Hospital Administrators' Wish List

I've known enough hospital administrators over the years to understand what most of them want.

Of course, most of them want to deliver high quality care to patients in a safe, efficient setting. They want to comply with national standards of performance, attract quality physicians to use their facilities, and appeal to patients as a desirable place to obtain care.

But one fact is hard for many administrators to ignore: 30% of a hospital's revenues and 50% of their profits come from heart services.

So, if your hospital administrator had a wish list, I believe that among their wishes would be:

--More heart catheterizations, angioplasties, stents, and bypass surgery.
--More pacemaker and defibrillator implantations.
--More heart attacks.
--More heart failure with need for intravenous infusions, defibrillators, and bi-ventricular pacemaker implantations.
--More heart valve surgery.

Highly successful hospitals do more of these procedures than less successful hospitals.

Are you getting the picture? Heart care is a business. It's not very different than Target, Home Depot, or McDonalds--businesses eager to sell more of their product. Yes, there is attention to detail, quality, and competitiveness, but the bottom line is "sell more product, make more profit."

Keep this in mind the next time you catch one of the many TV or newspaper ads, radio spots, physician "interviews", or other media pitches in your town. Does Target run ads for the public good or to generate profitable sales? Does your hospital run ads to broadcast its contribution to public welfare or to generate profitable "sales"? Pretty clear, isn't it?

Poor, neglected vitamin D!

We now routinely check blood levels of vitamin D in all our patients. I am reminded everyday that, if you're a resident of a northern climate (as we are in Wisconsin and similarly in Michigan, Washington, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, etc.), the overwhelming likelihood is that you are deficient in vitamin D. And not just a little deficient, but severely deficient.

As humans, we're meant to obtain vitamin D through exposure to sunlight. This was how humans evolved. We are all ill-equipped to get vitamin D through nutritional sources. The average (Wisconsin) patient we see has vitamin D blood levels of 17-30 ng/dl. Most authorities would agree that a level of 30 ng or less would constitute severe deficiency. An ideal level is probably around 50 ng, what many (but not all) residents of southern climates like Florida, Texas, and Hawaii have if they get frequent sun exposure.

When vitamin D levels are normal, bone health is maximized (inhibiting osteoporosis); prostate, uterine, breast, and colon health is heightened and cancer risk diminished; pre-diabetic and diabetic patterns are suppressed and blood sugar reduced; blood pressure drops 10 mgHg, on average;and inflammatory measures like C-reactive protein are substantialy reduced. But, of greatest interest to us, coronary plaque is easier to regress.

Although our experience in the last several hundred people is still anecdotal, I believe that I'm seeing a dramatic increase in the amount and rapidity of coronary plaque regression. People we've struggled with are suddenly regressing. People with higher heart scan scores (e.g., >500) are regressing more readily.

We're accumulating our data and it will take a couple more years to develop it in a scientifically-useful format. But, in the meantime, adding vitamin D to your program or having your vitamin D level checked may be among the most important steps you can take to gain control over coronary plaque. Be sure to ask your doctor to get the right blood test: it must be 25-OH-vitamin D3. (The wrong test is the 1,25-OH2-vitamin D3; though they look and sound the same, they measure very different parts of the vitamin D pathway.) Also, Track Your Plaque members: read Dr. John Cannell's tremendous summary of the vitamin D experience on the Track Your Plaque website.

Leave the greatest legacy to your children

Phyllis was dumbfounded when she learned of her heart scan score of 995. At age 56, this placed her solidly in the 99th percentile--a score that grouped her with the worst 1% of scores for women her age. Track Your Plaque followers know that scores of 1000 (just days away, given the expected 30% increase in score per year!) pose a risk of heart attack, symptoms leading to stent or bypass, or death of 25% per year.

But after Phyllis gathered her thoughts and thought it over, her first question was "What about my children?"

A natural response for a mother. Phyllis' "children" actually ranged in age from 26 to 37. We talked about how, given her high score, she'd probably been creating plaque in her coronary arteries for 20 years. This triggered her mother's concern for her kids.


This is probably the #1 most useful lesson for all of us. If we learn of our own risk for heart disease, we can pass our concerns on to our children. Imagine how much more well-equipped you could be if you started out with the advice and experience of a parent who'd identified and then conquered their heart disease risk.

Pass your awareness and knowledge on to your children, particularly if they are 30 years old or more.

Interestingly, my own personal experience with my 14-year old son taught me a lesson or two. I had previously assumed that, at age 14, how could he be even remotely interested in these issues? (I have a terrible family history of heart disease and I have a high heart scan score myself.) When my son asked that we check his lipid values (I talk about this more than I'd like to admit!), we did a fingerstick lipid panel in my office. Lo and behold, his HDL (good) cholesterol was a shocking 31 mg--exceptionally low for a teenager. His risk for heart disease over the long-term is very high.

Much to my surprise, this awareness has triggered a genuine interest in healthy eating. It's not uncommon to see him examine food labels and to report to me that "Hey, Dad. Can you believe that this yogurt has 43 grams of carbohydrates?"

Pass on the lessons you've learned to your children and to the important people in your life. This is probably the most crucial lesson you can take from the Track Your Plaque experience.

Half effort will get you half results

Greg walked into the office.

"Just back from a 10-day Caribbean cruise, Doc. It was fabulous."

"Yes, but I see you're 14 lbs heavier. What happened?"

"Well, you know, a 24-hour a day open brunch. Anything and everything you wanted. But I only had dessert twice."

"Did you exercise?"

"Come on, Doc! It was vacation!"

With this serious indiscretion, Greg gained 14 lbs in 10 days. That's a total surplus of 49,000 calories Greg put in his body over that period. 49,000!

Greg had started the cruise 40 lbs overweight. Now, he's 54 lbs overweight. The pre-diabetic tendency he showed earlier was now full diabetes. All associated lipoproteins blossomed with it--small LDL, a drop in HDL of 5 points, triglycerides skyrocketing to 320.

He blew it.

Can Greg turn back? Yes, he most likely can, given a serious and rapid effort to lose the weight he gained on the cruise and more.

But can he do it? I doubt it.

Someone who allows himself to gain an extraordinary quantity of weight, completely neglects exercise, then blows it off as having some fun will never succeed.

In all honesty, this is someone who shouldn't waste his time in the Track Your Plaque program. He will fail--period. By failure I mean he will experience explosive plaque growth over the next few years and then end up with stent(s), heart attack, bypass surgery. Some people will die. He will also--should he survive--experience the long-term complications of diabetes, such as retinal disease, kidney impairment, loss of sensation to his feet and legs, and on and on. His life will be substantially abbreviated.

To me, there's no choice. But Greg and many people like him are fooling themselves if they believe that a half-hearted effort will allow them to succeed in controlling or reversing heart disease. Maybe we'll come up with some magic supplement or prescription medication that will erase his heart disease in a few days.

Don't count on it. I'll make no bones about it. Controlling and reversing heart disease requires a commitment--a full commitment to eat and live healthy, to follow the advice we give, and not engage in serious indiscretions that erode your efforts. If you believe that taking 40 mg of Lipitor is all you're going to need to regress heart disease, plan on your first stent or heart attack within a few years. And you'll hobble to the doctor's office in the meantime.

Stents, defibrillators, and other profit-making opportunities

As a practicing cardiologst, every day I receive a dozen or more magazines or newspapers targeting practicing physicians, not to mention the hundreds of letters, postcards, invitations to "talks", etc. that I receive. All of these materials share one common goal: To get the practicing cardiologist/physician to insert more of a manufacturer's stents, defibrillators, prescribe more of their drugs, etc.

This is a highly effective and profitable area. Pfizer's Lipitor, for instance, generated $12.2 billion just last year alone. This kind of money will fund an extraordinary amount of marketing.

I'm on the www.heart.org mailing list, a website for cardiologists. I'd estimate that 90% or more of their content is device-related: discussions of situations in which to insert stents, the expanding world of implantable devices, the ups and downs of various drugs. Rarely are discussions of healthy lifestyles, exercise, nutritional supplements, part of the dialogue.

How can you protect yourself from the brainwashed physician, flooded with visions of all the devices he can put in you, all the drugs that can "cure" your disease? Simple: information. Be better informed. Ask pointed questions. The idiotic lay press tells you to ask a doctor about his education. That's not generally the problem. Some of the best educated doc's I know are also the most flagrantly guilty of profiteering medicine.

Ask your doctor about his/her philosphy about the use of medications, devices, etc. If their word is God, take it or leave it, run the other way.

Will radiation kill you?

Several people have asked me lately if radiation is truly dangerous. These conversations were sparked by an editorial comment made on a column I wrote for Life Extension Magazine's April, 2006 issue on "Three ways to detect hidden heart disease".

Among the methods that were discussed in this piece was, of course, CT heart scanning. Anyone who is involved with CT heart scans Quickly recognizes the spectacular power of this test to uncover hidden, unsuspected heart disease, literally within seconds. In 2006, there's really nothing like it for the every day person to have hidden heart disease detected and precisely quantified.

Yet, the "rebuttal" to my article claimed that the broad use of heart scans was only my personal view and that, in truth, radiation kills people.

NONSENSE! If an ovarian cancer is discovered by a CT scan of the abdomen, is that unwise use of radiation? If pneumonia or lung cancer is discovered on a chest x-ray with minimal radiation exposure, have we performed a disservice. Of course not. In fact, these are often lifesaving applications of radiation.

Can radiation be used unwisely with excessive exposure? Of course. The 64 slice CT angiograms are just an example of this. Dr. Mehmet Oz announced on Oprah recently that this was a test to be used for broad screening of women for heart disease. This is wrong. The radiation required for a full 64 slice CT angiogram test is truly excessive for a screening application. You wouln't want to get breast cancer from your mammogram, would you? The radiation from a 64-slice CT angiogram is similar to that of a heart catheterization in the hospital--too much for screening. This is not to be confused with a CT heart scan for a calcium score performed on a 64 slice device. I think this can be performed with acceptable radiation exposure.

Think about what would happen, for instance, if you had your heart disease undetected, had a heart attack, and went to the hospital? During your hospitalization, you'd likely get five chest x-rays, a heart catheterization, perhaps one or more nuclear imaging tests, maybe even a full CT scan (with far more radiation than a screening heart scan). The amount of radiation of a heart scan is trivial compared to what you obtain in a hospital.

So take it all in perspective. The low level of radiation required for a simple heart scan (not an angiogram) does not by itself substantially add to your lifetime risk of radiation exposure. It may, in fact, save your life or reduce your life long exposure to radiation.

Are you using bogus supplements?

I consider nutritional supplements an important, many times a critical,part of a coronary plaque control program.

But use the wrong brand or use it in the wrong way, and you can obtain no benefit. Occasionally, you can even suffer adverse effects.

Take coenzyme Q10, for instance. (Track Your Plaque Members: A full, in-depth Special Report on coenzyme Q10 will be on the website in the next couple of weeks.) Take the wrong brand to minimize the likelihood of statin-related muscle aches, and you may find taking Lipitor, Zocor, Crestor, etc. intolerable or impossible. However, take a 100 mg preparation from a trusted manufacturer in an oil-based capsule, and you are far more likely to avoid the inevitable muscle aches. (Though, of course, consult with your doctor, for all it's worth, if you develop muscle aches on any of these prescription agents.)

Unfortunately, you and I often don't truly know for a fact if a bottle from the shelf of a health food store or drugstore is accurately labeled, pure, free of contaminants, and efficacious.

One really great service for people serious about supplements is the www.consumerlab.com website. They are a membership website (with dues very reasonable) started by a physician interested in ensuring supplement quality. Consumer Lab tests nutritional supplements to determine whether it 1) contains what the label claims, and 2) is free of contamination. (I have no reason to pitch this or any other site; it's just a great service.) They recently found a supplement with Dr. Andrew Weil's name on it to have excess quantities of lead!

What Consumer Lab does not do is determine efficacy. In other words, they do a responsible job of reporting on what clinical studies have been performed to support the use of a specific supplement. However, true claims of efficacy of supplement X to treat symptom or disease Y can only come with FDA approval. Supplements rarely will be put through the financial rigors of this process.

If you're not a serious supplement user, but just need a reliable source, we've had good experiences with:

--GNC--the national chain
--Vitamin Shoppe--also a national chain
--www.lifeextension.com or www.lef.org--A great and low-priced source, but they do charge a $75 annual membership that comes with a subscription to their magazine, Life Extension (which I frequently write for) and several free supplements that you may or may not need. Again, I'm not pitching them; they are simply a good source.
--Solgar--a major manufacturer
--Vitamin World
--Nature's Bounty
--Sundown

There are many others, as well. Unfortunately, it's only the occasional manufacturer or distributor that permits unnacceptable contamination with lead or other poisons, or inaccurately labels their supplement (e.g., contains 1000 mg of glucosamine when it really contains 200 mg). I have not come across any manufacturer/distributor who has systemtically marketed uniformly bad products.

It really helps to have someone to lean on

Among my patients are several husband and wife teams, both of whom have heart disease by some measure. Several couples, for instance, consist of a huband who's received a stent, survived a heart attack, or has some other scar of the conventional approach. The wives generally have a substantial heart scan score in the several hundred range.

There are a few couples for which the roles are reversed: wife with bypass, heart attack, etc. and husband with a substantial quantity of coronary plaque by CT heart scan.

From them all, however, I've learned the power of teamwork. When both wife and husband (or even "significant other") are committed to the effort of controlling or reversing heart disease risk, the likelihood of success is magnified many-fold. Everything is easier: shopping for and choosing foods, incorporating supplements in the budget, taking vacations with a healthy focus, following through and sticking with your program.

Several of the couples have succeeded in obtaining regression of plaque for both man and woman. Both have reduced their heart scan scores and, as a result, dramatically reduced the potential for future heart attack and procedures.

Unfortunately, I will also see the opposite situation: One spouse committed to the program but the other indifferent. They may say such things as "You can't control what happens in the future." Or, "There's no way you can get rid of risk for heart disease. My doctor says it's hereditary." Or, "I've eaten this way since I was a kid. I'm not changing now for you or for anybody else."

Such negative commentary can't help but erode your commitment to health. Most of us recognize these sorts of comments as self-fulfulling and self-defeating.

What should you do if you have an unsupportive partner? Not easy. But it really can help to seek out a supportive partner, whether it's a friend, relative, or other significant person in your life. Of course, not everybody can find such a person. Perhaps that's another way our program can help.

I'd like to hear from anyone who does obtain substantial support of someone close, or if you are struggling to do so.

Five foods that can booby trap your heart disease prevention program

There are several foods that commonly come up on people's lists of habitual foods that are truly undesirable for a heart disease prevention program. Curiously, people choose these foods because of the mis-perception that they are healthy. My patients are often shocked when I tell them that they are not healthy and are, in fact, detrimental to their program.

I'm not talking about foods that are obviously unhealthy. You know these: fried foods, greasy cheeseburgers, French fries, bacon, sausage, etc. Nearly everyone knows that the high saturated fat content, low fiber, and low nutritional value of these foods are behind heart disease, hypertension, and a variety of cancers.

I'm talking about foods that people say they eat because they view them as healthy--but they're not.

Here's the list:

1) Low-fat or non-fat salad dressings--Virtually all brands we've examined have high-fructose corn syrup as one the main ingredients. What does high fructose corn syrup do? Triggers sugar cravings, makes your triglycerides skyrocket (causing formation of abnormal lipoproteins like small LDL), and causes diabetes. The average American now ingests nearly 80 lbs of this evil sweetener per year. You're far better off with olive, canol, grapeseed, or flaxseed based salad dressings.

2) Breakfast cereals--If you've been following these discussions, you know that the majority of breakfast cereals are sugar. They may not actually contain sugar, but they contain ingredients that are converted to sugar in your body. They may be cleverly disguised as healthy--Raisin Bran, Shredded Wheat, etc.

3) Pretzels--"A low-fat snack". That's right. A low-fat snack that raises blood sugar like eating table sugar from the bowl.

4) Margarine--Forget this silly argument about which is worse, butter or margarine. Which is worse, strychnine or lead? Both are poisons to the human body. Who cares which is worse? Fortunately, there are now healthy "margarines" like Smart Balance and Benecol that lack the saturated fat or hydrogenated fat of either.

4) Bananas--Bananas are not all that intrinsically unhealthy. The problem is that people will say to me, "Oh sure, I eat fruit. Two bananas a day." What I hear is "I don't really eat fruit with high nutrient value, fiber, and reduced sugar release. I reach for only bananas which yield extreme sugar rises in my blood and are low fiber." Aren't they high in potassium? Yes, but there are better sources. Cut back if you are a banana freak.


Why the mis-perceptions? A holdover from the low-fat diet days and marketing from food manufacturers are the principal reasons. Of course, foods are meant to be enjoyed, but be informed about it. Choose foods for the right reasons, not because of some cleverly-crafted marketing campaign.

Breakfast of champions?

I spend time every day educating or reminding patients that breakfast cereals are not health foods.

I see jaws drop in shock when I tell them that, in my opinion and despite the marketing claims, Cheerios, Raisin Bran, Shredded Wheat, and the like do not yield health benefits. In fact, they do the the opposite: dramatically raise blood sugar and trigger an adverse cascade of events that eventually leads to diabetes and heart disease.

Why the health claims in advertising? Because these products contain insoluble fiber, the sort that makes your bowels regular. Yes, your bowels are important to health, too. But the benefits end there.

Breakfast cereals are a highly refined, processed food that are not good for your plaque control program. What they are is a highly profitable, multi-billion dollar business, deeply entrenched in American culture ("They'rrrre grrrrrreat!"--Tony the Tiger; "There's a whole scoop of raisins in every box of Post Raisin Bran!" Bet you remember them all.)

I find it particularly upsetting when I see the stamp of approval from the American Heart Association on some products. Gee, if the Heart Association says it's good for you, it must be true! Don't you believe it. The American Heart Association relies on corporate donations, just like any other charity.

If you must eat breakfast cereals, refer to www.glycemicindex.com for a full database of glycemic indexes. You can look up a specific product and it will list its glycemic index, or sugar-releasing properties. You should try to keep glycemic index of the foods you choose below 50.

For a revealing discussion of the influence of food marketers on our perceptions of food, see Track Your Plaque nutrition expert, Gay Riley's discussion The Marketing of Food and Diets in America at her website, www.netnutritionist.com.
Low thyroid: What to do?

Low thyroid: What to do?

I've gotten a number of requests for solutions on how to solve the low thyroid issue if either 1) your doctor refuses to discuss the issue or denies it is present, or 2) there are government mandates against thyroid correction unless certain (outdated) targets are met.

Oh, boy.

While I'm not encouraging anyone to break the laws or regulations of their country (and it's impossible to generalize, with readers of this blog originating from over 30 countries), here are some simple steps to consider that might help you in your quest to correct hypothyroidism:

--Measure your body temperature--First thing in the morning either while lying in bed or go to the bathroom and measure your oral temp. Record it and, if it is consistently lower than 97.0 degrees (Fahrenheit), show it to your doctor. This may help persuade him/her.(You can still be hypothyroid with higher temperatures, but if low temperatures are present, it is simply more persuasive evidence in favor of treatment).

--Supplement with iodine 150 mcg per day to be sure you are not iodine deficient. This is becoming more common in the U.S. as people avoid iodized salt. It is quite common outside the U.S. An easy, inexpensive preparation is kelp tablets.

--Show your doctor a recent crucial study: The HUNT Study that suggests that cardiovascular mortality begins to increase at a TSH of only 1.5 or greater, not the 5.5 mIU usually used by laboratories and doctors.

--Ask people around you whether they are aware of a health practitioner who might be willing to work with you, or at least have an open mind (sadly, an uncommon commodity).

Also, see thyroid advocate and prolific author, Mary Shomon's advice on how to find a doctor willing to work with you. Yes, they are out there, but you may have to ask a lot of friends and acquaintances, or meet and fire a lot of docs. It shouldn't be this way, but it is. It will change through public pressure and education, but not by next week.

Another helpful discussion from Mary Shomon: The TSH Normal Range: Why is there still controversy? You will read that even the endocrinologists (a peculiarly contentious group) seethingly debate what constitutes normal vs. low thyroid function.

Also, you might remind a resistant health practitioner that guidelines are guidelines--they are not laws that restrain anyone. They are simply meant to represent broad population guidelines that do not take your personal health situation into consideration.

Comments (25) -

  • P

    2/8/2009 5:24:00 PM |

    How about acupuncture and chinese medicine? Anecdotally, they will be able to help you through monitored use of chinese herbs and acupuncture.

  • Anna

    2/8/2009 5:49:00 PM |

    I'd also like to add that if one can't get good thyroid care inside an HMO network or "universal" healthcare system, it can be money well spent to go "outside" the system  for private care.  Granted, paying for non-reimbursable care isn't cheap and one has to do a lot of investigating to make sure one isn't paying for more of the same inadequate care (or worse care).  But I think too many people who can afford to pay for private care suffer needlessly by doggedly sticking to inadequate care because alternatives cause a financial dent.  But in the long run, if one can find good care even though there is added expense, it can save a tremendous amount of suffering, as well as saving money.

    When I was seeing a thyroid doc out of my HMO network, I was still able to get my lab work done by the HMO approved lab  and covered by my HMO insurance (the lab faxed the results to the out-of state doc without question), though the results did go into the computerized file at my HMO network, so was visible to any HMO doc.  And my HMO insurance Rx plan covered the conventional meds prescribed by the out-of-network doc without question (but not the compounded Rx).  Yes, it cost me a few hundred dollars a year to see the doc once year, a few telephone consults, and the non-covered compounded Rx, but it well worth it.  I was finally feeling and functioning better.

    And when I went back to my HMO eventually (mostly because of travel scheduling difficulties in seeing the out-of-state doc), I was in a better position to make a case for similar care with the HMO endo (I told him flat out I'd had trouble getting good thyroid care from primary care physicians in the HMO and so went "private" for a couple years, but wanted to find someone local in the HMO for convenience) .  He doesn't do compounded Rx, and typically prescribes only Synthroid, but he accepted that I prefered T3 with the T4 (and he "accepted" the "odd" way I adjust my T4 dose with different amounts of 50 mcg Levoxyl on different days to get an overall weekly dose that works - the 50 mcg tablet has no dyes added and he accepted that I preferred Levoxyl over Synthroid).  So for the first time with the HMO system, I feel my thyroid care is more of a team effort that includes my input, instead of being at the mercy of whatever is dished out to me.  And if the situation changes, I will promptly go outside the HMO again.

  • Nameless

    2/8/2009 6:27:00 PM |

    I would also suggest using the Armour site to look for prescriber's.  Their site has a little 'doctor finder' feature.

    It doesn't mean they'll necessarily treat you, but they tend to be more open-minded that doctors who prescribe Synthroid only.

    Most doctors won't use body temperature as a guide, by the way. And most won't treat Hashimoto's unless your TSH is >5. I know it's wrong, but that's how it is.

    Supplementing iodine may be helpful, unless you do have Hashimoto's, then it could make it worse (so you know). But you won't know you have Hashimoto's until you get your thyroid antibodies tested.

    A couple of other suggestions:

    Ask your doctor for Free T3/T4 AND thyroid antibodies. If your TSH >3 and your anitbodies are high, it really improves your odds of getting treatment. Many doctors ignore antibodies, but some do pay attention to them.

    If your TSH or antibodies are high at all, ask your doctor for a thyroid ultrasound. If the ultrasound is abnormal at all, it improves your odds of getting treatment too.

    Just going to a doctor with a TSH of 1.5-2.0 and normal T3/T4, it'd probably be close to impossible to get treatment. It really helps if you have the antibodies or ultrasound or something else to show the doctor.

  • Anonymous

    2/9/2009 6:33:00 AM |

    No person should break the law.

    However, there might be people within the arctic circle who don't have easy access to a physician who is willing to prescribe natural thyroid, including armour thyroid.

    What to do in a situation like that?

    One solution:  Find a site on the internet that provides for ordering and shipping thyroid, including Armour Thyroid, without a prescription.  There is at least one site that can be found via google that will do this.

    Warning:  There are significant dangers in supplementing thyroid without being under a doctors care.

  • Dr. William Davis

    2/9/2009 12:50:00 PM |

    Thanks, Anna.

  • Anonymous

    2/9/2009 6:13:00 PM |

    Regarding the thyroid issues Dr. Davis has been commenting on lately, and wondering why it seems so prevalent, have you considered the possibility that diet is playing a role.

    And when I say diet, it's probably not in the way you think --

    Carbohydrate restriction can lower thyroid hormone output, especially conversion of T4 to T3. Those who practice caloric restriction tend to have lower levels of T3 too.

    If Dr. Davis is seeing somewhat low, but still in 'normal' range T3/T4, with perhaps sluggish T3 levels, in patients AFTER they change to a no wheat, low carb diet, perhaps that is the reason why? Or perhaps that's why Dr. Davis' own thyroid had somewhat sluggish numbers?

    But if people all have high thyroid antibodies too, or all have crummy thyroid levels while eating tons of carbs, that wouldn't be a reason then.

    Just throwing that out there to think about.

  • Don

    2/9/2009 6:49:00 PM |

    for those who are willing to do the research and check their tsh levels then ordering online is an option. start with a low dose 15 to 30 grains and then ck your tsh. Increase dose to normnal tsh levels.  There are multiple sites for armour and synthoid that do not require a prescription. When you take this road to self medication you must realize you are toally responsible for your actions and well being. Be sure you know what you are doing
    Don

  • Anna

    2/9/2009 8:14:00 PM |

    Lately I've been giving a lot of thought to the LC packaged foods that many people turn to when they first embark on a LC diet, such as low carb breads, crackers, etc.  For me, it was LC pita bread a few years ago, before I essentially went grain-free.  These products, in addition to usually having a lot of soy in them, also have added wheat gluten, to reduce the starch and boost the protein content.  Low carb they are, and generally will help with the BG control and overall weight reduction or maintenance.

    Both gluten-containing and soy foods are relatively new foods to the human diet (only consumed since the age of agriculture) and modern industrial processing bypasses many of the steps that earlier humans took to render them safer to consume.  Soy can be a powerful thyroid inhibitor (goitrogen)  and gluten can trigger an auto-immune response in susceptible people (genetic predisposition to gluten sensitivity is much more common than previously thought, though how widespread is subject to debate).  There does seem to be a strong connection to autoimmune thyroid conditions and issues with gluten.

    So people who eat a lot of soy and gluten-enhanced LC foods might be literally be shooting themselves in the thyroid, especially those who overconsume  consume them (dieters don't ever become overzealous, do they?  Smile), instead of foods that are naturally low carb and/or have a longer history in the human diet.

  • Anonymous

    2/9/2009 8:18:00 PM |

    I think ordering prescription medication over the internet from a less than reputable pharmacy, without a prescription, is a real bad idea. And if they don't require a prescription, that pretty much automatically makes them less than reputable.

    And don't assume thyroid medications are completely benign. They can have side effects too.
    And especially in patients with heart disease. You have to be titrated slowly and need to be under a doctor's care.

  • Lou

    2/10/2009 8:28:00 AM |

    DIY Armour/NTH treatments can be troublesome. If you are suffering from adrenal fatigue, starting immediately on thyroid replacement can cause heart palpitations and other symptoms of physical and mental anxiety. If you have low cortisol and DHEA (they invariably go together), you will probably need to take a low-dose steroid and/or DHEA replacement for a month before beginning thyroid. It is best to get these things tested first, even if you have to do it on your own. I think the Stop The Thyroid Madness author has put together some lab test packages for people to get the right things tested. And when you're taking the replacement steroids and hormones, you need to keep monitoring your levels every month at first, then every three-four months once you stabilise.

    Google for the "Top Thyroid Docs" list by Mary Shomon for sympathetic doctor suggestions/review.

  • Lou

    2/10/2009 8:33:00 AM |

    I forgot to add, the thyroid books by Dr Broda Barnes are good reading, easy to understand if you're a layman too. He had one on incidence of heart disease in patients with corrected thyroid function which is very interesting. I don't recall he mentioned wheat, but he certainly believed that we should eat good old saturated fats like butter, lard, coconut, etc, to support good health and thyroid.

  • Trinkwasser

    2/10/2009 1:19:00 PM |

    Anecdotally along with the iodine I've heard a brazil nut per day suggested for the selenium. Where I live is not selenium deficient, thanks to the end of the Ice Age glaciation: this is reputed to be one reason for the longevity here. Next time I catch a doctor I'll ask if there's much thyroid disease here (they will diagnose and treat here, my TSH was 0.99 so something is working!)

  • Anonymous

    2/10/2009 1:40:00 PM |

    That iodine dose may still be too low. Remember the RDA was set at a level just to prevent goiter, not for optimal health. Check out www.breastcancerchoices.org.
    Healthy Japanese get 12.5mg (12500 mcg) of iodine per day. Probably we are all low in iodine and bromine competes for binding sites. Bromine is ubiquitous in our chemically laden environment and is used as a dough conditioner by commercial bakeries---they used to use iodine. The thyroid gets the bulk of our low iodine but it turns out that iodine is also concentrated in our gonads, adrenals and especially the breasts. Our epidemic of breast cancer and fibrocystic disease may be due to iodine deficiency.

  • Saint Patrick

    2/10/2009 5:46:00 PM |

    If you cannot get this treatment on HMO, then you should look at going private. Believe me, it is not something that you can ignore

  • Eichler

    2/10/2009 7:52:00 PM |

    Dr. Davis,

    I realize that you aren't in the business of diagnosing ailments or conditions via the internet, but I've recently experienced some hypothyroidism symptoms (low body temp. average of 96.7, fatigue, weight gain, hair loss, etc..) that my Doctor insists are unrelated to the disease.  In addition, he has also just put me on a combination of Crestor and Trilipix for an abnormally high triglyceride reading, despite this reading being a one-time fluke.

    My labs are as follows:
    TSH:       2.761
    Thyroxine (T4): 6.4

    He was not interested in doing any more thyroid testing beyond these two.

    Lipids:
    Total Cholesterol: 165
    Triglycerides:     415
    HDL:               22
    LDL:               N/A

    After a week on the Crestor (10mg) / Trilipx (135mg) combo, I was stricken with muscle aches and pains, tinnitus, popping ears, dizziness and a foggy out-of-it feeling.  After two weeks and finding your site, I discontinued the use of the two cholesterol medications against the Doctor's advice.  I've since starting taking an Omega 3-6-9 supplement three times daily along with my daily multi-vitamin.  I also take diazide/HCTZ for slightly elevated BP (130/96) and have recently begun following a strick low-carb diet and exercise routine.

    Again, I don't expect a diagnosis from you, but would appreciate if if you could voice your thoughts on the viability of me continuing to find a doctor willing to be more open minded to thyroid issues as well as pursuing more natural remedies to lipid issues.  

    Thanks for providing such a valuable resource for those of us who are getting fed up with the flawed standard of care that is currently being forced on so many people.



    My labs show the following.

  • Dr. William Davis

    2/10/2009 9:13:00 PM |

    I agree on the iodine dose question.

    The difficulty comes in trying to generate conversation through the blog for people who may or may not, for instance, have underlying Hashimoto's thyroiditis or thyroid nodules, in which case taking higher doses of iodine can trigger extreme excesses of thyroid hormone.

  • Anonymous

    2/10/2009 10:14:00 PM |

    I had been on Sythyroid for a few years but no one had ever mentioned or tested for Hashimoto's. Still feeling horrible, I found a holistic MD, and was diagnosed with Hashimoto's and started on Armour.
    Do I still have Hashimoto's or is it quiet now that I am taking a different hormone?
    The holistic said it would "kill" my thyroid and move on to another area, like adrenals.
    I did have a positive ANA for many years and tested for Lupus, RA, etc. many times. Then routine testing showed my ANA had returned to normal values.  
    Any ideas because my current endo. sure isn't forthcoming with any and doesn't/hasn't tested for antibodies.  He feels I am just hypothyroid.
    I appreciate all your information!

  • Nameless

    2/11/2009 5:20:00 AM |

    To test for Hashimoto's you need your TPO and TGAB antibodies tested. If they are above normal range, you probably have it. The definitive diagnosis is via a biopsy, but without a nodule that isn't usually done. An ultrasound is another diagnostic tool -- if your thyroid looks enlarged, nodular or all lumpy, along with antibodies, it's pretty safe to say you have Hashimoto's.

    I have never read, or heard of, Hashimoto's 'attacking' other organs after your thyroid is burnt out. That theory seems a bit out there to me.

    Antibodies can fluctuate, and with thyroid hormones usually become lower over time.  Inflammation tends to be reduces with hormones too.

  • Trinkwasser

    2/11/2009 4:13:00 PM |

    OK I caught one of our GPs yesterday, the selenium in the soil connection appears to be a non-starter. Her experience was that she found hypothyroid "quite often" predominantly in post-menopausal women and with incidence increasing with age. It's impossible to compare numbers with other areas since they actively look for the condition here and don't elsewhere. Also we have a lot of local longevity so more patients with systems wearing out purely through ageing.

  • Anna

    2/14/2009 12:27:00 AM |

    I always wonder about something I hear frequently - the issue of "soil mineral depletion".  Not that it isn't possible, but how significant is this and how widespread?  People don't generally eat "locally" produced food anymore; food supplies are distributed from all over the globe now, though agriculture is quite intense in some places, like the Central Valley of California, or cornfield in Iowa.  Wouldn't the shipping of food products all over sort of "average out" the minerals like iodine and selenium?  Or are  all the major agricultural regions of the world growing with depleted soil propped up with little more than NPK replacement?  

    I'm actually more into local, seasonal organic food than worldwide food.  LIving near the coast, presumably there is adequate iodine in the soil, but here I am, hypothyroid anyway.  Just wondering...

  • Trinkwasser

    2/15/2009 3:47:00 PM |

    Hard to tell about the soil mineral depletion thing, there are major regional variations which can show in animal diseases and require supplementation, salt licks etc. as well as human disease clusters. Deficiencies can show before "deficiency diseases"

    I trialled several different supplements but none of them made any discernible difference, probably a widely varying diet helps, plus fish, and local farmers who use high levels of organic manure and feed the soil as a whole rather than (increasingly expensive) stuff out of a bag and treat the soil as a sterile growing medium. Grass-fed rather than grain-fed meat, and game, probably helps too in picking up trace elements

    The downside of World Trade may be that while you get more trace elements from crops from different regions you are probably also getting more pesticides some of which are banned in the West

  • roaminghermit

    2/20/2009 8:35:00 PM |

    I've been doing so great after taking 1 1/2 gr nature-Throid brand of thyroid since october 08 and stopping all statins. Taking the Now D-3 at 5,000 per softgel. Now if I can just get back in the forums again....LOL   Dennis  still no 4th heart attack since 12/04

  • Laura

    3/14/2009 6:44:00 PM |

    I wish my family doctor was open to new things. I asked him about Armour thyroid he said that he has hundreds of patients on Synthroid with no problems and I don't want to start a new prescription without my family doctor knowing about it. I'm on 75mcg of Synthroid and would really like to try Armour thyroid...might have to wait until he retires (could be soon) before I see if I can get Armour..

  • Jessica

    5/8/2009 1:23:00 AM |

    Dr. Brownstein (Family physician, holistic doc in Michigan) in his book, "Iodine, Why You need it, Why You can't live without it" makes an interesting case for temporarily increased TSH (5-30mU/L higher) after correcting iodine deficiency.

    In addition to just stimulating thyroid hormone production, TSH also increases the production of the iodine transport cells (NIS). Without more NIS available, iodine couldn't enter the cells and be utilized. Therefore, increased TSH makes sense during the initial phase of iodine correction.

    As one increases their iodine consumption, they could experience this increase in TSH for as long as several months. As long as the T3 and T4 levels are normal, then the TSH elevation probably isn't a sign of hypothyroidism.

    If you haven't yet read this book, it's worth the 2 hours it took me to get through it.

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