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Apple, 1 medium: Fructose 10.74 g




Honey: Fructose 17.19 grams per 2 tablespoons



Barbecue Sauce: HFCS number 1 ingredient
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A1 Steak Sauce: HFCS number 2 ingredient
Ingredients: Tomato puree (water, tomato paste), high fructose corn syrup, vinegar, salt, water dried onions, contains less than 2% of black pepper, modified food starch, citric acid, dried parsley, dried garlic, xanthan gum, caramel color, potassium sorbate and calcium disodium EDTA as preservatives, molasses, corn syrup, sugar, spices, tamarind, natural flavor

Do heart scans cause cancer?

Another in a series of data extrapolations that attempt to predict long-term cancer risk from medical radiation exposure was published in the July 13, 2009 Archives of Internal Medicine, viewable here.

Over the years, I've fussed about the radiation dose used by some centers for CT heart scans. (Note: I'm talking about CT heart scans, not CT coronary angiograms, an entirely different test with different radiation exposure.) In the "old" days, when electron-beam devices (EBT) were the best on the block, the old single-slice CT scanners (the predecessor of the current 64-slice MDCT scanners) exposed patients to ungodly quantities of radiation, while the EBT devices required very small quantities (0.5 mSv or about the equivalent of 4 standard chest x-rays or one mammogram).

But CT technology has advanced considerably. While EBT has been phased out (although it was an exceptional technology, GE acquired the small California manufacturer, then promptly scrapped the operation; you can guess why), multi-detector CT (MDCT) technology has improved in speed, image quality, and radiation exposure.

While it has improved, radiation exposure still remains an issue. The authors of the study applied the scanning protocols used at three hospitals and those in several CT heart scan studies, then calculated radiation exposure. They found a more than ten-fold range of exposure, from 0.8 mSv to 10.5 mSv. (All scanners were MDCT, none EBT.)

That's precisely what I've been worrying about: In the rapid rush to develop new devices, radiation exposure has often been a neglected issue. While some scan centers do an excellent job and take steps to minimize exposure, others barely lift a finger and consequently expose their patients to unnecessary radiation.

However, it's not as bad as it sounds. For one, the study included 16-slice MDCT scanners, a scanner type that I warned people to not use because of radiation. On the current most popular 64-slice devices, much lower radiation exposure is possible, on the order of 0.8-1.2 mSv routinely--if the center takes the effort.

This study, while eye-opening, will achieve some good: CT heart scans are here to stay. But the day-to-day practice of heart scanning should be:

1) standardized
2) conducted with radiation exposure as low as possible, preferably <0.8 mSv


To read more about this issue, below I've reprinted a 2007 full Track Your Plaque Special Report, CT Heart Scans and Radiation: The Real Story.




CT heart scans and radiation: The real story

“My personal opinion is that many patients today who are receiving multiple CT scans may well be getting at least comparable doses to subjects that have now developed malignancies from x-ray radiation received in the 1930s and '40s. And, similar to those days when the doses were unknown, the dose that patients receive today over a course of years of multiple CT scans is also completely unknown . . .

“I recommend that all healthcare providers become familiar with the concept that 1 in 1000 CT studies of the chest, abdomen, or pelvis may result in cancer.”


Richard C. Semelka, MD
Professor and Vice Chairman, Department of Radiology
University of North Carolina–Chapel Hill



Is this just hype to generate headlines? Or is the truth buried in the enormous marketing clout of the medical device industry, among which the imaging device manufacturers reign supreme?

It’s been over 110 years since radiation was first used for medical imaging. Over those years, it has had its share of misadventures.

In the 1930s and 1940s, before the dangers of radiation were recognized, shoe shoppers had shoes fitted using an x-ray device of the foot to assess fit. High doses of radiation were used to shrink enlarged tonsils and extinguish overactive thyroid glands. Attitudes towards radiation were so lax that doctors commonly permitted themselves to be exposed without protection day after day, year after year, until an unexpected rise in blood cancers like leukemia was observed. As recently as the 1970s and 1980s, cancers like Hodgkins’ disease were treated with high doses of radiation, also leading to radiation-induced diseases decades later.

Not all radiation is bad. Radiation can also be used as a therapeutic tool and even today remains a useful and reasonably effective method to reduce the size, sometimes eliminate, certain types of cancer. Forty percent of people with cancer now receive some form of radiation as part of their treatment (Ron E 2003).


Just how much does medical radiation add to our exposure?

Estimates vary, but most experts estimate that medical imaging provides approximately 15% of total lifetime exposure. In other words, radiation exposure from medical imaging is simply a small portion of total exposure that develops over the years of life. Exposure can be much higher, however, in a specific individual who undergoes repeated radiation imaging or treatment of one sort or another.

For all of us, exposure to medical radiation is part of lifetime exposure from multiple sources, added to the radiation we receive from the world around us. Just by living on earth, we are exposed to radiation from space and naturally-occurring radioactive compounds, and receive somewhere around 3.0 mSv per year (U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission). (Doses for radiation exposure are commonly expressed in milliSieverts, mSv, a measure that reflects whole-body radiation exposure.) People living in high-altitude locales like Colorado get exposed to an additional 30–50% ambient radiation (1.0–1.5 mSv more per year).

Much of the information on radiation exposure comes from studies like the Life Span Study that, since 1961, has tracked 120,000 Japanese exposed to radiation from the atomic bombs dropped in 1945 (Preston DL et al 2003). Although regarded as a high-dose exposure study for obvious reasons, there are actually thousands of people in this study who were exposed to lesser quantities of radiation (because of distance from the bomb sites) who still display a “dose-response” increased risk for cancer many years later in life. Radiation exposures of as little as 5–20 mSv showed a slight increase in lifetime risk.

Occupational and excessive medical exposure to radiation also provides a “laboratory” to examine radiation risk. Miners exposed to radon gas; patients exposed to the imaging agent, Thorotrast, containing radioactive isotope thorium dioxide and used as an x-ray contrast agent in the 1930s and 1940s and possesses the curious property of lingering in the body for over 30 years after administration; radium injections administered between 1945 and 1955 to treat diseases like ankylosing spondylitis and tuberculosis, all provide researchers an opportunity to study the long-term effects of various types of radiation exposure over many years (Harrison JD et al 2003).

The excess exposure of workers and several hundred thousand nearby residents to the Mayak nuclear plant in Russia has also revealed a “dose-response” relationship, with increasing exposure leading to more cancers, including leukemia and solid cancers of the bone, liver, and lung (Shilnikova NS et al 2003). Nuclear waste released into the Techa river between 1948 and 1956 contaminated drinking water used by over 100,000 Russians. A plant explosion in 1957 also released an excess of radiation into the atmosphere, yielding exposure via inhalation. Some sources estimate that at least 272,000 people have been affected by radiation from the Mayak plant. This unfortunate situation has, however, yielded plenty of data on radiation exposure and its long-term effects.

It’s also been known for several decades that people who receive therapeutic radiation for treatment of cancer, even with the reduced doses now employed, are subject to increased risk of a second cancer consequent to the radiation treatment.

From experiences like this, radiation experts estimate that an exposure of 10 mSv increases a population’s risk for cancer by 1 in 1000 (Semelka RC et al 2007).

This question was recently thrust into the spotlight with publication of a study from Columbia University in New York suggesting that a 20-year old woman would be exposed to a lifetime risk of cancer as high as 1 in 143 consequent to the radiation received during a CT coronary angiogram. (Important note: This was estimated risk from a CT coronary angiogram, not a simple heart scan that we advocate for the Track Your Plaque program.) The risk at the low end of the spectrum would be in an 80-year old man (because of the shorter period of time to develop cancer), with a risk of 1 in 5017. If “gating” to the EKG is added (which many scan centers do indeed perform nowadays), risk for a 60-year old woman is estimated at 1 in 715; risk for a 60-year old male, 1 in 1911 (Einstein AJ et al 2007). This study generated some criticism, since it did not directly involve human subjects, but used “phantoms” or x-ray dummies to simulate x-ray exposure. Nonetheless, the point was made: CT coronary angiograms in current practice do indeed expose the patient to substantial quantities of radiation, sufficient to pose a lifetime risk of cancer.


The media frenzy

The NY Times ran an article called With Rise in Radiation Exposure, Experts Urge Caution on Tests in which they stated:

"According to a new study, the per-capita dose of ionizing radiation from clinical imaging exams in the United States increased almost 600 percent from 1980 to 2006. In the past, natural background radiation was the leading source of human exposure; that has been displaced by diagnostic imaging procedures, the authors said."

“This is an absolutely sentinel event, a wake-up call,” said Dr. Fred A. Mettler Jr., principal investigator for the study, by the National Council on Radiation Protection. “Medical exposure now dwarfs that of all other sources.”

Radiation is a widely used imaging tool in medicine. Although CT scans of the brain, bones, chest, abdomen, and pelvis account for only 5% of all medical radiation procedures, they are responsible for nearly 50% of medical radiation used. It’s been known for years that increasing radiation exposure increases cancer risk over many years, but the boom of newer, faster devices that provide more detailed images has opened the floodgates to expanded use of CT scanners.

But before we join in the hysteria, let's first take a look at exposure measured for different sorts of tests:


Typical effective radiation dose values for common tests

Computed Tomography

Head CT 1 – 2 mSv
Pelvis CT 3 – 4 mSv
Chest CT 5 – 7 mSv
Abdomen CT 5 – 7 mSv
Abdomen/pelvis CT 8 – 11 mSv
Coronary CT angiography 5 – 12 mSv


Non-CT

Hand radiograph Less than 0.1 mSv
Chest radiograph Less than 0.1 mSv
Mammogram 0.3 – 0.6 mSv
Barium enema exam 3 – 6 mSv
Coronary angiogram 5 – 10 mSv
Sestamibi myocardial perfusion (per injection) 6 – 9 mSv
Thallium myocardial perfusion (per injection) 26 – 35 mSv

Source: Cynthia H. McCullough, Ph.D., Mayo Clinic, Rochester, MN


A plain, everyday chest x-ray, providing less than 0.1 mSv exposure, provides about the same quantity of radiation exposure as flying in an airplane for four hours, or the same amount of radiation from exposure to our surroundings for 11–12 days. Similar exposure arises from dental x-rays.

If you have a heart scan on an EBT device, then your exposure is 0.5-0.6 mSv, roughly the same as a mammogram or several standard chest x-rays.

With a heart scan on a 16- or 64-slice multidetector device, exposure is ideally around 1.0-2.0 mSv, about the same as 2-3 mammograms, though dose can vary with this technology depending on how it is performed (gated to the EKG, device settings, etc.)

CT coronary angiography presents a different story. This is where radiation really escalates and puts the radiation exposure issue in the spotlight. As Dr. Cynthia McCullough's chart shows above, the radiation exposure with CT coronary angiograms is 5-12 mSv, the equivalent of 100 or more chest x-rays or 20 mammograms. Now, that's a problem.

The exposure is about the same for a pelvic or abdominal CT. The problem is that some centers are using CT coronary angiograms as screening procedures and even advocating their use annually. This is where the alarm needs to be sounded. These tests, as wonderful as the information and image quality can be, are not screening tests. Just like a pelvic CT, they are diagnostic tests done for legitimate medical questions. They are not screening tests to be applied broadly and used year after year.

It’s also worth giving second thought to any full body scan you might be considering. These screening studies include scans of the chest, abdomen, and pelvis. These scans, performed for screening, expose the recipient to approximately 10 mSv of radiation (Radiological Society of North American, 2007). Debate continues on whether the radiation exposure is justified, given the generally asymptomatic people who generally undergo these tests.

Always be mindful of your radiation exposure, as the NY Times article rightly advises. However, don't be so frightened that you are kept from obtaining truly useful information from, for instance, a CT heart scan (not angiography) at a modest radiation cost.


Heart scans, CT coronary angiograms and the future

Unfortunately, practicing physicians and those involved in providing CT scans are generally unconcerned with radiation exposure. The majority, in fact, are entirely unaware of the dose of radiation required for most CT scan studies and unaware of the cancer risk involved. It is therefore up to the individual to insist on a discussion of the type of scanner being used, the radiation dose delivered (at least in general terms), the necessity of the test, alternative methods to obtain the same diagnostic information, all in the context of lifetime radiation exposure.

Our concerns about radiation exposure all boil down to concern over lifetime risk for cancer, a disease that strikes approximately 20% of all Americans. Many factors contribute to cancer risk, including obesity, excessive saturated fat intake, low fiber intake, lack of vitamin D, repeated sunburns, excessive alcohol use, smoking, exposure to pesticides and other organochemicals, asbestos and other industrial exposures, electromagnetic wave exposure, and genetics. Radiation is just one source of risk, though to some degree a controllable one.

Some people, on hearing this somewhat disturbing discussion, refuse to ever have another medical test requiring radiation. That’s the wrong attitude. It makes no more sense than wearing lead shielding on your body 24 hours a day to reduce exposure from the atmosphere. Taken in the larger context of life, radiation exposure is just one item on a list of potentially harmful factors.

It is, however, worth some effort to minimize radiation exposure over your lifetime, particularly before age 60, and by submitting to high-dose testing only when truly necessary, or when the potential benefits outweigh the risks. Thus, with heart scans and CT coronary angiography, some thought to the potential benefits of knowing your score or the information gained from the CT angiogram need to be considered before undergoing the test. Often the practical difficulty, of course, is that your risk for heart disease simply cannot be known until after the test.

In our view, in the vast majority of instances a simple CT heart scan can serve the simple but crucial role of quantifying risk for heart attack and atherosclerotic plaque. CT heart scans yield this information with less than a tenth of the radiation exposure of a CT coronary angiogram. In people without symptoms and a normal stress test, there is rarely a need for CT coronary angiography with present day levels of radiation exposure. Perhaps as technology advances and the radiation required to generate images is reduced, then we should reconsider.

Early experiences are suggesting that the newest 256-slice scanners, now being developed but not yet available, will cut the dose exposure of 64-slice CT angiograms in half (from 27.8 mSv to 14.1 mSv in a recent Japanese study). The 256-slice scanners will allow scanning that is faster over a larger area in a given period of time.

Thankfully, the scanner manufacturers are increasingly sensitive to the radiation issue and have been working on methods to reduce radiation exposure. However, it still remains substantial.


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Copyright 2007, Track Your Plaque.

Goodbye, fructose

A carefully-conducted study by a collaborative research group at University of California-Berkeley has finally closed the lid on the fuss over fructose vs. glucose and its purported adverse effects.

The study is published in its entirety here.

Compared to glucose, fructose induced:

1) Four-fold greater intra-abdominal fat accumulation--3% increased intra-abdominal fat with glucose; 14.4% with fructose. (Intraabdominal fat is the variety that blocks insulin responses and causes diabetes and inflammation.)

2) 13.9% increase in LDL cholesterol but double the increase for Apoprotein B (an index of the number of LDL particles, similar to NMR LDL particle number).

3) 44.9% increase in small LDL, compared to 13.3% with glucose.

4) While glucose (curiously) reduced the net postprandial (after-eating) triglyceride response (area under the curve, AUC), fructose increased postprandial triglycerides 99.2%.


The authors propose that fructose specifically increases liver VLDL production, the lipoprotein particle that yields abnormal after-eating particles, increased LDL, and provides building blocks to manufacture small LDL particles. The authors also persuasively propose that fructose metabolism, unlike glucose, is not inhibited (via feedback loop) by energy intake, i.e., it's as if you are always starving.

Add to this the data that show that fructose increases uric acid (that causes gout and may act as a coronary risk factor), induces leptin resistance, causes metabolic syndrome (pre-diabetes), and increases appetite, and it is clear that fructose is yet another common food additive that, along with wheat, is likely a big part of the reason Americans are fat and diabetic.

Fructose is concentrated, of course, in high-fructose corn syrup, comprising anywhere from 42-90% of total weight. Fructose also composes 50% of sucrose (table sugar). Fructose also figures prominently in many fruits; among the worst culprits are raisins (30% fructose) and honey (41% fructose).

Also, beware of low-fat or non-fat salad dressings (rich with high-fructose corn syrup), ketchup, beer, fruit drinks, fruit juices, all of which are rich sources of this exceptionally fattening, metabolism-bypassing, LDL cholesterol/small LDL/ApoB increasing compound. Ironically, this means that many low-fat foods meant to reduce cholesterol actually increase it when they contain fructose in any form.

When you hear or say "fructose," run the other way, regardless of what the Corn Refiners Association says.

The statin-free life

Matt came to me because his doctor couldn't reduce his LDL cholesterol.

His doctor had prescribed Zocor (simvastatin), Lipitor, Crestor, even pravastatin, all of which resulted in incapacitating muscle aches and weakness within a week of starting. No surprise, Matt had a jaundiced view of statin drugs.

We started out by characterizing his lipoprotein patterns:

--LDL 155 mg/dl

--72% of LDL was small LDL, a moderately severe pattern. (This means that small LDL comprised 112 mg/dl of the total 155 mg/dl LDL; large LDL comprised 43 mg/dl--small LDL was the problem.)

--HDL 42 mg/dl --Triglycerides 133 mg/dl

--No lipoprotein(a)

Beyond lipoproteins, Matt proved severely deficient in vitamin D with a starting level of 18 ng/ml.

Matt's doctor had advised that he avoid salt, as his blood pressure had been borderline high. His thyroid assessment disclosed a TSH of 3.89 mIU/ml with thyroid hormones free T3 and free T4 in the lower half of the normal range.

I therefore asked Matt to:

--Eliminate wheat, cornstarch, and sugars to reduce small LDL
--Add iodine
--Supplement 6000 units of an oil-based vitamin D preparation
--Take fish oil to provide at least 1800 mg EPA + DHA per day
--Take Armour Thyroid 1 grain per day


Several months later on this program, Matt had a repeat basic lipid panel:

--LDL 82 mg/dl--a 47% reduction

--HDL 52 mg/dl a 24% increase

--Triglycerides 60 mg/dl--a 55% decrease

In addition, vitamin D was 66 ng/ml, TSH was <1.0 mIU/ml with free T3 and free T4 in the upper half of the "reference range." Matt also felt great.

While the numbers could be slightly better, Matt had made tremendous progress towards achieving perfect values.

There you have it: Marked correction of cholesterol values, no statin drugs involved.

Creatine: Not just for muscle heads

Even if you’re not interested in building big muscles like a bodybuilder, there are health benefits to increasing muscle mass: increased bone density, better balance, and fewer injuries. Greater muscle mass means higher metabolic rate, improved insulin responsiveness, lower blood sugar. The inevitable loss of muscle mass of aging can lead to frailty, an increasingly common situation for the elderly. Muscle loss be reversed, health improved as a result.

Since its introduction in 1994, creatine has exploded in popularity, particularly among bodybuilders and athletes interested in gaining muscle mass and strength. But creatine is not just for young weight lifters. If you are just interested in increasing muscle mass for its health benefits, then creatine is something to consider.

A study of creatine supplementation in men, average age 70 years, demonstrated that, when creatine was combined with strength training, it increased muscle mass 250% better than placebo (7.26 lb muscle vs 2.86 lb muscle), along with improved leg strength and endurance. The same group also demonstrated 3.2% increased bone density (measured using dual energy X-ray absorptiometry) after 12 weeks in participants taking creatine with strength training, while the control (no strength training, no creatine) group decreased by 1.0%.

Benefits are not confined to men. Similar results were observed in another study that included women (age 65 and older), with outcomes in females comparable to males. This is especially important for females, given the common development of osteopenia and osteoporosis in postmenopausal females.

Other studies have shown that benefits are maintained after stopping creatine supplementation.

The most popular form of creatine is the monohydrate, generally taken as a “loading” phase of 15-20 grams per day (generally split into 3-4 doses of 5 grams) for 5-7 days, followed by weeks to months of 2-5 grams per day.

An alternative form, polyethylene glycosylated creatine (PEG-creatine) provides similar effects at one-fourth to one-half the dose of creatine, i.e., 1.25-2.5 grams per day.

Despite previous concerns about kidney toxicity with prolonged use, another study showed that athletes taking creatine for up to 21 months have shown no adverse effects on kidney function, lipid (cholesterol) values, or other basic health measures.

Having healthy muscle mass doesn't make you bulge like a bodybuilder. With modest efforts at strength training, augmented with creatine supplementation, you have a wonderful tool to feel better, reduce injury, increase bone density, and combat abnormal insulin resistance, not to mention accelerate weight loss, since lean muscle mass consumes energy.

The ultimate “bioidentical” hormone

There has been a lot of debate over whether or not “bio-identical” hormones, i.e., hormones identical to the human form, are superior to non-human forms dispensed by the drug industry.

The FDA is currently taking steps to clamp down on availability of bioidentical hormones and their claims of superiority, despite a groundswell of grassroot support for them. The argument has pitted anti-aging practitioners and the public, as well as the likes of Oprah and Suzanne Somers, against Big Pharma and the FDA, the two forces trying to squash the bioidentical hormone movement.

Regardless of what heavy-handed approach the FDA takes, we already have access to hormones identical to the original human form. It requires no prescription and yields downstream hormones that the human body recognizes as human.

That "bioidentical" hormone is pregnenolone.

Pregnenolone is the first biochemical step in the conversion of dietary cholesterol (yes-cholesterol!) to numerous other hormones. Pregnenolone is the source of the hormones that lie at the center of the bioidentical hormone controversy: estrogens, progesterone, and testosterone. We therefore already have our own over-the-counter, non-prescription form of bioidentical hormones.

Supplemental pregnenolone increases estrogens (mildly), progesterone, and testosterone. Prenenonlone supplementation simply provide more of the basic substrate for hormone production. The increase in hormones is usually modest, not as vigorous as direct hormone replacement like, say, testosterone or progesterone topical creams. But pregnenolone can be useful when small to moderate increases are desired, such as for reduction of Lp(a). A theoretical downside is that pregnenonlone can also convert to cortisol, the adrenal gland hormone that regulates fluid and blood pressure. However, I've not seen any measurable increase in cortisol with low doses of pregnenonlone and limited data suggest that it does not. Pregnenolone also converts to the other adrenal gland hormone, DHEA; I call DHEA "the hormone of assertiveness," since some people who take too much pregnenolone (or direct DHEA) acquire excessive assertiveness.

The key to pregnenolone supplementation is to proceed gradually and begin with a small dose, e.g., 5 mg every morning. Hormonal assessment is best conducted periodically to assess the effects and to determine whether a dose adjustment is in order.

Roger's near-miss CT angiogram experience

Heart Scan Blog reader, Roger, described his near-miss experience with CT coronary angiograms.

Hoping to obtain just a simple CT heart scan, he was bullied to get a CT coronary angiogram instead. Roger held strong and just asked for the test that we all should be having, a CT heart scan.


I posted yesterday that I was about to have my first CT heart scan...well, it was an interesting experience for reasons I coudn't possibly have anticipated. Dr. Davis has commented in the past on the confusion in the media about the difference between a CT calcium score scan, and a CT angiography, the latter requiring a far higher dose of radiation. I assumed this was a source of confusion only among patients and lay folks, but, lo and behold, I discovered today that doctors--or at least their helpers--can be just as confused.

Here's my story:

After checking in, I asked the receptionist to see if she had any information on whether my medical insurance was covering the scan. She called someone, and I heard her say over the phone, "He's here for a CT angiogram." At that point my ears perked up. I explained I wasn't here for a CT angiogram, only a regular CT scan. "Well, do you want to call your doctor and talk about this?" she asked. No, I said, I would like to ask one of their folks to verify exactly what test my doctor had ordered. As luck would have it, the technician was walking by at that point. "Is this a CT angiogram?" the receptionist asked. "No, it's just a CT calcium score scan" was the reply. But apparently the technician had been unclear herself, and had called my doctor just to verify. In other words, the "default" procedure they were accustomed to doing at this august Houston vascular clinic was a CT angiogram.

In fact, my appointment was even listed on their calendar as a "CT angiogram." For all I know, my insurance will be billed for the same. Later, during the procedure, the technician acted surprised I wasn't doing the "full test." I explained I had minimal risk factors (actually only one, an HDL of 34 a couple of years ago, which has since been raised to 50 partly as a result of taking advice from this site), but that my doctor was progressive (he is an MD for the Houston Astros) and thought it was a good idea since there is heart disease in my immediate family. My doctor did indeed prescribe only a CT calcium score scan, but it seems to have been an order that this clinic, at least, wasn't all that used to seeing.

So, I guess the message is: we have a lot of educating to do. Had I not been a faithful reader of these pages, I certainly wouldn't have known what kind of test I was about to get, or what questions to ask!

As for the heart scan itself, a piece of cake. If you can hold your breath, you can take this test. Just be sure it is the right one!



Why the "push" towards CT coronary angiograms and not "just" a CT heart scan? Well, I know it's shocking but it's . . . money!

CT coronary angiograms yield around $1800-$4000 per test. CT heart scans yield somewhere around $200. Though the scan center support staff might not care too much about the money themselves, their administrators likely make the cost distinctions clear to them.

Another reason: Most scan center staff, ironically, don't understand what a heart scan means, nor do they understand how it might serve to launch a program of prevention. They do understand that severe blockage by CT angiogram "needs" to be stented or bypassed. So they push patients towards things they understand.

Nobody makes money from CT heart scans, just as nobody makes money from a mammogram. Heart scans also don't lead to heroic, "lifesaving" procedures. They just lead to this sleepy, unexciting, inexpensive thing called prevention.

The Myth of Prevention: Letter to the Wall Street Journal





The June 20-21, 2009 Wall Street Journal Weekend Journal featured a provocative front page article written by physician, Dr. Abraham Verghese:

The Myth of Prevention

While eloquently written, I took issue with a few crucial points. Here is the letter I sent to the Editor at Wall Street Journal:


Dear Wall Street Journal Editor,

Re: Dr. Abraham Verghese’s article, The Myth of Prevention in the June 20-21, 2009 Weekend Journal.


I believe a more suitable title for Dr. Verghese’s article would be: “The Myth of What Passes as Prevention.”

As a practicing cardiologist, I, too, have witnessed firsthand the systemic “corruption” described by Dr. Verghese, the doing things “to” people rather than “for” them. Heart care, in particular, is rife with this form of profit-driven health delivery.

There is a fundamental flaw in Dr. Verghese’s otherwise admirable analysis: He assumes that what is called “prevention” in mainstream medicine is truly preventive.

Dr. Verghese makes issue of the apparent minor differences between preventing a condition and just allowing a condition to run its course. Prostate cancer screening is one example: Men subjected to repeated screenings have little length-of-life advantage over men who just allow their prostate to suffer the expected course of disease.

What if, instead, “prevention” as practiced today is nothing more than a solution that has been adopted in mainstream practice to suit yet another doing “to” strategy than doing “for”? In the prostate cancer example, PSA and prostate exam screenings often serve as little more than a means of harvesting procedures for the local urologist.

That’s not prevention. It is a prototypical example of “prevention” being subverted into the cause of revenue-generating procedures.

I submit that Dr. Verghese has fallen victim to the very same system he criticizes. His views have unwittingly been corrupted by the corrupt profit-driven system he describes.

What if, instead, prevention were just that: prevention or elimination of the condition. What if “prevention” of prostate cancer eliminated prostate cancer? What if heart disease “prevention” prevented all heart disease? What if this all proceeded without regard for profit or revenue-generating procedures, but just on results?

Dr. Verghese specifically targets heart scans or coronary calcium scoring, a test he likens to “miracle glow-in-the-dark minnow lures,” calling them “moneymakers.” Yes, when subverted into a corrupt algorithm of stress test, heart catheterization, stent, or bypass, heart scans are indeed a test used wrongly to “prevent” heart disease.

But what if the risk insights provided by heart scans prompt the start of a benign yet effective “prevention” program that inexpensively, safely, and assuredly prevents--in the true sense of the word--or eliminates heart disease? Then I believe the differences in mortality, quality of life, and costs would be substantial. Such strategies exist, yet do not necessarily include prescription drugs and certainly do not include the aftermath of heart catheterization and bypass surgery. Yet such programs fail to seize the limelight of media attention with no new high-tech lifesaving headline nor a big marketing budget to broadcast its message.

The problem in medicine is not prevention and its failure to yield cost- and life-saving results. It is the pervasively profit-driven mindset that keeps true preventive strategies from entering mainstream conversation. It is a repeat of Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis’ late 19th-century pleads for physicians to wash their hands before delivering babies to reduce puerperal sepsis, ignominious advice that earned him life and death in an asylum. We are essentially continuing to deliver children with unwashed hands because there is no revenue-generating procedure to clean them.

No, Dr. Verghese, the economic and medical failings of preventive strategies are not at fault. The failure of the medical system, in which everyone is bent on seizing a piece of the financial action for himself, has resulted in the failure to support the propagation of true preventive strategies that could genuinely save money and lives.

President Obama’s goal of cultivating preventive practices in medicine can work, but only if the profit-motive for “prevention” does not serve as the primary determinant of practice. Results-driven practices that are applied without regard to profit have the potential to yield the sorts of cost-saving and life-saving results that can reduce healthcare costs.


William Davis, MD
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Medical Director, The Track Your Plaque Program (www.cureality.com)
Blog: http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com

A victory for SHAPE, CT heart scans, and doing what is RIGHT

The efforts of Texas House of Representatives Rep. Rene Oliveira and the SHAPE Guidelines committee have paid off: The Texas legislature passed a bill that requires health insurers to cover CT heart scans.

(NOTE: Don't make the same mistake that the media often makes and confuse CT heart scans with CT coronary angiography: two different tests, two different results, two different levels of radiation exposure. The difference is discussed here.)

Track Your Plaque previously reported the release of the SHAPE Guidelines, an ambitious effort to open CT heart scanning to people who would benefit from a simple screening test for coronary disease. Rep. Rene Oliveira initially introduced the bill in 2006, after having a heart scan uncovered extensive coronary plaque that resulted in coronary bypass surgery.

The bill requires that health-benefit providers cover the cost of CT heart scans (and carotid ultrasound) in men between the ages of 45-76, women 55-76, as well as anyone with diabetes or at "intermediate-risk" or higher for coronary disease by Framingham risk score.

The usual panel of cardiology knuckleheads stepped to the media podium, expressing their incredulity that something as "unvalidated" as heart scans could gain the backing of legislative mandate. Heartwire carried this comment:

"Contacted by heartwire, Dr Amit Khera (University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas) confirmed there are still no comprehensive, adequately powered studies showing that these screening tests lead to better outcomes. In a phone interview, Khera said he has major concerns about how physicians will use these tests, particularly primary-care physicians. "I gave a talk last week to primary-care doctors, and there were probably 250 people in the room, and when I asked how many people had ordered a calcium scan, just one person raised a hand. . . . Most people don't even know what to do with the Framingham risk score, so they're going to follow an algorithm that they don't know how to follow to order a test result that they don't know what to do with."

It's the same criticisms hurled at heart scans over the years despite literally thousands of studies validating their application.

Studies have conclusively shown that:

--Coronary calcium scores generated by a CT heart scan outperform any other risk measure for coronary disease, including LDL cholesterol, c-reactive protein, total cholesterol, HDL cholesterol, blood pressure.
--Coronary calcium scores yield a graded, trackable index of coronary risk. Scores that increase correlate with increased risk of cardiovascular events; scores that remain unchanged correlate with much reduced risk.
--A coronary calcium score of zero--no detectable calcium--correlates with extremely low 5-year risk for cardiovascular events.
--Coronary calcium scores correlate with other measures of coronary disease. Heart scans correlate with coronary angiography, quantitative coronary angiography, carotid ultrasound (intimal-medial thickness and plaque severity), ankle-brachial index, and stress tests, including radionuclide (nuclear) perfusion imaging.

The reluctance of my colleagues to embrace heart scans stems from two issues, for the most part:

1) No study has yet been performed showing that knowing what the score is vs. not knowing what the score is changes prognosis. That's true. But it is also true of the great majority of practices in medicine. While many wrongs don't make a right, the miserable and widespread failure of other coronary risk measures, like LDL cholesterol or c-reactive protein, to readily and reliably detect hidden coronary disease creates a gaping void for improved efforts at early detection. If your LDL cholesterol is 140 mg/dl, do you or don't you have coronary disease? If your doctor's response is "Just take a statin drug anyway" you've been done a great disservice. (If and when this sort of study gets done, its huge cost--outcome studies have to be large and last many years--it will likely be a statin study. It is unlikely it will include such Track Your Plaque strategies that help reduce heart scan scores, like vitamin D and correction of small LDL particles.)

2) Fears over overuse of hospital procedures triggered by heart scans. This is a legitimate concern--if the information provided by a heart scan is misused. Heart scans should never--NEVER--lead directly to heart catheterization, stents, bypass surgery. Heart scans do not change the indications for performing revascularization (angioplasty, stents, bypass). Just because 20% of my cardiology colleagues are more concerned with profit rather than patient welfare does not invalidate the value of the test. Just because the mechanic at the local garage gouged you by replacing a carburetor for $800 when all you need was a new spark plug does not mean that we should outlaw all auto mechanics. Abuse is the fault of the abuser, not of the tool used to exercise the abuse.


All in all, while I am not a fan of legislating behavior in healthcare, the blatant and extreme ignorance of this simple tool for uncovering hidden heart disease makes the Texas action a huge success for heart disease prevention. I hope that this success will raise awareness, not just in Texas, but in other states and cities in which similar systemic neglect is the rule.

Remember: CT heart scans are tools for prevention, not to uncover "need" for procedures. They serve as a starting point to decide whether or not an intensive program of prevention is in order, and I don't mean statin vs. no statin.

Though not a multi-million dollar statin drug study, I have NEVER seen a heart attack or "need" for procedure in any person who has stopped progression or reduced their heart scan score. A small cohort from my practice was reported:

Effect of a Combined Therapeutic Approach of Intensive Lipid Management, Omega-3 Fatty Acid Supplementation, and Increased Serum 25 (OH) Vitamin D on Coronary Calcium Scores in Asymptomatic Adults.

Davis W, Rockway S, Kwasny M.

The impact of intensive lipid management, omega-3 fatty acid, and vitamin D3 supplementation on atherosclerotic plaque was assessed through serial computed tomography coronary calcium scoring (CCS). Low-density lipoprotein cholesterol reduction with statin therapy has not been shown to reduce or slow progression of serial CCS in several recent studies, casting doubt on the usefulness of this approach for tracking atherosclerotic progression. In an open-label study, 45 male and female subjects with CCS of >/= 50 without symptoms of heart disease were treated with statin therapy, niacin, and omega-3 fatty acid supplementation to achieve low-density lipoprotein cholesterol and triglycerides /=60 mg/dL; and vitamin D3 supplementation to achieve serum levels of >/=50 ng/mL 25(OH) vitamin D, in addition to diet advice. Lipid profiles of subjects were significantly changed as follows: total cholesterol -24%, low-density lipoprotein -41%; triglycerides -42%, high-density lipoprotein +19%, and mean serum 25(OH) vitamin D levels +83%. After a mean of 18 months, 20 subjects experienced decrease in CCS with mean change of -14.5% (range 0% to -64%); 22 subjects experienced no change or slow annual rate of CCS increase of +12% (range 1%-29%). Only 3 subjects experienced annual CCS progression exceeding 29% (44%-71%). Despite wide variation in response, substantial reduction of CCS was achieved in 44% of subjects and slowed plaque growth in 49% of the subjects applying a broad treatment program.

Sleep: A to Zzzzzzzzzz

Take a look at the results from the Heart Scan Blog's most recent reader poll (399 respondents):

How many hours do you sleep per night (on average)?


9 or more hours per night
15 (3.7%)

8-9 hours per night
72 (18%)

7-8 hours per night
152 (38.1%)

6-7 hours per night
111 (27.8%)

5-6 hours per night
38 (9.5%)

Less than 5 hours per night
11 (2.8%)


Like many issues in health, too much or too little of a good thing can present undesirable consequences.

Too much sleep: While psychologists and sleep researchers advise us that at least 9 hours are required to fully eliminate sleep "debt" and achieve optimal vigilance and mental performance, epidemiologic studies have shown increased mortality with this quantity of sleep.

Too little sleep: Getting less than 7 hours habituallly increases blood sugar, appetite, inflammatory measures, and encourages weight gain. Mortality is also increased, just as with sleeping too much. It is also associated with increased likelihood of a positive heart scan score.

7-8 hours per night from a health viewpoint is that Goldlilocks "just right" value: just enough to not erode mental performance substantially, but not so little that inflammatory, insulin-disrupting, and appetite-increasing effects develop.

Of our 399 respondents in the poll, 56.1% (38% + 18%) slept what appears to be an optimal amount for health. While only 3.7% slept too much (9 hours or more), the remaining 40.1% slept too little.

Our informal poll confirms what most of us observe in everyday life: The majority of people shortchange sleep in order to meet the demands of their high-pressure, squeeze-as-much-as-possible-into-every-day lives. But not paying off your sleep "debt" is like not paying the mortgage for a couple of months. You wouldn't expect your friendly neighborhood bank to say, "Oh, you forgot to pay your mortgage? Forget about it. Just pay next month's." Sure, fat chance. But if you don't pay off your sleep "debt," you will pay it back with health.
T3 for accelerating weight loss

T3 for accelerating weight loss

Supplementation of the thyroid hormone, T3, is an underappreciated means to lose weight.

Thyroid health, in general, is extremely important for weight control, since even subtle low thyroid hormone levels can result in weight gain. The first step in achieving thyroid health is to be sure you are obtaining sufficient iodine. (See Iodine deficiency is real and Healthy people are the most iodine deficient) But, after iodine replacement has been undertaken, the next step is to consider your T3 status.

I've seen T3 ignite weight loss or boost someone out of a weight loss "plateau" many times.

Endocrinologists cringe at this notion of using T3. They claim that you will develop atrial fibrillation (an abnormal heart rhythm) and osteoporosis by doing this. I have yet to see this happen.

Adding T3 revs up metabolic rate at low doses. The idea is to push free T3 hormone levels to the upper limit of normal, but not to the hyperthyroid range. While an occasional person feels a little "hyper" like they've had a pot of coffee, most people just feel energized, clear-headed, and happier. And weight trends down much more readily.

Taking T3 by itself with no effort at weight loss generally yields only a modest weight reduction. However, T3 added to other weight reducing efforts, such as wheat elimination and exercise, accelerates the weight loss effect considerably. 5 lbs lost will likely be more like 8 to 10 lbs lost; 10 lbs lost will likely be more like 15 to 20 lbs, etc.

It's also my suspicion that more and more people are developing a selective impairment of T3, making it all the more important. I believe that you and I are being exposed to something (perchlorates, bisphenol A, perflurooctanoic acid, and others?) that may be impairing the 5'-deiodinase enzyme that converts the T4 thyroid hormone to the active T3. Relative lack of T3 leads to slowed metabolism, weight gain, and depressed mood. While avoiding or removing the toxin impairing 5'-deiodinase would be ideal, until we find out how to do this, taking T3 is a second best.

The tough part: Finding a prescriber for your T3.

Comments (57) -

  • Ellen

    4/24/2010 9:15:07 PM |

    How much would one need to take to achieve this?

  • David

    4/25/2010 3:02:18 AM |

    Mercury interferes with 5'-deiodinase and is often an under-appreciated factor.

  • Myron

    4/25/2010 3:12:56 AM |

    I live in Hawaii where I believe there exists a subtle thyroid or metabolic down regulation as an adaptive compensation for the constant warm ambient temperature.
    Cold adaption is known to enhance metabolism to keep warm.  The body seems to either be in a phase of maintaining body warmth, warming up by enhancing metabolism  [brown fat, shivering] or tending to cool down by down regulating metabolism to be more able to dissipate heat, not overheating.   This concept is supported by the extreme cold sensitivity seen when the temperature drops below 70 degrees F.

  • Jenny

    4/25/2010 1:35:40 PM |

    "The tough part: Finding a prescriber for your T3."

    My doctor refuses to do anything since my TSH level is "normal" despite the additional symptoms I've told her... says I'm being hypochondriac, yet has no problems prescribing statins and other useless and expensive drugs that I don't need..

    So, what does you do if your doc won't prescribe or even test correctly, and other local docs are not accepting any more patients, and it particularly doesn't matter who you go to anyway, as you have no insurance?

  • Valtsu

    4/25/2010 1:40:07 PM |

    Hi Dr. Davis! About iodine:

    What do you think about Ray Peat's comment? ( http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/ray-peat.htm )

    "Mary Shomon: Do you think the majority of people with hypothyroidism get too much or too little iodine? Should people with hypothyroidism add more iodine, like kelp, seaweeds, etc.?

    Dr. Ray Peat: 30 years ago, it was found that people in the US were getting about ten times more iodine than they needed. In the mountains of Mexico and in the Andes, and in a few other remote places, iodine deficiency still exists. Kelp and other sources of excess iodine can suppress the thyroid, so they definitely shouldn't be used to treat hypothyroidism."

    Strange guy... If I understand what he's writing, he tells that all the PUFA (fish oil also) is toxic, that we shouldn't consume protein containing much tryptophan and cysteine and that high serotonin causes problems... And that fructose isn't bad.

    He keeps telling strange things but usually with very long reference lists... Strange o_O

  • susie1688

    4/25/2010 4:48:44 PM |

    Is there an OTC T3 supplement? Would the product Atomidine work?
    As Always - Thank you!

  • Tonya M

    4/25/2010 5:12:46 PM |

    Dr. Davis,

    Does kelp help boost thyroid?  I would love to find a doctor like you in my neck of the woods.

    Thanks for a great blog,
    Tonya

  • Dr. William Davis

    4/25/2010 5:50:04 PM |

    I remain undecided on what the ideal dose of iodine should be. While I am personally "experimenting" with a 12,500 microgram per day preparation, I generally suggest 500-1000 mcg per day. I suggest kelp because it provides a mixture of iodine forms.

    For T3, the dose depends on your level, sensitivity, and perhaps your level of reverse T3. I usually have people start 10-12.5 mcg per day, since this is how it comes. Alternatively, T3 can be part of an Armour or Naturethroid type preparation, now that they are back on the market.

  • Anonymous

    4/25/2010 9:59:04 PM |

    Concerning the appropriate level of T3 supplementation, my own endocrinologist, Dr. Kenneth Blanchard, has more experience with T3 than almost any other physician I'd imagine (that's one of the reasons I chose him). I'd suggest to Dr. Davis and anyone else interested to read his book if you have not already done so:

    http://www.amazon.com/What-Your-Doctor-About-Hypothyroidism/dp/0446690619/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1272227891&sr=8-1

    In his book, he suggests what most doctors using T3 would consider a very low dose: approximately 2% of the hypothyroid patient's T4 dose (by contrast, Armour Thyroid contains, I believe, more like 20% T3). Since then, he has concluded from experience with how patients feel that the optimal dose tends be even lower, approximately 1.5% of the T4 dose. But he says it does seem to vary quite a bit from person to person.

    He generally uses compounded, time-release thyroid extract (Armour), or sometimes synthetic T3, formulated to provide the desired T3 dose. He has found most people do better using the extract, presumably because of T2 and/or other compounds present.

    He has a new book coming out soon which will explain his methods in greater detail after treating thousands of hypothyroid patients with combined T4/T3 therapy.

    By the way, I recently started experimenting with seaweed consumption and have been able to reduce my T4 dose by >30%, which is apparently highly unusual. I am now (with the help of a holistic physician) experimenting with pharmaceutical iodine supplements (Iodoral, 12.5 mg per day) to see if further progress can be made. Dr. Guy Abraham and a few other doctors who believe in high dose iodine supplementation often use even higher doses, 50 mg or more, but only with regular lab monitoring, most importantly a 24 hour urine iodine loading test.

  • rhc

    4/25/2010 10:22:26 PM |

    My organic Egg-land's Best Eggs list "iodine" 40% per egg. I was very surprised to see this since most eggs don't mention iodine. I love eggs (unfortunately have no access to free running eggs but switch among the organic ones) and easily eat 2 a day - sometimes more. Do you consider this another good and safe alternative source?

  • Heather

    4/25/2010 10:45:40 PM |

    Is there a list of docs who would be willing to prescribe T3? I think Dr. Blanchard is in my area, but from my understanding, he does not take insurance, so the cost is prohibitive.

  • Ailu

    4/26/2010 1:14:16 AM |

    My hubby is using a OTC dessicated thyroid supplement as a replacement, since his tests are in "normal" range but his body temp is very low (96) and he gains weight easily on the slightest bit of carbs.  So we decided to try it, given all we've heard.  It has really made a difference in him, he has energy when he used to be sluggish, and his weight holds steady when he takes it. Does this have the "T3" you are referring to?

  • Anonymous

    4/26/2010 2:39:24 AM |

    I started 5 micrograms synthetic T3 about a month ago.  My hypo symptoms are slightly better, but I am disappointed. I expected more improvement.

    I was experimenting with iodine drops prior to starting T3. I titrated up from 500 micrograms to 12 milligrams/day over 2 months and then ordered Iodoral. I decided not take it due to the new T3 prescription as I did not want to start 2 new therapies at once. Do you think I should start Iodoral now or wait longer?

    I recently read on STTM [http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ferritin/] that ferretin levels should be greater than 50 for adequate T4 -> T3 conversion. My level was 11 (considered normal by the lab). I am considering an iron supplement for 3 months.

  • Ellen

    4/26/2010 9:22:09 AM |

    Yeah, a friend of mine saw Dr. Blanchard.. did not have much luck with him. He's too conservative.

  • Anonymous

    4/26/2010 2:22:00 PM |

    I have struggled with weight loss since my 20's
    T3 sounds great to aid in  weight loss.
    I would be interested to hear what people think about optimizing thyroid with lower insulin levels.
    since low carb diet=low insulin diet
    How about discussing Metformin for insulin control for a synergistic effect for weight loss. There is some interesting research using this med in non diabetics.

  • Anonymous

    4/26/2010 4:43:17 PM |

    People can check out the doctor finder feature upon Armour's website, if they are seeking a doctor who may prescribe T3.

    Once concern I have regarding supplementing T3 regards longevity, as animal (and some human) studies show lower T3 in the elderly = longer lifespan.

    I'm curious if Is there any longterm longevity data in people who supplement T3 vs those who don't -- excluding those with definite thyroid disease.

  • Anonymous

    4/27/2010 12:48:51 AM |

    There are many websites and forums dedicated to treating reverse T3 hypothyroid syndrome.  The treatment is T3 only.  There are legal ways to obtain T3 without a prescription and self-treat.  I am currently taking 50mcg per day, and I have seen great improvements in hypothyroid symptoms. I did, by the way, try the traditional route first and was told by different doctors that my thyroid levels were all "normal" despite increasing fatigue and low body temperatures.  Now my temperatures are up to 98.6 average and I feel SO much better.

  • Dr. William Davis

    4/27/2010 1:28:54 AM |

    Anonymous--

    Can you tell us more about how you got the T3 without a prescription?

    (Remember: This is anonymous. I'm not tracking your IP address or anything.)

  • Anonymous

    4/27/2010 2:06:51 AM |

    Dr. Davis-

    I originally found the information about how to treat T3 from two websites that were mentioned in the comments section of Dr. Eades' blog:

    www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/
    www.thyroid-rt3.com/

    There is a forum affiliated with the second website that you can find at the bottom of the page.  If you join this forum, you can find sources for T3.  There is absolutely no cost to joining the forum, and nothing is asked of you.  The moderators are just regular people who have been through the medical maze and come up with a protocol that works for them.  

    The focus of this forum is not taking T3 for weight loss, but using it to heal a damaged thyroid.  The ultimate goal for many (myself included) is to restore a normal metabolism and come off of T3.

  • Lose weight

    4/29/2010 2:18:22 AM |

    After moving to Hilo, Hawaii my foot pain episodes occurred more frequently. I learned that lots of people in Hilo had similar symptoms and they told me it was gout. After researching the ailment, I was convinced my painful foot episodes were the result of gout attacks and not due to me being flat footed. Just to be sure, I had a blood test which confirmed that I had high levels of euric acid in my blood.Gout is caused by high levels of euric acid in the blood that forms crystals, usually in or near joints. Feet and hands are the most common place that the crystals form and in my case, they formed next to my big toe making walking nearly impossible. The long thin crystals act like needles and cut into the tissue and bone so that even touching the spot can cause intense pain. Since euric acid is not very soluble in water, it is hard to get the crystals to dissolve. Repeated attacks can cause long term damage to the joints and tissue.

  • Anonymous

    4/29/2010 5:38:56 PM |

    Can 7-keto help this? I have Hashi's, am iodine sensitive - I can't take a multi-vitamin with iodine because it causes my thyroid to swell. My T3 totals are low (102, 109, etc. in a range of 76-181). I'm having an extremely difficult time losing the 22 pounds I put on since this started 2 years ago. I am on synthroid but my doctor won't prescribe any T3. I've read that 7-keto will help but not increase the T3 out of range. I'm too scared to self-treat!

  • scall0way

    5/1/2010 10:54:36 PM |

    Yeah, finding a prescriber is the hard part. I've talked to a few doctors. Every single one is *totally opposed* to any sort of treatment other than Synthroid and its clones.

  • David M Gordon

    5/5/2010 2:55:02 PM |

    I asked a research pathologist friend about your notions re T3, etc. He replies...

    "Several problems, although superficially it all makes sense.
    1. I likely am incorrect, but T3 is available only as an iv injectable (in UK, Australia). Furthermore, it is short acting, so theoretically you might need more than one injection/day.
    2. T4 (thyroxine) or T3 bind to proteins in blood (99%) and only a small amount (<1%) is the free T3, which is the biologically active hormone. The bound and the free form are in equilibrium with each other. So if you take T3 or T4, it will go and bind to proteins (ie, inactive), and only a small constant amount of free hormone is available for action.
    3. T4 converts to T3 (via deiodination), so why not take the cheaper T4?
    4. T3/T4 therapy might work for a short while, but then your body will become used to it and endogenous hormones will be secreted in lesser amounts, so that the final amount of free hormone available to you will be more or less what you secrete now. This is because of something known as "feedback inhibition", ie high levels of T3/T4 will reduce the secretion of TSH, which will reduce endogenous T3/T4 secretion.
    5. You could, of course, overpower the body's feedback inhibition loop, by taking excess amounts of hormones, but then you will stress your heart etc. There is a theory which says everyone is born with a given number of heart beats (similar to the idea that women have a given number of ova), you can use your quota pretty quickly with excess T3. Reduction of weight will occur, but at a price.
    6. There is a lot of deiodinase in the body, the only time there is not enough is when someone is sick or has liver disease, but its not a consideration for most people.

    So yes, it might prove difficult to find a prescriber..."

    As always, I appreciate your blog and its included insights. Thank you!

  • Dr. William Davis

    5/5/2010 3:14:37 PM |

    Hi, David--

    I think your research pathologist friend should probably stick to researching pathology.

    I take oral T3 as liothyronine, since it was temporarily out of supply as Armour or Naturethroid.

    Perhaps he is relying on a textbook copyrighted 1984.

  • David M Gordon

    5/5/2010 5:26:38 PM |

    Thank you, Dr Davis

    Over the course of a few weeks recently, I read all your posts on this site. You offer a heck of a lot of excellent information. I appreciate that you repeat many topics; e.g., niacin, its attendant flush, and how to deal with it.

    I also appreciate that you are on the leading, but not bleeding, edge on health topics. An example: my doctor  bemoaned the sorry state of my D3 level and I was befuddled: "But I ingest 1500IU/day!" She suggested an endocrinologist... and THEN I read your post re tablet D3 vs gel capsule. I corrected my error immediately, and now I cannot wait to re-test my D3 level.

    Which brings me to my question. After reading all your posts, I find that you do not collate all your recommendations into one post or FAQ. Such an item would be helpful for all your readers. Which specific lab tests should I, or any reader, request?

    And returning to this post, I assume no doctor will prescribe T3 -- without first testing your thyroid levels. Whether high, low, or perfect, what is the appropriate dosage of T3 to achieve the results you indicate?

    Thank you!

  • jpatti

    5/7/2010 6:40:10 AM |

    Anonymous is correct that http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/ is a very good resource.  There is a Yahoo! group associated with that web site for rT3 problems specifically and an associated group for adrenal issues.  

    I have an rT3 problem.  I've done very well on 100 mcg T3 per day and no T4 at all.  This was after getting cortisol sorted out and it took several months to titrate to my current dose.  

    By temperature, bp and pulse, this is an appropriate dose for me.  And yes, I have lost weight on it, without really trying - as when disabled, weight loss is pretty low on the list of priorities.  I lost 17 lbs the first two months, and have no idea since then as I don't have a scale.  

    It's not FOR weight loss.  It certainly helps weight loss, as trying to lose when low on T3 is an uphill battle.  But I don't think it's appropriate to say it's FOR weight loss.  T3 is for treating hypothyroidism... and IMNSHO, no other use is appropriate.

    That being said, I have a much looser definition of hypothyroidism than most doctors.  Most people feel best and achieve normal temperatures with FT3 near or just over the top of the range if on both T3 and T4 as with natural thyroid; those on T3 only tend to do best at quite a bit over the FT3 range (you need more T3 when T4 is totally suppressed as when treating rT3).  

    Where Anonymous is a bit off is the legality of self-treatment.  It's a fuzzy area.

    Self-treatment can be done, as it's legal to import 3 months of medications from an international pharmacy for personal use.  Some of these pharmacies do not require a script, and no one from customs shows up at your house to doublecheck your prescription.  

    But I think it's overstating a bit to say it's entirely legal.  It seems the assumption is you're importing stuff you have a script for; that this isn't enforced and self-treatment is possible doesn't mean it's entirely legal.

    However, it's certainly not near insurmountable if you don't have a good doctor and don't mind bending the law a bit.

    The NTH Yahoo! groups are very good sources of advice for those interested in self-treating.  

    But it is not about just ordering some meds, I seriously doubt a moderator on any of the groups would tell you where to get even an aspirin without asking you for your labwork first.  

    Hormones are serious stuff and while correcting imbalances is definitely necessary to health,  it's not something you do just to drop a few pounds more easily.

  • P. Hentermine

    5/26/2010 5:24:36 PM |

    How about discussing Met forming for insulin control for a synergistic effect for weight loss. There is some interesting research using this med in non diabetics.

  • Anonymous

    6/1/2010 6:50:05 AM |

    That T3 is so easy to get a hold of. Ive been taking it w/o a prescription for years for weight loss. Ive gone up to as much as 125mcg a day for 6 weeks of T3 for weight loss, you loose alot of muscle going that high too. I have foud that ramping off very slowly also allows your normal thyroid level to recover faster too. Always remember to "pyrmid" when using this stuff. It allows your body to adapt to it w/o shock and come off easily with no thyroid damage aswell. You wouldnt wanna be using this stuff for life now would you!

    Here a little example of how i used it during the 6 weeks for weight loss-

    25/25/25/25/25/50/50/50/50/50/75/75/75/75/75/100/100/100/100/100/75/75/75/75/75/50/50/50/50/50/37.5/37.5/37.5/37.5/37.5/25/25/25/25/25/12.5/12.5/

    Each margin represents a day. The tabs are dosed at 25mcg each.

    Dr. drugs are so easy to get a hold of now a days, a child could order meth over the internet if he knew how. Why do all you "Dr's" fail to realize that? The internet can teach you anything.

    Here are a list of sites in which you can order T3. YES with out a prescription, T4 too even if you wanted too..

    www.musle-man.com
    www.rxhealthdrugs.com
    www.spiropenttabs.com
    and alot more..

    And here are a list of forum boards filled with experienced body builders and trainers who can tell you how to successfully and safely use these hormones and steroids to achieve your goals.

    www.elitefitness.com
    www.anabolicminds.com
    www.bodybuilding.com
    and a whole lot more.
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  • Anonymous

    7/24/2010 6:52:33 AM |

    I have been taking T3 for over two yrs and there is no weight loss benefits. I was on 120mcg per day and I started to develop heart palpitations and my face looked swollen. I don't think any one should be taking T3 for weight loss because it can also make you Extra hungry when taken with other meds.

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  • Helena

    12/2/2010 11:50:33 PM |

    I'm a little lost... I have been walking around thinking that I have a bad thyroid with me gaining so much weight (15-20 lbs in the last 15 months)and I have a morning temp of around 96.6 F; and then today I get my test results back:

    TSH 0.32
    T4 FREE 1.4
    (Levels that point for 'Subclinical Hyperthyroididm")
    Do I stop taking Kelp supplement?
    I was taking between 150-450 mcg per day for about 1 year.

    Also found that my A1c was at 5.7% (slightly high)

    B12 borderline low

    HDL 46 (low)
    LDL 139 (high)
    TriG 226 (high)

    And on top of that my Vitamin D has dropped from 78 last year to 40!!!

    What the heck happened? Could this be related to taking synthetic hormones (birth control pill) for 11 years? (Stopped 14 months ago) Or is it just me hitting the big 30??!

    Help!

  • Anonymous

    12/11/2010 2:58:02 PM |

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    1/27/2011 4:50:50 PM |

    T3 or any form of Thyroid medicine just for weight loss is highly dangerous. I have been doing this for over a year, starting with T4 and now mixing the two (worried about RT3). Unfortunately I am suffering severe side effects, angina, breathlessness, atrial fibrillation arrhythmia and many other things, i am too scared to come off them but I have and am doing my body alot of damage, which could be fatal (I should never had started). My advise is to only take the hormones via a doctor and only if you suffer from hypo.  

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  • Anonymous

    2/5/2011 6:13:58 AM |

    I have taken both Clen, Anavar and T-3. I have seen moderate results with clen, extreme muscle mass gain with anavar, and the most leaning out and weight loss with the t-3. My only concern was that it took 4-5 months taking t-3 to lose 15 pounds and I was taking what I thought was the maximum. How can I lose 20 lbs of fat in 2-3 months and still maintain muscle? Should I switch to anavar from clen when I notice muscle loss?

  • Anonymous

    2/5/2011 6:30:15 AM |

    Last post above by a 31 year old female that works out, eats right and wants to go from about 20% body fat down to 10% by April/May. I use to be a fitness model and have been off t-3 now for about a year, but still cycle clen. I hear alldaychemist is a good site.

  • robrob

    2/5/2011 7:02:24 PM |

    I was under the impression that t4 gets converted to t3 what at the liver or cellular level? if your insulin resistant (or suffering from what some term the famine feast cycle from a history of reduced caloire diets or poor quality diets) you not converting to t3 or are t3 resistant you can be leptin resistance and insulin resistant you can be thyroid resistant to.


    I would think one would need to get at the root of the problem, rather than treat the symptom, it could be caused by some chronic nutritional deficiency, regardless of cause, as long as your on the famine feast cycle (look it up) you will not lose weight permanently. nor cure metabolic syndrome or low thyroid that has no known cause.

    there is a strong genetic compeonent I think some call it the thrifty gene, I call it the survival instinct myself which encompases more than just energy in and out.it encompases all metabolism, reactions to enviromental changes mental and physical adaptations and what not.

    and I wouldn't be surprised if the real culprit for hypo or hyper thyroid for those not suffering a weight problem or metabolic synrdome is due to malnuturtion as well like vita d, cal, vita k, a, magnesium and other minerals defiencies.

    these control the immune system dont they? maybe the genetic component is that your unable to absorb them as well and need to over compensate via taking in excess via foods.

    but then I wonder about how nutritious our food really is. sure maybe the toxic enviroment may play a role like increasing the nutrient needs of the body in order to detoxify them. but I don't believe they directly cause a problem. everyone has these toxins in ther bodies in usa, but not everyone suffers health problems from it.

    could be their genetic and nutritional status that determines that. but the only thing I know who takes t3 are those who suffer wilsons syndrome, stress induced reduction tha doesn't resolve itself after the stressor has past.

    and then they only take it for a short time to get the body back into balance not as a weight loss tool.

  • Anonymous

    2/9/2011 1:27:55 AM |

    Can you use T3 for weight loss w/o losing muscle?  I have a prescription for 10 mcg a day that I haven't been taking, so I can start ramping up a bit.

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  • Michelle

    7/7/2011 3:40:06 PM |

    I am on t-3/t-4 therapy for hypothyroidsim.   T-3 was added a month ago and although I feel better than I have in the past 3 years, I have had NO WEIGHTLOSS!!!  I am an active female and eat well, I bike 15 miles daily.  Confused as to why I am not seeing any results....

  • Robert

    10/2/2011 12:32:59 AM |

    I was just diagnosed with hypothyroidism. My TSH was 5.4. Which is high on both the old and new scale. I weigh 384 lbs., do not sleep well, have swollen legs, and am sluggish and tired. I can loose weight when I eat right and exercise. My blood pressure and sugar are normal. I am also going for a sleep test for sleep apnea next week. Also just for info I had a ct scan just before my blood test and they did give me the contrast, (iodine). My doctor put me on t4,  25mcg per day. (levo) At the beginning of the year I started a diet and lost 50lbs in about 6 months. Then kinda got off the wagon and gained all my weight back. I was in the hospital a couple years ago and the doctors told me my sodium & potasium was really really low. Also I have access to cynomel. I am afraid to start the t4. And have some questions:
    1. Is 5.4 that high for TSH? 2. What could have caused this to be so high? From everything I read it looks to me like 5.4 is very high. Why then would my doctor only put me on 25mcg? Everything I read says most people are on 75 to 125 mcg per day and their TSH is much lower than mine. 3. Should I ask my doctor to prescribe t3 also? If he will not should I start my own that I have access to? If so I would start very low dose say around 12.5 mcg along with my 25mcg of t4. 4. Could the ct scan caused my TSH to be high? Could having low sodium and potasium cause my TSH to be high? 5. Should I have another test done? Also have my t3 & t4 levels checked this time? He did not do those test the first time. I am afraid because I cannot gain any more weight! I am maxed out! My body cannot take any more. And just five pounds would be really bad. I do not want to take the t4 alone if there is any chance that I might gain additional weight. 6. One more question, is there anyway I can get my thyroid back to normal with out taking a bunch of medication? Like eating right, exercising, loosing weight. Or is the high TSH causing the weight gain? Because my diet is terrible.

    Thank you.















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  • Dr. William Davis

    10/2/2011 2:37:56 PM |

    Hi, Robert--

    Iodine is the only way to restore thyroid function; since you got iodine-containing x-ray dye recently, it seems unlikely that iodine deficiency is at the root of it.

    My personal view is that very few people should take T4 without T3--people feel better, are happier, lose weight much more effectively. The problem: the endocrinology and primary care community will fight you tooth and nail. This may sound cynical, but I attribute this to the fact that much thyroid "education" comes from the sexy sales rep who was hawking Synthroid.

    Your T4 dose is low because it is wise to start gradually, else you can get hyperthyroid symptoms. Your TSH, by the way, is indeed in the hypothyroid range, sufficient to account for substantial health problems, including weight gain and heart disease.

  • Eliu

    10/30/2011 10:53:31 PM |

    Jenny i have found an offshore supplier from turkey of T3 (Tri-lodothyronine)  & T4 (thyroxine) i personally have bought T3 & T4 and it is Amazing, the medication manufacturer is Bitiron which are notorious for quality, Bitiron combines both T3 & T4 into one 62.5mcg (Microgram) pill, yielding 50mcg of T4 and 12.5mcg of T3, each box of 100 pill are $22, i have personally bought it and recieved within 10 days and shipping is free, they deliver through USPS and accept paypal payments for a more secure peace of mind, they also sell T3 alone, T4 is generally much weaker than T3 so usually people wont consider it for weigh loss, but what many dont know is that T4 serves as a shuttle for T3...A Normal male will intake 50mcg of T3 up to 100mcg of T3 anymore can cause hyperthyroidism which isnt healthy, i estimate a female should never excede 50mcg of T3, so taking 2 daily will yield 100mcg of T4 and 25mcg of T3 which i believe is a healthy dose for a female, when you take this medication you should always do a pyramid cycle this is where you start off with half a tab, after a week increase to one tab, after 2 weeks increase to 1.5 tabs and after 2 weeks increase to 2 tabs, and keep it steady at that rate for a while then down to 1.5 tabs for 2 weeks and 1 tab for 2 weeks then half a tab for 1 week, i suggest yout take Iodine and L-Tyrosine (Amino Acid) pill after you are finished to help the body naturally produce natural Thyroid hormones once again, NEVER stop taking the pill in the middle of the regiment and NEVER skip a dose.. please do further research to learn more about Thyroid hormone control and its weight loss benefits before doing any regiment.
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  • James

    11/9/2011 7:26:16 PM |

    T3 is an excellent supplement for weight loss.  I have used this in a prescription capacity and had great results.  Some sites sell this as a "research chemical".  I have a blog that discusses research chemicals however we do not sell them.  

    Great article on T3 for weight loss.  You are actually the first result on Google for that term.  That is how I found you...

    Thanks

  • Lisa

    12/15/2011 1:23:26 AM |

    Dr Davis,
    1)  My thyroid was radiated twice due to Graves disease 15 years ago.  Since my thyroid is no longer functioning, would there be any benefit to taking iodine along with my synthroid and T3?  
    And
    2) With the Graves disease, I developed thyroid eye disease, pretibia myxedema and Acropachy. Will taking T3 effect or aggravate those conditions?

    Thank you,
    Lisa

  • Wendy

    12/25/2011 9:27:50 PM |

    Dr. Davis, I envy your patients!  I'm a post meno-hell 56 year old female who, until five years ago, has always been thin; underweight according to all height-weight charts.  Over the last 4-5 years I've gone from 110 lbs. to nearly 150!  I've always been able to cut back on intake and weight would fall off; now a normal for me day's intake is a chicken breast or fish fillet/day and a cup of hot chocolate at bedtime (skim milk).  Sure, I realize that as we age we tend to gain weight but this is way over the top and unhealthy.  I've also been suffering from virtually all hypo symptoms except no difficulty conceiving and problem periods (for obvious reasons).  I've been unemployed for years and have no health insurance so obtaining medical care is virtually impossible.  Around 2 years ago I went to a low cost clinic; they said my thyroid numbers were within normal ranges but didn't give me the numbers.  They did send my cholesterol number, OVER 300, with instructions about diet and exercise.  Not exactly news, duh.  When the lbs. really began coming I began walking/jogging 2-3 miles/day, zero weight loss.  I'm sick of freezing feet!  I was stumped about why the corners of my eyebrows have disappeared until I began researching hypo.  I've been on nearly antidepressant known to man.  I finally located a free clinic last spring.  The first Dr. I saw ordered lab work and said if it wasn't definitive he would refer me to an endo.  Drs. at the clinic rotate once/year.  When I returned I saw a different Dr.  He insisted my lab work was normal but, to shut me up, he put me on 25 mcg. of Levo.  After 3 days I felt great but it wore off within two weeks.  I returned to the clinic, the next Dr. said I'm definitely hypo and increased my dosage to 50 mcg.  He wanted to titer me up to 125.  Awesome... I thought.  No change, I was still symptomatic.  After a couple months I increased it to 75.  Despite my raging symptoms the next Dr. decreased it because my TSH was very low.  He's a resident and will be a regular at the clinic until he's finished with his residency.  And, on each visit my weight has steadily increased.  The next time I went in, my most recent visit, my weight had increased at an alarming rate.  He told me to run 6 miles/day.  When I was his age I did run, I had young knees!  I'm sick of the blame the patient game.  At the rate I'm gaining weight this woman, who has always been the skinny one, is going to weigh 200 lbs.  UNACCEPTABLE.  Clearly I'm the only person concerned about my health.  I've scrimped and saved money when possible and ordered some T3 online last week.  I'd rather die than be yet another morbidly obese American at risk for Type II diabetes.  I'm sick of freezing year round.  As I type my feet are so cold they're almost numb.  I'm scheduled to return to the clinic in a few weeks.  They never give me my numbers but this time I'll DEMAND them.  I didn't learn until November that my lab work from April did, indeed, indicate that I'm hypo.  Most patients at the clinic are poor, unsophisticated, uneducated people who don't challenge the Drs.  I'm poor too but I'm a well-informed law school graduate with top-notch research skills.  Yes, lawyers lose jobs too, age discrimination is pervasive.  I don't anticipate having begun taking my self-prescribed cytomel before my upcoming appointment.  Hope springs eternal that if I do benefit from it I will eventually be able to convince one of the rotating, overall apathetic, Drs. to prescribe it.  Ordering online will quickly become financially prohibitive if it really does help.  A little cooperation from the medical professionals sure would be helpful.

  • Wendy

    12/25/2011 9:44:30 PM |

    I forgot.  I've suffered from constipation since entering my 20's.  Bad pins and needles in hands and legs; arthritis since my 20's that has become much worse over the years.  Insomnia, physicians have been throwing antidepressants at me for decades.  I've been told I have a "low normal" body temp since I was a kid.  My mom was diagnosed with hypo last year at age 82 after developing an enormous goiter.  Her Dr. said she's probably been hypo for decades even though it never showed up in her labs.  The list of why I need proper treatment soon is infinite.

  • Belinda

    1/7/2012 9:06:00 AM |

    Wendy, I read your post and I saw myself because I share both your symptoms and your experience. I gained 50 pounds in one year and cannot get it off, although people remark that I don't eat much and they don't understand why I am 184 lbs. I am fatigued all the time, I have difficulty losing weight, I have difficulty concentrating, and yes, I have cold feet (I have to wear socks to bed in the SUMMER). I have been trying to get multiple doctors to recognize that there is something wrong with my thyroid since 2007. I have been tested so often I feel like a pin cushion, and they always tell me my numbers are normal. I ordered copies of all my lab results and I can see that the numbers are going up, and I can feel that my symptoms are getting worse. I am a biochemistry student who would like to go to medical school eventually, and I cannot afford to keep listening to doctors tell me that the problem is not my thyroid when I know that it is. I was laid off from my job and spent a large chunk of my savings on an endocrinologist who insisted that my symptoms were due to a sensitivity to wheat, although I had been tested for 100 different allergens and the results all came back negative! I could not afford to continue paying him to not give me what I asked him for, which was a 1 month trial on thyroid medication. So I did it myself. I researched online, ordered T3, and gave myself a pyramid dosing schedule. I made sure I was aware of the side effects so that I would be able to recognize when to lower my dose. About a week or two after I started T3, I felt like my old self again. I had energy, I was losing weight, and I could concentrate. When I stopped taking the T3, all of my sympoms came back and I immediately put the weight I lost back on.I have been to 3 doctors since I completed my self-administered T3 trial, and I have specifically told them that the medication made me feel better, but they told me that it was because it would make anyone feel better because, as my last doctor told me, "it's like speed." However, my own research has indicated that if you are taking a dose that is unhealthy for your body, it tends to give you headaches and heart palpitations. So obviously my body responded favorably to the T3 since I did not experience those side effects. You should go to the website that the anonymous poster listed called thyroid-RT3.com to see how to pyramid dose and you should try it and see if you feel better. Then you can go back to those doctors and tell them that the T3 made you feel better and you would like to try that. Hopefully, you will get farther than I have. I am going back on T3 on my own. I would have liked to have it monitored by a medical professional but I refuse to live the rest of my life feeling like this. Right now I'm just trying to decide how long to cycle on the T3 and how long to cycle off without making my thyroid worse.

  • tess

    4/29/2013 7:44:49 PM |

    Lisa, this is way too late but....

    what a lot of nutritionists don't seem to realize is that the whole body uses iodine, not just thyroid tissue!  it is the opinion of many TRUE specialists that the RDA is way too low, also.  so unless you're a seaweed fanatic, supplementing iodine is probably a good thing -- but make sure you balance it with selenium -- the two work as a team, and people who have had problems with iodine are frequently selenium-deficient.

    good luck!

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