional and critical. Perhaps you could be open to the idea that some people can consume a high, unrefined carbo diet and be healthy; others will suffer adverse effects on a high carbo diet and need a more protein based or mixed diet. For those individuals that are carbo sensitive, there is good dietary advise on the blog. I do not currently test my blood sugar. I do not want to become myopic about health; however,I don't judge others on this blog who want to pursue this strategy even if they are not insulin resistant, diabetic or pre-diabetic. Moreover, I may have to resort to using a monitor in the future. The blood sugar data from another "anonymous" is very interesting and certainly provides real data for determining his or her dietary choices. Please keep an open mind and avoid insulting comments like "shame on you" which add nothing to the dicussion and are meant to insult not to educate or enlighten others.

  • Geoffrey Levens

    2/20/2011 4:38:32 PM |

    DexCom 7 is a "continuous" bg monitor for home use. http://www.dexcom.com/products

    I have been eating Dr Fuhrman's diet and lately, typical meal contains 3-4 cups chopped leafy greens, 2/3 cups cooked beans, about 2/3 oz raw seeds/nuts, 200 grams starchy root veg, one piece of fruit (most often an apple).  Peak postprandial sugars for me come very close to one hour after end of meal and are in low 120's to high hundred teens, back to fasting by 90-120 minutes Usually 90 minutes).

  • joseph

    2/20/2011 4:54:29 PM |

    why do you think that post meal levels of 120 or 140 are "normal"? Simply because are the levels that people get when eat a lot of carbs in a meal.

    You body do not like this levels, that is why it try to put them down using insulin. Why is your body doing that if they are "normal levels"?

    If you check my levels in the 4 reply you could find that when you do not eat for longs periods of time your body try keep your sugar between 70 and 90. If you are relaxed the level could be in the 70 zone and if you do some exercise it will go to 90 zone. Why your body do no increase it to "normal levels" of 120-140? Probably because this levels are not "normal".

    So you have a high carb meal. Your body react to it trying to keep your sugar down, why?. Yes... your body is stupid and doesn't have a degree in nutrition so cannot understand the science behind this "normal levels".

    When you body finally got the 85 level your dietitian says that you need to have another high carb meal. So your levels return to 120-140, and you ignorant body starts to reduce this "normal level" to 70-85. When you got that level is time to have another high carb meal, and your ignorant body returns to do the same trick.

    Years of doing that and your body cannot maintain the true normal levels your doctor says that you need to do some exercise to well... reduce sugar levels! and of course still doing 5-6 small high carb meals a day.

    So now you need to run the New York City Marathon to get rid of all that carbs in all that meals your are eating during the day.

    Of course you need increase the carbs in these meals to have energy to do all that exercises. In one of those healthy marathons you also take a high carb drink to... well... you know.

    It doesn't work, you end eating more than before because your body needs more energy to run all that healthy marathons and you are all the day hungry.

    Later your unscientific and stupid  pancreas collapse and your doctor says that you need to maintain your 34646464 high carbs meals a day, but take some insulin to help your body to reduce all the sugars YOU ARE EATING EVERY 3 HOURS.

    Probably our pancreas simply commit suicide because is not able to understand our rock solid science.

  • Anonymous

    2/20/2011 5:15:30 PM |

    Can someone explain to a non-scientist what "up-regulate" and "down-regulate" mean?  Peter

  • Anonymous

    2/21/2011 1:38:04 AM |

    A couple of people have asked why construct your own glucose curve so I thought I'd throw out my thoughts on it.  Every person's glucose will peak at different points either due to slower stomach emptying or a slower absorbed carb or whatever. I have read that many people will peak at 75 minutes.  So if you are trying to get a real idea as to how your body reacts to glucose/insulin then you need to test frequently to find YOUR personal peak.  Then you will know when to test when you try new foods.  Is that others understanding too?
    Char

  • Anonymous

    2/21/2011 3:21:29 AM |

    This blog post is so full of Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.  People asking questions due to being scared by Dr. Davis' suggestion of "constructing your glucose curve", so they ask him questions in the comments, like what their "glucose curve" should look like.  People thinking now they better be jabbing themselves 15 times after a meal.  Thinking about a meal for hours after a meal.  Guilt for eating that meal.

    So Dr. Davis' response?  IGNORE THEM and put up a new blog post with MORE scare-mongering:


    Now you should fear the banana!
    http://www.heartscanblog.org/2011/02/american-heart-association-diet-makes.html

    "Would you like a banana?"


    What a joke.  Show us a single person who got fat off of bananas OR potatoes, or any whole food carbs.

  • Might-o'chondri-AL

    2/21/2011 5:10:31 AM |

    Hi Peter,
    Up-regulate is an action on a gene that makes it do more of what it's capable of doing. And down-regulate is when a gene is being acted on in a way that it will do less of what it's capable of doing.

    A gene can be overactive or underactive. Depending on the dynamic, of how a specific gene ideally should be doing, regulation up or down is desired.

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  • Dr George

    3/29/2011 7:35:53 AM |

    Hey there Dr Davis,

    Created my own glucose curve as part of my own research and actually got a bit of a scare!

    I was doing a high carb meal to try and demonstrate an early carb spike then drop.

    While I didn't get the response I was looking for I got something a bit scarier. A fasting glucose indicitive of pre-diabetes reading instead. I am amazed how one bad meal was able to send my sugar awol over night.

    Back onto low carbs for me.

    Thanks for helping open my eyes to my potential diabetes.

    Dr George

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