Dr. Reinhold Vieth on vitamin D

A Track Your Plaque member brough the following webcast to our attention:

Prospects for Vitamin D Nutrition
which can be found at http://tinyurl.com/f93vl

Despite the painfully dull title, the webcast is the best summary of data on the health benefits on vitamin D that I've seen. The presenter is Dr. Reinhold Vieth, who is among the handful of worldwide authorities on vitamin D. In 1999, Dr. Vieth authored the first review to concisely and persuasively argue that vitamin D nutrition was woefully neglected and that its potential for health was enormous.
(See Vieth R, Am J Clin Nutr 1999 May;69(5):842-856 at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=10232622&query_hl=1&itool=pubmed_DocSum.)

I predict that, after viewing Dr. Vieth's hour-long discussion, you will be as convinced as I am that vitamin D is crucial for health. Unfortunately, Dr. Vieth doesn't delve into the conversation about the potential effects on heart disease, since his audience was primary interested in multiple sclerosis, a disease for which vitamin D replacement promises to have enormous possibilities. Even in 2007, the data suggesting that vitamin D has heart benefits is circumstantial. Nonetheless, from our experience, I am thoroughly convinced that, with replacement to blood levels of vitamin D to 50 ng/ml, heart scan scores drop more readily and faster.

If you view Dr. Vieth's wonderful webcast, keep in mind that when he discusses vitamin D blood levels, he's using units of nmol/l, rather than ng/ml. To convert nmol/l to ng/ml, divided by 2.5. For example, 125 nmol/l is the same as 50 ng/ml (125/2.5 = 50).

Vitamin D on Good Morning America


Positive comments about vitamin D made it to a discussion on Good Morning America today about the new and exciting developments in nutrition and "functional foods".

I'm thrilled that the media is conducting these conversations. It sure is making my job easier, not having to persuade patients that taking vitamin D is truly and hugely beneficial for health. I still have to struggle with my colleagues, who tell patients to stop the "poisonous" doses we use.

But I worry that many of the details behind vitamin D don't quite make it to the media conversation. These are crucial, make-it-or-break-it issues, such as:

--Vitamin D must be vitamin D3 or cholecalciferol, not D2 or ergocalciferol. D2 is virtually worthless. Little or none is converted to the active D3, despite the fact that D2 is the form often added to some foods.

--Vitamin D3 supplements must be oil-based capsules, or gelcaps. Tablets are so poorly or erratically absorbed that it's simply not worth the effort. (We get ours from the Vitamin Shoppe.)

--The dose should be sufficient to eliminate the phenemena of deficiency, which is around 50 ng/ml. I take 6000 units per day. Dr. John Cannell of www.vitamindcouncil.com takes 5000 units per day. I give my wife 2000 units per day (she's not as deficient as I was), each of my kids 1000 units per day, except for my 180 lb. 15 year old who takes 2000 units.

I fear that, when people hear that vitamin D packs fabulous effects for health, they will take a 400 unit tablet--nothing will happen. They will not obtain the benefits such as reduction of blood pressure and blood sugar; increased bone density, reduction of arthritis, dramatic reduction in risk for fractures; reduction in risk for colon, prostate, and breast cancer; reduction in risk for multiple sclerosis; reduction in inflammatory processes such as those evidenced by C-reactive protein; and facilitation of reduction of heart scan score.

Would you bet your life on chelation?


Hugh's heart scan score was 1751, an awful score. Recall that, at this level of scoring, Hugh's heart attack and death risk is 25% per year.

Obviously, serious efforts need to be taken. In this situation, much as I despise drug companies and what they represent and their heavy-handed ways, I'm more inclined to resort directly to prescription agents, as well as our nutritional supplements and other strategies. The price of dilly-dallying could be his death.

Hugh and his wife asked about chelation. Now, there are five studies I'm aware of that have tried to examine the value of chelation. None showed any measurable benefit, though all were rather weak in design and small in number of participants. One study, for instance, looked at whether anginal chest pains were provoked any later after chelation. Another looked at whether calf claudication, or calf cramping while walking due to artery blockages in the leg arteries, was delayed on treadmill testing after chelation. No benefit was observed: no delay in provocation of angina, no delay in provocation of claudication.

However, the adherents of chelation have been vehement enough that the NIH has funded a large, multi-center study to settle the question once and for all. Best I can tell, the study has not been contaminated by any drug company involvement. It is meant to be an unbiased, objective study of whether chelation has any value.

My personal experience in patients who underwent chelation is that, despite spending hundreds or thousands of dollars, plaque grew at the expected rate--no effect at all.

None of this constitutes proof of efficacy nor proof of lack of efficacy. We will need to await the NIH trial to have better information.

Should Hugh bet his life on chelation? I advised him strongly against it. At this point, the only reason I can see to pursue chelation would be faith--that is, expectation based not on fact, but on hope.

The powerful forces preserving the status quo


An interesting quote from the book, Critical Condition: How health care in American became big business--and bad medicine:


Politics and Profits

To protect its interests and expand its influence, the health care industrial complex has done what all successful special interests do: It's become a big donor and a high-powered lobby in Washington. In the last fifteen years, HMOs, insurers, pharmacuetical companies, hospital corporations, physicians, and other segments of the industry contributed $479 million to political campaigns--more than the energy industry ($315 million), commercial banks ($133 million), and big tobacco ($52 million). More telling is how much the health care industry spends on lobbying. It invests more than any other industry except one, according to the nonpartiisan Center for Responsive Politics. From 1997 to 2000, the most recent year for which complete data is available, the industry spent $734 million lobbying Congress and the executive branch. Only the finance, insurance, and real estate lobby exceeded that amount in the same period, with a ttoal of $823 million. In contrast, the defense industry spent $211 million--less than one-third of the health care expenditure.


These telling statistics indicate just how vigorously profit-seeking forces in heart care are trying to preserve the status quo. Hospitals want to protect their valuable procedure-driven enterprise, the pharmaceutical industry wants to protect its enormous though little-known niche of procedure-based medications (like $1200 a dose ReoPro), and the medical device industry wants to maintain the multi-billion dollar-generating machine aided and abetted by the FDA's 501k rule (that makes entry to market a breeze).

The current procedure based formula for heart disease profits so many and they are desperate to preserve it. Resistance to the deep-pocketed efforts of industry and hospitals will come from people like you and me, trying to propagate a better way.

Remember: hospital procedures for coronary disease represent the failure of prevention. They are not--any longer--successes in and of themselves.

Read a scathing insight into some of these practices by reading investigative journalists' Donald Barlett and James Steele's book, Critical Condition. I found their descriptions painfully accurate. (But don't get too angry! Remember: only optimists reverse their plaque! We need to turn the conversation in a positive direction, not just in this Blog or the Track Your Plaque website, but nationwide.)

One of the new missions for the www.cureality.com website is to help you understand just how powerful, insidious, shrewd, and pervasive the efforts to maintain the current system truly are.

Do stents prevent reversal?

I've seen this phenomenon several times now: A highly-motivated Track Your Plaque participant with a stent in one artery will do all the right things--lose weight, achieve 60:60:60 in basic lipids, identify and correct hidden lipoprotein disorders, take fish oil, correct vitamin D, etc.

Follow-up heart scan shows dramatic reduction in scoring in the two arteries without stents--30% per artery. But the artery with the stent will show marked increase in scoring above and/or below the stent. (It's impossible to tell what happens in or around the stent itself from a calcium scoring standpoint, since steel looks just like calcium on a CT heart scan.) In other words, there is marked plaque growth in the vicinity of the stent, despite the fact that dramatic reversal of atherosclerosis has occurred in other arteries without stents.

Should we take this to mean that a stent destroys the opportunity for atherosclerotic plaque reversal in the stented artery? I don't know, but I fear this may be true. What dangers does this different sort of plaque pose? Is it the result of the injury imposed at time of stent implantation, some modification of flow or biologic responses as a result of the presence of the stent?

These are all unanswered questions. But I believe that it is yet another suggestive piece of evidence that the best stent is no stent at all.

At what score should I have a heart cath?

This question comes up frequently: At what specific heart scan score should a heart catheterization be performed? In other words, is there a specific cut-off that automatically triggers a need for catheterization?

In my view, there is no such score. We can't say, for instance, that everybody with a score above 1000 should have a catheterization. It is true that the higher your score, the greater the likelihood of a plaque blocking flow. A score of 1000 carries an approximately 25-30% likelihood of reduced blood flow sufficient to consider a stent or bypass. This can nearly always be settled with a stress test. Recall that, despite their pitfalls for uncovering hidden heart disease in the first place, stress tests are useful as gauges of coronary blood flow.

But even a score of 1000 carries a 70-75% likelihood that a procedure will not be necesary. This is too high to justify doing heart catheterizations willy-nilly.

Unfortunately, some my colleagues will say that any heart scan score justifies a heart cath. I believe this is absolutely, unquestionably, and inexcusably wrong. More often than not, this attitude is borne out of ignorance, laziness, or a desire for profit.

Does every lump or bump justify surgery, radiation, and chemotherapy on the chance it could represent cancer? Of course not. There is indeed a time and place for these things, but judgment is involved.

In my view, no heart scan score should autmatically prompt a major heart procedure like heart catheterization in a person without symptoms.

Niacin makes NY Times

In the wake of the crash and burn of Pfizer's torcetrapib, media attention has turned up the miracles of . . .good old niacin. The NY Times carried a well-written report on niacin in its recent report, An Old Cholesterol Remedy Is New Again.


(Read the entire report at http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/23/health/23consume.html?em&ex=1169701200&en=670fa84ae2ea648c&ei=5087%0A)

Among their comments:

...torcetrapib worked primarily by increasing HDL, or good cholesterol. Among other functions, HDL carries dangerous forms of cholesterol from artery walls to the liver for excretion. The process, called reverse cholesterol transport, is thought to be crucial to preventing clogged arteries.

Many scientists still believe that a statin combined with a drug that raises HDL would mark a significant advance in the treatment of heart disease. But for patients now at high risk of heart attack or stroke, the news is better than it sounds. An effective HDL booster already exists.

It is niacin, the ordinary B vitamin.

In its therapeutic form, nicotinic acid, niacin can increase HDL as much as 35 percent when taken in high doses, usually about 2,000 milligrams per day. It also lowers LDL, though not as sharply as statins do, and it has been shown to reduce serum levels of artery-clogging triglycerides as much as 50 percent. Its principal side effect is an irritating flush caused by the vitamin’s dilation of blood vessels.

Despite its effectiveness, niacin has been the ugly duckling of heart medications, an old remedy that few scientists cared to examine. But that seems likely to change.

“There’s a great unfilled need for something that raises HDL,” said Dr. Steven E. Nissen, a cardiologist at the Cleveland Clinic and president of the American College of Cardiology. “Right now, in the wake of the failure of torcetrapib, niacin is really it. Nothing else available is that effective.”

In 1975, long before statins, a landmark study of 8,341 men who had suffered heart attacks found that niacin was the only treatment among five tested that prevented second heart attacks. Compared with men on placebos, those on niacin had a 26 percent reduction in heart attacks and a 27 percent reduction in strokes. Fifteen years later, the mortality rate among the men on niacin was 11 percent lower than among those who had received placebos.

'Here you have a drug that was about as effective as the early statins, and it just never caught on,' said Dr. B. Greg Brown, professor of medicine at the University of Washington in Seattle. 'It’s a mystery to me. But if you’re a drug company, I guess you can’t make money on a vitamin.'



Of course, you and I don't have to wait for the media to endorse something. I'm nonetheless thrilled that this hugely helpful vitamin is gaining greater recognition. My preferred form nowadays is over-the-counter SloNiacin (Upsher Smith). Weve seen no liver side-effects and a minimal quantity of flushing. It's also reasonably priced, $13.99 for 100 tablets of 500 mg at Walgreen's. That's a lot cheaper than prescription Niaspan at $130 for 60 tablets.

Perhaps the notoriety will cut back on the silly responses from some physicians that I still hear about from patients: "My doctor said to stop the niacin because it's going to destroy my liver."

Wheat: the nicotine of food

Yes, we know that wheat contributes to creating small LDL, drops HDL, raises triglycerides, and VLDL. We also know it indirectly slows the clearance of after-eating fats from the blood (curious, I know). Wheat products also increase inflammation (C-reactive protein), raise blood sugar, and contribute tremendously to diabetes.

What many people don't know is that wheat products also have an addictive quality: have one donut and you want another. It's true for bread, breakfast cereals, pretzels, cookies, etc. How many times have you had just one Oreo cookie?

Curiously, elimination of wheat products, unlike elimination of nicotine, usually causes the cravings to disappear. In other words, if you stop smoking cigarettes, the desire to smoke doesn't go away. With wheat products, the often overwhelming desire for more wheat products often just goes away.

But most people are simply unable to dramatically reduce or eliminate wheat products from their daily diet and therefore struggle each and every day with excessive cravings for bagels, donuts, cookies, breads, etc.

Try this useful experiment: Eliminate wheat products for a month and see what happens. Most people drop blood pressure, lose the tummy excess, feel more alert, see a drop in blood sugar, experience improvements in lipoproteins, and regain control over appetite.

Good time for a heart attack?

Man Has Heart Attack At Right Place, Right Time

If Robert Ricard had picked the wrong restaurant for lunch, he might have died.

The 71-year-old Michigan man suffered a heart attack shortly after ordering a glass of wine with friends at Bentley's Roadhouse on Saturday.

Luckily, a disaster medical team was sitting nearby.



A TV station in Michigan reported the above story. You've heard these "if it wasn't for ___, so and so would have died" stories. They're reported in all cities at one time or another.

What amazes me about these common local stories is that they're accepted at all. The question that comes to my mind is "Why couldn't the heart attack have been averted in the first place?" Early identification then, as close as humanly possible, elimination of risk would have been a preferable path.

Of course, it may not be the role of the media to cast judgement on why and how the entire episode could have been completely prevented from occurring. But you shouldn't fall into the same trap of complacency. We cannot expect others to save us when the "big one" hits. Your best assurance is to never have one in the first place.

How good is the South Beach Diet?

I'm a fan of the South Beach Diet.

Though it is billed as a program for weight loss (for which it is very effective), it is really a program for health. The basic approach of South Beach involves:

Eat good fats — Choose good fats from olive oil, canola oil, peanut oil, flaxseed oil, walnut oil, avocados, nuts, and fish. Omega-3 (fish oil) supplements are also fine.


Eat good carbs — Good carbs include high-fiber, nutrient-dense fruits, vegetables, legumes, and whole grains.

Eat lean protein — Good sources include eggs, low-fat dairy, nuts, seeds, legumes, skinless white-meat poultry, fish, shellfish, lean cuts of meat, and vegetarian options such as tofu.

(From The South Beach Diet, Dr. Arthur Agatston)


There's no doubt that South Beach can yield dramatic weight loss. In my experience, the success in weight loss depends on 1) how unhealthy your diet was in the first place, and 2) how long you can stick to Phase I, the inital phase during which weight loss is most dramatic. Some people have to periodically cycle back to Phase I to break a "plateau" or to lose faster.

But South Beach is also healthy. It has all the ingredients of a healthy eating program: Low saturated and hydrogenated fats, rich in monounsaturated fats, high fiber, low- to moderate- glycemic index, vegetables and fruits, lean proteins.

The Atkins' diet, in contrast, while very effective for weiglht loss, is an unhealthy process. I've seen lots of bladder infections, constipation, skin rashes, and kidney stones. That's just in the short term. If you stick to the "induction phase" (the no carbohydrate, low fiber, indiscriminate fat initial phase) for an extended period, I suspect that other adverse internal phenemena also develop that might not show for years, like cancer. But--it does work for weight loss!

South Beach's Phase I is also carbohydrate restricted, but steers you towards healthier foods, such as healthy oils from olive and canola, raw or dry roasted nuts, and lean proteins and vegetables.

What really makes South Beach special, however, are its clever recipes. Dr. Arthur Agatston (the author) involved chefs from the restaurants in the South Beach area of Miami to help create healthy yet delicious recipes. We've tried many of them and, while they are different from traditional fare, are delicious and satisfying for the most part.

Criticisms? None, really. But, when my patients choose South Beach (which I often encourage), I often have to impress on them that the Track Your Plaque program is not about weight loss. It is about seizing control of a potentially life-threatening disease. It is a far more important goal with greater implications. Weight loss is just one aspect of a coronary plaque control effort. For this reason, we sometimes have to make changes in the South Beach program to allow for correction of specific lipoprotein patterns.

The most common modification is in people with small LDL particles. This pattern often does indeed respond to weight loss and/or niacin. However, it occasionally persists despite these efforts. We then will ask the patient to continue to restrict the re-introduction of wheat products, though it is allowed after Phase I in South Beach. In other words, for this specific and sometimes difficult to control lipoprotein pattern, a spedific modification of the off-the-shelf South Beach program is sometimes necessary. Of course, the diet is created to suit everybody. Lipoprotein analysis permits detailed insight into your patterns and it's only to be expected that specific modifications might be needed.

But, as written, you can do quite well in your plaque control program by sticking to South Beach.
Extreme carbohydrate intolerance

Extreme carbohydrate intolerance

Here's an interesting example of what you might call "extreme carbohydrate intolerance."

May is a 44-year woman who has now had her 7th stent placed in her coronary arteries. She lives on a diet dominated by breads, breakfast cereals, muffins, rice, corn products, along with some real foods.

Her conventional lipid panel and other lab values:

Total cholesterol 346 mg/dl
Triglycerides: 877 mg/dl
HDL cholesterol: 22 mg/dl
LDL cholesterol: incalculable
(Recall that LDL cholesterol is usually a calculated, not a measured value. The excessively high triglycerides make the standard calculation invalid--more invalid than usual.)

Fasting blood glucose: 210 mg/dl
HbA1c (a reflection of previous 60-90 days average glucose): 7.2% (desirable 4.5% or less)
ALT (a "liver enzyme"): 438 (about five-fold normal)


At 5 ft even and 138 lbs (BMI 27.0), May appears small. But the modest excess weight is all concentrated in her abdomen, i.e., in visceral fat.

By lipoprotein analysis via NMR (Liposcience), May's LDL particle number was 2912 nmol/L, or what I would call a "true" LDL of 291 mg/dl. (Drop the last digit.) Of the 2912 nmol/L LDL particles, 2678 nmol/L, or 92%, were small.

The bad news: This pattern of extremely high triglycerides, extremely high LDL particle number, low HDL, predominant small LDL, and diabetes poses high-risk for heart disease--no surprise. It earned her 7 stents so far. (Unfortunately, she has made no effort whatsoever to correct these patterns, despite repeated advice to do so.)

The good news: This collection is wonderfully responsive to diet. LDL particle number, small LDL, triglycerides, blood glucose, and HbA1c drop dramatically, while HDL increases. Heart disease will at least slow, if not stop.

It's amazing how far off human metabolism can go while indulging in carbohydrates, particularly a genetically carbohydrate-intolerance person. (Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if May's diet, as bad as it seems to you and me, still fits within the dictates of the USDA food pyramid.) The crucial step in diet to correct this smorgasbord of disaster is elimination of carbohydrates, especially that from wheat, cornstarch, and sugars.

Comments (26) -

  • john

    8/24/2010 9:57:22 PM |

    Wow, these numbers are wild.  It'd be great to see where they are in six months, assuming a change in diet.

  • Tuck

    8/24/2010 10:03:12 PM |

    Did you see the WSJ article today?

    "Giving Up Gluten to Lose Weight? Not So Fast"

    The last sentence is priceless:

    “Also, for dieters, going back to gluten after avoiding it can lead to stomach cramps, bloating, diarrhea and other symptoms, at least temporarily.”

    If an egg had that effect on you, they'd do a recall.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703846604575447413874799110.html

  • qualia

    8/24/2010 10:59:36 PM |

    great post! would be cool if you could pipe the links to your posts into your twitter account as well (there are online services), so that it can easier be forwarded by followers of you.

  • Anonymous

    8/24/2010 11:06:26 PM |

    The WSJ should give up the diet reporting and stick to what they (supposedly) know - financial news.  

    There's giving up gluten and then there's giving up gluten but maintaining a high starch alternative grain  GF diet.   Of course replacing one starch with another won't result in weight loss if one is overweight.  It's even possible to gain weight on such a GF diet.    

    Are people really silly enough to take diet advice from "creaky bones" Gwenyth Paltrow?

  • dan

    8/25/2010 1:01:04 AM |

    I watched the WSJ video.  It wasn't bad.  It was mainly ridiculing "gluten-free" imitation products.  The lady recommended eating natural foods that are gluten free.

  • Tommy

    8/25/2010 1:50:03 AM |

    I am completely baffled by some of the lipid panel numbers I see. She had 7 stents put in but there are many out there seemingly with no problems, with high numbers like that. Meanwhile I have eaten right and exercised seriously for the last 30 years, have never been overweight, always been in shape, had good lipid panel results but suffered a heart attack last year anyway. I just had bloodwork shortly before the attack and once again (as had been the case for years) I was told I was in perfect health. My triglycerides were good as was my CRP and my complete lipid panel. Actually any test I took ever, always produced good results. Even after my heart attack they couldn't get my heart rate up high enough in my stress test unless I ran longer and at the steepest incline. I'm still in great shape.....but I had a heart attack.  I never had a belly or bulge and still don't. 5'10" 169 lbs.  Go  figure.

  • 42

    8/25/2010 4:28:11 AM |

    My results after eight months: http://paleohacks.com/questions/9124/first-post-paleo-blood-work-results

    After 8 months and -50lbs  I can safely say that the std American flour/sugar diet is complete bullshit.

  • Lori Miller

    8/25/2010 4:36:29 AM |

    I bet that poor woman has forgotten what it's like to feel good. She'll surely feel better with an improved diet. I wish her the best.

    Re: WSJ article, I got a stomach ache that lasted two days the last time I ate a chocolate chip cookie made of wheat flour. That's some kind of "temporarily"!

  • Anonymous

    8/25/2010 5:58:01 AM |

    Lipids after two years of high-fat, moderate-protein, very low-carb eating:
    Total Cholesterol: 220, Triglycerides: 69,
    HDL: 98,
    LDL: 108.
    I think I'll carry on that way.

  • Anonymous

    8/25/2010 6:19:42 AM |

    After 7 stents and she still refuses to change her eating habits? I think that got my attention more than anything else in your report of this patient. I guess I am baffled on why people do not take charge of their health especially when expert advice is offered on a "silver platter".

  • Derek

    8/25/2010 2:11:31 PM |

    Tommy,

    Sorry to hear that.  I guess it goes to show nothing is a guarantee.  No matter what we do, the chance is always there.

  • Jonathan

    8/25/2010 3:39:40 PM |

    Tommy, your case only goes to prove that cholesterol doesn't cause heart attacks.  
    There is something else causing CVD.
    Inflammation from Poly fat and grains seem the most plausible to me.

  • Tommy

    8/25/2010 4:04:49 PM |

    "Tommy, your case only goes to prove that cholesterol doesn't cause heart attacks.
    There is something else causing CVD.
    Inflammation from Poly fat and grains seem the most plausible to me."


    I had my CRP checked and it was below 4 just before my HA. After taking care of myself for the last 30 years and always doing well in every aspect I really felt backed against the wall afterward. My numbers are very low now (pretty close to 60's across the board) but all of this is more complexed than just numbers.

  • Dr. William Davis

    8/25/2010 5:05:28 PM |

    Hi, Tuck--

    That's great!

    It reminds me of the USDA's request for public commentary on the food pyramid revision, prefaced by "We don't understand why, after we tell people to increase consumption of whole grains, they keep on gaining weight and becoming diabetic."

  • Dr. William Davis

    8/25/2010 5:07:20 PM |

    42--

    Well said!

  • Jonathan

    8/25/2010 5:20:01 PM |

    "eating right" and "taking care of myself" only tells me you were healthy by your standards or by the governments standards.  Most of the people I hear say "I eat healthy" means they eat lower fat but mostly trans fat when they do.

    There has to be something causing your problem.  I would suspect what ever makes you extra hungry would be a possible cause.  Maybe it's too low cholesterol.  Agreed; very complicated.  Maybe it's just genetics.  Maybe there's something in the past 30 years that was not right but what?  A lot of maybes there.  Have you had a calcium score?

  • David

    8/25/2010 7:46:48 PM |

    Tommy-

    Do you have Lipoprotein(a)? You sound to me like a textbook Lp(a) case. Better get it checked and address it.

  • Tommy

    8/25/2010 8:41:00 PM |

    Trans fat? nooooooooo...lol.
    No refined crap, no processed anything. Damn...I don't even eat ketchup(sugar)!! I consider AMA snobish about food intake. I had a conversation with a "heart healthy" dietitian from the hospital after my heart attack and she wanted me to have less than 50 g of fat per day (impossible). I told her I go by percentages of total calories consumed and explained it to her. She had no clue and didn't understand it in simplest terms. "Ok what if I wanted to consume more fat and just added non fat calories to my total intake....that would lower my percentage right? Uhhh....what? lol

    @ David
    I am thinking I may be LP(a) and I have been taking extra Vitamin D as well as a high dose of fish oil. Next cardiologist visit I will discuss Niacin as well as pattern B possibilities.

  • David

    8/26/2010 7:41:39 AM |

    Tommy, what about stress and sleep?  Stress is a killer...

  • Tommy

    8/26/2010 12:42:21 PM |

    David, that is my suspicion. It's complicated because a lot of things happened at once at that time. Through July and August I was under stress from problems at work combined with personal family issues. In September i went on a cruise an ate up a storm as well as drank more than normal gaining 14 lbs. (my prior good blood labs gave me confidence ..ha ha ha.) Then I came home, worked out hard and lost all the weight in a week. Then my grand daughter got sick and I was very stressed out about it while my work issues were still mounting. In October I had an argument in the morning before leaving work (I had been switched to an overnight shift)and was stewing when I went to sleep. I woke up a few hours later having a heart attack. The rest is history.

  • Ned Kock

    8/26/2010 2:50:39 PM |

    Hi Dr. Davis.

    These numbers are awful, but I think a point must be stressed regarding natural vs. industrial carbohydrate-rich foods. These numbers are not typical for normoglycemic folks who eat natural carbohydrate-rich foods.

    Avoiding natural carbohydrate-rich foods in the absence of compromised glucose metabolism is unnecessary. Those foods do not “tire” the pancreas significantly more than protein-rich foods do.

    Protein elicits an insulin response that is comparable to that of natural carbohydrate-rich foods, on a gram-adjusted basis (but significantly lower than that of refined carbohydrate-rich foods, like doughnuts and bagels).

    http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com/2010/04/insulin-responses-to-foods-rich-in.html

    And nobody can live without protein. It is an essential nutrient. Usually protein does not lead to a measurable glucose response because glucagon is secreted together with insulin in response to ingestion of protein, preventing hypoglycemia.

  • Anonymous

    8/26/2010 10:33:29 PM |

    I definitely get the whole low-carb thing, but I think you always use the extreme cases to make your point.  Even dietitians would not recommend that much starch.  In fact, many of the "top" dietitians limit starch quite drastically in their meal plans.  They are not as ignorant as you think.  However, because they have clinical experience (which I know you have too), they know that draconian, restrictive diets do not work.  Therefore, they work starches in the diet a bit, so people don't feel "deprived."  Still they choose "better" starch options like beans (OMG LECTINS!!!).

    I do not believe for one second that the majority of people claiming to be eating according to the USDA guidelines are doing so within the correct caloric guidelines.  They are eating far too much and making terrible choices for starches to boot.  Portion control is tough obviously.  I think people who cannot master it may find low-carb useful because they eliminate starches/sugars outright and don't have to worry about serving sizes.  Plus, ketosis gives them a metabolic advantage allowing them to consume more calories and still lose weight.  It definitely is not an end all solution though.

  • Anonymous

    8/26/2010 10:37:29 PM |

    Also, they don't bad mouth carbs in the press because people being people would start avoiding things like vegetables.

    There is nothing inherently wrong with carbs.  We just have to eat them within reason.  Just like calcium for example.  Too much calcium is linked to heart attacks and prostate cancer.  But in moderate amounts, it is helpful.

  • stop smoking help

    8/27/2010 3:47:04 AM |

    Okay, I went my two weeks without wheat carbs. My results are purely non-scientific, but here goes. I lost 4 pounds, down to 156. I wasn't hungry at all. I didn't have any bread cravings like I thought I would. But I did have a hard time sleeping, for whatever reason.

    After my two weeks I had angel hair pasta and a hamburger on a wheat roll. My stomach was slightly upset for a couple of days once I started eating wheat carbs again - probably just a coincidence though.

    So I proved I could do it and I proved to myself that I wouldn't starve or go crazy without my bread. So, I think I'll be more careful about the wheat I put into my system. On the other hand, it looks like May needs to correct things and do it sooner than later.

  • scall0way

    8/29/2010 7:19:55 PM |

    Just goes to show ya. I'd *love* to weigh what Mary weighs - but it seems there is more involved that that. I just had an NMR test recently myself. Total LDL particle count was 2018. My doctor is freaked and says it's a horrible number. Every website I consult says it's a horrible number -though my small LDL is 212, only 10.6% of the total. But all the websites I consult say the total number is far more a risk factor than paticle size.

    But what were the HDL and triglycerides of the people with high particle counts. High like Mary's? My own HDL (measured just last week) is 66 and my triglycerides 49.

    But how do you get the particle number down? I've already been low-carb for four years, gluten-free for 18 months, avoid all sugars, take D3, magenesium, K2, 1500 mg niacin.

    Might it go down if I can get my thyroid normalized? That's one issue I'm still trying to work through with my doctor. Sheesh, the older I get the harder it gets. So many things to consider I sometimes wonder how anyone manages to stay alive for a few weeks - let alone many years for most of us.

  • Tommy

    8/30/2010 1:54:37 PM |

    So for people with existing coronary artery issues and Small particle LDL is it true that increasing fat (especially saturated fat) only makes this worse? If you go low carb you need to also be low fat?
    I read that "low fat" is bad for Pattern A but beneficial to pattern B.

    Dr. Davis?

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