Report from Washington II

Today's discussions at the Society for Cardiovascular Computed Tomography (SCCT) focused on atherosclerotic "plaque characterization".

As CT scanners get better and better at imaging the various components of plaque, some fascinating issues emerge:

--CT heart scans provide insights into what exactly is contained in an individual's atherosclerotic plaque that are not often provided even during heart catheterization. In other words, CT heart scanning is, in many instances, superior to heart catheterization, since it provides images of the artery wall, not just the internal contents.

--Progression (i.e., increase) in heart scan score is a powerful predicter of heart attack risk. Dr. Matthew Budoff of UCLA argued persuasively that the annual rate of increase in score is probably the most accurate measure of risk available, superior to cholesterol and calculated measures like the Framingham risk score.

--Coronary calcium scoring remains the best method to gauge total plaque throughout the entire coronary tree. In a person free of symptoms, the risk of a cardiac "event" (heart attack, death, procedures) is low and additional imaging (like CT angiography) is generally unnecessary.


Dr. Budoff, among the true thought leaders in CT heart scanning, also recounted his perspective on the history of heart scans. He noted that the questions asked through the years have evolved:




1995-2000 Should we do coronary calcium scans?

2000-2002 Do high or low risk patients benefit from coronary calcium scoring?

2003-2004 What is the better scanner, EBT or MDCT?

2006 How often should we perform coronary calcium imaging?


I believe that Dr. Budoff summarizes wonderfully where the Track Your Plaque programs fits into the overall scheme of things: Serial (repeated)CT heart scans to gauge progression or reversal is the wave of the future. We shouldn't just be interested in identifying persons at risk for heart attack. We should also be interested in showing the person at risk exactly how to reduce or eliminate that risk.

Report from Washington





I'm presently attending the Society for Cardiovascular Computed Tomography meetings in Washington, DC, along with 500 of my colleagues. It's exciting to see how interest in CT scanning for heart disease has balloonned in the past couple of years.

Several trends are noticeable today, based on the content and tone of the discussions:

--CT scanning of the heart, and imaging in general, is just getting started. In other words, the capabilities for CT scanners and other devices to detect heart disease (coronary and otherwise) are where the gasoline engine was in the 19th century. Scanning is getting faster, easier, safer, and more precise. Just as few people in 1905 could have predicted that automobiles would be computer-enhanced, high-speed, ubiquitous devices with several per household, the potential for CT imaging for heart disease is truly in its infancy.

--CT coronary angiography (so-called "64-slice CT scans") are not screening tests for hidden coronary disease in people without symptoms. I was grateful that this point has been made and reiterated by several speakers, as this is consistent with our views. Simple CT heart scans for coronary calcium scoring, in contrast, are screening tests. When the radiation exposure of CT angiograms are reduced to tolerable levels, then they may be used as screening tests. We are probably 3-4 years away from this point.

--Both stress testing and heart catheterizations will be partially replaced by CT scanning. In particular, over the next decade, you will see a dramatic drop in unnecessary catheterizations, i.e,, far less people saying "I had a heart cath but they told me that it was normal."


There has been heavy focus on applications of CT scanning for acute settings, particularly the emergency room and hospitals.

What has surprised me is that there is virtually no conversation whatsoever about the preventive uses of CT heart scanning. So far, only Dr. Daniel Berman of UCLA has shown that he has "seen the light": CT scans are a crucial tool for identification of early coronary plaque, and this tells us whether prevention is necessary and with what intensity.

There has been, however, no discussion at all about quantification of plaque in a program of reversal. Perhaps that should come as no surprise, given the imaging-technology focus of this convention. For most of my colleagues, prevention is also not terribly interesting. Identification and treatment of acute disease like impending heart attack is.

Of course, applying the information from your CT heart scan to empower you in a program and reversal is what the Track Your Plaque program is all about. I hope you see the light. I admit that it's not always easy to follow what we are advocating here. Perhaps not too different than telling someone in his horse-drawn buggy that one day he'll be driving a sleek car with onboard computerized mapping, air-conditioning, and micro-chips to modulate engine performance. He's probably tell us we're nuts.

I'll continue to update if any news relevant to our interests crops up in these meetings.

What about the Track Your Plaque failures?

I’d love to tell you that the Track Your Plaque program track record is of 100% success. It’s not.

It is very successful. But we’ve had some people who have failed and failed BIG. These are the people who've undergone bypass surgery, received one or more stents, or had heart attacks. Lesser failures are the people who’ve had large, undesirable increases in heart scan scores of >30% in one year. (The expected rate of increase in your heart scan score without preventive efforts is 30% per year, on average.)

What can we learn from those failures? There were several characteristics that stand out among this small group:

· Non-compliance--meaning they just didn’t stick with it. They started out right but then rapidly lost interest in maintaining all the pieces of the program and neglected their fish oil, niacin, gain weight, etc. Matthew did this and ended up with three stents to his left anterior descending. His slow start was due to skepticism that the program worked and just plain forgetfulness.

· Extreme stress--One of our earliest failures was a 38-year old man whose heart scan score doubled in one year, despite doing everything right. But three family members, all close to him, died within the space of six months, including his mother and a brother. I regard this as one of those instances in which we were powerless, unfortunately, though it is a graphic example of the power of unresolved stress and grief.

· Having a “better way”--These are the couple of people who were convinced that they had a better way to control their heart scan score. David firmly believed that his two dozen supplements and exercise program would drop his score. Instead, they permitted a 42% increase. Lee relied exclusively on chelation, along with several supplements of his own design. Lee had three-vessel bypass surgery.

· Starting too late--Gerome started with a score of 1179, but also was having chest pressure with emotional stress. His stress test was abnormal, with the entire upper half of his heart not receiving blood with exercise on a stress nuclear study (“anterior ischemia”). Gerome received four bypass grafts. Unfortunately, Gerome never really had a chance to engage in the Track Your Plaque program, since his health and safety were in jeopardy as soon as he started.

Have we had any big failures of people who did everything right, were compliant, were not subject to extreme stress (more than just job stress, or financial worries), didn’t neglect the basic requirements of the Track Your Plaque program, and had sufficient time (at least 6 months to 1 year)? No, thankfully, we have not.

No one who has stuck to the program has had a big failure.

Be smarter than your cardiologist

“Do you need a stent?”

Sad to say, but that sentence condenses the wisdom of over 90% of practicing cardiologists.

Prevention of heart disease means take Lipitor or some other statin and cutting the saturated fat in your diet. That’s it. Maybe throw in exercise.

Regression of coronary plaque? That phrase has only entered the conversation since the AstraZeneca-supported trial of Crestor succeeded in achieving 8% regression of plaque (Track Your Plaque Members: See News) as demonstrated by intracoronary ultrasound.



In other words, in the minds of my colleagues, it can’t be true until a drug company tells them it’s true. It’s beyond me why this brainwashing of otherwise intelligent people has occurred, but it is blatantly evident in practice.

Fish oil is another example. The spectacular benefits of fish oil have been known for 20 years. But only recently has it become a “mainstream” practice to recommend fish oil, largely because a drug manufacturer has put a preparation through the rigors of FDA approval (Omacor) and is now marketing directly to physicians. All of a sudden, fish oil is a good thing? No, it’s just achieved legitimacy in the eyes of practitioners because it graces marketing literature.

If you’re reading this, you’re likely interested in coronary plaque regression using the only tool available for you to measure, track, and regress coronary plaque: CT heart scans. Intracoronary ultrasound will achieve the same goal, but it is an invasive procedure performed at heart catheterization, involves threading a wire and imaging probe all the way down the artery, involves real risk of tearing the inner lining of the artery, and is costly (around $14,000-$20,000 for the entire package). Do it every year? That’d be nuts.

If you’re thinking about coronary plaque regression, using fish oil, concerned about patterns like low HDL and small LDL, aware of the vitamin D deficiency issue as a coronary risk factor, etc., you are far more aware than the vast majority of practicing cardiologists. They are interested in what new brand of anti-coagulant to use during their heart catheterization (because the product representative gushes about the new agent—only $1200 a dose!). Or, they are interested in gaining the procedural skills to put in a new device like a biventricular pacemaker. Regress/reverse coronary plaque? What for?

You already know that a conversation about coronary plaque reversal will not be obtained in your cardiologist’s office. Your family practice doctor or internist? Fat chance! Knee arthritis, pap smears, pneumovax inoculations, sore throats, gout, back pain—they’re spread far too thin to know anything more than the most superficial amount about coronary plaque control. Most know nothing.

That’s where we come in. That’s our mission: Educate people about the extraordinary tools that you have available to you, all in the cause of control or reversal of coronary plaque.

Why am I here?

Frank came to the office for an opinion, sent by his (proactive) family physician.

"I really don't know why I'm here, to be honest."

Two years earlier, Frank had a heart attack, survived and received two stents to his circumflex coronary artery. He now took Zocor and his LDL cholesterol was a reasonably favorable 89 mg, total cholesterol 183 mg.

"I walk with my wife every other day. I've been avoiding fish fries. You'll never see me eat fast food."

Frank was correct: If we were going to engage in the conventional approach to coronary disease, Frank was on the right track. We would have postponed his next heart attack or procedure by a couple of years. Stroke, aneurysm, and other atherosclerotic manifestations would be set back, likewise, a few years.

Would Frank have profound control over his disease? Absolutely not. In fact, his disease had probably advanced a huge amount just in the two years since his stents were placed and he was on his "prevention" program. Without his current effort, his coronary plaque would be expected to grow 30% per year. On Zocor and his modest lifestyle efforts, plaque growth was probably in the 14-28% per year range.

So I explained the unique Track Your Plaque approach to Frank. First, we start with a CT heart scan to establish where he was starting. Although he had two stents in his circumflex artery, we still had two other arteries (LAD, right coronary) to score and track.

We then attempt to identify all hidden causes of his heart disease and then correct them.

Of course, Frank had multiple hidden causes:

--HDL too low at 38 mg/dl
--Small LDL-severe, in fact, with 95% of all LDL particles in the small category
--Triglycerides too high
--Excesses of several triglyceride-containing particles (VLDL, IDL)
--Pre-diabetes--Frank had both a borderline high blood sugar and a high insulin level. This is a sure-fire stimulus to coronary plaque growth.
--A severe deficiency of vitamin D (<20 ng/ml)
--An excessivelyhigh blood pressure during exercise--With a blood pressure of 190/102 on the treadmill.

There were others(!), but that was the bulk of the causes behind Frank's coronary disease.

Once Frank recognized that there was indeed a huge panel of hidden causes for heart disease, not just too much fat in his diet and LDL cholesterol, he jumped into the program head first.

The message: The conventional approach is absurdly oversimplified, a certain path to failure for the majority of people. Even if you don't have known coronary disease like Frank, but just have a heart scan score >zero, the same principles apply to you.

Catheterization to “define coronary anatomy”

Gary is an avid jogger. On an average day, he runs 5-6 miles at a good clip. On two occasions recently, however, Gary experienced an ache in his left shoulder at mile 4. It was a toothache-like feeling, but he kept on going without difficulty.

Gary also had a heart scan score of 370.

Upon hearing of Gary’s score and his shoulder sensation, the cardiologist who saw him advised a heart catheterization “to define coronary anatomy”. (This is a real incident.)


What exactly does that mean? Why would Gary’s cardiologist need to define it?

In my view, this is an absurd notion. No one needs to “define coronary anatomy”. This catch-all phrase is commonly used to justify heart procedures. I believe what the cardiologist is saying is that it’s the easiest (for the cardiologist) and perhaps most generously reimbursed method to determine whether Gary’s symptoms are warning of an impending heart attack or not.

The problem is that the question can also be answered quite well by doing a stress test. Though not perfect diagnostic tests, stress tests are useful when symptoms are present that are doubtful in nature. Gary’s left shoulder ache could have been related to his heart, but the likelihood was that it was not. A stress test would have answered the diagnostic question quite adequately.

Instead, this man was subjected to an invasive test that was likely unnecessary. This happens dozens, if not hundreds, of times per day just around here. Nationwide, it is an epidemic of malpractice.

There are, indeed, times when a person should proceed directly to a heart catheterization. This is commonly and appropriately performed when a person develops unstable heart symptoms, such as chest discomfort or breathlessness at rest while not doing anything physical, or if the frequency is increasing, or if a stress test shows an important abnormality. There is no question that heart procedures can be lifesaving at times.

The problem is that thousands of people every year are scared into these procedures inappropriately. Beware!

It doesn't matter what I eat!

"How are your food choices?" I asked.

"What does it matter, doc? I take Lipitor. Doesn't that take care of it? I eat what I want!"

So declared Matthew. What he "wanted" was pretty much the diet of a teenager: pizza, cheeseburgers, soft drinks, snacks. His "beer belly" (visceral fat) gave it away. So did his blood work that showed flagrant lipoprotein abnormalities--small LDL, an HDL of 37 mg, and a severe after-eating flood of fat represented by increased "intermediate-density lipoprotein" (IDL).

Like many people, Matthew had been persuaded (or chose to believe) that LDL cholesterol was the sole cause for heart disease. Lipitor was therefore was all he needed. It must be great--how else could they afford all those slick TV commercials?

Well, it is definitely not true. In fact, with the persistence of Matthew's abnormal lipoprotein patterns, we should expect his heart scan score to continue to grow by 30%--the very same rate of increase as if he were taking nothing.

Specifically, Lipitor and drugs like it do not:

--Raise HDL.

--Correct or reduce the proportion of small LDL.

--Block after-eating flood of fat, nor do they accelerate clearance of unhealthy fats persisting in the bloodstream after eating.


Yes, what you eat does have real consequences, even if you take a statin drugs. In fact, the foods you ingest have a remarkably rapid and dramatic effect on what your blood contains. Any diabetic who checks his/her blood sugar knows this. They eat a slice of whole wheat toast and watch their blood sugar skyrocket.

Mind what you eat. Make it enjoyable, of course. But drugs do not provide impunity.

People with higher scores need to try harder

Sam is a 69-year retired physician. He was thoroughly enjoying retirement: golf, travelling, going out to dinner two or three times a week, spending weekends with his grandchildren. His lifestyle tended towards overindulgence, but he managed to stay fit and trim. At 6 ft 1 inch, he weighed 194 lbs and could still run 3 miles without too much difficulty. Not as good as his marathon-running days, but still not too bad for 69.

Sam's heart scan score in 2003 was a concerning 1983--extensive plaque. His doctor wasn't much help in interpreting the scan and so Sam simply chose to ignore it.

A chance conversation with a physician friend 18 months later made Sam think that perhaps this shouldn't be ignored. That's when he came to my office.




I find that sometimes the best way to motivate someone to take action is to demonstrate just how fast plaque grows if action isn't taken. So I advised Sam to get another scan first, since 18 months had passed. His score: 2441, or a 23% increase.




Sam was now starting to catch on. We made several changes in his prevention program (starting from virtually nothing). He did undergo a stress nuclear (thallium type) of test, which he passed without difficulty--normal blood flow in all heart territories despite the extensive plaque.

But, for some reason, Sam simply allowed himself to drift back to old habits: poor choices in food, overindulging in hard liquor, missing his fish oil and other supplements, and his medication, sometimes up to several days a week.

Sam started having unusual feelings in his chest. He described a sort of nervousness along with skipped heart beats. So we repeated a stress test. This time, a large area of reduced blood flow in the front of his heart ("anterior left ventricle") was detected. Sam ended up receiving three stents in a difficult procedure.

The moral: If you're starting out with a lower heart scan score of, say, 100 or 200, maybe you'll get by without trying too hard--maybe. But if your score is higher, say, several hundred or in the thousands, you got to try harder.

You're starting later in the process. Your disease will allow you very little slack. Let your guard down and it will get you. Control over your plaque is, indeed, very possible--we do it all the time. Score reduction is also possible. But your effort must be more serious and consistent.

Money can't buy health

Fallen Enron CEO, Kenneth Lay, was pronounced dead early this a.m. after suffering a heart attack.

Mr. Lay apparently had no history of heart disease and there's been no indication that symptoms provided any warning. His death was therefore classified as "sudden cardiac death".


Yet here's a man previously worth hundreds of millions of dollars with access to any test or medical system he desired--many times over. Even more recently, with his wealth reduced following his legal troubles, he and his wife managed to put away $4 million dollars to ensure an income from the interest through annuities, untouchable by the courts.

Detecting Mr. Lay's heart disease would have cost him around a few hundred dollars or whatever it costs for a CT heart scan in his city. This would have alerted his (hopefully knowledgeable) doctor that he was a time-bomb. Pile on all the stress he'd been suffering, whether deserved or no, and the diagnosis would have required little thought.

Instead, Mr. Lay has joined the thousands of Americans who will die this year because of failing to get a simple, 30-second test that costs one-tenth the cost of a stress test. Mr. Lay wasn't as lucky as former President Bill Clinton, whose doctors likewise blundered their way through and missed obvious levels of heart disease.

All Mr. Lay needed was better information: get a heart scan, then follow a program of prevention like the Track Your Plaque program. You may not have hundreds of millions of dollars, but you have the information on how to not follow in Ken Lay's footsteps. Track Your Plaque--and stay alive.

What's important, what's not in your plaque-control program

Sometimes it's hard to know what is really important in your plaque-control or plaque-reducing efforts.

There are, indeed, crucial make-it-or-break-it factors that are necessary to gain control over plaque. If you hope to stack the odds of reducing your heart scan score as much as possible in your favor, then fish oil, vitamin D, 60-60-60 in the way of standard lipids, elimination of small LDL, etc. -- all the elements of the Track Your Plaque program--are necessary.

But there's lots of things that sidetrack people. I spend much of my day fielding questions from patients about all the things that either provide very little benefit for plaque control, or provide none at all.

Among the things that we have found to be too weak or useless for plaque control, or are "non-issues", include:

--Caffeine--Go ahead and enjoy a couple cups a day (though not a pot). The effect is too trivial to make much difference.

--Hawthorne--Yes, it may dilate coronary arteries modestly, but not enough to make any difference.

--Garlic--with the possible exception of a specific preparation called Aged Garlic Extract (an acqueous, non-oil-based, extract from Kyolic), garlic's effects are too tiny to help, e.g., drop in blood pressure 1-2 points. Use it, but don't expect much. Aged Garlic Extract may be an exception, in that a single study from UCLA suggested specific effects on slowing coronary plaque growth. We await more info on this.

--Anti-oxidants--There is no shortage of extravagant claims about the benefits of anti-oxidants. Unfortunately, there's very little human exerience with pine bark extract, pycnogenol, grapeseed extract, and so on. Is the purported benefit from anti-oxidation or through some other means, e.g., enhancement of nitric oxide synthase? No data.

--Policosanol--If you've followed the Track Your Plaque Special Reports, you already know what a disappointment this agent has been, despite the too-good-to-be-true clinical data. It doesn't work.

--"No-flush niacin"--Unfortunately, no flush, no effect. This high-priced supplement is still sold widely in the U.S. despite its complete lack of efficacy. It does not work in humans. (It works great in rats!)

Track Your Plaque continues to try to be the arbiter of truth in what works, what doesn't in truly stopping or reversing your coronary plaque. The proof positive? Stopping or dropping your heart scan score.
Vitamin D toxicity

Vitamin D toxicity

It is the craziest thing.

The notion of vitamin D being easily and readily toxic has grabbed hold of many people, including my colleagues who were taught that vitamin D was toxic in medical school based on the skimpiest (and often misinterpreted) observations in a handful of unusual cases.

In my practice and in the Track Your Plaque program, we routinely use doses of 2000-10,000 units per day, occasionally more. We are guided by blood levels of 25(OH) vitamin D3. I have personally never witnessed vitamin D toxicity.

Here's an interesting graph from Dr. Reinhold Vieth. Those of you familiar with the vitamin D argument know that Dr. Vieth is among the few genuine gurus in the vitamin D world.



















From Vieth R. Vitamin D supplementation, 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentrations, and safety. Am J Clin Nutr 1999;69:842-856. (Full text is available without charge.)

In the graph, the X's represent toxicity; circles fall within the non-toxic range. (Toxicity is generally defined as a level sufficient to raise blood calcium levels, "hypercalcemia.") Note that the 25(OH) vitamin D3 levels are given in nmol/L; to convert to ng/ml units that are customary in the U.S., divide the nmol/L value by a factor of 2.5.

You will notice that toxicity is virtually unheard of until the dose exceeds 10,000 units per day. Beyond 10,000 units per day, the curve heads upward sharply and toxicity does become a possibility, though not an absolute (since there are circles above 10,000 units).

You may also notice that the curve is relatively flat from vitamin D doses between 200 units and 10,000 units (log scale on x axis; arithmetic scale on y), the range of most common doses for vitamin D supplementation.

Another perspective on vitamin D blood levels is to examine the blood levels of people who are young and obtain plentiful sun exposure. Lifeguards, for instance, have blood levels of 84 ng/ml (210 nmol/L) without ill-effect. (Sun exposure cannot generate vitamin D toxicity, because of a feedback safety mechanism in skin.) While this may not represent an ideal level since they represent an extreme, it does provide reassurance that such levels are non-toxic. I also point out these levels occur in the youthful since most people lose 75% or more of vitamin D activating capacity in the skin by their 70s. Most of us over 40 are kidding ourselves if we think that a suntan provides sufficient vitamin D.

Keep in mind that it is not necessarily the dose of vitamin D that is toxic, but the blood level it generates. I take 10,000 units of vitamin D as a gelcap per day to maintain my blood level between 50-60 ng/ml (125-150 nmol/L). This strategy helps me keep my HDL in the 70-80 mg/dl range, my blood sugar around 90 mg/dl, my blood pressure <120/80, and I no longer experience colds nor winter "blues."


Copyright 2008 William Davis, MD

Comments (26) -

  • mike V

    2/6/2008 5:19:00 PM |

    Dr D:
    I take up to 4000 IU per day depending on season and have recently had a zero CTA scan, so I personally have high confidence in vitamin D3.
    From time to time I see references to the possibility that excessive D can produce soft tissue/arterial calcification in some people. I understand of course that Vitamin K2 menaquinone is an essential partner in proper calcium homeostasis.
    Are you completely without concern at the blood levels discussed?, or should people with marginal kidney performance or other moderate metabolic conditions be cautious?
    Would appreciate your thoughts.
    MikeV

  • mtflight

    2/6/2008 5:31:00 PM |

    Where does one get 10,000 IU caps?

    I take 4000 IU capsules from Carlson Labs (called "Solar Gems")--the oil in the caps is fish oil, so that's a plus, and my multivitamin has 1,000 IUs.


    P.S. Thanks for the blog, I'm a big fan!

  • Dr. Davis

    2/6/2008 9:33:00 PM |

    There are clearly groups of people who should work with their doctor when it comes to vitamin D, particularly people with kidney disease or dysfunction; history of kidney stones; glandular diseases like hyperparathyroidism; a history of high calcium.

  • MrSardonicus

    2/6/2008 9:58:00 PM |

    If taking 4,000 IU of Vitamin D a day increases one's HDL by a relatively small number -- say, 10 -- but it's still low, what do you think is the likelihood hiking the amount will further increase HDL?

    Also, do you take calcium with your Vitamin D?

  • Dr. Davis

    2/6/2008 10:01:00 PM |

    I have never seen 10,000 capsules. I'm hoping somebody comes out with such a preparation. I wasn't aware of the 4000 unit capsules. Thanks for the tip!

  • Dr. Davis

    2/6/2008 10:04:00 PM |

    I would not advise taking more vit D just to raise HDL.

    Blood level of vit D is the parameter to assess vit D adequacy. I would regard a rise in HDL as a fortuitous side phenomenon.

  • Brandon

    2/6/2008 11:00:00 PM |

    “…and I no longer experience colds nor winter "blues."

    Careful, this sort of personal testimonial lends to sounding more like a “nutritional guru” instead of medical professional examining scientific evidence.

    I’m not saying you’re incorrect, it may be your experience and it may be absolutely true, but a stick to the clinical facts. You’re talents are better suited to being a “medical watchdog” than a “dietary duck.”

  • Anonymous

    2/7/2008 12:19:00 AM |

    Dear Dr. Davis,
    I would love your opinion of my doctor's protocol regarding my recent diagnosis of osteopenia in my hips (t-scores -1.1 and -1.2 femoral neck, my spine was normal, -0.2).  I'm a 56 year old woman, 115 pounds, just went through menopause, taking Zocor and Lotrel (high cholesterol and hypertension both run in my family), I exercise regularly.  My doctor said he wanted to see how well I absorb Vit D, so he ordered a blood test, however, he ordered the D1,25 test (results 35 pg/mL), NOT D25 which I understand is a truer biomarker.  He prescribed Vitamin D, Calcitriol, one 0.025 capsule per day for one month, with no restrictions on my Calcium/Vit D intake through supplements, after which he said to return for another Vitamind D blood test (another D1,25).  I've read that Calcitriol can cause hypercalcemia.  I've also read that D1,25 will not tell you how well you're absorbing Vitamin D.  Based on that, I felt I was wasting my time and risking hypercalcemia, so I stopped taking the Calcitriol.  Should I tell my doctor that he ordered the wrong blood test?  Also, which prescription Vit D should I be taking? I have no other health issues.  Thank you, Dr. Davis.
    Ruthie

  • Dr. Davis

    2/7/2008 12:58:00 AM |

    Thank you, but I disagree.

    I add my experiences to that of probably over 1000 patients in the last two years who have shared similar effects.

  • Dr. Davis

    2/7/2008 1:00:00 AM |

    Hi, Ruthie-

    Lots of issues. However, it sounds like your doctor is simply toeing the conventional line of prescription drugs. It may be time to either prod your doctor to get up to date on vitamin D, or to find a doctor willing to engage in the discussion.

  • Anonymous

    2/7/2008 1:27:00 AM |

    Do you know if any one is making or developing an at home vitamin D3 testing product?

  • Dr. Davis

    2/7/2008 2:55:00 AM |

    Wouldn't that be wonderful?!

    Unfortunately, I do not know of any such commercially available product. However, it would be a tremendous boon to this movement of self-empowerment in health care that I see coming for the future.

  • Anonymous

    2/7/2008 5:36:00 AM |

    I am taking vitamin D3 two softgels of 2000 IU each daily, one in the morning and one in the evening. I want to know if I get the same effect if I take two softgels together instead of taking one twice a day. Thanks.

  • Anne

    2/7/2008 9:12:00 AM |

    Hi Ruthie,

    I'm 54 and diagnosed with osteoporosis (T scores -3.7 in hips and -3.1 lumbar spine). I've been prescribed calcium supplements (as well as Strontium Ranelate) but I've found that I'm very intolerant to the calcium, no matter whether I try calcium citrate, calcium carbonate or calcium amino acid chelate, so since Christmas I've stopped all calcium supplements and upped my vitamin D3 intake to 4000iu per day (not prescription, I wish it was then it wouldn't be so expensive...vitamin D costs a lot in the UK, much more than the US) so that I absorb my dietary calcium as well as possible. I feel very confident that this will work, especially in view of a previous blog from Dr Davis about calcium:http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2008/01/calcium-chaos_22.html

    Plus logic tells me that it is not lack of calcium that causes osteoporosis but other factors. People in third world countries such as Africa on suboptimal diets have very low levels of dietary calcium but they don't usually get osteoporosis...they get more sunshine (vitamin D) and do much more physical work. I'm doing plenty of weight resistance exercise now !

    bw's
    Anne

  • Dr. Davis

    2/7/2008 1:03:00 PM |

    Yes, no difference.

  • moblogs

    2/7/2008 2:25:00 PM |

    bio-tech-pharm.com supply D3 in 1k, 5k and 50k capsules, and with delivery rates that are reasonable for those out of the US.
    I've been taking 5k for the past 2 weeks and don't feel bad on it, but will be getting blood levels checked within a season to see if I'm personally responding correctly.
    The 400IU average was just based on preventing rickets.

  • hoosierville

    2/7/2008 7:03:00 PM |

    Dr. Davis,
    I've had great results from increasing my vitamin D intake with regards to my lung capacity. I'm a recovering smoker with moderate copd and, after being hospitalized for pneumonia, am finally recovering to a point where I can almost run up and down steps. I attribute this to my "D" supplements which I began taking about a month ago. I can take deep breaths for the first time in years.

    My question is about the supplements themselves. I see very expensive D3 tablets and then I see the regular vitamin D. Is one better than the other? Is there a great deal of difference? Thanks.

  • jabs28

    2/8/2008 6:05:00 PM |

    I am surprised to see how many people are gettingtheir their Vitamin D requirements with supplements.  Go out into the sun WITHOUT sunscreen for 10-15 minutes a day and then supplement the rest.  Remember it also takes about 40 glasses of milk to equal 4000 iu's of Vitamin D.  You can get that from about 15 minutes of sun exposure depending on your age and ethnicity.  The more melanin in your skin, the longer you need to expose it.

  • Anonymous

    2/8/2008 6:10:00 PM |

    The capsules I take (the Solar Gems) are 6 cents a 4000 IU softgel:

    http://www.vitacost.com/Carlson-Solar-D-Gems-Vitamin-D

  • hoosierville

    2/9/2008 2:25:00 PM |

    Jabs,
    I live in Indiana. It's going to be 6 degrees out in just a few minutes. We haven't seen the sun in weeks. What do you suggest, tanning beds? I'll do it but not until I hear that they're safe. Be reasonable, not everyone lives where they can get natural sunlight. I think that's part of the Vitamin D deficiency problem.

  • TedHutchinson

    2/10/2008 9:08:00 PM |

    I have been taking the same 5000iu Biotech capsules Moblogs uses.
    I was 147.5nmol - 59ng when tested at the end of summer (UK latitude 53) although I did not take a D3 on days when I knew I would be able to get near full body sun exposure at midday.

    As others have reported, I also have not had a cold or flu over the winter (so far and still touching wood) others I am regularly in contact with have been unlucky.
    (I also did not need to get my SADLIGHT down from the attic this winter)

  • MattWheeler

    2/11/2008 3:26:00 AM |

    Something in the my 7 month TYP program (6000iu D3 gelcap, Slo-Niacin 1.5g, 3g+ fishoil, low wheat-suger) has really helped with joint pain I have had for 8 years.  This has allowed me to lift weights 3 times per week and thus reduced my bodyfat from 27 to 19 percent.  I look and feel much better.  I am 51, male at 215 lbs.

  • Anonymous

    2/11/2008 10:00:00 PM |

    Oh, is it because I take vitamin D3 that even with people dropping like flies around me (with colds, flu, etc) I never get sick? I have always thought it surprising that I tend not to get these things, given that I do have a number of autoimmune conditions. I have only ever used tablets (1000IU 1/day) and my vitamin D3 (250H) level is 52ng/mL.

    However, my vitamin D2 (250H) level is <4ng/mL and my vitamin D (1,25) level is only 24pg/mL (normal range 22-67). Should I (and is it possible to?) do anything to increase those levels?

  • Anonymous

    12/3/2008 2:51:00 PM |

    * * D2 v. D3 * *
    http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/92952.php

    * * D2 vs. lupus vulgaris * *
    ("administered in alcoholic solution is key" to success of therapy)
    http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=1583253&blobtype=pdf

  • George Mclaughlin

    10/9/2010 12:37:54 AM |

    Very interesting article. I find myself concerned about the side effects of vitamin D supplements, as opposed to sunlight-derived vitamin D.

    I'd love to hear your thoughts on this article, which appears to be quite well cited:

    http://www.raw-food-health.net/Vitamin-D-Toxicity.html

  • buy jeans

    11/2/2010 8:39:57 PM |

    In my practice and in the Track Your Plaque program, we routinely use doses of 2000-10,000 units per day, occasionally more. We are guided by blood levels of 25(OH) vitamin D3. I have personally never witnessed vitamin D toxicity.

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